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If liqutaty will sucked out from the markets then first suffering high risk assets.
Such us BTC.  We can expect  at least 2 major btc crashes as smart heavy money cant sell with maximum ammount of coins with one shot.
Btc stay below 50k it shows weakness and no institional buy orders now above 50k.

It will dump hard soon.

Nahh. The asset classes will melt together on chain and carry each other.

Your are a fudster that want to buy your sold shit bag back cheaper.

What you could think about is if there is any backing on next choice. The DAI.

BTW. Big scandale!: Carbon shares is a scam. It's like buying cars to keep them of the road.

Cheers. Neighbors dog is talking now..

Everything in financial world is scam the question is can identify how.?
As long as u dont find out its not scam...lol.
But yeahh markets will come down like stone from the sky soon its how it is.

Ah, Bitcoin/market doomsayers. So you're one of those guys that likes to call crashes. Alright. Go short it, then show us; If you're actually that confident.

Nah, it's only your assumption to determine all things related with financial is scam. I'd say it's really pure from the market, but few whales involved in such manipulations.

There're some news El Salvador's bought another dip on $48K, some institutional might bought the dip too... we just don't know as long as they didn't made any announcement. Yet even they announce it, we still don't know how reliable his claim until he sign a messages.

If you think you need to buy Bitcoin when an institutional bought it, I don't think that's good... probably you already missed the dip.

More whales bought dips like Micro Strategy and Saylor. El Salvador is just a new whale that joined the market recent months. Institutional money are smart money but their power and capital don't reflect instantly on price. At least they can help to calm down market participants and help them to be less fearful.

However, it can take months for their investment to show on price. Like in 2020, we saw capitulation and long accumulation but suddenly Bitcoin broke $20k very fastly and after that, the rest is history with new all time high to about $60k.

The latest rise to $69k is unsustainable because lack of volume. We will have a more sustainable and bigger growth when volume comes. Retail investors did not join much in the latest peak around $69k. It is not a signal of mania phase and I believe we will see it in 2020. In first or second quarter

Yes a >10x rise in one year from $3k to $50k is a show of weakness. An average of 40% rise per month is another indication of weakness and lack of buy orders. :D

P.S. I wish moderators took a stronger stance against trolling on bitcointalk.

Did the market has already been down due to the pandemic and its new variant? How many times we're going to see it down and you're going to highlight that a hard dump will come soon? At least for me, I'm aware that the market won't stay at the top for long and it has to correct for it to come back stronger again. And talking about the sky, where was the market last year? With just a very short span of time like a year, where it has gone through already?

This is what bears want to see. Bulls are looking exhausted and will likely give up $40K support briefly unless a new wave of retail investors come in. All of that probably won't matter as BTC reaches new ATH next year. Let's watch how long it consolidates before that happens.


What's with the title? Why involve Fed?

Look at some stocks like Tesla or Apple, do their valuations makes sense even? They got crazy high PE ratios and it’s pretty much a repeat of the dot com bubble where stocks like Microsoft crashed and took like 20 years to revisit their old ATH, even though the company was still growing each and every year after the dot com crisis.

Now it’s no different. So just because someone seems so expensive doesn’t mean it won’t stop going up or that it will crash. So with Bitcoin. These markets are very difficult to predict.

You are presuming too much of this doomsday of crypto market but the institutions are competing in grabbing more BTC. They don't even care whether the price will be more than $50K so if the price just goes down a little more, they are still buying like Mike Saylor. They shouldn't wait for the price to dip lower or the wealthiest will just grab those BTC from them. If they wait for the price to go below $40k for instance, they may have few BTC to grab while the others bought them for a high price yet massive.

On the contrary, if you are a smart investors and looking for a good class assets to hold for long term then bitcoin is the best investment for this whales and institutional investors isn't it?

The thing is that everyone is afraid of it's volatility and they didn't really know how to work and get the best out of it. So bitcoin might be below $50k, but maybe in the next couple of years it could be $200k for all we know.

I think you could be right that investors are not waiting for dip but they are buying every little correction. Today price refuse to drop and now it began to appreciate from the little dip in the morning today. The price looks bullish but risky to rely on maybe this is going to be a turn around for more highs to be reached. I think with the bear not taking charge by this time of the year, the first week of next month can be really volatile.

Bitcoin's price undergoing a pullback is not in any way a sign of weakness. Any market, whether the new crypto market or the traditional stock market, undergoes pullback every now and then. You cannot name any market that shows nothing but appreciation or rising prices. That is not happening anywhere. Every market involves buying season and selling season, bear season and bull season, positive and negative sentiment or outlook, etc.

Don't expect magic to happen over night with bitcoin at below $50k. Bitcoin is undergoing correction and this is the end of the year, so it has a bear record too but as to dumping, I don't know the price you are thinking it will drop to but there are no sign yet for heavy dump despite the end rounding off. I believe buyers are keeping the rally on.

Maybe it's a sign of weakness, however, if we are, how come the price is still above $40k?

Of course, a bear market could happen anytime, but at this point the market is still trying to rally and goes above $50k at least at the end of the year.

And we have hit not just one but two all time high already at $68k and yet there's no massive dumping, we didn't experience a 50% dump from that price.

Personally I prefer it this way, this forum was created by satoshi and as such I think it holds historic significance, so I think in the future people will read this forum and what was posted here in the same way that an archaeologist looks for the truth at the ruins of the past, and they will see that just as there we people that were unshakable on their belief that bitcoin will become successful there were also people that used their time to call for a crash, so by deleting that stuff we will be denying future generations to see how bitcoin was actually seen by the people of our generation.

bitcoin always have strong support mate so if it continually falling it means someone wants to see a very low price especially whales , because you know if its normal situation bitcoin will always respect the supply zone. But if there's a situation that bitcoin rapidly decrease it means there are someone wants to see bitcoin at the very low value. Wherein it's either whales or weak hands that have big contribution in the market. Just saying.

The dump is nothing new, I don't care about dump as it could happen anytime and even if it will dump, bitcoin will still recover and surprise us. What I'm interested are the good news that will make bitcoin pump sooner or later, a dump of bitcoin does not panic an investor who witnessed the journey of bitcoin from its early stage.

I agree that there will be people looking back in time and see different stuff. We have seen for example a lot of people going back into twitter and see what others wrote 10 years ago, facebook was in use 10 years ago as well and was a very "trendy" thing but it is not right now so people usually do not look back on that, whereas twitter is still used and was trendy 10 years ago and you can find others tweets which look cringy.

We are seeing the same thing unfolding before our eyes right now, I mean that 10k pizza thing is still a laughing reason, about 50+ million spent on two large pizzas right? That's basically what will happen with messages like this. A person saying "bitcoin shows weakness" when it reached from under 4k at march 2020 to 64k at April 2021, to 68k at October 2021, and nowadays around 50k.

And you think that markets haven't anticipated the tapering?

The Feds tapering will probably have a small hit on BTC in the short run, but in the long run, it's going to be a blip.

BTC markets are much more driven in the long run by fundamentals than these macro variables that can change at any moment.

There is a difference between trolling and wrong speculation. In fact I have given merit to some speculation that I don't even agree with like this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5377190.0) but if you look at OP's post history you can clearly see that they are just spamming the forum with nonsense every day and I assure you that OP will disappear in a little while when price starts rising up again.

You can say whatever you want, it's your own belief and I will not think that you are only causing FUD as it's normal to see some bullish and bearish prediction. For us who understands the market trends and condition, it's not a big deal as we can always take opportunity to buy the dip and profit from it once the market recovers again.

The current situation looks bearish, but let's see how bitcoin will behave going forward.

I'm totally in agreement with you, I find myself more and more giving merits to people either correcting me or showing a bit of daring in going against the grain -- this forum is what it is, for me, because of its plurality and I'd like to help keep it that way.

But I'm afraid this guy isn't even a troll, but a shitposter. 4 days before OP he was talking about BTC above $120k (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5376581.msg58697915#msg58697915). That's just the random post I decided to look at because he got his sole merit from there.

There is a good and large difference between a spammer and a shitposter. A spammer usually wants to earn merit and wants to get attention, if you want that then you need to actually write something that people will read and talk about. Sure it could be a spam, but at the end of the it needs to be a good spam to get attention, sometimes they do it badly but the intention is always the same.

Shitposter like OP on the other hand do not care about people, they do not care about anyone else, they just care about how they are having fun by bothering other people, which gathers some hate of course and they love that for some reason.

So spammers are not really good with me, but at least understandable, like you guys said they at least contribute to a discussion. Whereas shitposters like OP needs to be gone, and it is very hard to get them banned in bitcointalk, rarely ever successfully gone, they just come back.

There is no such event occurring, all the FED said they as in previous years indicate they will slow down the dilution of Dollar value.   This isnt close to a hard money policy that would seriously alter the course of prices in various commodities.
They must first reduce all QE purchase, actually bring QE to a full stop then they must start to reverse QE and now sell all the market assets they purchased.   Then eventually when trillions have reversed course they will raise rates from abnormally low back to average.

That is a long course of action to take and they only just started to slow the purchasing.   At this point, I dont think QE has any way not to continue forever because it has already caused so much damage they dare not alter it and show as much.    Japan has operated QE programs since the early 90's never being able to reverse or return to normal monetary policy.