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Summary:


The judge effectively ruled for COPA (claimant) and against CSW (defendant) on both issues.

The claims that CSW wanted the judge to remove purport to show several instances of CSW either forging or doctoring documents that he had used to support his claim of being Satoshi. While these do not prove that CSW is not Satoshi, they certainly diminish his credibility in the case, and make it more difficult for him to support his claim with what can reasonably considered to be hearsay evidence.

The judge did put limits on how the decisions by the judge in the U.S. Kleiman trial can be used in this case. Basically, the U.S. judge's opinion that CSW committed perjury and forged documents cannot be used, but the facts used by the judge to come to those conclusions could be used.

Great find OP and this is certainly going to get very interesting.
The Judge has mentioned forgery on several occasions in regards to CSW’s evidence that he is Satoshi
 
The Sartre message- Quote from the Judge “ I have some difficulty in accepting this. If the provided signature was one which was publicly available in the blockchain, rather than one which corresponded to the private key associated with block nine of the Bitcoin blockchain, then it could not have been provided as a proof that the defendant was Satoshi (which was what was put forward) but could only be a forgery of such a signature. Whather it was put forward as a proof of being Satoshi Nakamoto is a matter for trial. So, forgery is in issue.”

The BlackNet Abstract - Quote from Judge “ Forgery is again in issue.“

The Kleiman email of 12 March 2008 - Quote from Judge “ Once more, whether that is the true explanation, or whether it is a simple forgery, is a matter for trial.“

“these issues will have to be resolved at trial. In particular, I consider that the claimant, in complying with the relevant pleading rules, is entitled to put these cases forward as cases of forgery, even though the defendant argues that they have innocent explanations.”

Innocent explanations ! Damn Lies !

Luckily this judge appears to understand blockchain and how it works.

Keep us updated OP when and if this goes to court  :)

Yeah definitely keep this updated. I’m desperate to see that POS get what he deserves. It’s about time he was consigned to the history books for what he is, a liar & a fraudster.

I am not a lawyer or have extensive experience with reading such court documents. Perhaps you (or someone else smarter than me) could let me know if my interpretation here is correct. I'm looking specifically at paragraphs 64, 66, and 67 of the link OP has shared.

It seems that COPA want to force CSW to produce proof that he controls the addresses within the Tulip Trust which he has claimed to control, since everyone knows he is full of shit and won't be able to prove any such thing. CSW objected to this on the basis that it would cause him "undue burden", and the judge has thrown out his objection, saying that this is "exactly what must be faced".

Does this mean we are finally going to a get a court order to force CSW to sign a message/move some coins, and then rule against him for being a liar and fraud when he can't?

I’m not a lawyer either but I think what the judge is saying is that - proof he owns the addresses would make his claims to be Satoshi a lot stronger . I don’t think the judge can ‘ force ‘him to sign a message .
We could definitely do with some comments on this thread by some members who are legally minded  :)

Sure. "Force" is the wrong word, but they can certainly order him to sign a message and then rule against him when he will predictably fail to do so.

Don't forget that when he first claimed to be Satoshi he did "provide cryptographic proof" (which was fake and was pretty fast found out to be fake).
The point is... is there a risk the judge could be fooled by such a proof? Because if it's so, we may face a huge fiasco.
(You know.. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worse"...)

From the document shared by OP, it seems the judge is well aware of CSW's history of lies, fraud, tricks, cover ups, forgeries, and so on, so it seems unlikely this would be the case. I'm also fairly sure COPA would require any proof to be made available to them as well for examination, and would therefore be able to point out where CSW had tried to lie to the court.

CSW probably knows all this, though, which is why he tried and failed to file an objection against the requirement for proof.

If someone asked me what I would like more for a New Year's gift, Faketoshi in prison or a new $100k ATH, I would definitely choose this first - some things are worth more than any money. A few days ago I just wrote that I would like someone to oppose this lying bastard, and this is really great news for the end of the year. I know he won't go to jail (for now), but maybe this is the first step in that direction.

We know that Faketoshi will never be able to sign messages from addresses that he claims are his, because someone did it some time ago and without a doubt showed who is lying and who is telling the truth.

If you haven't read to the end, as far as I understand we Faketoshi complained because his title of doctor (which for some is controversial) is not included in the final text of the conclusion. Kudos to the judge for refusing to change documents just to make CW a doctor - so not only did he lose this battle, but he was left without a doctorate :D

LOL..I love these judges.

He effectively rejected everything that the liar has been doing. I hope Poor Craigie finds out that it is not so easy to bamboozle actual judges than newbies and poor third worlders who make a beeline for him hoping to have some kind of returns on their BSV shit.

@Lucius already pointed out the most fun part of this decision. He literally trolled Poor Craigie by plainly refusing the childish insistence on being addresses as "Dr."...LOL, WTF..

This was a good read and I truly, deeply hope that this manipulative liar gets the kind of treatment that he actually deserves from a court of law. Although it won't make a difference to the crackpot, hopefully the English judge will be more direct and to-the-point in his words to call him a forgerer and a fraud. This seems to be heading that way considering that he made it a point that all of those topics were to be a decision on forgery and not "innocent claims".

Thank you COPA and the people behind it. Much Love and a Happy New year..

Falsifying emails sounds so low, and yet Craig clearly gave it a shot to prove that he is Satoshi. I hope the trial will establish that it was a forgery and, hopefully, Craig will have to take responsibility for this crime. Then again, I kinda thought that he already lost some trials before and was asked to provide half of the money to Kleiman's family, and that's how the whole Tulip Trust fantasy came to be. So, clearly, trials can take a long time, and then there can be new trials if new evidence is put forward, and it's also possible to appeal the decision... So I'm not particularly hopeful about this news, but at least it's something in the right direction.

No, unfortunately, there won't be a court order, the judge allowed this to be considered in the trial, which CSW opposed to but there is no way to force him to prove ownership of those, his inability to produce evidence might get considered but the judge will not rule on it. As he stated, if CSW would be able to counter the claims with actual proof that would be to his advantage but since he has tried to get rid of that it's obvious he can't.
One would need a separate case for this.

But I do love this:

Forgery, dishonesty, he's on a good start, too bad this can't send him to prison

COPA 1  –  0 Faketoshi
Faketoshi cult supporters are now on rollercoaster of emotion from ecstasy when he fooled them all when he had to pay $100 million in his previous Kleinman case (claiming it's victory) and now this.
He even asked that judge and everyone call him with a title ''doctor'' :D and judge refused doing that, just confirming how big crazy ego maniac he is.
I think that next trial for him is in January in Norway, and he is going to be nuked there with another gig loss, but he can always proclaim to his followers that he won...
Waiting for more reports and statements, it's going to be interesting and fun next few days/weeks this holiday season.

Why is this guy fond of forging documents all the time? This is like the second or third time that I’m seeing that he forged a document. There has also been a time when he forged a document and people found out, now he’s doing again.

This is going to make people not to believe him any longer. If he was truly the Satoshi Nakamoto, then he wouldn’t be trying to forge anything at all, he would be able to prove himself without stress. The real Satoshi would have proven himself without having to go this far at all, that’s if he wants to. With the things this guy has done so far, there is nothing he can do to convince me that he’s the Satoshi Nakamoto.

I don't know if there are individuals who are believing on CSW's claims. Because here in the forum, we know that he is like the laughing stock and we know that he is a fraud. But for others, if he will show this attitude to the public, people will slowly see his egomaniac, fraudulent image. If you are resorting to forging, then, that means, you are trying to deceive people by trying to imitate the original owner.

People who believe in Faketoshi could be divided into several groups :

• In the first group, I would put those who for some reason do not like Bitcoin, but also want the central figure behind the project.
• In the second group I would put those who do not understand the difference between Bitcoin and any fork, and blindly believe in court decisions in favor of Faketoshi.
• The third group just wants to buy a cheap coin, and everything in the name contains Bitcoin, and it costs a few hundred dollars is a good opportunity for them.

A forum is a specific place where there are members who have experience and knowledge, and their opinion is respected. Therefore, it is quite logical that Faketoshi was exposed in his intentions from the very beginning - but everything outside the forum is a completely different story, everything is full of clickbait articles with content that is often sensational, but mostly full of inaccuracies and speculations.

The Law Society Gazette

Bitcoin 'inventor' claim to be tested following admissibility ruling - By Michael Cross - 24 December 2021
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/bitcoin-inventor-claim-to-be-tested-following-admissibility-ruling/5111017.article (https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/bitcoin-inventor-claim-to-be-tested-following-admissibility-ruling/5111017.article)

'... The Gazette understands that the full trial will not take place before 2023.'

Nice update and certainly makes things a bit clearer on what it all means in layman’s terms - Jeez I fell down a proper rabbit hole over the last 24 hrs with this and all the legal jargon  :)
But ffs - 2023 ! A lot could happen in the next year or so- including more court cases envovling CSW !
Again keep us updated OP  :)

It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it what you 'know' that just ain't so.
- Mark Twain (paraphrased)

I chortled.

See all y'all next year.

That's not possible I think. How can the judge be fooled, by fake signature? Judge seems to have some good hands on cryptography and of course, he will have his home work.
This is what I read from the article-

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.
As for the case itself, I think faketoshi is going to loose some other things between now and then, and loose this one too. Then just slowly fade away while scamming his followers out of more money.

-Dave

Because he is unable to provide a single shred of authentic evidence.

Well, unless he decides to run away because he knows he will lose: https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1474055810334474245. Maybe he just needs more time to produce more forgeries. ::)

No doubt the cult will somehow spin this in to a win for CSW.

I just thought the opposite when it comes to the US, that justice is much faster than in some EU countries. I can't say how long a court proceeding lasts in an individual EU member state, but in my country, which is riddled with corruption, court proceedings take years, and when a verdict is finally reached, the higher instance (Supreme Court) can easily get everything back to square one.


When he exhausts all the possibilities in the courts in US&UK, he will probably find another country and start all over again. There are countries (https://www.ccn.com/craig-wright-declared-satoshi-nakamoto/) where Faketoshi is officially recognized as Satoshi, and when we know how corrupt the countries of Central and South America are, I would not be surprised if Faketoshi buys a few more certificates that he can take with him to the toilet ;)

While I've basically noticed that from the first outcome of the trial, I would not rely solely on the judge, since I've seen strategies to move the trial to a different judge for various reasons.
On the other side, this gave me some hope:

if we assume the above statement to be true, which is just an assumption, why would that mean bitcoin sv is a scam?

I normally don't read Ayre's repugnant propaganda rag, but I had a peek out of sheer morbid curiosity.  They're effectively saying "the battle has only just begun" and that COPA's defeat is only a matter of time.  ::)  

At this stage, I can't tell whether they genuinely believe what they're writing or not.   ;D

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Because everything about the way it is promoted is a lie.  If they had just stuck with something along the lines of "We have ideological differences with the way in which Bitcoin is developed, so we are forging our own path because we believe this is how it should work", I suspect most people would be relatively okay with that.  But instead, they went with "This coin is endorsed by satoshi nakamoto.  He is the figurehead of our movement and we are guided by his will, so you should want the same things we do", which is clearly false, manipulative and downright offensive.

Imagine this was done in the art world.  "This piece was painted by <insert artist here> and continues to extend upon their earlier catalogue of work".  Except it's not by that artist at all.  We would call that a forgery.  Forgeries are a type of scam.  You would call anyone attempting to sell that forgery a scammer.  It wouldn't matter how good the forgery was, whether it took a certain amount of talent or skill to create, or even whether it served any useful purpose.  The fact that it is a forgery overrides any of that.  Because people value integrity.  

That project and its supporters have no integrity.  

As long as the judge will rule on accepting any applications to the lawsuit, like the one added by COPA and the one refused for faketoshi, it can go on for quite a while, this is a civil lawsuit between two parties and to furthermore add to the delays is the fact that there has been no application or claim that the copyright claim carries any financial advantage so basically, there is no loss for the claimant,  nor would the situation change in case of any accidents that might happen to either the claimant or the defendant.

With every application that is filled and accepted the judge must offer one side the time to file against it so this could drag for a while until simply the judge stops amending anything, at that point, the ruling will come pretty fast, but now it's more like a tennis game.


Statically yeah, developed countries from the Anglosphere and Asian courts have the shortest trials, with Eastern and Southern Europe the longest but...when it comes to crypto, as usual, things are more like the exception, for example, the MtGox case that was almost a complete failure, if it weren't for the price rise it would have been the worst "rehabilitation" plan in history.

And with Faketoshi being the slippery weasel he is, that will no doubt add to the length of proceedings as well.  Chances are, it's in Faketoshi's interests to drag things out as long as possible, because it's more time in the spotlight and potentially a larger number of onlookers giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

Hopefully the judge will cut through his farcical antics fairly quickly.

Court cases in some parts of the US can take YEARS to get through. I dealt with a landlord dispute that started in 2008 and ended in 2016.
My ex GF had a case that went on for close to 9 years between delays, change of lawyers, change of judge (voted out), another judge (retired).
I always thought that this was just a US think, never knew it went on elsewhere. No idea why.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
Yes, if this goes on for years he is going to keep bilking his followers out of tons of money. The only thing that will save them is if his coin falls to nothing or the blockchain implodes rendering it useless.
But, in the end I think he will loose, and I also think people will keep following him.

-Dave

Craig Wright loves to be popular in a most dubious way. It has always been established that he is an imposter, this judgement is further reviling his dubious character. Why can't he just relax and work on his shit project than always dragging the bitcoin community? He can prove nothing.

makes sense. thanks for laying it out.

The Register: Bitcoin 'inventor' will face forgery claims over his Satoshi Nakamoto proof, rules High Court
https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/06/craig_wright_satoshi_nakamoto_forgery_claims/ (https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/06/craig_wright_satoshi_nakamoto_forgery_claims/)

'A man who claims to be the secret inventor of Bitcoin has failed in a legal bid to throw out a High Court lawsuit saying he's talking tosh – and will be accused of forging proof he is Satoshi Nakamoto.'

A summary for those, who are new here.

Another update in the case is viewable here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BLkVxG1wtvzEQeByFGUFYfzWTkvihqie/

The TL;DR is that devs have won a ruling which states that CSW must pay a security deposit to cover their legal costs up front, since the judge ruled she has "reason to believe" that CSW "will be unable to pay the defendants’ costs if ordered to do so."

Also, two particularly hilarious snippets:
So Satoshi only had one copy of all the private keys for ~1 million bitcoin, which he stored on one single hot wallet, with no back ups and terrible security precautions. And then the hackers, after completing one of the biggest heists of all time and who are now holding the keys to $40 billion worth of bitcoin, have decided not to spend a single satoshi. ::)

For those who don't know, nChain is run by CSW and Calvin Ayre. They are actively working to fork BSV to let CSW spend the equivalent of Satoshi's coins on the BSV network, so he can dump them to try to cover some of his escalating legal costs. They might want to do it soon since BSV continues to hit new all time lows. If for some crazy reason you are holding any BSV, better sell it soon.

It seems quite strange how this guy keeps on dragging what doesn’t belong to him. Or does this really belong to him? I am really fed up with Craig Wright’s news, always dragging whether he is Satoshi Nakamoto or not at all. I’m not even believing his claims at all, because there have been so many things to prove that he is not who he claims to be.

A lot of times he has been caught forging documents, and if he was truly the real Satoshi Nakamoto, then he wouldn’t be forging any form of documents to prove who he is.  Satoshi would have been able to prove who he is without even stressing a bit. It would have been an easy process for him, but since this guy is not the real person, he’s always finding it difficult to claim that he is the one. And I don’t know why he keeps on persisting that he is the one, while it is now becoming clear that he is not.

This thread reads quite well

Looks like the cracks are starting to appear in CSW's claims ?^{we all knew there were there all along}

Everything surrounding CSW is beginning to look way more interesting now,
as @Lucius says he wants to see CSW in prison, I would like it to be a long drawn
out process as the expense of CSW ending in the total ruination of him and his
accomplices.

Are all those private keys supposed to be for the addresses in Block #9 that was mined by Satoshi aka Craig Wright ::) or is he talking about different keys?
So, the digital proof that he is Satoshi is gone, but we should just take his word for it. :D

I wonder whether the court will believe that he had a .txt file named Satoshi (me) private keys deleted from his computer.

He's too deep in his lies now. I'll wager he never thought it would go this far, but if he admits his lies now then he will lose everything he has paying legal costs and still end up in jail. He has no option but to persist.

Apparently he is referring here specifically to keys which were "stolen" from him in the "pineapple WiFi hack", which refers to the keys for the following two addresses:
1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF
12ib7dApVFvg82TXKycWBNpN8kFyiAN1dr

It's become a challenge to keep up with all the different lies for how he has managed to lose the keys for just so many different addresses at different times in different ways from different systems. ::)

He claims he had the only copy of the keys encrypted on that computer, which were stolen in a hack using a suspicious WiFi device which was planted in his house. As soon as he discovered the file was missing, instead of trying to recover it, he immediately formatted the drive, permanently losing access to his keys and destroying all evidence of the "hack". He did this because he is a computer genius. ::)

I have to admit that I haven't stayed up-to-date with what craig (intentionally spelt with a lowercase 'c') has claimed had happened to his coins and the ways in which he was hacked. But keeping only one backup of your private keys on a digital medium seems like something a genius would do. In case of hardware failures or hacks, you should immediately format your system and not attempt to look for or recover the only copy of your private keys that unlocks access to billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin today. Why would you, it's the only copy. That really sounds like Satoshi's vision (pun intended).   

When exactly do they plan to end this case, because they have been dragging it for a long time now? At some point I stopped seeing news about Craig Wright, and I thought that he might have given up on claiming to be satoshi nakamoto, or that maybe everything just ended, but I’m surprised that I just started seeing news about him from late 2021 and till this year now. It’s really bad that he keeps on losing, and there are so many bad claims against him, but he still keeps on persisting to be satoshi nakamoto and keeps extending everything.

Just don’t know why he really doesn’t want to give up, Despite that he doesn’t even have a way to prove that he is the real Satoshi nakamoto, and all the documents he kept providing are just forged documents. This is quite bad.

when CSW is the claimant, his style is that of SLAPP. where by he takes his time making nonsense case updates asking for silly alterations or exemptions to delay things. challenging the wording of the other sides responses. and other silly things

this tactic is usually to force the other party to seek legal advice at each challenge and start costing the other side considerable amounts of money just trying to answer/respond to these silly queries. SLAPP is never about rushing things to trial to get a final verdict. its about delaying(challenging responses) to the case with silly requests to cost the other side money, hoping that the other side gives up and just pays the SLAPPER to go away.

even in the latest case where CSW is now the defendant. he is still doing silly case note challenges trying to suppress evidence even before the proper time of requesting evidence to be suppressed (usually in the trial, during discovery is the appropriate time)

And I can personally attest that franky1 is the forum's foremost expert on utilising that tactic.  He knows what he's talking about.  Faketoshi would be proud.

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It's not just one case.  That's the problem.  There will continue to be fresh cases until Faketoshi runs out of money or ends up behind bars.  Sadly, this isn't going to end any time soon.

Honestly,,, why not just let this stupid guy win and let him go on and make a fool of himself? He is dragging everything through the mud? I know it seems really bad to let the truth slide and allow him to fool others but I always feel like if people are willing to be convinced by him even after going through EVERY single episode of his life and not coming to the conclusion that he is a trickster,,, I mean it seems pretty clear to me he is in the wrong and yet he is still not in jail for fraud?

The current case is CSW demanding that the Core developers fork bitcoin by implementing code to the protocol which would allow CSW to access over 100,000 bitcoin that he does not and has never owned. Although any such fork would obviously be ignored by 99.99% of the community, ultimately making the whole process meaningless since CSW would claim 100,000 bitcoin on the forked chain which would be worth nothing, it's not exactly a precedent we want to set - that courts or individuals can overrule the developers and legislate on how bitcoin should be developed.

If people want to follow this known fraud and get his shitcoin dumped on them, then go right ahead, but we should not be rolling over and letting him interfere with the real bitcoin.

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In another update to the proceedings, this just came through on the bitcoin-dev mailing list: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-January/019741.html

So Jack Dorsey is starting an organization to provide funding for the legal defense of the developers, starting with this current case. I'm not sure how that fits with the ruling I posted above that CSW will have to pay a deposit up front to cover their legal costs, but it's a welcome development nonetheless.

Jack Dorsey announces Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund


https://cointelegraph.com/news/jack-dorsey-announces-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund (https://cointelegraph.com/news/jack-dorsey-announces-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund)
https://cryptonews.com/news/jack-dorsey-co-launch-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund-prepare-wage-legal-war-with-craig-wright.htm (https://cryptonews.com/news/jack-dorsey-co-launch-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund-prepare-wage-legal-war-with-craig-wright.htm)
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/01/12/dorsey-proposes-non-profit-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund-for-developers/ (https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/01/12/dorsey-proposes-non-profit-bitcoin-legal-defense-fund-for-developers/)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dorsey-proposes-non-profit-bitcoin-062710476.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dorsey-proposes-non-profit-bitcoin-062710476.html)

He is top fraudster among all of them and end up with all his net worth also being consumed in these legal hearings but what he is expecting will never happen because he is not the owner of those million coins and we all know the fact.

The same thing is biggest proof is the keys to prove the ownership and he can't even sign a message from that address and still believes that we would believe him? The clown has few audience like him but won't be entertaining them long so it's best to watch what stupidity he comes up with next.There was one such thread in which i mentioned about faketoshi CSW through a meme to the community and here it is :


Have a look at full thread here : Faketoshi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378762.msg58831922#msg58831922)

We all need to help COPA in matching up the legal expenses to expose this fraudster to the whole public and tell that he can't manipulate the court of law even with money power because the Bitcoin doesn't care at all and that's why decentralisation has taken place.Let him try his best but in the end he is working to prove himself the real clown.

Just posted for bitcointalk folks, if they want to ask that question:

@esiattorney
Where can more volunteer and part-time lawyers sign up?

@UltraRat3
Same question.  Happy to assist.

@jack answered: (source: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1481242677236707329 (https://twitter.com/jack/status/1481242677236707329))
Email address at end of note is best place to start

(info at bitcoindefensefund.org)

boring poke. bear didnt bite. it just yawned. not even the kardashians would be proud of your social drama attempts.
you are just not that important for people to care about your personal thoughts outside your friend group.
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funnily enough DooMAD has actually attempted this trick multiple times first, which intrigued me to learn more about tactics of people like DooMAD and faketoshi.. funnier part is that DooMAD and faketoshi dont like it when their tactics are reversed on them..

.. may the bitcoin defence fund continue to annoy faketoshi, even use faketoshi's tactics against him. or just out his tactics publicly for all to see.
such as getting him to admit that the 2016 'signature reveal' was actually a publicly available 2009 signature unrelated to messages faketoshi made (yep he finally admitted it in court records)

Thank you for the explanation,,, I must admit when I read it I did not realize it was this serious. You are right that even if he has access it is meaningless but it is the principle of giving in to one mad man, then any numbers of madmen can do this in the future.

Was there not a fund also set up for Cobra previously,,, did that money get put to use? I would happily contribute a week signature earning to such a cause. We are little people but we know what is right.

There was a thread created by LFC_Bitcoin here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5332996.0) appealing for donations, but I do not believe there was formal fund set up. Although it seems Cøbra did seek out legal advice, he never actually went to court since by doing so he would have to reveal his real identity, and it was clear that whole court case was just a ploy by CSW to try to obtain that information and use it to attack and hurt Cøbra. I'm therefore not sure what legal fees, if any, he sustained.

This current case is different since the developers have been named and will likely have significant expenses in defending themselves from these sham accusations.

Great attitude to have! The email from Dorsey says they are not looking for donations at the moment. A quick web search puts Dorsey's net worth at somewhere between $8 and $15 billion, depending on the source, so if he is bank rolling this himself then he should have things covered for a while.

CSW has to pay £70,000 to COPA in legal costs by February 22nd

Anyone got any more information or any links to the actual hearing where this was awarded?
(Can’t find it at the mo )

https://coingeek.com/judge-calls-copa-claimed-legal-costs-excessive-reduces-award-by-33/

Here you go: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2022/242.html

It's not as clear cut as that, though: COPA were claiming for £120,000, while the judge awarded them £70,000, due mainly to discrepancies in the number of hours they claim have been spent on the case by various lawyers.

Thanks for that  :)
An interesting read actually - nothing about the case as such - more about the fact that the Lawyers/Solicitors are making a fortune out of the case - no change there  :)
Judge seemed thoroughly fed up  :)

That is a separate and unrelated case.

There are currently several cases involving CSW:

1. COPA is suing CSW, forcing him to prove his claims of being Satoshi.
2. CSW is suing various people for defamation.
3. CSW is suing developers, forcing them to modify code to allow transfer of BTC, BCH, and BSV to him without having the private keys.

This topic is about #1. Other cases should be moved to other topics.

Completely. Although I can't help but feel he's missed the point on something:
He seems to think that CSW actually has an interest in the litigation being conductive effectively, and not just drawing things out for as long as possible to both cost the other side as much money as possible and prop up his scam coin for as long as possible. CSW is deliberately making things as inefficient as possible.

This line was also particularly interesting:
I read this as a direct dig at Ontier for not telling CSW how frivolous and stupid some of this satellite litigation is.

Sure, but it's still litigation involving CSW. One thread about this identity thief in Bitcoin Discussion is more than enough.

Bitcoin Developers Do Not Have a Fiduciary Duty to Bitcoin Owners, Judge Rules
https://blockworks.co/bitcoin-developers-do-not-have-a-fiduciary-duty-to-bitcoin-owners-judge-rules/ (https://blockworks.co/bitcoin-developers-do-not-have-a-fiduciary-duty-to-bitcoin-owners-judge-rules/)

London High Court rejects a claim that developers must help access bitcoins from allegedly lost private keys.

Its obvious from the article that

a.) Judge Sarah Falk of the London High Court was well versed in Bitcoin, its development
and operations

and

b.) Judge Falk can see through the very thin cloak over CSW's lies and trickery



I love to see this language being used by someone in authority, this ruling is
another thread unraveling from CSW's web of lies, soon there will be nothing left
to support him.

Here is a link to the ruling: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2022/667.html

Some very interesting/amusing quotes:

Judge openly stating that Wright is seeking to destroy bitcoin for his own ego, just like he is about to destroy what little is left of BSV. What a joke.

That certainly sounds like something Satoshi would say, doesn't it? I'm taking you to court because the software I myself wrote about a decentralized currency doesn't include some centralized mechanism to hand out other people's coins.  ::) ::) ::)

Sounds like CSW is firing off absolute bullshit in his statements despite best advice from his legal team, who are then forced to try to defend his absolute bullshit (or completely ignore it, as in this case). Pretty sure the lawyers know they won't win this, but the money is too good to pass on.

craig wright just keep making the news for all the wrong reasons... >:(

Not about COPA, but known scammer CSW doesn't deserve another thread about him, so I'll just add this in here.

Here is the ruling for the case between Peter McCormack and CSW: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Wright-v-McCormack-Judgment.pdf
The case is CSW suing McCormarck for libel after McCormack repeatedly tweeted that CSW is not Satoshi. (Because we all know that suing people who say things you don't like is exactly the kind of thing we would expect the real Satoshi to do ::)).

Turns out CSW lies. Like, a lot.

I'll stop quoting at that point because it goes on and on for several more pages documenting all his lies. The judge summarizes with these two paragraphs though:

So another waste of everybody's time and money to reach the conclusion that we've all known for years: CSW is full of shit.

In the end he "won",  the judge awarded Wright one British pound (US$1.23) for moral damage

This is very weird, and looks like an insult to faketoshi

https://br.financas.yahoo.com/news/craig-wright-v-peter-mccormack-122610574.html

snippits to explain the case for those that dont like clicking on pdf files


publication 16

judge seen right through CSW SLAPP tactics of poking the bear to cause a debate then use the debate to cry victim and abuse the court system in his babycries
though although mccormack was poked and goaded into calling out CSW lies. mccormack still said the things he did and so..

..verdict.
the quoted publication did cause financial loss to CSW. and so CSW was awarded..... £1 (a candy bar amount)
a fitting award to the manchild of CSW, who can take his lollipop and go away

franky1 summed it up nicely. McCormack is guilty of saying things which hurt CSW's feelings, so technically CSW won on that count. But since CSW is absolutely full of shit, the judge essentially told him to get lost, and awarded him the minimum possible amount in damages.

I also note this tweet from McCormack:
I wonder what else is still going on. I'm not a lawyer, and certainly no expert on UK law, but I hope it is one of two things: The Judge deciding that CSW should pay McCormack's legal costs for wasting his time and money with what has already been established to be outright lies, or McCormack counter-suing CSW for lying to the court.

Im not familiar with Uk’s defamation laws, which of these lines count as defamation exactly? Or is it because of the insults? Or doesnt it matter if what he spoke is true?

id say.
something LEGALLY dead. doesnt move. so because BSV is still wiggling and spasming its not dead dead
also yea. mccormack made an offer ('sue me') which CSW accepted such challenge

the judge did note how CSW did lie, deceive and misrepresent himself many times. so CSW did not win any "truth" judgement. it was purely that mccormack said things which might make people shy away from doing business dealing with CSW (as they should and as the comments intended) which would affect CSW financially