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Title: Playing with dices
Post by: vandread on December 18, 2021, 02:26:37 AM
Hi,

Let's get straight to the point.
We have all played the coinflip at some point in life. And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.


If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Poker Player on December 18, 2021, 04:11:56 AM
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.

I don't get it. And from what little I understand, I don't buy it either.

So, you use it a 150 bankroll today. And let's say you earn 25 Doge. You put them in a vault. The long term expectancy for the 150 Doge is to turn into 0. So, when you lose that money, what you do? Yo use another 150 Doge? You are playing a negative mathematical expectancy game, no matter what scripts you use, so the long term inevitable outcome is 0.

As for the Doge you put in a vault, you won't lose them as long as you don't bet with them but if you use them to gamble the same will happen: the long term mathematical expected outcome is 0.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Wexnident on December 18, 2021, 05:48:18 AM
So wait, if you're only using that set amount of doge to bet and taking all the winnings to a vault which would remain unspent, it'd be a constant expenditure of 150-200 dogecoins per day, while the profit would remain unknown? And assuming that you did something with counting the maximum losses so that it stops at 16 losses in a row, the eventual result is that the script is for limiting the losses, that's it, it doesn't guarantee profit or anything like that.

Honestly isn't any long-term betting considered a loss due to the house edge? Or am I missing something?


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Erdogan on December 18, 2021, 06:16:02 AM
I understand that you have done the initial calculations, but you need someone to confirm it?
You talk about millions of rolls, but in the end you ask about someone to write an autoscript.
Does this mean that you have been doing all these millionth simulations manually until now?


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Oshosondy on December 18, 2021, 07:15:47 AM
I have played a lot of times and always end up losing. I continue to lose all because I was devoting more time for gambling until I realised this won't work. I wasn't only spending more time on gambling, I was also having different ideas in a way I can minimise losses and maximise profits but all were not successful until I realised betting is not about playing all the time but just a luck and Playing for fun. I played football gambling and little of others but what I know generally about gambling is that the more you devote time for it and play it more the more you can start to lose, the beginning can seem profitable but the later part can be other way.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: RILWAN on December 18, 2021, 08:31:52 AM
Dice script is not the best if you are looking to play dice I will advise you just play for fun but having millions winning at heart may frustrate your efforts since dice is a luck-based game.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: ipanks on December 18, 2021, 08:58:44 AM
Playing gambling using the same amount every day is a good idea but if we want to test a script or use a bot to find the right setting is not easy because we need to prepare some amounts that we will use and we do not know when we can get the correct setting for that script.

Maybe what you did can work successfully someday but until that day, how many amounts you will use and how good you can accept the risk. I am not good with math but I am curious how long you will get the correct setting and I can only wish that you will get what you want someday.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: YinShuiSiYuan on December 18, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
Dice script is not the best if you are looking to play dice I will advise you just play for fun but having millions winning at heart may frustrate your efforts since dice is a luck-based game.

I think the OP is very well aware of what a dice game is all about and the risks associated with it. The thing is, he believes his calculations show that it will pay off to use a martingale but up to 15 wins / loses in a row.
Personally, I think that it can not change much, because even after changing your betting after 15 rolls, the risk starts again and the result may end up even worse.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: AicecreaME on December 18, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Using script is not profitable in the long run, that's why you need to always upgrade it so that you can maintain your winnings, it's not that easy because as you've said, you need to run million of simulation to find out if the script you've made is indeed effective. DICE or even flip coin won't be merely defeated by a certain algorithm because that game is random, a luck base game.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: chaser15 on December 18, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

Still, you don't know if, on the 17th bet, you will have a winning bet. How did you able to make a million simulations? Regardless, a chance is a chance, and with that simulation of yours, did you consider applying the different house of a dice site?

On what dice sites where did you apply the test currently?

If you think that's a good use for you, then good luck and hope for you to gather more profits in the future.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: pawanjain on December 18, 2021, 12:17:18 PM

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.


This is the part that I doubt. How can it even be possible that you never lose your earnings in gambling.
If you went bust then you lose your money but you say that the winnings would not be affected.
Could you please be more precise and shine some light on this part.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: YinShuiSiYuan on December 18, 2021, 01:08:43 PM

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.


This is the part that I doubt. How can it even be possible that you never lose your earnings in gambling.
If you went bust then you lose your money but you say that the winnings would not be affected.
Could you please be more precise and shine some light on this part.

Yes, it didn't make sense to me too. After all, it is impossible to be sure how long we will be winning or losing. If the bankroll runs out, the bot will simply stop working. And later we will have to recharge it manually anyway. Then, after all, we have to take funds that were previously secured.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Obito on December 18, 2021, 01:27:06 PM
Using script is not profitable in the long run, that's why you need to always upgrade it so that you can maintain your winnings, it's not that easy because as you've said, you need to run million of simulation to find out if the script you've made is indeed effective. DICE or even flip coin won't be merely defeated by a certain algorithm because that game is random, a luck base game.
It's not that bad of a project though, but you're right that it's a difficult one but with the advancements of the technology, I think that we will soon be able to get close to accurately predicting what's going to happen next and hopefully get the right answer, there are only six sides to a dice so it's not that difficult for us to program a somewhat accurate prediction. Also, does OP have a proof of his work just to show what's the current status of the system?


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Mauser on December 18, 2021, 01:43:08 PM
Sounds like a decent trading strategy. You are right that a martingale strategy can fail over time and is not a guarantee for winning. I just wondering did you actually start betting with your strategy or is it just paper simulations?
Saving your earnings seperate from your bankroll is a good approach to avoid going bankrupt and losing all money to start again. I just wonder how much money you made on average per day and how many times did you actually lose your 150 doge coin? Both pattern analysis and martingale are no winning strategy. In the long run the casinos has its house edge. So the longer we play and the more games we have the higher the chances to go bust. Its important to keep the potential winnings in mind compared to the total bankroll. Having a chance to win 20% with the risk of losing it all is not great.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: bering on December 18, 2021, 01:47:46 PM
I can't imagine you ran couple million simulations to get the best dice script to increase your winning chance but i was wondering does you did it with several kind of dice sites or you were stick to one dice sites only while simulated it because probably dice formula between other sites will not same and some people used to using dice script to get profit but most of those scripts never works for long run


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Peanutswar on December 18, 2021, 02:50:00 PM
If this kind of strategy is gives you a profitable game i guess its good to continue but i guess its too hard to trust with the system its still a random generated by the developers, also another thing is how much do you wage per day?. because not all the time those algorithms gives you a good outcome its better if you make a spreadsheet of your income and wage per day so many of us see if this might be a good thing too.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Darker45 on December 18, 2021, 03:28:42 PM
With your long post, you still haven't told us even a little about your dice strategy. So, what is it really? I'm more interested about it than the amounts. It doesn't matter how much we could use as a starting bet or how much bankroll we could use on a daily basis. Just tell us first what the strategy is and perhaps we could analyze its probability a little.

For now, this looks nothing but a way to build up something in order to solicit investment from credulous individuals.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: adzino on December 18, 2021, 03:42:11 PM
Not sure what you are trying to sell here, but no scripts or strategies in the long run will help you make profit. The house has an edge and will always win. And your calculations are wrong. You will still be losing money even if you move your winnings to a "vault" and keep playing with your initial funds, because you will be losing from your initial funds and before your profit becomes equivalent to the initial deposit, you might end up losing your money. And since you found a "way" to have a maximum loss of 15 (lol), then just use that strategy yourself.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: stomachgrowls on December 18, 2021, 03:57:57 PM
With your long post, you still haven't told us even a little about your dice strategy. So, what is it really? I'm more interested about it than the amounts. It doesn't matter how much we could use as a starting bet or how much bankroll we could use on a daily basis. Just tell us first what the strategy is and perhaps we could analyze its probability a little.

For now, this looks nothing but a way to build up something in order to solicit investment from credulous individuals.
Have some the same impressions too about on this one on which this one is trying out to solicit investments on indirect manner which im saying that it would really be not appealing on that intent.

Doesn't matter if you do have big or small capital because dice game do matters with luck. You might be saying that you are profitable and does have some working strategy but totally its just that you are being lucky.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Coin_trader on December 18, 2021, 04:14:10 PM
I understand that you have done the initial calculations, but you need someone to confirm it?
You talk about millions of rolls, but in the end you ask about someone to write an autoscript.
Does this mean that you have been doing all these millionth simulations manually until now?

He already has a script using tamper monkey if you follow what he is saying. He just want someone to help him on experimenting and developing the script he already started since he is not good on math(self admitted). He is not asking for confirmation but rather a helping hands to develop together.



I understand the sentiments here since you are claiming you develop a new strategy but in reality its still the same because you will still get and used your save profit to play more once your original bankroll is bust. You just prolonged your gameplay but that doesn't mean you escape the possibility to have a multiple bust in a row until your bank roll and vault depleted.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: VanityWallets2015 on December 18, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
With your long post, you still haven't told us even a little about your dice strategy.
Doesn't matter if you do have big or small capital because dice game do matters with luck. You might be saying that you are profitable and does have some working strategy but totally its just that you are being lucky.
You just prolonged your gameplay but that doesn't mean you escape the possibility to have a multiple bust in a row until your bank roll and vault depleted.

I believe so too, winning or losing when playing dice games are based on our luck. And that would be the same in every spin, minute, hour or day. If OP could let us see, even a sneak peek, of the script he’s been talking about then maybe these speculations we have that this is just some solicit investment scheme could be corrected.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: michellee on December 18, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
I am not sure if you can get the correct code quickly because you need to test one by one. I think the script will not let you make money from the dice because dice is one of the gambling games based on luck so without having luck, I consider it difficult to win many times. Maybe you can win for some time, but I doubt that you will win more using the same code as the casino can replace the code easily without you knowing. If you are still curious about your script, you can test it for more, but be careful because that will relate to your money.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Silberman on December 18, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
Hi,

Let's get straight to the point.
We have all played the coinflip at some point in life. And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.


If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.

There is no need to run simulations or anything like that, you are playing a game with a negative EV, so no matter what you do you will lose money, it is that simple, I know that people are always looking for ways to earn money while they gamble as this is a very attractive option but it is not possible on those kind of games, the only way to earn some money in gambling is to find games in which your EV can turn positive, like blackjack, or games in which you do not play against the house and instead play against other players, like poker.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Alanaz on December 18, 2021, 05:35:45 PM
In my opinion this will only worsen your loss, this is one that makes you lose money if you believe, try changing your mindset because gambling is done just for fun, not to find wealth there. As for the profit you get, it is the bonus you receive and it is your luck.
if you feel it helps then do it but I don't recommend it because it will only increase your wishful thinking to be able to win


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: uneng on December 18, 2021, 06:47:59 PM
I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.
You have set a loss daily limit (150 doge) and that is a responsible move that should be done by every gamblers, congratulations for this. However, it's not going to prevent you from losing money on long run. That is inevitable and will happen as the days go by while you use this method. By executing your strategy you will see your total bankroll decreasing slowly, due to the house edge of the casino, and at some point you won't be able to cover the 150 doge losses from some days with the profit made during another days.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: romero121 on December 18, 2021, 06:58:05 PM
I am not sure if you can get the correct code quickly because you need to test one by one. I think the script will not let you make money from the dice because dice is one of the gambling games based on luck so without having luck, I consider it difficult to win many times. Maybe you can win for some time, but I doubt that you will win more using the same code as the casino can replace the code easily without you knowing. If you are still curious about your script, you can test it for more, but be careful because that will relate to your money.
Most of the scripts were created in such a way to profit the gambling house. However the fair functioning of the script needs to be tested than the profiting, because without users there is no use of developing scripts. Same as that OP can go for testing with play tokens which doesn't have value, but can be used for testing. Here it is possible to find the average profiting/loss of gambling house using the script.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: qwertyup23 on December 18, 2021, 07:52:03 PM
I understand that you have done the initial calculations, but you need someone to confirm it?
You talk about millions of rolls, but in the end you ask about someone to write an autoscript.
Does this mean that you have been doing all these millionth simulations manually until now?

I think the Martingale system proves to be the most efficient method of gaining back your losses or doubling your winnings in a given gambling spree. Though this may be contingent on the amount of capital that you are willing to lose, still the Martingale system remains to be the efficient method of gambling my resources, primarily based on my experience.

I remember my brother used to experience 3-4 times of losses in a given spree but he managed to recover and profit from his trade after his 5th bet winning on the system.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: terrorJR on December 18, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
I am not sure if you can get the correct code quickly because you need to test one by one. I think the script will not let you make money from the dice because dice is one of the gambling games based on luck so without having luck, I consider it difficult to win many times. Maybe you can win for some time, but I doubt that you will win more using the same code as the casino can replace the code easily without you knowing. If you are still curious about your script, you can test it for more, but be careful because that will relate to your money.
Most of the scripts were created in such a way to profit the gambling house. However the fair functioning of the script needs to be tested than the profiting, because without users there is no use of developing scripts. Same as that OP can go for testing with play tokens which doesn't have value, but can be used for testing. Here it is possible to find the average profiting/loss of gambling house using the script.
this is the most obvious thing that the results will be like that, in gambling of course everything will definitely be in favor of the gambling house regardless of what it is, it is still the gambling house that will benefit.
and if we talk about fairness, what does justice actually look like because I feel that everyone's level of justice will definitely be different.
Apart from that, I don't think there will ever be a level of justice in gambling anywhere, because still everything will side with the gambling house and the bookie


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Cling18 on December 18, 2021, 08:50:52 PM
It seems like you still need people who would try that strategy to see if it's effective but as for me, that still has a huge risk simply because we all know that dice is a luck-based game. There's still no definite proof that providing script and codes could assure an advantage so I guess just enjoying the whole game would be better.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 18, 2021, 09:43:20 PM
In my opinion this will only worsen your loss, this is one that makes you lose money if you believe, try changing your mindset because gambling is done just for fun, not to find wealth there. As for the profit you get, it is the bonus you receive and it is your luck.
if you feel it helps then do it but I don't recommend it because it will only increase your wishful thinking to be able to win

in short, even if he devised a different script, different from martingale, he may still end up losing because dice is luck-based game. how many times have we seen here threads trying to formulate a strategy in dice? aside from that, there's HE. but of course, everyone is free to create his own algo on this game, and try it for himself if it will work.

It seems like you still need people who would try that strategy to see if it's effective but as for me, that still has a huge risk simply because we all know that dice is a luck-based game. There's still no definite proof that providing script and codes could assure an advantage so I guess just enjoying the whole game would be better.

i guess, in time, the OP will realise that instead of breaking his head to smoothen his script, just enjoy dice and don't overthink about it.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: seleme on December 18, 2021, 09:59:17 PM
There is no strategy that can beat the house edge in the long run, it is simple as that. Just curious what kind of "settings" you use for dicebot. Lots of gambling scripts on the third party dice bot services tried and even purchased few recommended ones but no matter what result is always the same: Big zero. The house edge will get your bankroll sooner than you thought and you have to bet more to beat house edge, the more you gonna bet the more house edge will be there. Just FYI..


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Doell on December 18, 2021, 10:47:07 PM
long terms host always wins the script doesn't work for sure because the host knows your bot for only a few hours maybe 2 days or a week ! bet 0.0005 doge with a daily income of 150 doge I think is that a long ,why not just manual bet 150 doge without having to use a bot ,it's simpler


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: michellee on December 19, 2021, 02:34:30 AM
I am not sure if you can get the correct code quickly because you need to test one by one. I think the script will not let you make money from the dice because dice is one of the gambling games based on luck so without having luck, I consider it difficult to win many times. Maybe you can win for some time, but I doubt that you will win more using the same code as the casino can replace the code easily without you knowing. If you are still curious about your script, you can test it for more, but be careful because that will relate to your money.
Most of the scripts were created in such a way to profit the gambling house. However the fair functioning of the script needs to be tested than the profiting, because without users there is no use of developing scripts. Same as that OP can go for testing with play tokens which doesn't have value, but can be used for testing. Here it is possible to find the average profiting/loss of gambling house using the script.
He can find the average profit/loss of the gambling house using the script, but the problem is how much money he will use before getting the right script that can support him to win the most. I am not sure that the script can work for a long time as the casino can be suspicious of how a gambler can win the most than the other players. If so, the casino will change the code on their site and ensure that the gambler can not win the most again. But if he does not have any intention with his script and only play with fun without thinking about win or loss and only use small money to test, I guess that will not be a problem for him.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: mindrust on December 19, 2021, 02:49:19 AM
Hi,

Let's get straight to the point.
We have all played the coinflip at some point in life. And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.

Sigh...

Again another thread about martingale and dice.

People are never going to learn it seems. I know it because I also tried this when I was younger. At first I thought I found the easy recipe for getting rich. Then I found out, it wasn't really as easy I thought. Of course as I get older, I realized it was nothing but bullshit.

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.
If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.


Here is your problem. You should study more math.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: RealMalatesta on December 19, 2021, 05:28:34 AM
I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.
This must be just your imagination and you are talking about profits from dice gambling but I do see when you keep refilling your bankroll then you might be losing 150 to 200 dogecoins daily.

Just because, you set your base bet around lower side, you cannot end up in profits with your dicing. After few rolls, you will increase your base bet and then every aspects of usual/old way of gambling will start playing and finishing up your gambling in negative way.

You will never able to beat the house which must be the bitter truth every gambler refuses to agree. People who are able to understand this fact, will play dice without any plans but to enjoy their days.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Fortify on December 19, 2021, 07:33:53 AM
Hi,

Let's get straight to the point.
We have all played the coinflip at some point in life. And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

But, I decided to use a dicebot and run it for fun and after 1 million bets the bankroll went bust several times.
So I made a script using tampermonkey that saves all the earnings in a vault so that when it eventually went bust the winnings would not be affected, meaning the bankroll always stays the same and you can never lose your earnings.

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.


If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.


I've never played coinflip at any point in life, as it's just not that entertaining giving money to a game that is rigged to take all of your money over the long term with no way for the user to influence that outcome. You think that extending the amount of plays to a million will somehow work in your favor, but it's actually the opposite that takes place - the longer you play the more guaranteed you are to lose money to the house advantage. Imagine it another way - the game could has a 49 percent chance of you winning a hand and a 51% chance of the casino (aka "the house") winning a hand, out of every 100 hands played the house will win 2 hands more than you. These two hands are to cover costs (for running the game - design, support staff, security, hosting, etc.) and profit. You will never win with any sort of "strategy" in this type of game, because there is none.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: ralle14 on December 19, 2021, 08:00:07 AM
Even if it rarely exceeds 15 it can still happen at any point though or even worse twice in a row which can quickly burn your winnings if you do manage to string a lot of winning sessions. On certain days you could earn 150-200 DOGE but I doubt you'll consistently earn the same amount since it only gets worse once you reach the millionth mark. I remember someone created a thread about that topic for others to know how it would look like if you manage to place millions of rolls.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: iv4n on December 19, 2021, 08:36:18 AM
Even if it rarely exceeds 15 it can still happen at any point though or even worse twice in a row which can quickly burn your winnings if you do manage to string a lot of winning sessions. On certain days you could earn 150-200 DOGE but I doubt you'll consistently earn the same amount since it only gets worse once you reach the millionth mark. I remember someone created a thread about that topic for others to know how it would look like if you manage to place millions of rolls.

I don't buy this story...

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day.

He is using 150 Doges and making 150-200 Doges on certain days?! Doubling money always sounds like some scam in my mind... I simply can't run away from that! And if there's a strategy for this why does he need help with anything? I guess he only wishes someone to give him some money for his "bankroll", and he will promise big profits in return!


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: timerland on December 19, 2021, 08:42:39 AM
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Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses.[/li][/list]

And this is where you screwed up.

It is almost guaranteed that you will encounter a streak that is long enough to bust your entire bankroll sooner or later.

Understand that gambling in any form (including coinflips) is a negative EV game. The more volume you bet the more likely you are to lose it all, regardless of how good you feel about the strategy you are using.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: coin-investor on December 19, 2021, 09:37:38 AM


If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.


You are planning to create a bot that will let you win all the time using tampermonkey, looks like you are trying to game the system which I doubt will get you in trouble, casinos are smarter and they will not let you use a script to cheat the system, I have many coders selling script to win a dice game but buyer ends up getting scam because the bot was caught by the casino operators and ban those accounts.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: alegotardo on December 19, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this seems to be just another case of someone deluded into thinking they understand math and finding the secret formula for breaking any bookmaker.
All you'll get is to extend your illusion, because when the house edge the end result will always tend to ZERO, that's inevitable.
To profit from this the only way is... not to have resentment in betting your bankroll, risk high values and know how to stop when you win a big pot, otherwise everything will be returned to the house.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Fredomago on December 19, 2021, 12:00:40 PM
I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.
This must be just your imagination and you are talking about profits from dice gambling but I do see when you keep refilling your bankroll then you might be losing 150 to 200 dogecoins daily.

Just because, you set your base bet around lower side, you cannot end up in profits with your dicing. After few rolls, you will increase your base bet and then every aspects of usual/old way of gambling will start playing and finishing up your gambling in negative way.

You will never able to beat the house which must be the bitter truth every gambler refuses to agree. People who are able to understand this fact, will play dice without any plans but to enjoy their days.

That's the reality inside this game, you might have some day winning but in most cases you will lose a lot, whatever system you will use gambling owners will manage to beat you, they are aware and they will keep updating any lapses that you see from their house, sooner or
later you will find out that the system you are using is no longer useful.

Better to play the game with random strategy and keep the enjoyment until you will feel the adrenaline.

Win some or lose some, part of gambling as long as you can balance your bankroll well.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: pieppiep on December 19, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
If someone wants to do the math or help me with the script or the project itself I'd be happy to share everything with you.


You are planning to create a bot that will let you win all the time using tampermonkey, looks like you are trying to game the system which I doubt will get you in trouble, casinos are smarter and they will not let you use a script to cheat the system, I have many coders selling script to win a dice game but buyer ends up getting scam because the bot was caught by the casino operators and ban those accounts.
I am worried for those who use a script or bot because they may not control the money they use to place the bet, even if they already set the amount they will use and how many times the bot will run. There is no guarantee that the bot will run as we want because the casino will know and catch those people and ban those accounts. I wonder what will happen to him and we hope he can come back here to tell the next about the script to see if he can win big money or screw up.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 12:29:00 PM

I am worried for those who use a script or bot because they may not control the money they use to place the bet, even if they already set the amount they will use and how many times the bot will run. There is no guarantee that the bot will run as we want because the casino will know and catch those people and ban those accounts. I wonder what will happen to him and we hope he can come back here to tell the next about the script to see if he can win big money or screw up.

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: mindrust on December 19, 2021, 03:12:03 PM

I am worried for those who use a script or bot because they may not control the money they use to place the bet, even if they already set the amount they will use and how many times the bot will run. There is no guarantee that the bot will run as we want because the casino will know and catch those people and ban those accounts. I wonder what will happen to him and we hope he can come back here to tell the next about the script to see if he can win big money or screw up.

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Using a bot is not cheating though. Most dice websites have a built-in dice bot which lets you create your own patterns anyway. The casino would be glad if you are you using a bot. It doesn't matter if it is your own bot or theirs. As long as you have the coins to wager, you are a good guy. They got the house edge. The more you play, the more likely you are going to lose. That's all matters.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: pawanjain on December 19, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this seems to be just another case of someone deluded into thinking they understand math and finding the secret formula for breaking any bookmaker.
All you'll get is to extend your illusion, because when the house edge the end result will always tend to ZERO, that's inevitable.
To profit from this the only way is... not to have resentment in betting your bankroll, risk high values and know how to stop when you win a big pot, otherwise everything will be returned to the house.

Exactly ! This strategy sounds too good to be true because OP says his strategy will never make any losses which can't be true.
It's obvious there can't be a strategy which guarantees to give out profits. Although there's no harm in trying out the bot but using it for long term would definitely be a bad idea.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: fiulpro on December 19, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: qwertyup23 on December 19, 2021, 04:38:56 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Alanaz on December 19, 2021, 05:55:29 PM
In my opinion this will only worsen your loss, this is one that makes you lose money if you believe, try changing your mindset because gambling is done just for fun, not to find wealth there. As for the profit you get, it is the bonus you receive and it is your luck.
if you feel it helps then do it but I don't recommend it because it will only increase your wishful thinking to be able to win

in short, even if he devised a different script, different from martingale, he may still end up losing because dice is luck-based game. how many times have we seen here threads trying to formulate a strategy in dice? aside from that, there's HE. but of course, everyone is free to create his own algo on this game, and try it for himself if it will work.

That's right, even if we design a script and think it is the most up-to-date, it's actually just wishful thinking because there's no way we can beat the gambling house.
Their initial concept from the start was that no matter how strong the gambler was, the one who would win and profit was the gambling house.
and we have to be able to look in that direction because basically gambling is done just for fun


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: uneng on December 19, 2021, 06:06:55 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Alisha-k on December 19, 2021, 06:07:05 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
The analysis of comparing gambling to mathematics because it shares the same probability outcome is only a precision and can never be accurate as the outcome is so unpredictable. Playing dice is strictly on probability as the outcome remains unpredictable. Chances of winning is only based on how skilled the player is with outcomes


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: seleme on December 19, 2021, 07:42:22 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.
I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.  Having a decent bankroll means, you have to focus on the probability on small multipliers. Not like some guys who buys Chaos Crew bonuses for 20k$ after getting $40k balance. It is meaningless since the slots RTP will never let you run as winner in the long run.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: robelneo on December 19, 2021, 09:55:44 PM


Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.



So can you say EUREKA with your new find method to beat dice game, remember the house edge will always beat the system you implement because it reads the algorithm but if after hundred of testing and it's still effective then you are lucky to find a system that you can treat as a cash cow, you have to keep it to yourself until you made a lot of money and you are generous to share it because if many people are using this method it will get busted.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Desmong on December 19, 2021, 10:27:51 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
The analysis of comparing gambling to mathematics because it shares the same probability outcome is only a precision and can never be accurate as the outcome is so unpredictable. Playing dice is strictly on probability as the outcome remains unpredictable. Chances of winning is only based on how skilled the player is with outcomes
You don't need to be skilled to play dice and you can't always predict the outcome. Don't forget that when playing dice on a gambling platform, the house determines the outcome not the player which is obvious should not be always considered as luck which needs more funds to catch out big.  In fact gambling should not be taken as major source of income because it's risky.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: sunsilk on December 19, 2021, 11:42:39 PM
I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.
That's right.

You may win today but tomorrow is another story. You can win again and have that streak whether you'll be hitting your goal and stay safe with your bankroll.

But it's always a different thing even if you run a script or just go with automatic rolls. You'll never know what's next for you since you're playing a game that's totally based on luck.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: terrorJR on December 20, 2021, 12:10:59 AM
I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.
Very good thinking and your luck is pretty good at it.
it doesn't matter what method or method is used but it seems luck is the most influential and regarding strategy maybe that is a good thing for you to do but it will not affect some people if their luck is very bad


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: dustboy on December 20, 2021, 12:17:35 AM

I am worried for those who use a script or bot because they may not control the money they use to place the bet, even if they already set the amount they will use and how many times the bot will run. There is no guarantee that the bot will run as we want because the casino will know and catch those people and ban those accounts. I wonder what will happen to him and we hope he can come back here to tell the next about the script to see if he can win big money or screw up.

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Never heard any case when a player is get banned because of using bot. Bot is just a bot, a modified betting system with more options/feature compared to the available betting system in the site. Can you please mention a name of casino that mark account as cheater because the account using bot? Bot cant beat the house, there is no math formula that can beat the house so how can a casino mark account as cheater?


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: alegotardo on December 20, 2021, 12:26:23 AM
Never heard any case when a player is get banned because of using bot. Bot is just a bot, a modified betting system with more options/feature compared to the available betting system in the site. Can you please mention a name of casino that mark account as cheater because the account using bot? Bot cant beat the house, there is no math formula that can beat the house so how can a casino mark account as cheater?

I also never heard concrete cases that an account was banned in casinos, only rumors.

But I believe that the confusion is caused, for example, by the existence of sites like freebitco.in that distribute free coins from time to time.
I've seen bots to automate these claims, and then yes... it's illegal, because the "player" is getting something from the house without taking any risk.
And in this case, accounts have already been banned.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: STT on December 20, 2021, 12:37:50 AM
I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.

Probably most relevant if it was a physical game would be physics, in theory you can calculate the bias in a game even roulette wheels can develop hot patches on the wheel where its more likely to land then others.   There is inevitable wear and repeated observation of results give a probability to the outcome so physics and maths can become relevant.   Someone in London took a laser to a Casino to precisely measure all movements of a roulette wheel and was able to realistically map out better odds to bet with then just a straight guess.  The casino sued but was found to have no clause against advanced equipment in this way so the winnings were valid despite the advantage.
     Dice online is much harder to do anything like this, most of the time most of us would be kidding ourselves to imagine we influence the game to our advantage.   The very best strategy is to manage money efficiently and take profits as said, quit while you ahead as every game has a cost to play its not free or supposed to be .


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: pieppiep on December 20, 2021, 09:48:33 AM

I am worried for those who use a script or bot because they may not control the money they use to place the bet, even if they already set the amount they will use and how many times the bot will run. There is no guarantee that the bot will run as we want because the casino will know and catch those people and ban those accounts. I wonder what will happen to him and we hope he can come back here to tell the next about the script to see if he can win big money or screw up.

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.
If the casino doesn't know if their user uses a bot, @OP will be okay using his bot but I doubt that will last long because the casino will know sooner or later and will ban his account. The banning of his account will be the first risk that he can get, while the second risk will be spending the money because when the bot can run by itself, he may not watch the bot instead try to do other things. The big risk he can get is banning the account and closing it as soon as possible when the casino knows he is cheating.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Fredomago on December 20, 2021, 12:53:45 PM
I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.

Probably most relevant if it was a physical game would be physics, in theory you can calculate the bias in a game even roulette wheels can develop hot patches on the wheel where its more likely to land then others.   There is inevitable wear and repeated observation of results give a probability to the outcome so physics and maths can become relevant.   Someone in London took a laser to a Casino to precisely measure all movements of a roulette wheel and was able to realistically map out better odds to bet with then just a straight guess.  The casino sued but was found to have no clause against advanced equipment in this way so the winnings were valid despite the advantage.
     Dice online is much harder to do anything like this, most of the time most of us would be kidding ourselves to imagine we influence the game to our advantage.   The very best strategy is to manage money efficiently and take profits as said, quit while you ahead as every game has a cost to play its not free or supposed to be .

Not free at all, and whenever you have the chance to quit while you are ahead, it's the best strategy to have. Though most of the gamblers don't have that mentality, thinking that they can move forward and win more, or thinking that luck is accompanying them around. It's no longer new to each of us that after playing long hours we regret sometimes, more on what if we quit before we suffer that big losses?

Dice strategy will depend on how you play and protect your bankroll, more on self strategy and not on any available system.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: KTChampions on December 20, 2021, 12:55:01 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Alisha-k on December 20, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.
Casinos wouldn't accept bots on their games I mean all their games most especially dice games except the bots would place bets for him automatically using some fixed parameters. Using bots as strategy for predicting outcomes is similar to cheating the system and casinos and  most casinos will kick against it


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: madnessteat on December 20, 2021, 02:29:08 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Smartprofit on December 20, 2021, 02:42:59 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

In my opinion, it is logical that there are no bans on the use of bots for playing dice.  If the game of dice initially involves winning in a casino, then there is no point in introducing prohibitions.  A player using bots will only increase his loss and increase the profit of the casino. 

I don't really like dices.  Precisely because I have no opportunity to influence the outcome of the game.  It has a devastating effect on my psyche.  I am concerned that I may develop learned helplessness syndrome.  This happens in people who understand that their efforts do not in any way affect their effectiveness and efficiency.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Silberman on December 20, 2021, 07:47:07 PM
I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.
I think that prohibition is more strictly enforced when we are talking about games in which you play against other players, after all when it comes to other traditional casino games you play against the house whether you use a bot or not should make no difference at all when it comes to winning or losing.

But when you are playing against other gamblers a bot can be a huge difference as it is not subject to emotions and can make calculations with a precision that no human can match, and as such it will give you a huge advantage over other players, so in that instance casinos will enforce that rule way more harshly as they will lose players over the long term if bots keep beating them.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Mahanton on December 20, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.
Most of them had already some readied up strategies or bots that you could make use of as a player which means you wont really be needing some external source for you to make use of.You would really get banned if you
are tagging up with some illegal acts or shady movement against their TOS then its normal on having those kind of decisions but if not then you would really be having no care at all.
Play in automation and this is where bots are useful and as for scripts then making out some alteration or changes on how you do bet is something that people could
easily modify it out.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: uneng on December 20, 2021, 07:59:51 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.
I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.
However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Slow death on December 20, 2021, 08:20:31 PM
We have all played the coinflip at some point in life.

definitely haven't played yet

And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

but i completely agree with you that martingale strategy doesn't work, i tested it with sports betting at the beginning and ended up with my bankroll at zero

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.

you have a big project in hand


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: dunfida on December 20, 2021, 08:47:22 PM
See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.
Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.
I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.
However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.
Just let them be on realizing off things because they wont really be believing into someone when they dont actually experienced it for themselves on which this had been always the reality of things.

People do win on constant basis or simple in profits would have that mindset that they had beat up the game and since they havent losing that much or still on positive and they decided to keep

on doing things but its true that no one knows on what would be next which neither losing streak would be next in line which would really be opening your eyes on how this gambling works.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: seleme on December 20, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.
It is not supported to use third-party scripts or bots on some gambling platforms, logically they apply this rule for protecting user's privacy. Prying eyes can steal the coins from balance with malicious software/code and the users usually blame casino administration for letting hacker do its job. Generally, using bots for betting is good idea to get rid of the red cold streaks before betting.

Regarding the question about reliability, it depends on the website and team. For example, some bot services are in market since 2008, these services will never scam the customer for few hundred bucks. Just use 2FA and you are good to go.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: DoublerHunter on December 20, 2021, 10:03:13 PM
It is not supported to use third-party scripts or bots on some gambling platforms, logically they apply this rule for protecting user's privacy. Prying eyes can steal the coins from balance with malicious software/code and the users usually blame casino administration for letting hacker do its job. Generally, using bots for betting is good idea to get rid of the red cold streaks before betting.
^ Is this third-party script bot will really have worked and is reliable?
That is definitely right, it is too risky if there is someone who will use this for the sake of their gambling, they think that it gives accurate results but the fact is not. I rather choose to place a bet manually than use a bot, there are too many functions that your need remember.
However, I have a question that I want to share, is there someone that has been used this script boat?


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: goinmerry on December 20, 2021, 10:50:22 PM
^ Is this third-party script bot will really have worked and is reliable?
That is definitely right, it is too risky if there is someone who will use this for the sake of their gambling, they think that it gives accurate results but the fact is not. I rather choose to place a bet manually than use a bot, there are too many functions that your need remember.

The script is different from the automated tools you are seeing on a gambling site. There are added parameters on the script. The script was designed to cover the lack of features of the automated tools on the site. It should work but not to the point it will give good results. It's just a script after all. There are working scripts in the past but as time passes by, it's not being used now by most gamblers.

I have a question that I want to share, is there someone that has been used this script boat?

What script? The one OP is referring to? There is no script but it's just a plan.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Oceat on December 20, 2021, 11:59:25 PM
Playing gambling using the same amount every day is a good idea but if we want to test a script or use a bot to find the right setting is not easy because we need to prepare some amounts that we will use and we do not know when we can get the correct setting for that script.

Maybe what you did can work successfully someday but until that day, how many amounts you will use and how good you can accept the risk. I am not good with math but I am curious how long you will get the correct setting and I can only wish that you will get what you want someday.
I don't know if it's a good idea to play gambling with the same amount everyday without a fail. It feels like you will lose more money than earning while trying to find a good settings for the bot. If it's just a test run they shouldn't use it yet using a real money/crypto it should be tested first if what are the possible outcome.

It's too risky to use it in gambling yet and to avoid unnecessary wasting of money, find someone who can help you to finish your script or plan.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Fundamentals Of on December 21, 2021, 02:56:01 AM
It is not only the Martingale strategy that does not work in dice. Pretty much all kinds of strategies in dice do not work. The house edge will always prevail in the long run. So there is really not much point in crafting a strategy that would defeat the house. The only thing that could defeat the house is luck. And luck which is consistent. But we all know that if luck sides with you, it will be temporary. It is fleeting. You may have a winning streak even in 20% winning chance in dice but it will not be happening forever.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: xSkylarx on December 21, 2021, 03:10:54 AM
Playing gambling using the same amount every day is a good idea but if we want to test a script or use a bot to find the right setting is not easy because we need to prepare some amounts that we will use and we do not know when we can get the correct setting for that script.

Maybe what you did can work successfully someday but until that day, how many amounts you will use and how good you can accept the risk. I am not good with math but I am curious how long you will get the correct setting and I can only wish that you will get what you want someday.
I don't know if it's a good idea to play gambling with the same amount everyday without a fail. It feels like you will lose more money than earning while trying to find a good settings for the bot. If it's just a test run they shouldn't use it yet using a real money/crypto it should be tested first if what are the possible outcome.

It's too risky to use it in gambling yet and to avoid unnecessary wasting of money, find someone who can help you to finish your script or plan.

I agree that it should be tested first, but it is not guaranteed that you will come up with the same result. I don't know, but using bots or experimentation settings with it with the purpose of earning money is not that good since you'll end up losing. However, if you play just for fun and want to experiment with it, then it is good. Gambling is for fun for me or for entertainment, not a source of income, but if I get lucky, then that is really good.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: KTChampions on December 21, 2021, 04:58:09 PM
Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.
Casinos wouldn't accept bots on their games I mean all their games most especially dice games except the bots would place bets for him automatically using some fixed parameters. Using bots as strategy for predicting outcomes is similar to cheating the system and casinos and  most casinos will kick against it

None of your strategy of "predictions" changes the mathematical essence of casino games (the advantage is always on the side of the casino), so the casino does not care how you place your bets - manually or with the help of a bot (this is also true of your strategy - you can invent it yourself or with the help of a bot ).

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

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Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: South Park on December 21, 2021, 05:47:50 PM
However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.
One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Hamphser on December 21, 2021, 07:41:52 PM
However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.
One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.
And when you experience losses then this is the time you would really be trying up to chase your losses and made up different kind of strategies out of your desperation which is something a very common behavior of

someone to make which is actually the reality of most people been playing out with dice.We know that this game is based on luck and theres no way that you could really make profits on playing on long term.

Yes, you could really get out without having loss or in profits but you shouldnt really make yourself confident because once streaks do happen you would really change up your mood.


Title: Re: Playing with dices
Post by: Fredomago on December 21, 2021, 10:20:20 PM
However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.
One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.
And when you experience losses then this is the time you would really be trying up to chase your losses and made up different kind of strategies out of your desperation which is something a very common behavior of

someone to make which is actually the reality of most people been playing out with dice.We know that this game is based on luck and theres no way that you could really make profits on playing on long term.

Yes, you could really get out without having loss or in profits but you shouldnt really make yourself confident because once streaks do happen you would really change up your mood.

Experienced based, most of us will agree to that statement, losing streak or winning streak will change your mood, even you really set up your plan but if things didn't show the way, you wanted things to happen you will lose your control, emotion mostly leads you in making mistakes.

Best to play this game with the intention of having some fun and allocate amount that you are willing to let go.

That way you will not suffer a lot, strategy or system whatever it is, not a guarantee only luck will help you big time,. ;D ::)