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Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: durrrr on March 26, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
i have the same thoughts. if i go out into the woods to live off the grid society wouldnt let this happen and id most  likely break laws some how. i believe that if we live inside of the USA we are not allowed to opt out of society and all of its bullshit. we just have to live.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: b!z on March 27, 2014, 03:49:45 AM
 become a hermit.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: durrrr on March 27, 2014, 03:54:32 AM
become a hermit.

you would still be involved with society . its impossible to completly opt out and be off the grid. sometime your gonna dela with society and you will always have to follow laws.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: b!z on March 27, 2014, 03:55:34 AM
Bitcointalk is part of society :-)


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: dotcom on March 27, 2014, 04:33:17 AM
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Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?

become a hermit.

^ this

become a hermit.

you would still be involved with society . its impossible to completly opt out and be off the grid. sometime your gonna dela with society and you will always have to follow laws.

Where do you live? There's tons of backcountry in the U.S. where people live off-grid. Shit there's even legally-protected land set aside for communities that live different ways of life. Ofcourse, being a hermit, you'll never have any real protection from other citizens (or from the government for that matter).


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Tonka Branded Truck on March 27, 2014, 05:19:10 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: counter on March 27, 2014, 05:27:43 AM
I don't think so... Some dude just got shot dead for camping in the middle of nowhere.  They threw a concussion grenade at him after the called him over to talk and when he ran they shot him dead.  Seems like you will pay taxes till death or be shot dead in the middle of nowhere for no reason if you don't.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Lauda on March 27, 2014, 05:45:53 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)
Wouldn't you like that?


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 27, 2014, 05:50:14 AM
Seasteading is really your only option.  Prohibitively expensive but maybe in a couple decades (or centuries) material science will advance enough to make it a reality.  Cryptocurrency would be a perfect extra-national currency for extra-national people.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: kuroman on March 27, 2014, 05:54:28 AM
It's possible, non the less it will require some dedication and it will be hard in the begining, but once you get into it, it's not possible especially if you decide to live in the country side in a remoted area


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: freedomno1 on March 27, 2014, 05:56:58 AM
The easiest way to opt out of society is to overcome society
Basically stop being a worker(Slave) and be one of the elite fat cats by making a lot of money

Then society works for you and you don't need to partake in society itself but just be a parasite that feeds it.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Tonka Branded Truck on March 27, 2014, 05:59:05 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)
Wouldn't you like that?

I wouldn't do that. I would miss my job, my friends, my family and the sedentary life of the city.  :)


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: kuroman on March 27, 2014, 06:04:40 AM
opting out of society doesn't mean opting out of any possible contact with familly and friends, it's just that you don't follow everything and every trend that is out, you are not connected with your various devices severals hours a day, and you are not being flooded with different kinds of porpaganda every day and every second


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 27, 2014, 06:10:51 AM
~9 months a year (not the summer) you can live in 'anarchist' Slab City.
Life Off the Grid in Slab City  (short video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPmT7S4zHE


EDIT:
Freedom does not always == First class/top shelf or even "comfortable".


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: EndlessWin on March 27, 2014, 06:13:15 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)
the become 'doctor doom' and try to conquer the world. if something go south just say 'you can't reach me it's my own country you have no jurisdiction here' ;D


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: boumalo on March 27, 2014, 06:13:52 AM
Doing a retreat could be an effective way to opt out of society, a retreat in Tibe.t for exemple

If you change your nationality you basically opt out of a country for an other one and you can just forget your old life if you didn't do something illegal before you left


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: counter on March 27, 2014, 09:02:02 AM
I thought opting out of society was meant literally so I pictured someone becoming a hermit of sorts.  Maybe I misunderstood either way maybe you could go to the rainforest, jungles or desert and start fresh there some place that is very hard to survive unless you have the knowledge to do so...  That way you can pretty much be assured you will be left alone.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Lauda on March 27, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
I wouldn't do that. I would miss my job, my friends, my family and the sedentary life of the city.  :)
You can travel and visit them?


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 28, 2014, 12:38:36 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)
Wouldn't you like that?

I wouldn't do that. I would miss my job, my friends, my family and the sedentary life of the city.  :)

If WW3 comes to your city your "sedentary life" is going to change.
good luck.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: freedomno1 on March 28, 2014, 01:02:14 AM
Create your own country like Sealand or the Principality of Hutt River. And you will the king in your own new kingdom.  :)
Wouldn't you like that?

I wouldn't do that. I would miss my job, my friends, my family and the sedentary life of the city.  :)

If WW3 comes to your city your "sedentary life" is going to change.
good luck.

So true although I wonder will they nuke the mountain ranges or is it safer to stay in the city during WWIII

Or perhaps live in the ocean on a nice boat until it gets found lol.

(Opt out of society on a boat in International Waters lol)


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Fior Sirtheoir on March 28, 2014, 01:46:05 AM
The closest thing you will come to is becoming a World Citizen and expatriating.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: boumalo on March 28, 2014, 02:56:26 AM
The closest thing you will come to is becoming a World Citizen and expatriating.

A world citizen? Is that a real thing?

I believe in voting with your feet; you can go to a freer society where the state desn't control the whole system that much


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: dank on March 28, 2014, 02:59:44 AM
become a hermit.

you would still be involved with society . its impossible to completly opt out and be off the grid. sometime your gonna dela with society and you will always have to follow laws.

Stare into the sun and harvest psychedelic mushrooms for energy.  All you need is love.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: duhosnyul on March 28, 2014, 07:28:29 AM
Just transfer to another country. All governments are not the same. I hunt birds, wild chicken, wild animals, fish in the rivers and seas I do not need a license for that lol. Only big fishing company needs a license. I don't pay tax and I don't expect to get services my government in return.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: duhosnyul on March 28, 2014, 07:57:16 AM
You could be this guy

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/01/07/3408086/mick-dodge-rain-forest-dweller.html

or like this guy  ;D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/amou-haji-iran-hasnt-bathed-60-years_n_4602936.html


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: boumalo on March 28, 2014, 10:24:41 AM
You could be this guy

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/01/07/3408086/mick-dodge-rain-forest-dweller.html

or like this guy  ;D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/amou-haji-iran-hasnt-bathed-60-years_n_4602936.html

That was entertaining, I don't want to know the smell of the ira.nian one

Mick Dodge seems not to stay in the forest for the winter : "he enjoys a warm cabin and spending time with a lady friend."


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: GigaCoin on March 28, 2014, 01:57:27 PM
~9 months a year (not the summer) you can live in 'anarchist' Slab City.
Life Off the Grid in Slab City  (short video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPmT7S4zHE


EDIT:
Freedom does not always == First class/top shelf or even "comfortable".


What a hell hole


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: zolace on March 28, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
Governments want to control even the air we breath,is hard this days to be outside society,if you try to do that you will be seen like a freak .But there are some parts of world were the government,tax and civilization didn't rich yet ; look at the amazonian tribes,or the one from Africa .So if you don't want to leave in “a society” you can go there.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: b!z on March 28, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
Governments want to control even the air we breath,is hard this days to be outside society,if you try to do that you will be seen like a freak .But there are some parts of world were the government,tax and civilization didn't rich yet ; look at the amazonian tribes,or the one from Africa .So if you don't want to leave in “a society” you can go there.

b-bu-but a tribe is a society too!


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: duhosnyul on March 28, 2014, 03:20:50 PM
Governments want to control even the air we breath,is hard this days to be outside society,if you try to do that you will be seen like a freak .But there are some parts of world were the government,tax and civilization didn't rich yet ; look at the amazonian tribes,or the one from Africa .So if you don't want to leave in “a society” you can go there.

b-bu-but a tribe is a society too!

He had no other choice but to become a hermit.  :)


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 28, 2014, 07:41:10 PM
Just transfer to another country. All governments are not the same. I hunt birds, wild chicken, wild animals, fish in the rivers and seas I do not need a license for that lol. Only big fishing company needs a license. I don't pay tax and I don't expect to get services my government in return.


What country are you in?
Sounds pretty good from here.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: TheFootMan on March 28, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
If you can befriend these people, you can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island


No social security number, no taxes, no government, no tv, no internet, no radio, only fishing, hunting, eating, reproducing and sleeping.

Here's someone trying to visit them, they're not greeted with love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQuYKYxdVI



Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: spazzdla on March 28, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
i have the same thoughts. if i go out into the woods to live off the grid society wouldnt let this happen and id most  likely break laws some how. i believe that if we live inside of the USA we are not allowed to opt out of society and all of its bullshit. we just have to live.

This, people go on about if you don't like it move.. move where?

Sorry slave.. slavers don't just let their slaves go.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: boumalo on March 28, 2014, 08:28:36 PM
i have the same thoughts. if i go out into the woods to live off the grid society wouldnt let this happen and id most  likely break laws some how. i believe that if we live inside of the USA we are not allowed to opt out of society and all of its bullshit. we just have to live.

This, people go on about if you don't like it move.. move where?

Sorry slave.. slavers don't just let their slaves go.

Some governments are not hurting their cows as much as others yet so sometimes it can be good to leave when your farmer tolerates that you do

If you can befriend these people, you can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island


No social security number, no taxes, no government, no tv, no internet, no radio, only fishing, hunting, eating, reproducing and sleeping.

Here's someone trying to visit them, they're not greeted with love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQuYKYxdVI



They sure didn't want to talk to them


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: cosmofly on March 28, 2014, 09:59:28 PM
Just transfer to another country. All governments are not the same. I hunt birds, wild chicken, wild animals, fish in the rivers and seas I do not need a license for that lol. Only big fishing company needs a license. I don't pay tax and I don't expect to get services my government in return.


where u live


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: tkbx on March 29, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
Even living of the grid with zero human contact, you still need some kind of human-created form of entertainment and education, meaning you're still being affected by society, even if not vice versa.


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: boumalo on March 29, 2014, 12:45:55 AM
Even living of the grid with zero human contact, you still need some kind of human-created form of entertainment and education, meaning you're still being affected by society, even if not vice versa.

You can imagine living only with your family or friends so you have human interaction but only with a small selected group

You could argue you are then in a small society, it makes me think of the movie The Beach..


Title: Re: Is it possible to OPT out of Society?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 29, 2014, 04:33:58 AM
If you can befriend these people, you can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island


No social security number, no taxes, no government, no tv, no internet, no radio, only fishing, hunting, eating, reproducing and sleeping.

Here's someone trying to visit them, they're not greeted with love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQuYKYxdVI




Officially, the island has been administered by India as part of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands Union Territory since 1947.[16] However, because there has never been any treaty with the people of the island, nor any record of a physical occupation whereby the people of the island have conceded sovereignty, the island exists in a curious state of limbo under established international law and can be seen as a sovereign entity under Indian protection. It is, therefore, one of the de facto autonomous regions of India.

So are they like cave men?
I'll look at the youtube now....


EDIT:
One of the many gifts include knives?
There's a great plan   :D