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Recently, I have been seeing many videos of Michael Saylor^[1][2][3] speaking positively about Bitcoin and giving a lot of optimistic analyzes.

So for someone who is a newbie, would you recommend that I send him Michael's videos to explain the economic side of Bitcoin or convince him to invest or will it lead to over-optimism that might end up with my friend losing some money?

In short, the topic talks about Michael's recent analyzes/tweets and how serious it is taken for the average joe.

[1] https://twitter.com/saylor
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Saylor
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li3a7lKRlFk

Michael Saylor is always positive about bitcoin and honesty I never heard anything negative from him about bitcoin, even when the bitcoin price was dumping hard he didn't stop thinking and talking positively about bitcoin some people even believe he is the real satoshi he is leading MicroStrategy and this company is holding a big share of bitcoin, with is much investment of bitcoin I'm surprised to see Saylor is always positive about bitcoin however I won't recommend his videos to my friends but I suggest them to read more about money management before start investing on anything including bitcoin to any newbie friends.

I would recommend it but I would seriously caution people about the part where he recommends everyone to borrow to buy Bitcoin. If you have a paid off house, he recommends you take a mortgage and invest in Bitcoin. This is one thing Frank Giustra threw in his face in the Bitcoin vs Gold debate. Not everyone is a Billionaire like him and for many people that advice can end in ruin.

For someone smart in general and financially savvy, his advice can serve them well. Many billionaires are short on cash and what they do is they have it all invested in premium assets. If they need cash, they borrow against those assets. But for the average Joe, it can be a disaster.

I personally wouldn't, but I'm not like super against it. Though I think that Saylor definitely knows his thing(surprisingly after watching a few of his interviews), I just think that Andreas Antonopoulos is simply just better at explaining things.

As for over-optimism, yea, I'm afraid only deeper research and thinking realistically can fix that.

Saylor isn't the person I'd choose to introduce someone to Bitcoin with.  He has some good talks about finance, but I don't think he knows as much about Bitcoin as most think.  He also isn't the most captivating speaker when it comes to crypto. 

If I were going to recommend a more fun and knowledgeable way for you to introduce someone to Bitcoin, I would go with Pomp's Best Business Show podcast.  It's a lot of fun to watch and they have some really great analysts and guests on there quite frequently.  I think it's entertaining and educational, as well as being a bit more youthful and likely to catch your friend's attention.

Not that bad to recommend it to a newbie and watch and hear his thoughts. But it's always the reminder that I'm telling to the people who asks me if it's good to invest in bitcoin. I'd always told them that it's the same as other investments that risk cannot be removed. If they see people who have been boasting their profits, it's not an easy way that they've been through. The risk that bitcoin has is higher than the usual investments that we have but since I'm always optimistic about them, I'd told them that the risk is paid off and worth it.

Yes... There are few captivating speakers who really know every angle. The learning process is usually quite a long journey, and there are many ways of beginning, as well as progressing through.

Saylor has influence for his reputation and following because Microstrategy has always interacted with a wide variety of other business models. In that sense I would think he is more of a generalist, and would maybe just motivate listeners to find other sources, looking from their own specific point of interest.

I looked at his Wikipedia, and I don't think he's the right guy for this. Firstly, there's this section on COVID denial and his great prediction that it will all be over in a few weeks. Unless your friend's also a COVID denier, it can be a major setback (in the line of thinking that if this guy was so wrong about the pandemic, why should he be trusted regarding any other matter). Then there was a SEC settlement, potentially suggesting tax evasion (again, not good for his reputation).
I think a good and reasonable guy for Bitcoin education is Andreas Antonopoulos, just like mk4 suggested. He's genuinely interested in blockchain and Bitcoin, rather than, like Saylor, hunting down whatever brings profits. Also, I don't think he's overly optimistic (at least, I don't think he ever makes predictions about Bitcoin price going up), so it seems that his views are more moderate and are less likely to result in your friend losing money.

Their is different between him and Elon musk, Michael always talk good things about bitcoin as you said, i have seen many statement it drop in Twitter aand other social media activities but no one State bad about Bitcoin but musk always condemn the development of bitcoin and continues to support doge coin that belongs to him, Micheal is different from musk, i like the way he talks about bitcoin, if he point out hate speech to bitcoin is just of recent

OP, I respect Michael Saylor, “for now”, as a HODLer, but don’t send a newbie his videos. Plus someone should first teach Michael Saylor when to buy the DIP. Hahaha.

Send a newbie videos/information that would make him truly understand how the protocol works, and how the network is holding itself together. If he/she truly understood, let him/her decide if the network has real value for himself/herself.

Michael Saylor has always been an advocate of Bitcoin before the covid-19 outbreak that forced social distance on the world and in the interview, Michael Saylor talks about the shifting of activities from the physical world to the virtual world, which the web 3 metaverse is all about the virtualization of all human activities which Bitcoin and the blockchain is a key component of that development.
I guess this is suitable for newbies' consumption but depends on the newbie's ability to comprehend the information.

Michael saylor is one of the positive man when it comes crypto especially bitcoin. He had good views always reason i wouldn't be surprised why many people saying that he is the one satoshi. And yes his video is a good recommendation for others who want to adapt bitcoin as well because indeed most of his video are informative.

Again, you are wrong, because it is not true that Saylor has always been pro-Bitcoin, quite the opposite.

https://i.imgur.com/adEmwpv.png
Source (https://twitter.com/saylor/status/413478389329428480)

Furthermore, it should be clear to everyone by now that Saylor, whose company has over 120 000 BTC, must be 100% positive about Bitcoin, because his job and future depend on it. Does this mean that man is no longer objective to see the situation in a realistic way? In a way, this is certainly the case, and this should be taken into account when it comes to his thinking.

I don't mind what a man does with his money or his company's money, and if someone wants to copy that moves, it's his personal business. I also prefer Bitcoin over fiat, but I have no influence over others to do so, nor would I want to be responsible for someone’s financial security.

As Ironically, as it may sound Michael Saylor, have Also been responsible for speeches that have pushed the Bitcoin market from $7k to $28k some time back, one may view Micheal way of approach to Bitcoin in public as an anti-Bitcoin but again his action and that of his company micro strategy as that of Bitcoin enthusiasts as he holds quite a big numbers of Bitcoin.

Saylor and MicroStrategy should say positive things about Bitcoin because they are one of biggest institutional investors according to Bitcoin Treasuries.

https://bitcointreasuries.net/

They are old Bitcoin institutional investor so their perspective should be very solid on Bitcoin. New institutional investors can have less positive and solid thinking about Bitcoin but it is not what Saylor and MicroStrategy have.

Personally it is not actually good if we only talk about positive because it will hype people (it is what they are trying to do) and indirectly cause them to ignore risks. Mortgage to buy Bitcoin, I disagree. I am bullish with Bitcoin but I don't do that.

and OgNasty

Yup I agree MS certainly knows his stuff, I would even say he has been and is always
thinking outside the box but with that his speech and thoughts ^Metaphorscan
be a bit abstract and tricky for newbies to follow.

I would also say his speeches can come across as geared to business people but
are essentially aimed at everyone.

So its tricky as to directing some people to his stuff, there are other knowledgable
people who send a good message, Pomp and Andreas Antonopoulos as posted above.

Free intro course > https://aantonop.com/workshops/introduction-to-bitcoin-and-open-blockchains/

If the video can motivate and give an overall picture of why someone is so interested in investing, then it will be very helpful for me personally, generally for other people who if they want to know the logical reason behind investing in Bitcoin. In addition to the advantages, maybe in the video, there will be values that can only be understood by every individual who watches. I will try to recommend it to others. Because of the end of the decision, back again to one's belief in the future of Bitcoin.

Michael Saylor has a very philosophical stance on bitcoin.

If you have listened to the Michael Saylor Series (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/qiqynm/today_it_is_my_task_to_present_to_you_a_birds_eye/), you would know that his appreciation for bitcoin comes from a lot more than just number go up technology. He views bitcoin as something that is supposed to take over gold because of its smarter/faster/stronger properties. He explains that bitcoin succeeding is simply a force of nature. The human desire to have something that is superior to another.

Anyone who sees Bitcoin as prophecy isn't probably going to be liked by someone who doesn't. At least, not yet. You need people who speak reasonably to convince, not those who say stuff such as “Bitcoin is a swarm of cyber hornets serving the goddess of wisdom”.

I recently watched a great talk (https://twitter.com/saylor/status/1478448537029459972) from Saylor, but I don't think I'd recommend it to a newcomer. I liked it because I've already understood more than just the basics of Bitcoin and agree with his statements.

Most of Micheal saylors videos are self explanatory and could serve as good guide to explaining Bitcoin to newbies. So far Michael saylors has remained positive on Bitcoin over a long time and his videos could serve as good analysis for explaining Bitcoin and it's technology to one who hasn't heard about Bitcoin before

I don't see why not.  I think when it comes to anyone who's interested in educating themselves about bitcoin, then watching a range of videos from a rang of people makes sense.  I've watched quite a few videos form Michael and he does really know what he's talking about.  Only thing I would caution is I think he might be a little too bullish on bitcoin.  I think it's smarter to be a little more cautiously optimistic, and not so all blindly all in.

This!!!

If you want to explain to somebody what bitcoin is and its purpose and strength is against other currencies are there are a lot of other videos and resources about it, Saylor is not one of them. If you just want to convince somebody to buy coins because he might earn more than go for it, he might find this guy charismatic enough to buy.

In a contest between Saylor and Antonopoulos, who was mentioned a few lines up, well, there is no contest at all. This guy is in BTC for the money, the was a critic of but then he smelled the profits and he has become for some an iconic figure, just how some will suddenly have memory loss immediately even for Soros or the Rothchild's or Warren Buffett and follow and like every tweet they will make about BTC.

man, let's be honest, are all these guys who have a lot of bitcoins when they talk well about bitcoin are they talking neutrally or are they talking so that more people buy bitcoin and the price increases a lot so that they have high profits? I honestly prefer to hear the opinion of those who do not have bitcoin because the opinion will be from someone neutral

Michael Saylor always sounds similar to an altcoin bagholder hehe. He is always there to hype bitcoin and also tries to convince people to buy with him during the wrong time. We should always be in reality. Bitcoin is a combination of storylines where they say you can get rich and where they say we should hold it as a hedge for inflation. The tightening in America and many other countries will weaken these storylines.

michael saylor and bitcoin, in my personal opinion michael saylor and bitcoin are like true friends, even though the price of bitcoin is falling, he still holds bitcoin and always posts positive things about bitcoin, I've seen his posts several times when bitcoin prices are falling, he not at all posting negative things about bitcoin, but he always motivates us, to continue to be patient because bitcoin will definitely go up again, in my personal opinion he deserves to be called a true businessman..

After reading the comments above, I began to understand that his videos may not be suitable for beginners or for someone with a weak financial background or far from investment.
In fact, I did not hear many of his videos because I like to hear people who have a negative view of Bitcoin, but what distinguishes of Michael Saylor is that he does not talk much about altcoins and quick profit, which is something you rarely find in YouTube channels.

aantonop's videos are good but somewhat technical and not for someone who is a beginner and wants to invest.

If there are such people (and I've never heard of any), they're pretty stupid.

OP, I probably wouldn't send any videos with Michael Saylor talking about bitcoin to your friend.  I've seen a few and there's no denying he's very intelligent, but as Leviathan.007 alluded to, he's pretty much a bitcoin permabull.  Your friend would be better off watching a documentary like Cryptopia and maybe one of the other big documentaries having to do with bitcoin.  Saylor would probably buy bitcoin at any price, which I find to be a bit disturbing for someone running a publicly-traded company and buying BTC with the company's money.

Not sure what the average price he got in at, but I'm wondering if MSTR is now in the red with its bitcoin investment.

Speaking of that, you probably should suggest to your friend that he not watch youtube videos on bitcoin, because very few of them are skeptical of it or are anything other than pure hype.  If you just search "bitcoin" on YT, everything that pops up is made by people trying to sell you on get-rich-quick schemes.

I wonder if human stupidity has an end, but obviously not - because how to call someone who can come up with such an idea at all. If Saylor was really Satoshi, would he do two big stupid things:

• First declare in 2013 that the days of Bitcoin are numbered.
• Then in 2020 started buying that same Bitcoin, regardless of the fact that the real Satoshi reportedly has about 1 million BTC in its possession.

Also 120 000 BTC is not a big share, hardly a little more than 0.5% of the max supply. Also, don't be surprised if Saylor decides to change tactics at some point - I'd like to see him hold BTC in case an even bigger correction to the current price occurs, say 50%.

He and Micro Strategy bought up many dips so 50% dips if occur will not be skipped. They will seriously to invest more in Bitcoin especially if they have opportunities to buy 50% discount.

0.5% of max supply is not big but if we know that in 2036, there will be about 160k Bitcoin in future supply for mining, 120k BTC at the moment is great. Just next 14 years and it will become almost a whole amount of Bitcoin in future supply. I believe in 14 more years, Saylor and MicroStrategy will buy more Bitcoin and will have more than 160k Bitcoin in 2036.

Why are we talking about 2036 when, by the end of this decade, 99% of all BTC will be in circulation - and 1% (210 000 BTC) will remain for the next 100+ years? Likewise, if Saylor and his company continue to shop at the current rate, they will have much more than 160 000 BTC in 14 years - just 10 000 BTC a year would mean 260 000 BTC by 2036.

All this under the assumption that investing in Bitcoin will continue to be profitable, and more importantly, that Saylor will be alive by then - although he is still relatively young (57 years old).

I really support your words, youtube is filled with content creators who don't educate well but only promise practical benefits and it turns out to be just a scam.  To study BTC requires research that is quite complicated, not just listening to the words of person A or person B because we will never know they are only part of market manipulation or purely educational.  Saylor was by far a Whales, so after all her actions were only to secure her investment conditions.  Don't let his actions push the red market and threaten the value of his investment.  It's only natural that he continues to say positive because of the proportion of his BTC holdings.

I don't think you should forward directly these videos. We are all positive about Bitcoin but it doesn't mean our friends or family will be positive as well just by watching this video. First of all, you need to explain how Bitcoin works and the risk of Bitcoin volatility. Otherwise, they would regret during the dump of Bitcoin price. Then you may give an example of some institutional investors and their thoughts. So they would realize about the environment. I am not taking it negatively but before that, they should have a basic idea about the Bitcoin environment.

I'll say yes. Michael Saylor has been a solid Bitcoin guy. He believes in the tech and he is not only talk. He also walks his talk and actually buying the dips. Maybe he doesn't know the technical side of crypto as Andreas does but let's be honest, the audience isn't always interested in the technical side of the things. Michael has been one of the best things that happened to bitcoin.

that can be done, and indeed he can also be used as an example of how bitcoin is loved because until now Michael Saylor is one of the most vocal people in supporting bitcoin.
but of course we also have to be able to filter because indeed Saylor's adoption is very risky because indeed he even suggests borrowing money to invest here and this is of course risky

You are not a newbie in the cryptospace, you should know why Michael Saylor is not talking about altcoins. This is because he does not hold any altcoin hehehe. However, if Michael the Sailor was holding dogecoin, we can be quite certain that he will be acting the like a high priest preaching his religion to his followers.

I wouldn't send them just that though as too much positivity might make the person that you're introducing to bitcoin get delusional to the point that they might think that there's only positives in bitcoin and that there's no other things that could possibly happen to them besides taking a profit. Maybe a mixture of other people talking about bitcoin might help and you can probably tell them to form their own opinions on the matter too so as to help them decide for themselves.

You do not have to follow his suggestion about borrowing money to invest in bitcoin because we never know what risk we can get while we use that money. It is better to use our own money, manage it, grow it, and profit from that because that will be safer for us without paying back the money. Besides that, we are learning to manage our money by having the bitcoin investment and accumulating more bitcoin for our future. We can use what he said but we need to divide what is really good for us and not use it without research furthermore.

Michael Saylor only pumps by promoting it when the price starts to drop and he buys more because he wants to protect his investment, Michael Saylor is an altruistic and idealistic Bitcoin promoter and founded MicroStrategy and bitcoin is hope.
and he tries to hypnotize everyone to get involved with bitcoin and give positive news to attract it, maybe for easy newbies but not for those who have been in this industry for a long time because they already know what developments are going on and also Michael Saylor who is very familiar with bitcoins.

this is a wise choice because indeed with your own money and money that is not really used for the near future is the best thing to invest.
indeed borrowing money is okay but maybe you should be able to be prepared with monthly installments that must be paid and interest, besides that you also have to face risks because the profits in short-term investments are very small and maybe even bitcoin itself is not really recommended

We don't know about their plans in details but I believe with their belief in Bitcoin, they will stack up more satoshis and Bitcoins for their portfolio. The unknown thing is how fast or slow will they stack up more.

Your calculation is right and this figure given is helpful to convince people that there are not many Bitcoin for all people on Earth. Only Microstrategy can buy many Bitcoin when it is cheap in their perspective. If more big institutional investors join the market, big party will be triggered. But in order to be part of future party, people should own Bitcoin or fragment of Bitcoin.

I wish him the best with his health but MicroStrategy have management structure to keep going with or without Saylor.

As far as recommendations to buy BTC are concerned, I would recommend that you refrain from doing so. The fact is that no one can know what will happen to Bitoin and its price, which means that if you recommend your friend to buy BTC and the price of BTC goes down, then you will probably be accused of losing money later. I would advise not to give recommendations on buying, but on the contrary, to give recommendations on the study of what BTC and the crypto market are, plus to study the history of the development of the crypto market and BTC. In other words, it is best to give information on the study, and let everyone choose to buy BTC or not. It happens that you recommend and a person without information buys and eventually loses, and this is bad for relationships and friendship.

Michael Saylor is telling people to buy no matter what happens with the market. It works for him (so far) because he can afford to do that. Even if his company fails, he probably has a few millions stashed away for some worst case scenario. This man will never work from paycheck to paycheck.

Poor or middle class people are in a vastly different situation than him, they need to be more careful with how they make investments. There was a post on reddit about a guy who watched to much Saylor's videos, though that Bitcoin will be going up and up, so he started doing leveraged trading and lost all his savings.