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These topic is created to express Frankly how I personally feel and maybe few other members in there too.i have been looking for a favourable time to post this a long while ago.
 Right from inception,it has been registered autocratically into the minds of every member of the forum that 1xbit and its promoters are a whole bunch of scammers! But I'm still saying this is entirely not true!
 I have been in the forum at least for a couple of months now and I have had diverse experience and as a matter of fact, I can attest to very few of this members that are falsely accused to be scammers just because they make a living out of promoting a scammy sites (as you normally portray).
 Come to think of it, we're supposed to be who we are on the inside and maybe utilise a few privileges that are around us in ADVERSE TIMES; you..yes you that's against promoting a scammy site,this question goes to you.
* What if you were inflicted with an infirmity and needed immediate support, maybe loan or sort of, but no body gave an attention to you... I know you would think of going to seek help from the few threads that have been created to help the needy around the globe,but that isn't working any longer and they don't give out money individually....
 Then you have no other sources of income with a half brother that can barely take care of himself,not to talk of you ☺️ and 1xbit offers you a contract that suits you at that point, will you reject it? Be sincere !
*What if your country was crumpled by influx and this was as a result of war which probably turned everyone into revergees:
You're offered to work for 1xbit to help out in your present controversy, will you promote them? Be sincere
 You're only saying " I can't promote 1xbit because you have food on your table and probably a good economy that fosters their citizens evenly. Don't always jump into conclusion mates,you don't know what humans like you are facing out there for no reason,be alert because no one knows what might happen the next few years to your own country
 Finally, I'm not seeing 1xbit as a scammy sites, why? Because they haven't scammed me in person!
You shouldn't follow people's postulate because you don't know if they followed the procedures or bridged the terms and conditions of the site or who knows if truly there were scammed.... So don't just jump into conclusions.
Trojane ❣️

Your whole thread concept is if you have a fund issue and anyone does not help you with the fund or does not borrow then you can involve with robbery. Isn't that? You have personal issues in your life and you need money hence you attempt to help 1xbit robbery. They are scamming gamblers and it has been proved many times. Even you are aware of it still promoting that. Listen, you will get what you deserve. No one will accept in the campaign your personal help. They need quality users, if you are a good contributor in the forum managers would allow you to join. But you really need instant or quick income,  quick earning methods are always not good for your account. If it's in real life, then quick earning methods wouldn't good for health and wealth.

Helping  scammer (consciously) = Scammer.

First of all, this topic has nothing to do with the B&H board, because it is more than obvious that it is about the reputation of you and some other members who participate in this campaign. Secondly, the company you are promoting has proven countless times that it behaves very irresponsibly, cheats people and has no intention of justifying itself for everything it does.

What you need to be clear about is the fact that all those who promote a company like this are no better than what they promote, and your signature only creates even more of those who will be scammed.


If you solve your problem in a way that causes financial damage to another, why do you think that is the right way? In your opinion, then it would be okay to do anything illegal (immoral), as long as there is a good reason for it?


Why are you selfish and think only of yourself? Do you have sympathy for all those who have publicly admitted to being scammed by the company you are promoting - and what about all those who are ashamed to admit it? Besides, do you know that part of the money you get is also from people who are scammed?

Instead of writing nonsense on the forum, visit the scam board and count all those who report scams against 1xbit.

There is no need to convince few people who blindly saying 1xbit is a scam. There is a thread open here where 1xbit team is listening and resolving people issues. Those who assuse 1xbit of scam are newbies account created by one or two people and they keep on posting, rest of the people are just blind followers of those newbies account.

1xbit is selective scammers, mostly they're scamming high roller. As you mentioned above they not scammed you (yet), you can try put large sum on their sites, play, and try to withdraw... then tell what's the experience on you.

That's true not all promoters are scammers, but as DT members already pointed out all 1xbit participants will got red tagged then they're accept the risk ruined their account only to earn money from 1xbit which known as scam casino.

That is, if you are doing well, and you were paid your $9, then everything is all right. Does it matter that you received this money from those who were not paid and who were deceived earlier? Truth? You don't have a headache from someone else's problems. "I can’t see the wood for the trees."

Your policy is rather strange. Everyone should understand your needs. What else will you go for the money?

For some reason, it seems to me that you will not find sympathy here.

A simple example, you write posts promoting this company, but it happened that you were not paid, or only $9 was given, and someone was paid $30. Is everything good for you anyway?

Selfish politics

If you see participants of 1xbit then all of them have red tags prior to joining this campaign. 1xBit comes as a blessing for these red tag accounts since they cant participate in any campaign. Apart from that many accounts are operated by same person thats evident because campaign OP is giving away money to one who will alts.

sure they are not all a scammer but they are one of the reasons why people get scammed. if you think advertising a gambling site that has an extensive negative reputation here in the forum don't have a consequence, then you are wrong.

this is the stupidest thing I've read this week. would you say that someone who robbed a person is not a robber because that person hasn't robbed you yet?

and you and other participants on 1xbit signature are just blindly following 1xbit as long as they give you money. or you already know it to yourself but would just turn a blind eye because you want their $$$

All I see is group of people who cant see others earning money. I am sure the campaign against 1xbit is launched by there competitors who don't want them getting success. This method is very common to beat your opponent. Interestingly you wont find solid prove against 1xbit, just few DT members leading this blame game.

Do you wish to change the title of your topic to something more fitting as you are not just trying to defend the promoters but also the project itself, and you are using the same half baked excuse many of the project promoters use.

- You are allowed to earn on the forum as long as you do not break the rules,
- Members are allowed to give negative/positive or neutral feedbacks based on their judgement,
- If you feel you have been given a wrong tag, you can message the user(s) an explain things to them or bank on the fact that other members would check the reference and make their own judgement.

I don't really know why you're pained and deceived by your selfish endowments.
 You only knew how to read that I was paid 9$ for the job? Did you become blind when the other user explained why I wasn't paid? Have I ever complained to you that I have been robbed of my coins from 1xbit?
I mean, why can't you just mind your business and are you following me around the forum?
 You're in a campaign that pays you 75$ ,fine that's all of your business and you willingly decided to promote them which make your case different.
 You keep diverting out of point each time you write on my post and you're getting on my nerves 🤐
I told everyone that I didn't join these shit willingly and I can't revoke my actions because it's late already.
 You think if I'm oppurtuned to own a legendary account like yours that I'll not join a good campaign? They won't even delay to pick me @lovesmay

What solid proof do you need? They already admit that they are scammers look read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266815.0

Base on the OP they scammed someone 2 years ago and they are trying to solve the case but the reason most of the users who use their service reply on that thread and give some proof that they scammed. Why not, read the whole thread?

Probably not everyone in1xbit is a scammer, I agreed with that. As at is now, many bitcoiners in this forum has raised alarm towards 1xbit fraudulent activities, you find it difficult to believe. You're just like 1xbit because it comes to your time of rescue when you so much need money. Nothing much. To you, money first before prestige. Don't let the love of money dirt what you stand for. Covering 1xbit won't gain people trust ever again. Try and get that fact to your head

You're the one being selfish. The majority members here agree that 1xbit is a scam company, but you ignore the sentiment of the community in favor of your own profit. If you've been robbed of your coins ^{what did you expect from a scammers like 1xbit?}, why do you keep promoting them? You say you didn't join willingly; did someone force you to do so? You knew exactly what you were doing when you decided to promote 1xbit scam, so don't play the victim card here.

You are wrong, unless you consider players who deposit a few hundred dollars to be high rollers.
See that all Bitcointalk complaints are about $500- $700. The vast majority of them are written in the same style and are about live betting on tennis table. They are simply scammers who take advantage of the delay in updating the result. (Not all complaints, of course, but most)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtsiding - this article does not deal with this particular situation but explains the basics of this scam.

If you have an example of highroller complaint, please provide it.

the fact that they pay you $9 regularly is no measure of their good business.
how much of your money do you risk with them? your stance here is based on the $9 they pay you, seriously?

Do you really think that $9 in your pocket is a stronger argument than many accusations against 1xbit?
In the end, you will be paid for this topic, where you defend them directly. if you ^{and other 1xbit promoters} don't see a problem here, then it's quite justified all red marks on your profiles.

1xbit closed my account and stole 1.2+ BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277227) 10 ETH/12000€
1xbit account locked after tried to withdraw about 4 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5257804) 4 BTC
1XBIT - 59 ETH MISSINGS - ALL BETS CANCELLED - ACCOUNT BLOCKED (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2160655) 59 ETH

Is this enough for you?

It's only your assumption to determine the complainer have same writing style which you think they're same person who want to cheat 1xbit, but you don't have any 100% proof of it. The 100% proof of they were a cheater is look at their IP, but since 1xbit is scammer... why should I trust his words?

OP, would you get paid more by creating this thread?
did you get your payment smoothly?
if you get a decent payment, don't you think the money you get is the result of fraud committed by 1xbit against its members?
By continuing to promote the scammer's platform, you are helping them to cheat more. please think.
they haven't tricked you, because you are part of 1xbit's strategy to get more victims. until later, you will get your turn.

What's too late? Stop helping scammers spin their shit?
It is never too late to realize that you are doing something wrong. I again crawl into your posts and see the hope that sounds in the words:

When do you think this will happen? When will 1xbit stop the signature campaign here? Or When they stop paying you, and you quickly change your shoes and start throwing mud at them? After all, the only thing that worries you is your well-being.

So that I don't get on your nerves, it's time to stop writing daily nonsense and finally think that not everything in life can be bought for money. Life is a boomerang, today you help to deceive by promoting scams. Tomorrow you will be deceived.

In addition to what was already shown by @Jawhead999, I found another example where the user is damaged for 0.10 BTC, and it is not about any newbie, it is a Legendary member with a solid reputation. Therefore, all this speculation that someone intentionally wants to destroy the reputation of that company is not convincing at all.

They were problematic before, they are problematic today, and will probably remain so in the future - the only good thing is that all those who promoted them will destroy their reputation irrevocably and will not be able to participate in any signature campaign when these scammers finally leave the forum.

1xbit stole my winnings almost 1 year ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267919.0)

Sorry but that's Fox News logic.

You can't just say a website is not a scammer because it hasn't scammed you personally.

What about the dozens of other scammed users who have complained about that site?

Quite frankly, if everyone followed your logic of not seeing scam websites as scams (as long as they themselves don't get scammed by them), then that would be insulting to the people who went though all the effort to prepare documents, articles, infographics warning people to stay away from scams. Because then who's going to listen?

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Don't trust the guy you're quoting about 1xbit matters because I caught him red-handed changing 1xbit info on Wikipedia a couple days ago (check his trust feedback for details).

Of course, he gets paid for each eligible post with his signature.
The OP is certainly aware of what problems he has with promoting scammers, but he's reluctant to admit he's not really helping scammers because he's not one of them (according to him). Basically whoever helps the scammer operate then he is also a part of the scammer and he cant avoid it. I don't trust the OP even though in general he could have posted something constructive beforehand.

I don't really have a problem about the points you're all making about this particular matter but you have failed to understand that I said it was done out of ignorance and I never knew directly the implications of taking the actions I made but finally when I discovered, it was too late because I was already negatively-tagged, do I still have a choice??
So you are just coming around to taunt me for a common mistake? I'm I gonna revoke my actions when I don't have a choice?
Please it's high time we grew up

'Not all 1xbit promoters are scammers'? More like “Not all dogs are canines”  :D
Moreover, coming from 1xbit scam promoter. Folks, this here has to be one of the most delusional posts this year.

1xbit is the mother of scam currently when it comes to online casinos, the large number of negative independent reviews on the web gives a clue of how many victims they have scammed over the past few years.
If you are a promoter or facilitator of a widely known scam, then you are also part of the scam. You are a scammer.

Are you that self-centered that you don't believe something or someone is harmful simply because they haven't harmed you?  Seriously, are you a teenager?

In general, that's true, and I'd say it's particularly relevant for sites like Changelly and some others which have a few scam accusations here and there, and some of them haven't been followed up on.  But regarding 1xbit.com, there's ample evidence to suggest that they're nothing but a scam--and the community has acted accordingly.

If you got tagged for promoting them after the consensus was reached to that effect, you fully deserve it.  No amount of text wall pleading is going to change that.

what do you mean you didn't have a choice? when they negatively tagged your account you could've left the campaign and worked on getting your negative tagged removed by showing that you didn't know the reputation 1xbit had here in the forum.

For a moment I thought you meant @SyGambler, but his trust is in the green - and as for the people who promote that scam (including the member you mention), of course, I don't trust any of them willing to sell their reputation for a few $. I just wonder how many of these accounts were actually bought by 1xbit, and they use them for advertising and to justify their actions.

Here's a task for our forum detectives to try to find where the signature campaign money is actually going - maybe back to where it came from?

Lol.  I was referring to Erdogan ;D

I would never say that about SyGambler. We are local board & gambling buddies after all (and hasn't even posted in this thread as far as I can see).


That would definitely be advertising fraud since money would be going back to a bunch of sockpuppet accounts controlled by them.

But I don't see that happening with the newbie manager (CryptoGoonie I think is his name), it would probably be something that among forum users, only @manager_1xbit would be complicit to.

So it's all about you again. Based on what you say, you don't regret the fact that your actions help proven scammers, but because you were negatively tagged for it? That's very self-obsessed of you.


And yet, you still continue to wear the 1xbit signature...

I will decline it since I am fully aware that they are con artists, and there are far too many other ways to seek assistance without supporting a scam site in order to profit from the money stolen from innocent gamers. You could have gone down to the local board and asked for assistance if you needed it. I believe that's why there are local boards; we've helped a few members in the past..

The answer is still no! Situations shouldn't change who you are, and your country isn't at war, so I'm still perplexed as to why you chose to promote 1xbit. I was hoping you'd rise through the ranks and become useful but you chose the wrong path, trading your reputation for money.
 
That's the same as denying the existence of death and despising death bodies because you haven't experienced it.

There are multiple open scam accusations against them on the forum, with transaction proof, but they don't mean anything to you.

Being a Legendary member is not by appointment - everyone started from scratch to where they are today no one had it the easy way.

 Hmm, you've choosed not to. I started this account and every contingencies to revolt my actions, though it wasn't purposeful but the problem is:
If I decide to do that today, will my tags be removed? No! So what the need? I would really love those tags to be removed, seriously
You ain't trying to be rude right? Or are you?
What does being a teenager got to do with my post and how does it relate to your replies? Ew!

@igehhh
You claimed that you spoke to me 'bout my actions and I refused to change. Did you ever make mention of offering any help if the need arises? Did you borther to ask me why I did so?
I haven't seen any place in the local board that says y'all have donated to someone who is really sick of an infirmity before apart from contributing for Becky's burial . Ew!
 I thought you had a clever mindset to change people, so why didn't you do the proper thing?
Apart from @brainboss and a few more, I haven't directly had dealings with you in person so I don't believe that would have worked.
I'm still gonna get rid of the red tags and do the proper thing when this tumult is over ! @lovesmayfamilis, get ready to pull your tags outta my account as promised because I might decide to change anytime soon!
Trojane❣️

True. They are indeed not all scammers. The problem is, they are promoting scammers for personal gain. Does that deserve a flag? No. Does it deserve a red tag? Depends.

The logic here is, if a guy can promote a scam casino for any personal gain, it very well may scam you for something else. Obviously the participants don't care about their trust ratings. If they did, they wouldn't join the campaign.

Giving them neutral tags would be just going too easy on them so... They are getting the red.

The red tag isn't just for the user, it also acts as a warning not to trust the signature. If I'd manage a signature campaign, I wouldn't want the brand to be associated with negative feedback. It's a big warning to anyone to stay away. The user may not directly be a scammer, but the warning is still justified.

Nobody owns you anything, so if you're having difficulties, speak up and wait to see if aid arrives. You haven't made any progress on the two issues I discussed with you. (Format for quoting and writing)

Only those who are willing to change can be helped or changed. I've made my contributions to the local board; I'm the third most generous merit giver on the local board, as well as one of the bad asses because I've given out the most redtag to some of our local members who came to the forum with the wrong mindset - our country's image must be preserved at all costs.

Your chances of regaining your reputation are nil ( 0) Do not be fooled; if you do not change your thinking, you will likely attract more negative tag. Nobody opposes you, so don't oppose yourself.

People projecting 1xbit most of them might be free from scam but this people is the reason why people is being scam, calling 1xbit scam all participating right there are all scammer, we don't have to separate them, they knew that the signature campaign has issued yet they apply for it, for the little basic knowledge all are promoting the rate of scm

You shoot yourself in both knees this way, of course figuratively speaking - because you literally admit that you will promote scam while you benefit from it, and then you may decide to change and be a better person. You may be able to remove one red tag, but I doubt you'll ever be able to remove it all - once you lose your reputation this way, it stays forever.

I agree with what the OP said that not all the company in the subject promoter are scammer but technically they are scammer since they decided to work for the company with a lot of fix accusations and this remind of a quote which says "If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity."
This is what the forum users did by tagging every promoter of the company as scammer.

Help scam site spread the word to get more victims, then anyone can be considered a scammer.

In the real world, if you help a robber hide after committing his crime, then you will also be punished with severe punishment. You should never get involved in a case that is known and identified as a scam because you need to know what the consequences will be. Anyway, I've flagged most of them ^{[personal consumption, they can't be trusted].}

It is what it is. I wonder why the OP still wants to play innocent after promoting scamming casino company when in real world there's always a penalty for people that help thieves to execute their activities in stealing from innocent people.
What surprised me is that there are many threads created in the beginners and help which is more than enough to help the newbies thrive in this forum especially "Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115291.0)" created by CryptopreneurBrainboss is enough to save newbies from campaign issue.

honestly i prefer to leave neutral feedback for people that are promoting this scam casino, leave negative feedback Is still very exaggerated, negative feedback should be used on the scammers account (the casino manager), Is my opinion, i hate this casino because he's been cheating and robbing a lot of people,  i also don't think it's right for anyone to promote them but i still think it's very cruel to leave feedback on the account of all campaign participants, neutral would be good

A (temporary) negative accompanied by some short reasoning to leave the campaign: sure, some people may not be actively aware of all their forum actions but if they continue to market literal scams with awareness and intention, who else can be blamed?

I'd say that anyone promoting a service should be willing to use it, and I'm fairly certain that the promoters of 1xbit wouldn't be willing to deposit their signature funds into the site.

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Beyond everything else, feedback of all kinds are already sent extremely liberally due to the sheer size of DefaultTrust. Trust values have been diluted greatly and future behavior should either try to correct this or try to embrace it. The current mixture of shifting members is creates a range of weights when it comes to the network.

I'm not putting a red tag on some of the members who promoted 1XBIT, but putting a tag on promoters who think that 1XBIT did not scam anyone and all are false accusations and that it is right to promote 1XBIT and justifying openly that it's ok to promote 1XBIT, based on your post these people who filed complaints are the one in fault because they filed complaints when all these complaints are complete with proofs and screenshots, you should ashamed of yourself for defending 1XBIT by creating a thread like this.

Unfortunately, the OP has its clear position of being right. Look at his recent posts. He is desperate to keep promoting this scam. Speaking of honesty and decency, not all people, unfortunately, have a correct understanding of these definitions. Your wellbeing is paramount.
But I see that the number of its negative tags is growing. Therefore, his theme of convincing and accusing us of being cruel to such harmless people as the OP loses all meaning. He will not find allies in understanding here.

They don't want to cheat their campaign participants, even though they play there 1xbit, for that you are never tricked directly, he is targeting users outside the forum or beginners.

Proving that the 1xbit site is committing fraud is not based on bullshit, many users have complained on this forum and 1xbit admits it and some of their funds have been refunded, some of them don't ignore it, which is the big problem 1xbit site is labeled as a fraud it happens over and over again almost every day users lose their money almost the same case.

If what happened between 1xbit and their users is 1 or 2 cases and it is resolved, maybe people don't conclude they are cheating, but fraud is being carried out by 1xbit sites every day, this is the case, and so are you, because you promote their site you automatically invite users into their black hole, deceptive conclusion.

After your bold ranting about your reputable last year- lol even the worst Sig campaign in the forum could not accommodate you in their campaign even after you defended them and created a thread clearly shows you are the enemy of yourself and the people you sold your reputation for are unwilling to accept you back! When you role with the wrong niggas, this is what you get. I did my best to help but you took the wrong turn

In 2021

Funny he didn't even bother to check that the campaign was full and doesn't accept new members before applying. It just confirms how desperate he is to get another dollar from those scammers with his throwaway account. There is no help for him.

Yeah, but you are an enabler to a proven scammer so what's the difference? You're statement literally translates to " It's not my fault that I promote them even though they are a scammer." That's the only way around it, and don't try to twist it around. An enabler is as bad as the perpetrator.

Let us be Wise enough, saying every one working with 1xbit is not a scam we just encouraging scam more, because outside the forum 1xbit is know as a scam company and they are well known for outside community and if people working with them will know All these and continue to work with 1xbit that means they are promoting the scam of the company. I want us to know that they are all scammer because their reputation is damaged already, if not that the forum doe not push signature came 1xbit suppose leave until they clear their reputation

He lost everything because of desperation, and those who are still promoting 1xbit will not regret it until the campaign ends, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later. He was the only 1xbit user in my local without my tag on his profile, and I had a 1% trust that he would do the right thing, but that didn't happen. It's pointless to tag him right now.

I understand what you're saying but did you read to understand my point? Because was first 7 words were used to pull the OP legs.
Aside from that, tbh.
Outside this forum, only a few people know that 1xbit is a scam company and if you notice most of their victim statements lately you know that they were introduced to the scam site outside the forum. An example is blockchair which also advertises this scam site before they take it down.

@OP: so let me get this straight: you think you shouldn't be called a scammer by promoting a scam because you feel entitled to it. I don't think so.
So you live in a shitty country. So do I.
But you're in a bad situation. So  am I. I've been unemployed since April  2020, and I'm literally desperate. Yet I don't cheat others just because I'm in a bad shape.

If there's one single thing I love about this forum, that's precisely the trust system. I've visited a 1xbit thread, and I love the fact I was warned before falling for it, and I'm grateful to those that took their time to report the scam for others' benefit.

Here's a few tips you can follow:

1. If you don't want to be called a scammer, don't scam.
2. If you have a problem, find an honest solution to it. There's always one, as difficult to find as it may be.
3. If you wanna have other people's trust, earn it. There's a saying in Spanish: "La verdad es un arbol de raices amargas, pero de frutos dulces" ("Truth is a tree with bitter roots, but sweet fruit"). Follow it. You will find out the fruit justifies the roots, every time.
4. Don't whine. If something bothers you, find the appropriate way to fix it.
5. The fact that "you haven't been scammed" by somebody doesn't mean they haven't scammed others.  
6. You have problems. EVERYBODY has problems, but they don't feel entitled to harm others to solve them.
7. Every time you scam (or help scam) somebody, there's a HUMAN BEING in the other end that has been hurt because of you. Does that sound acceptable to you?

Ye that's a good point but I don't think it earns you the right to save everyone else other than you first whom you don't even know. (If you're doing that then your going against your own nature and that's lying to yourself)

Think of it this way.

Cigarettes kill and shopkeepers are still allowed to sell those.

Do you do anything about the life of others in your local since you made this point ->


I doubt that.
It's easy to swing the justice sword on this forum because you'll not get in trouble in real life.

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Now -

Do I think it's good to smoke?
- I wouldn't suggest anyone to but I can't force them since it's written on the Ciggratte pack (It can kill)
Just like the gambling website says - "You can lose money"

Do the masses tell the government to ban cigarettes because it's dangerous? because the masses are [human beings]
- I doubt that.

Do you think it's ok to blame someone who's selling the cigarettes out of desperation for money considering he needs it for family and not for gambling?
- I wouldn't want to be the judge of that (Maybe you can)

Can the government do anything to the gambling website or cigarette company that has stated the warning or Terms and conditions beforehand?
- I don't think so.

On a side note: It's not the job of the government to deal with the perception of the masses unless they stand a chance to challenge their control.
But do you think the majority of Human Beings would be willing to stand up against it?
Because it will help everyone or Only care about the people they know and leave the matter altogether because it's not their fight? (I believe this one has the highest probability from my life's experience)

@BernyJB, very well said, but if I may suggest, don't feed the troll... That dude has some serious issues ^{[reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367244.msg58253062#msg58253062)]} and I wouldn't engage in a discussion with him. This is probably just a rant about the negative trust that he has gained as a result of his stupid actions on the forum. So, ignoring him is the best way to deal with him.

His arguments are quite accurate and it's hard to disagree with them. I'm a little surprised you don't even try to answer it. It seems you prefer to just rely on information from other people and just like a lamb to repeat what other people say. If you ignore the discussion, you may simply not be able to live up to its high level. Just saying..

I thought long and hard before posting, because I didn't want my post to become politicized. And here we go...  ::)
But let's go a step further. How about Heroin? Opium? Plutonium? Do you think it's ok for somebody to sell a truckload of semtex, just because they state they're "desperate"?
The law is an (albeit clumsy) method of typifying actions that may be hurtful to others. Sure, you may argue it's far from perfect, but it's the best we have. Last time I checked, running a scam was against the law.
And no, since I posted I haven't moved a finger to hurt anybody.


Well, maybe you're very young, but yes, it's the masses that forced the governments of the whole world, actually (not only the US) to move against cigarettes. They may not have been entirely successful in getting them banned, but they sure got a lot of legislation going.


Let me ask you this: do you think is ok to cite "desperation" as a justification for committing a crime? Besides most (if not all) legal systems in the world specifically saying it's not a valid legal argument (with very few exceptions), do you think is ok for somebody to cause the same (or worse) desperation on another human being, "just because" they're having a hard time?
And yes, as somebody who has been in really bad shape many times, and who has been offered illegal "solutions" countless times, I think I can definitely be the judge of it.
I've been unemployed for over a year and a half, had a stroke last year (that doctors have, so far, refused to treat, so my "treatment" is an aspirin a day, and a 60 block walk every night), I'm down to one meal a day (as I've been for over a year now), and lost 18kgs (39 Lbs) body weight. Yet there's not a single soul on this planet who can claimed I moved a finger to  hurt them in any way, unless they tried to hurt me.  

Can the government do anything about cigarettes? Sure, as I said, they already did. True, they didn't do quite enough in some people's view (including mine), because unfortunately Big Tobacco (same as Big Pharma and others) is a very powerful lobby, and acted to limit those laws against them, but the difference in the last few decades is undeniable.

FatFork: yeah, you're right (sorry, I don't know how to quote multiple posts). It just irks me to no end to see people trying to seek sympathy for that stuff. Victimizers playing victims. Ties up at the top with people claiming "ignorance" of the law. True, I should stop doing it. It only upsets me, and doesn't change a thing.