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If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

FUD is just a FUD even on the Forex market there are still many FUDs it's already part of the market. They always do it to manipulate the price but it won't affect too much.

About FUD on BTC it's always volatile since before even without FUDs the price is too volatile unlike on the local currencies or any assets from Forex.

That is why pro traders analyze the market that includes news without them they can't analyze what will be the next price movement.
If you know the Bitcoin price history before there is no difference in what happens these days every "after block halving".

What do you mean when you say FUD means regulations and ban? FUD is often merely FUD, triggered by misrepresented information (for example, a major factor in the 2018 market crash was manipulative and, evidently, false information that South Korea was about to bad crypto exchanges). You've also mentioned Russia, China, and India. While these countries are associated with mixed messages, these messages don't always entail actual new regulations, let alone bans. It's frequently discussions of what this or that official said or about draft bills that don't pass. And, to be honest, I don't think the governments are to blame in these situations (at least, not all situations) because it's often the media that catches a small piece of info and tries to make breaking news out of it by spreading fear and making it sound worse than it really is.
As for Bitcoin being manipulated, the price does suffer now and then from news about bans or new regulations. However, it's simply due to investors acting on it. Also, the price tends to recover, so I don't have a problem with that.

Then media should be responseble for the losses.
 

A country involved in a fud sounds like a large-scale fud. Normally we only see users spreading fud is just about some projects which this user only wants to buy the project's token at a low price from the ones who will dump because of the funds he spread.

Assuming Russia, China and India are using this technique so are they buying BTC or ETH?
The ones that I have heard of is that China is buying US bonds that's why some they own a lot of it and even US companies like Forbes Media are bought by Chinese.  

Just imagine that a politician tells on TV that 1+1=3. If you use that info for something financial, it's only your problem, neither the politician's who is defying the basic math, nor the media who has taken (correctly) the wrong statement.
Of course, media does its share of manipulation and FUD in more ways, like "favoring" certain types of news, but for those it will be even harder to sue them.
And about governments... as long as the central banks have warned you that crypto investments are very risky, you're on your own.

All in all, you are right - that is indeed FUD and market manipulation  - but unfortunately I don't think that you can make a case against them.

FUD will always exist, whether its Bitcoin or some other asset. It always has, and Bitcoin will be no exception to it. Due to the volatile nature, and the complexity of Bitcoin it seems that the media are able to manipulate people a little more than they would be able to with other things.

We aren't going to change that, plus there's a certain demographic that seems to love bashing on Bitcoin, probably due to either losing money themselves or not understanding it completely. Therefore, their default reaction is they'll become hostile.

I wish the media was held more responsible for their clickbait headlines, and quite frankly their blatant manipulation of the facts outside of Bitcoin, but it rarely pans out that way.

The recent Bitcoin ban and fake news add up to financial market manipulation.
It impacts the prices but not for too long.

There is an entire industry producing biased news. Traditional media is increasingly out of money, but this kind of media that produces paid content, and often does not make it clear, is the fastest growing sector. That's why debating news in forums is important as it makes it easier to find different positions on the same subject.

FUD is something wrongly interpreted by the media to manipulate the prices so government has nothing to do with such wrong news. China tried to ban the cryptocurrency because they don't want their people to know that how the financial freedom will be. And other government has their own reasons to ban but they yet to ban it legally meanwhile other media out there say its banned when some kind kf news related to the law was announced by country.

Legitimate news isn't "FUD". We call something "FUD" if there's misleading news/information that's being intentionally spread to scare bitcoin holders. Not literally every single negative news is "FUD" lmao.

Thank God someone has said this thing, it seems that people have forgotten to consider the fact that just because a news article says sommething that we find bad ourselves, our immediate response is to call it out as a FUD without even reading the article, of course not every article isn't a FUD, it's just that we need some form of consistency.

long or not depends on the FUD news that is spread. If the negative news is really serious then the market will crash and need time to recover.
Currently, many large media are easy to pay to post some FUD news which of course will disrupt the market situation, the purpose of the manipulation is certainly coordinated. Many manipulations at this time, more thorough and careful not to get caught up in it.

The funny part is the Indian government threatens to ban bitcoins a lot of times, even the RBI goes so far so as to ban the bank accounts as well, at the end of the day they ask the Indians to sell their bitcoins or they might be liable to jail time, they were ridiculously mentioning that the jail time would be definately more than the jail time that a person normally receives for *rape*. These ridiculous claims are actually fuled by old people governing the government in the country, which I do think is a big issue, they also try and bring price down every once in a while  but now the matter is hopefully sorted for a while. Other than that big countries like Russia and China are waiting to grab any opportunity, with China cleaning their hands and running out now all eyes are on Russia for their big move, but they seem far too focused on Ukraine for the moment to do anything.

Legimate or not any regulation or ban or limits will be bad influence to price.
And they dont do it motivated by right or wrong but just profit reasons.

Manipulation does not need a justification whales try to manipulate the price, regardless of the news.
Unfortunately, many newspapers help them, as once the price begins to decline, negative news begins to follow the price change.

What happens is that:

• price changes
• FUD start
• newspapers search for a logical reason (to get views and ads)
• whales begin to influence the price

The impact of whales is the last after the change in price.

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The price of Bitcoin is increasing, and the more we reach several trillions of market capacity, the more difficult it is to manipulate.

I am quite confused on what you have written here, are you saying that the governments that has banned cryptocurrency should be seen as frauds? How exactly, because your point that you have made about this is not adding up. So the government should be seen as fraud and should refund people in other countries, because they decided to ban crypto in their own country? Lol. It doesn’t work that way.

Yes, I do know that whenever the government bans cryptocurrency in their country, there used to be fear in the market, which would result to a fall. For example, when China banned bitcoin and people were and started selling. It’s not just as a result of the government canning crypto in their country, rather it is because of investors that sells whenever they see such a news.

Every limitation or bad news are only for one reason to make price go lower so the ...wall street and whales can buy cheap.
So goverments around the world are just under the control of wall street.
Just business btc is good for them as its still kinda unregulated the ways they need it.

FUD is different from fraud and you can't stop that from happening in the market. If you're looking at the most manipulated market, look at the medical supplies and drugs. We're in a pandemic and people are also talking about how manipulated it is. As for bitcoin, it's not just the FUD that has been said that manipulates it, also it includes the miners, the news and most of the time a few talks from those well known people that seems to be a path finder for the people as they invest in bitcoin.

FUD is just another aspect of the market we have to deal with and anyone that is incapable of doing so will pay the consequences of that mistake, I do not think anyone that is serious about this market likes it, but since it is something we cannot control the best we can do is to simply ignore it.


I think the same but over the long term people become desensitized to it, after all when every single event is the worst thing that could happen and it is a crisis of universal proportions people stop caring about those click-bait headlines.

FUD will always be a part of any market, not only in crypto.
To avoid being affected by this, you need to educate yourself about the real happenings in the market.
Learn what are the facts surrounding a specific project and you will understand that most FUDs are baseless.
Small cap coins are the ones that can highly be manipulated but btc for example, are hard to manipulate as you need huge money to move it at least a percent in the market.
Educate. Learn. That's the secret of not getting panic in this market. The more you know about the project, the better decisions you can execute.

It's not the government or the country that spreads the FUD, it's the media that does that all. They spread the FUD by creating various articles that exaggerates everything and creates a confusion. And those media are controlled by some group of people and they do it (probably) on purpose to take advantage of the FUDs. They cause they market to crash and then they buy during the dip. You will see that the same media then starts praising and saying exactly the opposite of what they have said previously and then causes people to FOMO. So yeah, FUD is also a form of financial market manipulation that existed even before BTC was a thing.

I don't think the governments are crafting and implementing regulations against Bitcoin just so that they could manipulate the market. I don't think countries ban Bitcoin on the basis of trying to manipulate the market. I think it's a matter of disagreement. And there are fundamentals reasons behind it. Primary of which is the fact that Bitcoin is beyond their influence and control. Governments are expected not to embrace a currency that somehow diminishes their power. It takes a paradigm shift for them to do that.

It's not just government who do that.
the market can't go upward every time, sometimes correction period has to be come.
During the correction moment, the government started FUD to manipulate the price that's why they can buy the dip.
Newspaper and media are another culprits, they always want to color any issue they got, that's why people attracted to their news and they got more read time, this is their business.
And I don't wanna tell anything about whales, they are big water fish always hunger to buy dip sell high.

yes, I got your points, it's actually not fraud, they want to move money. cause you know too much idle money is risky for them, they want moving money to keep remain their progress.
that's why they made FUD, cause they want people to use their money instead it keeping idle.

OP seems misunderstood how FUD works and government works.
FUD for me is something is a negative effect on Bitcoin that is not TRUE. If a particular government implements some law about the restriction of using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies then we can't do about it. It will become FUD if some people or entities spread false information that will cause negative effects on Bitcoin.

Overall, Bitcoin is decentralized, even though they will ban it, people still can use Bitcoin as it was built as decentralized.

So you're saying that we should just outright ban the spread of negative news despite it being legitimate/factual? Yea, imagine a world where a centralized authority has the power to just ban the spread of negative information. That would most definitely be GREAT.  /s

It's not Fud instead that is reality of life , they will ban bitcoin according to their beliefs and evaluations.
Lol it is not suspected FUD , instead those country does not believe in the capacity or the volatility of crypto
that is why they are not wanted crypto to enter their countries.

Maybe it's just a coincidence whenever they announce their regulations, the BTC price will rise or decrease depending on what kinds of regulations they are announcing to the public especially in China. as everyone says, it's not the FUD we usually know because these countries are taking some actions based on their own research and this is not just coming up with their leaders, it took some long talk with their financial advisers and any other expert in the country before finalizing it and issued it to make regulations out of it.

I agree that FUD is everywhere and there are those people that would like to make FUD for everyone to panic. And if the majority panics, they're successful in what they're trying to do for their advantage. Just like in bitcoin, most of the FUD that has happened in the past came from those popular personalities, and later on, little did we know, they're already stacking a lot of bitcoin to their own advantage. They speak ill against bitcoin but it's for their advantage so that they can buy at a cheap price in favor of them and as result of the FUD they've made.

I mean... they're sorta making progress.  It's slightly less absurd than their idea to make regulators ban sideways price movements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372311.0).   ;D

It's possible we should just become accustomed to Voxo2222 "the price isn't doing what I want it to" threads.  I suspect there's going to be hundreds of them, sadly.  Maybe a mod could merge them all together into one great big heap of derp.

I won't say that the governments are deliberately doing this to benefit or demeans some specific set of people, but yes apart from government, the news companies, the social media pages and almost everyone around us, they are just involved in manipulation of the market and I am sure they are heavily paid for all this, if you see market carefully, the biggest pumps happen when everyone is so bullish about the market and worst dumps happen when everyone is so bearish on the market.

You are right and you could also see this on forex and stocks market on where these fuds and manipulative kind of sentiments or fundamentals does exist which means
you should really be preparing yourself out in terms of these things as part of the challenges that you would need to face up and get used to and find out on how you
would gonna deal and make out actions according to your own experience and awareness. Sustaining is that matter most but majority do really have
a hard time in doing so which it isnt really surprising.

Unfortunately regulators in countries like the USA or places in Europe are not beholden to cryptocurrency owners. They are free to create new laws as they see fit for the benefit of their citizens. If the new laws, or discussion of new laws, moves markets then that is somewhat irrelevant. The regulators themselves need to be monitored to make sure they're not profiting due to corruption from such announcements, but outside of that it is not and should not be their concern as to whether an asset may fall or rise based on their decision. If they decided to restrict a certain asset in future and they had research saying that longer term it would protect more people after short term suffering, then that is what they should do.

Such manipulation practices have often occurred and even occur in all aspects other than cryptocurrencies. People who have a lot of money certainly have control over the manipulation. It was done only for their own benefit, to increase their profit coffers.
The FUD is spread and the price crash is certainly a moment to buy more at the lower price. No market really works naturally, there will be many manipulators trying to control it.

They created the hypes, the FUDs, and everything that would affect the price. Manipulation is really happening around, not only in crypto but it was also happening in the stock market. We have to accept that we are also benefiting from this and we gonna live this forever as this can never be stopped anymore.

Even though we think that Bitcoin is decentralized but to see wasn't 100% untouchable. Yeah, it is all just a word but in reality, manipulation is somewhat in touch with it, and besides, I am even happy to see this as the market seems to be more alive and in progress.

It is a natural that those who have a lot of money will be more powerful and can manipulate. So it's a fact that the crypto market does often have
price manipulation and we can't avoid it. We have to get used to and be able to adapt to the many FUDs circulating in the crypto industry,
which are aimed at benefiting certain parties. So we have to learn how to deal with circulating FUD, we can take advantage of falling crypto prices
by buying some potential coins at low prices, or it could be holding the coins we have if we don't have the money to buy more coins. So as long as
we understand how crypto works, it seems there's no need to worry if there are FUDs floating around, because we already understand what steps
we have to do when there is FUD.

Bitcoin is a kinda cryptocurrency that we don't know who buying or who is selling. Imagine I am spreading FUD and dumping the price. Once the price dump then I will accumulate. So no one will know I am accumulating. China ban Bitcoin many times but we don't know whether they are accumulating I dip or selling in high. So all FUD and ban just to dump Bitcoin for a small time. Never mind who is behind that, just accumulate if you think this is a dip for you.

I have to agree that Bitcoin can be manipulated in the sense that prices move up and down. FUDs, Whales, are of the most to be blamed but I don't think that we can say it was 100% manipulated. I know that some people will take advantage of their capabilities like whales to make change the market trend but people never take that seriously as they just think it was the part of the volatility which I believe was so.

And so why do people never stop buying and accumulating Bitcoin even they know such a thing? That was because manipulation has existed in all aspects of business, investment, and even in our life.

we oursleves who are responsible for the losses, not media, not everyone others.
Why?
Because we ourselves who do that decision, doing investment or trading in the crypto should have understood that this will always require risks. I am sure that you are only focused and are ready for the profits to take, but not ready for the risks. that is basic but you forget about it.
Losses in investment and trading will be always here, around us, faced by everyone here. But, we don't need to blame others, we should take the lessons why we lost. We may not be patient, we may be triggered by the FUD and being panic, we may decide any decision hurriedly and without any good analysis.
FUD will be always everywhere, not only crypto.
I suggest you if you are not ready with the risks in the crypto world and take lessons to make better to manage the funds and risks, just quit.

You are right, but not everyone has the same thinking ability and knowledge.
Some people have extreme patience some haven't. Still, there are many peoples who believe media blindly and don't have much analytical skills,
when FUD's coming from a reputed authority like governments or Elon musk or celebrities then they have to believe those FUD's
I must give blame to those authorities who spread FUD knowingly and endanger their followers, they are abusing their power.