Bitcoin Forum

As the festivities get high in spirit a lot of players are now taking part in different games in my neighborhood I saw some individuals playing different games with animals from horse to bull and even cow racing all over the street and I stop to wonder if this kind of game healthy for those animals some people think that using animals for such games is being harsh on the animal well being.

I don't think using horse for racing is harsh,  if you make research horse is a strong animal that can be used in racing . The animal is very strong that it get easily tired like other animals.  Using horse for racing is a normal thing that have been existing in the world for a very long time.

Animal gambling has existed from a very distant era from now ,even animal lovers have understood this activity ! Ant fights cricket fighting has become a common part of gambling problems ,it is not harsh on animals but the activity has become a tradition in some circles just for fun ! after all we can't change anything that becomes fun and money ,children will continue what is already there ^{sad indeed if see animal tortured to run or attack}

Ofcourse it is.
Animal racing is not only problematic for animal's rights but at the same time it causes long term issues for the animals who are in the part of the race for a long time, they end up dying on the race tracks or having other probelms as well, most of them does not have medical care as well. The horses are also drugged by some people and the cock fighting always end up Killing a lot of animals for fun. The bull fighting is very sad, people enjoy seeing the animal being killed publicly, it might put some long term impression on kids who accompany their parents for such fights as part of their culture. How about hamster races where they power the marbles ?? These are not only cute but it's also good for everyone!

Most other people believe that is harsh on the animal and against some animal's right provisions but it is proper to check if the animal is under the good condition to race otherwise but horse racing has become a popular game lately.

Well, for animals advocate, it's something that they will be against with. They don't want animal cruelty. And this type of activity for animals being used to gamble such as racing is already a harsh thing for them.
It's really a matter to anyone who has love for the animals and you'll see them having a point defending that this shouldn't be done. Well, I'm not one of them and I'm neutral on this matter.

If you think that the racing event mishandles and mistreats animals, then you should call your local animal welfare authority and file a report. Clearly there are no other ways around it especially if you don't have the authority to stop the event, and the only thing that you can do is report them. But if it is a legal event, and they do have the proper permits, still be vigilant and check whether there are signs of abuse on the animals that are participating on the race. Otherwise, just watch on the sidelines and let the event pan out on itself.

Most of the time, these races have permits, though what happens on-ground are not monitored by the government who gave them the permit, hence it is up to the vigilant people to make the report and possibly stop the event from happening in the future.

Before this sports are held regulatory agencies are first consulted and approval granted. I believe most of welfare agency should be present to serve as observers in case of animal abuse or rough rides that might serve as traits to the wellbeing of this animals. And not everyone partake in this kind of game except those trained and once any harsh treatment is spotted the welfare agency swings into action

I Am of a different opinion how can one prefer to use animals for games it may not be healthy for the animal and I believe government agencies that regulate such games need to do more to protect the well being of the animals used for such games.

harsh actions on animals of course affect the health of these animals and we can consider it as exploitation of that animals

but all animals that are lowered in the betting event are animals that have been trained, shaped and prepared for the bet

An example of this is horse racing. all the horses involved must be trained first and it won't be easy to get sick or something

It depends on who is running the competitions and caring for the animals. There are people of all kinds in this world, so you can expect some animals will be very well treated, while others will have their basic needs neglected.

An exception to that are the fighting sports using animals. In this case all animals involved suffer, while many of them die during the process. In this case I'm fully against this kind of competition.

These animal races doesn't come into existence in a short or through someone who is fond of it. These races are linked to communities, individual community have different games being played with animals. In my country we've got rekla race which is for the cow. A cart is added to the cow and a person directs it for fast running. This isn't harming, because before the race the cow is celebrated with colourful decoration. As a part of cultivation festival these races were conducted.

PETA used to oppose and file case, but after protests by common man who are part of the community the race is allowed without restrictions.

Nah, it's not something considered as harsh. Cock fighting is far more harsher than those animal racing gambling.
If you're not aware, there were also dog racing somewhere in the middle east and those who participate in betting is a very wealthy people. Specifically, they use Greyhounds dogs as they are the fastest running dog amongst all other breeds.

I don't think there's something wrong with letting the animals race and bet on them. People are actually betting on everything they think it's worth the interest to put a bet on it lol.

I think this depends on the type of animal and the type of racing.

If such animals were forced to run (i.e. they are harmed during the process as to force them to run), then I think that would constitute animal abuse on the part of the players. But if the animals used in the marathon are the ones that are designed for running (i.e. horses, dogs, etc.), then I think that would pose no problem in the future in terms of animal abuse.

Remember that people are betting into most things and processes nowadays. As gambling is continuously being practiced, more and more activities are also being introduced in the system.

We have to be able to differentiate between fighting and racing, because the OP explained about racing which in my opinion is not violence against animals.
racing relies on speed which in my opinion is good for animal health and if animals fight like cockfighting or something else it can be said to be violent towards animals and inhumane because they will train it with violence too.

If you think that way, do you think the same for racing done by human as it may not healthy as well for human? Animal racing such as horse is done by professional, the horse must be trained and treated more than other normal horses. Starting from the food, vitamin, and all treatment.

As long as the animals are being cared for properly then it seems ok. Horse racing and greyhound racing are pretty big worldwide with most sportbooks taking bets on them. They often attain rather prestigious status in fact and can be treated to the best lives out of any of their species if they're "thoroughbred". They often go on to retire and take part in breeding programs, it seems like a pure life of luxury in some cases. However distinction needs to be made that animals should not be involved in any blood sports, you speak about cows and bulls racing which might be kind of comical in comparison. However there are some rather barbaric sports out there still that need to be stamped out - like cockfighting.

I think there is an element behind it because basically there are those who consider it a culture about racing or animal fighting, including in my country.
On the other hand, I don't think things like this are too hard, because of course the animals that are being fought are the animals of choice and have been tested.
On the other hand, this is entertainment as well as profitable gambling among some people

That's why vets exist because of them, plus horses are very strong species and each animals are built different. And also, what's wrong with just running when this is just normal for most animals to run. OP should complain if there's an abuse to these animals like they were used to much for monetization such as elephant back riding, killing bulls in arena, and whales or dolphin in a small pool just for amusement where they are showcasing it everyday.

a horse that is not healthy, not getting enough vitamins is just an murder if it is sent down to race, the same thing as a (human) running event in the Olympics or other championships

the pros and cons of accepting animal races on a bet will continue to appear, but what must be realized is that the participating animals are certainly very well monitored by the government that supervises

but I don't know with illegal racing, whether the participating animals are supervised or not!

More than likely, animals used to these racing contests at the spur of the moment are not well-prepared for their event.
So we don't know if those animals are indeed healthy and ready for this activity.
Horse racing has been here for decades already, so this one is not new and acceptable to me.
However, when you are talking about other animals like cow or other untrained animals, I don't think that's right for the owner to join this race contest.
They need to look out for the welfare of their respective animals before they think of the entertainment that it will bring to the people.

Taking part with horse races, those legal competitions are well monitored the horses that they are using are well taken care by groups of people who are part of the team, those horses are well kept and have every vitamins that it needed to be more competitive, those animals are brining decent amount of money, for sure the owners are aware on how to properly cared about those animals.

But, with those illegal gambling if those exist, other animals are just being use for the sake of betting that's a big question if the owners are really doing everything to care or they just all in for the event and if the animal lose or die, it's nothing to them.

Well I don't think so, is that not harsh about animal racing rather than animal fighting --that is the worst when it comes to animal cruelty which means it could have the brutality of death. I don't see any problem with animal race, I love to see when someone places a bet about the race of the turtle and the rabbit and I did not expect many of them to lose on that bet because they had chosen the rabbit which is a turtle was won on that race.
Regarding animal races like horses, I think they are legal and they are permitted to have that activity. It is totally don't have to worry.

you have your point here. animal racing is better than animal fighting like cockfighting. because in races, animals are just subjected to pressure among their own. whereas, if you talk about fighting, one of these animals can very well likely end up dead.
but when you talk about races, it is still best if the race is legal. that means, protocols are observed. however, if you say, illegal races, there will be lots of factors that the respective owners are not taking care of. i do agree that somehow animal races are like pure entertainment at its best. but they need to follow at least minimum safety guidelines.

As long i dont see any forms of abuse then i wont consider it to be harsh yet its been already part of tradition that these animals  do have that certain purpose but cant really blame out those people who do have that kind of mindset when it comes to animal cruelty or being too sincere or concern about those animals which they would really be having this kind of thinking which i cant really blame them off but how far they would able to reach on
if they do tend for this thing to be non ethical or not good to look at?
Theres no much that they could do but to deal with it because theres a certain market or industry for such thing.

If it's not healthy for those involved animals then you should see a big awareness campaign against it from the beginning. Didn't you know how owners of those animals spend too much money just for maintaining the shape and strength of that animals?

We should just leave it that way. There's no form of abuse here unless you are an animal advocate that will take every concern so deep.

True!

When it comes to caring up those animals by its owners then this is something totally opposite on what other people been thinking about abuse.They might ran or having a race but its not
totally a harsh thing to be done by an animal even though it wasnt actually its main purpose of existence but its not surprising that people would be finding out other ways or other forms
of entertainment that  they could seek off. If these sports had imposed out risks with those animals then its been long time this one had been banned.

Technically speaking, be it harsh or what is subjective.

People have different views about it and we can't apply our own view to others. As far as how you looked at the situation, then so be it. The same as others, you just have to respect each other's opinion. Like as I looked at that, I don't think it's harsh but many will argue especially those who are not a fan of that sport.

You just have to live with it as that kind of activity won't be stopped.

It's ok. You don't have to worry. Animals are being taken care of that but what you show is just the activity side.

Behind the scenes, these animals are packed with healthy foods, nutrients, vitamins, and everything just to be healthy at the event time. They were treated well. And racing is a best practice for these animals like how people do sports.

Of course, money is involved here but as long as animals are not abused, it's all good. I don't see racing as abuse too as others said, owners are spending money so why they will abuse their animals?

There's a big difference between abuse and racing to differentiate harsh type of caring the animals, do your research first if you want to know more about of animals. It's like you generalized everything when in fact every animal has different types of care either they were a livestock, pet, for sports such as racing, or entertainment, it depends actually.

It's more cruel if you see an animal fighting such as cock fighting, imagine how they care those animal in the first place yet in the end, they will either suffer from bloody cut or live with a slight cut, or lucky if they didn't have a cut.

It's not. Those who organize animal fights or racing and those who agree with them consider these beings as inferior to humans that why they are okay with it. They see them as mere tools to make money.

It's weird that you are actually comparing the situation of a human being that can decide on his own free will to a captive animal who has no other choice but to do what it's trained to do.

Personally, I could say it wasn't healthy and a good game to look at but why the authorities are allowing it in the first place? If that only it is prohibited since before, we no longer see it growing and people betting them.

We even see cockfighting, bullfighting, and horse fighting (in the local area). It is probably because people think that they are just animals and have no feeling like us. Even though we think it was not healthy, the authorities agreed to it and give them the favor that is why couldn't think that this stop.

If that is a race between those animals, I think that is okay. But if that is about fighting until one of the animals is dead, I do not think that is okay but every people will have their opinion about this and what I see until now is people are like to gamble with that game and make money. Maybe in Asia and some countries, those games are still available and people can bet on that animals. That game offers another experience for people who watch the game.

Agree to this instead they are fighting for their life like in our country the famous illegal one is dog fight which they will be fighting until the other dog will die. On the other hand, Horse racing is also known here in our country and nothing is against it. There are also bird racing, dog racing, and many more that involve animals but there are also a lot of people against it but there is no clear law about it so people are still playing into that games.

I guess it really depends on the individual, but as old as human history though, we've heard this kind of animal racing or sports and so it has existed throughout different cultures. It might not been universally accepted and maybe condemned by animal groups in the last century or so, but still continuing up to this time. Personally I don't like it, but I'm a fan of horse racing, so those animals don't fight for survival, it's a race, but there are times that horses die after a race because their body can't take the grueling lap ran.

Horse racing is healthy, I don't know about the other animals though. back then, horse racing is the practice of any nation to practice themselves some scenario on wars, also camel racing as well. But I doubt that they can use those animals in today's era because we already know how high-tech the war machines are right now. the sounds will scare those animals. But if only use for racing just for fun, I think a horse is the best companion.

Of course they're harsh for the animals' well being. These animals are not made for running. Of course a horse runs fast but a horse is not really built to just run and run and run. These animals could suffer from all this. People are a bit harsh. They find fun in activities involving other creatures which have life. They still find fun in them even if they probably know that these are animals are suffering or hurt in the process. They're only thinking of themselves and of their pleasure.

The horse is a very hardy animal.  The horse practically does not feel the weight of a person - a jockey.  Horses love to run fast.  They even sleep while standing.  Therefore, in the past they were actively used in military affairs. 

Bull games are a very ancient game of chance.  This was practiced in Crete.  From here arose the legend of the Minotaur monster.  I don't approve of bullfighting.  This is a very bloody sporting event.  The bull racing is another matter.  Bulls love to run too.  They get bored of standing in a stall and chewing hay.  They want to warm up. 

There is no exploitation of animals in this.

For me the animal race is a special race which is a tradition that in each region, not all regions do the animal race, with the competition has its own charm for them as well as tourists, I often see such competitions, I don't think it's something that leads to animal violence, it's a certain culture that is interesting to watch.

For example that I often see.
Like a duck or chicken race, clearly here in this animal race the animal is flown a certain distance without touching the ground.
https://zizihub.com/3fe216.jpg

And also in other areas including buffalo races.
https://zizihub.com/f38d72.jpg

There are hundreds of cultures that are carried out by every community around the world for their entertainment in racing, the point is: not to harm animals, instead the animals in the race must be healthy and trained animals.

Using animals for racing competitions there is no element of violence, because violence will only occur if animals are competed for battles such as cockfighting, sheep fighting that hit two sheep's heads and many more. I also realize that the animals that are competed are basically related animals that get extra care so that there is no element of violence when viewed in the process. But regarding the races that he participates in, then it depends as I said before about animal races I have no problem with that, it's different if what is contested is about fights.

Exactly my point most of the animal games I have witnessed is base on fight till death and that is the illegal form of animals games but if it stop at just racing its ok as the animals racing is censured by authorities but animal wrestling is an illegal and unhealthy for the animals.

festivals are always going to involve traditions like racing buffalos, it's done every year its fine. in prison, they do have something else there like a literal rat race. i once saw a contest of how far a frog can leap. people do this stuff all the time. traditions in some other places are crueler than just racing horses or rats.

i'm sure dog fight is part of the tradition too, i'm just not sure where that started but in my country cockfighting is very popular that it regularly happens. we got used to it too.

Since when that Racing becomes harsh for animals? do you know that they need this for their Own Health?

Animals needed to run and exercise to stay fit and this racing is helping them to fulfil that, stop being paranoid because racing does not bring anything harm.

Not unless they will put those animal in fighting , in which they will hurt each other then that is harsher , but as long as they are being used for fun then i see no issue at all.

Its a racing game between animals so I dont see anything wrong with that game. The most popular and quite exciting for me is the horce racing. I already tried to bet on that game and its really fun.

Well, this kind of game is already existing for years already and there's no harm has been made to animals and its a healthy exercise for their own body. So I think we should not be sensitive on this kind of game, its common during festivals for enjoyment.

I don't really see it as a harm for the animals if it's just racing in an organized way and place. It's just fun and people bet on their favorite animal to gain. I believe that most of these racings are legal and they get an authorization from the government to start and promote for them. Some of them are just traditions like in gulf arabic countries they use camels for racing.
The bad side of that there some of people using drugs on these animals and that's really harming and very dangerous for them and not fair for those who gamble on them. And surely if the race is well organized there will be a control for that.
And if there's websites that offer online betting on them it gonna be worth to try.

That's cruel why not report it on the authorities if they don't have permission over that kind of game but even if it's done by the authorities or has permission too I think it's still the same. It's not healthy for animals of course, someone from them that can't be heard it's so cruel just thinking of it if they just used for human leisure time.

I a an avid player of Horse racing and even a Dog race i come to visit in small town here in my country just to make a bet and from there i also explore other animal games.
But i don't think this brings harsh to the animal as they are being treated fairly and being loved.
their owners really take good care of their health to be ready in the next competition.
and also what do animals love aside from Eating? of course running around right?
so let the animal enjoys the game same as how the gamblers enjoys theirs .

It depends I think on the type of animal and as well as how the event is taken care of? I mean if you were to ask if Horse racing was bad for the horses, making them race itself isn't exactly bad, but forcing them through violent means CAN be bad. On the other hand, if you were to ask if idk, monkey racing would be good, well, I'd say idk really, and maybe just tell you to ask the monkey themselves if they'd actually go race. Running comes naturally to horses so that's understandable but again, it depends on the type of animal.

Horse racing is officially recognized as sports, I don't know about bull and cow but if they are regulated with a governing body managing the events I don't see any issue at all because all the animals are well taken care of and trainers and riders are compliant to animal safety, but if the race is back yard race then that's illegal and should not be allowed and outlawed because the organizers are not looking for the welfare of the animals but only a way how to make money.

I'm one of those people. Animals have no saying in whether they'll be used for sports or not, and when competing with each other, they are trying to win only because they want to be less beaten and more nourished, that's all. I don't understand how watching these poor things fighting, or racing, can be entertaining.

It's absolutely another story with humans harshly competing with other. People want fame, they want money, big amounts, so big that they will never make such money working in a factory, or working behind a counter, or being paramedics. People make their choice to be in sports, and when they succeed, they are well awarded, while animals are just forced to do it. In my opinion it should be outlawed.

I don't think that if any of us think that using horses in horse racing or bulls in bullfighting is animal cruelty anything will change. These entertainments were formed decades ago and are in some respects part of the culture.

Attending these kinds of events and betting on them is a personal matter for each of us.

Besides horse racing in my country also available bull racing and this tradition already exist since hundred years ago and it's legal as annual tradition which is local government support it because will attract more tourists to watching the race and usually before race the bull will get special treatments to ensure while race those bulls very healthy and i think this not so different too for other animal such as horse that the horse owners will do anything to get healthy horse because it will help them to be the champion for every race

I don't think it's harsh to use those animals because it has been existing for years and it's already a part of the tradition. Most animals who are used in racing actually fit on the said sports. As long as they aren't getting hurt physically, I don't see anything wrong with it. Animal racing is popular because of the fun and excitement that it provides.

If you compare horse racing and bullfighting, horses are treated more humanely. Horses are specially bred fast and hardy, so I think that horse racing is quite normal entertainment which, if it injures the horse, it happens by accident. I am not a particular fan of horse racing because I do not know about it. But if people like it, then why not.

It can be terrible for the animals involved. Have a look at this site (https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/index.php) for some example data, listing horses in the UK alone who have died due to racing.



And there is a broader issue here, it's not just racing, it's entertainment in general. Have a look at this site (https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-entertainment/) for more info. There is also a sub-page here (https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-entertainment/horse-racing/) related specifically to racing.

Using animals for any type of entertainment of ours is wrong when it works the animals so hard that they could easily become injured. Horse racing, dog racing are very wrong and put these animals in harms way! Animals were not put on earth for our entertainment and putting them in a situation where they could injure themselves should be illegal. If you support this crap than something is wrong with you!

You have a strong point here this games has been in existence for centuries and the have never been a time where animal welfare agencies have tried putting restrictions on this games which gives a clear indication that the animals aren't maltreated or mishandled. I just feel @ op is just showing some level of concern but I believe those in charge know what they are doing and can handle any situation that might arise

I never heard of cow racing before, sounds a bit crazy for my taste. Horse racing is very common in my country, but these are not normal horses, they are trained only for racing. There is a large industry behind it because so much money is involved and gambled on their races. I don't think it's right use the cattle that just stands on the field all day for racing. The animals could really harm themselves. Hope this doesn't happen to often.

I've never been a fan of this types of gambling games. Using animals to compete with another species or the same one.
I know horse racing but even before it didn't give me the fun to see a horse being lashed by the racer just to speed it up. But perhaps this could be normal in rural places where people don't use internet or do not have the knowledge about card games. I may agree with what they will do but if it someone who has knowledge about other gambling games and has access to it, why choose animal races or fights?
A good options is near you so just use that kind of method to gamble yourself away.

I don't bet on animal racing! Not even on horses and dogs, probably the most popular... In one moment that became popular, in every casino people were sitting and betting on horse and dog races all day long! So there were a lot of stories about how those races are rigged, they are replaying old races... I didn't find all that attractive at all, so I never placed a bet on something like that, and probably not ever! It's simply not my thing!

Horse racing and cockfighting are those that are very common to most third world countries.

They love betting, especially those who are residing in rural areas. Some, if not most, are depending on their livelihood
with this kind of gambling.

Not fan of Cockfighting but with horse riding sometimes I also bet with it and enjoy even I don't win yet.

if we look at it on a moral ground, then yes it is. but I don't mind seeing animals being used for racing, as long as they are well taken care of. what I am not ok with is animals being abused to train them or being used for underground animal fighting. I've seen illegal dog fights on the internet before and it is horrifying.

It is in my country, Indonesia. Even held every tradition festival in a certain area every year. Including as a medium of conventional betting that is carried out openly, and is almost excluded from legal action due to the strong reason of their tradition.
I've seen it live several times. If I can judge it, it's the most excruciating race that basically forces non-species animals to run as fast as possible.

I'm not sure if it was around this time but I saw before this thread another where someone was playing or betting on spider fights or something like that, it was clandestine ... usually these things organized (approved) or they are not in a certain way Counterproductive to the issue of gambling because the associated prejudice that bets on whatever and on the other hand the issue of animals, we should not support this type of thing even if it is only for fun.

I've heard about these crazy races. If I'm not mistaken, this event is held in the rice fields after the harvest, which resemble mud puddles at this point. I sincerely do not understand why it is not done on a level surface, although it is a kind of demonstration of bulls' endurance.

As long as there is no animal cruelty against them and they are treating them right then I do not see the problem with some races being held, as historically events of this type have existed for a very long time and people love to gamble in those events, however if some of those competitions eventually evolved to dog fights or something like that then I would have a problem with that, as it is simply wrong to force animals to fight for no reason at all.

that's crazy
as cows aren't really the biggest racers
are these cows raised for that or just some kind of independent game where they use cows from farms that would use the cows for other things like milk or meat?

creativity is really limitless, if we have cow races we could have gambling with any kind of animals

First time on hearing it off also about cows race but if it does exist then so be it and as you said that creativity is limitless which means that any kind of things or dealings could really be possible as long it would be applicable
and can be done then human beings do normally find or seek of ways speaking of entertainment and these conditions or situations are very common act for them to commit out.
Some might have impressions it is  already a form of abuse or some sort but as long it doesnt involved killings or something like that then i dont see any problems.

Cow racing is quiet popular also in my place though it only happens during festive in my place I can say that its fine because those animals are being taking care of so the owners will win again on the next competition. People are using different animals to race, I guess this kind of racing are also growing. Its fine as long as the local government allows it, but if its illegal I guess its not healthy at all.