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Title: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Hydrogen on January 16, 2022, 11:04:05 PM Quote Many hospitals across the country are in crisis as cases surge and staffing is at critical lows. Hospitals nationwide are once again buckling under the strain of COVID-19 cases as the ultratransmissible omicron wave crashes into health care systems that are already critically short-staffed and exhausted from previous waves of the pandemic. The current situation is forcing states and hospitals to declare emergencies, deploy the National Guard, delay or cancel elective procedures, institute crisis standards of care, and allow health providers to stay at work even if they themselves are positive for COVID-19 because there is no one available to take their place. Together, the situation has some doctors openly worrying that the omicron wave will cause some systems to collapse in the coming weeks. "The comforting news that this variant generally causes milder disease overlooks the unfolding tragedy happening on the front lines," Craig Spencer, an emergency medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Irving Medical Center, wrote in a New York Times opinion piece Monday. Spencer noted that, unlike this time last year, there are effective COVID-19 treatment plans, therapeutics, and vaccines. "Yet these tools are still not enough to slow the rapid influx of patients we’re now seeing from omicron, and the situation is bleak for health workers and hospitals." Numbers and projections Currently, the seven-day average of daily COVID-19 cases is nearing 700,000—an all-time high in the pandemic. Meanwhile, daily hospitalizations are averaging over 132,000, up 83 percent in the course of two weeks. The number of hospitalizations is quickly nearing the all-time record of around 137,000 hospitalizations per day in the pandemic, which was set in mid-January last year. According to data reported by the Department of Health and Human Services, 77 percent of hospital beds in the country are occupied and 78 percent of beds in intensive care units are full. But the department's data can have lags, reflecting hospital usages that may be one to two weeks behind. For instance, physicians and researchers tracking hospital capacity suggest Maryland's hospitals may now be hitting capacity, based on a projection of lagging HHS hospital data that suggests hospital beds are only 79 percent full. In his online bulletin, Inside Medicine, Harvard emergency physician Jeremy Faust on Monday quoted a Maryland physician colleague as backing up the projection, saying: Quote I can attest the situation in Maryland is [expletive] horrendous. The state has been maxed out for about 2 weeks. Multiple hospitals are operating under crisis standard of care. EMS [i.e. ambulances] is now so taxed that Baltimore county started transporting people in fire trucks last week. This is absolutely unheard of and absurd. Reports of people waiting over 1-2 hours on scene with fire fighters before an EMS unit gets there. Then when they get to the hospital they wait literally hours for a bed. Transfer centers now just laugh when you call the system is so back logged. It’s mind boggling to me how none of this has been national news. Strained systems Though a smaller proportion of people infected with omicron appears to develop severe COVID-19, there's still a crush of patients, and some of them are suffering the worst of the disease. Last Friday, for instance, a hospital in Kansas ran out of ventilators amid a surge in COVID-19 cases, spurring the county board to issue a local emergency bulletin. In addition, omicron is reaching vulnerable populations that end up needing hospital care after omicron exacerbates a previous condition, such as diabetes. Meanwhile, seasonal flu and other conditions bringing people to hospitals are also at high levels. The surge of patients is coming at a time when overstretched hospitals are already critically understaffed and providers are facing extreme burnout. On Monday, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam issued a limited 30-day state of emergency to try to ease the strain on overburdened hospitals after the state saw record numbers of hospitalizations last week. The order allows hospitals to increase their bed capacity and increase staffing through a number of technical changes, such as adding flexibility for active out-of-state providers to practice in the state and expanding the ability of physician assistants to provide care. "Health care workers and hospitals are exhausted, and they are again facing increasing numbers of patients, affecting their ability to provide care," Gov. Northam said in a statement. "These steps will help ease the strain, giving medical professionals more flexibility to care for people. Ultimately, the best thing everyone can do for our hospitals and their staff is to get vaccinated." Easing the strain Neighboring Maryland issued a similar 30-day state of emergency last week to buttress the state's health care facilities amid record-high COVID-19 hospitalizations. "The truth is that the next four to six weeks will be the most challenging of the entire pandemic," Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said in a statement last week. "All of the emergency actions we are taking today are to keep our hospitals from overflowing, to keep our kids in school, and to keep Maryland open for business, and we will continue to take whatever actions are necessary in the very difficult days and weeks ahead." Gov. Hogan's order mobilized 1,000 members of the Maryland National Guard to assist state and local health officials. At least 10 states have called up National Guard members, spanning Oregon to New York, to help respond to the tidal wave of omicron cases and hospitalizations. For instance, Massachusetts deployed National Guard members in late December to hospitals deluged by COVID-19 patients. One of those facilities is UMass Memorial Medical Center, the main hospital in central Massachusetts, which is currently operating at 115 percent, according to a January 9 report by CNN. "It's just the perfect storm for a nightmare here in the emergency department," Dr. Eric Dickson, CEO of the hospital and an emergency physician, told the outlet. The staffing crisis also has led some hospitals, such as some in Rhode Island and Arizona, to allow medical providers to stay at work, even if they themselves are infected with COVID-19. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/01/hospitals-nationwide-are-buckling-under-omicron-as-cases-continue-to-spike/ .... A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. High numbers of americans drive across the border to mexico every year to receive healthcare treatments at greatly discounted prices. That is probably the best option many have to receive affordable heatlhcare. But surely we can do better than that? Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: romero121 on January 17, 2022, 03:27:46 AM A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. Government should consider this, beyond that it isn't possible to keep things under control. More than 85% of the people hold a medical insurance, so unlike the price they receive the treatment. Now the government need to focus on the remaining 15% who seems to homeless and unaffordable. If the government plan well, it can be solved.While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. Even now people are much into home remedies than reaching a hospital for the treatment. This is not because people aren't able to afford, this is just returning back to the old days of traditional healing. I'm not sure of what is the scenario in US. In my country people are getting used to it and not to faith healers.Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. High numbers of americans drive across the border to mexico every year to receive healthcare treatments at greatly discounted prices. That is probably the best option many have to receive affordable heatlhcare. But surely we can do better than that? Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Rruchi man on January 17, 2022, 09:14:11 AM People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. I certainly agree, in a period like this where the strength of your immune system matters alot, it would be wise for one to strive towards achieving better health. As a booster to your immune system, you should try to exercise more, eat more vegetables, drink more water, enjoy the fresh air, get some sunlight, eat fruits, reduce on the junk, take more vitamins, and have more rest.Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Poker Player on January 17, 2022, 09:38:05 AM Maybe the numbers will eventually prove me right, but I'm not worried about the new Omicron variant. The natural tendency in previous epidemics was to evolve to less deadly variants, and in some cases to disappear. In those times, no vaccines, no masks, nothing. I'm talking from the flu epidemics of ancient Greece, through the Black Death to the present day.
The fear of collapse is not from now, it is from the beginning of the epidemic. In fact, some hospitals collapsed, as in Italy. I don't know what will happen in the US but at least where I live Omicron does not seem to be a big threat. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. I certainly agree, in a period like this where the strength of your immune system matters alot, it would be wise for one to strive towards achieving better health. As a booster to your immune system, you should try to exercise more, eat more vegetables, drink more water, enjoy the fresh air, get some sunlight, eat fruits, reduce on the junk, take more vitamins, and have more rest.Yes, but that was a problem that existed before COVID. It is not specific to this. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Leviathan.007 on January 17, 2022, 10:22:04 AM The covid crisis made many markets collapse and made many people lose their jobs recently we hear much news from some countries where they are opening the businesses and finishing the lockdown, but this new virus omicron can make everything worse once again because we did face the economic crisis because of the covid and food price were increasing also the inflation rate in the world, this situation was even harder for poor people because they couldn't get a good healthcare service usually because of the financial problems in their country and now that's completely normal to see the doctors fear about omicron because the world is still facing with covid and not ready for this new crisis which can make everything worse.
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Gozie51 on January 17, 2022, 11:44:17 AM People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. I certainly agree, in a period like this where the strength of your immune system matters alot, it would be wise for one to strive towards achieving better health. As a booster to your immune system, you should try to exercise more, eat more vegetables, drink more water, enjoy the fresh air, get some sunlight, eat fruits, reduce on the junk, take more vitamins, and have more rest.These factors don't have anything to do with covid-19 or omicron variant of it if you expose yourself to it. Immune system is not just what it takes not to be affected, even with immune system some people are not strong enough to with stand certain challenges from birth. It is better to abstain from making contacts when not necessary or with an effected person or partner. The reason that immune system is not a strong point for me than abstaining is that even health workers despite their immune system and vaccination still wearing all the protective equipment to keep themselves safe. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: batang_bitcoin on January 17, 2022, 12:13:14 PM Well, even the countries that has the best medical system can't avoid the surge of covid-19. These new covid straints are really infectious and despite having the vaccine and the booster shots, no one is going to escape the contraction of it.
That's what we can do right, protect ourselves and have a stronger immune system. Eating healthy foods and having at least some days for exercise to strengthen our bodies. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: fiulpro on January 17, 2022, 03:35:04 PM This is something that is inevitable, considering how fast the virus is mutating, the mutations are something that's also combining themselves with other diseases like influenza etc. What's needed is : *immediate increase in healthcare professionals* but unfortunately we have to understand that it's impossible since the right way would be to increase the seats in the medical school. Where some countries are graduating the people from medical school early but not all countries would be doing that. Therefore I think the viable option would be providing education + at the same time asking the final year students to help out in the hospitals as well. It's hard but countries have to help each other out and balance everything.
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Ozero on January 17, 2022, 04:13:32 PM I do not think that we should be afraid of the collapse of healthcare due to the emergence of a new strain of coronavirus Omicron. It is predicted that by the end of this year, the coronavirus and its varieties will no longer bother people as much as they do now. Partly because the pandemic will subside, and partly because the media will not pay such close attention to it and constantly cover the statistics of cases and deaths.
In addition, the main danger of any virus manifests itself in the first years; in almost three years of fighting covid-19, a certain practice has been developed and many vaccines against this virus have been developed. So everything will be fine. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: el kaka22 on January 17, 2022, 05:55:02 PM One of the biggest problems with covid when it first started out was the fact that there were not enough room to take care of every patient. Sometimes even when you are at the best care possible, you will die and those numbers were low and people reacted as if that's fine, like "oh the death numbers are pretty low, we shouldn't even be wearing masks!!!!" and other moronic stuff.
It is not about just getting covid, it is about the hospital bed count being lower than the covid sick count. In that case we as community had to let some people literally die because of lack of enough hospital beds, this literally happened. Just because it is not happening right now, doesn't change the fact that some people died because they couldn't find hospital beds at one point. If that happens again, we are going to have a lot of death all over again and that is not alright. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: uneng on January 17, 2022, 08:45:50 PM The new omicron wave is responsible for the collapse in healthcare system as expected, due to its high contagious levels. But the good news is that mortality rates are lower than the previous strains, so I hope healthcare systems worldwide are going to stabilize again once people get infected and recover themselves, just like we have seen after the last peak of the pandemic.
For now we can follow the sanitary protocols, strength our immune systems with all the necessary nutrients acquired through the food and liquids we consume, daily exercises, contact with sunlinght and also avoiding any kind of negativity in our lives that may attack our immunity. It's also a good idea to store medications at home, because in some areas drugstores and hospitals are already lacking it. Covid tests are also scarce right now! Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: adaseb on January 18, 2022, 04:50:20 AM I don’t think it will collapse if it hasn’t collapsed already in the past when we weren’t prepared. Sure the cases are up but if you look at the death rate they are not rising at the same levels.
Seems the vaccines are working and people are getting a mild cold. Also numbers are higher now mostly due to Christmas gatherings and it’s winter and people usually get more sick in the winter. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: lovesmayfamilis on January 18, 2022, 10:21:24 AM In my country, people are scared of the new strain, and instead of not spreading panic, they are instead escalating the situation. Having survived the early strains of COVID-19, everyone runs at the slightest sign of a cold to medical institutions, thereby creating a burden on doctors. But not everyone comes there with Covid, but because of the large accumulation, they also acquire this virus for themselves.
I do not see any problem with this virus, since there are many ways to treat it today. In addition to the fact that vaccines have been invented, so if people themselves are more consistent in their decisions, I think there should not be any collapse. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: ultrloa on January 18, 2022, 12:21:52 PM In my country, people are scared of the new strain, and instead of not spreading panic, they are instead escalating the situation. Having survived the early strains of COVID-19, everyone runs at the slightest sign of a cold to medical institutions, thereby creating a burden on doctors. But not everyone comes there with Covid, but because of the large accumulation, they also acquire this virus for themselves. I do not see any problem with this virus, since there are many ways to treat it today. In addition to the fact that vaccines have been invented, so if people themselves are more consistent in their decisions, I think there should not be any collapse. We can also add that health professional already deal with the worse so there's totally no need to get panic on certain situation and its just government need to take action and put some heavy implementation towards the movement of the people so that the new strain will be controlled and it will not create any further damage like what happen on early stage of this covid-19 virus. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: AicecreaME on January 18, 2022, 12:45:56 PM The sudden increase of those people who are contacting the new covid-19 variant which is omicron is really alarming. The rate of people who suddenly exhibit the symptoms of omicron is rapidly rising in most parts of the world. Here in our country, we really haven't fully recovered yet and we are still in the process of regaining our freedom because of the restrictions, yet we are now in once again in the series of lockdowns and safety implementations. It is really depressing right now to think that there are many people that would be affected again especially now that the rules imposed are not really after the welfare of the majority. Right now, here in our country, the policies that are being implemented are not in favor of the poor. The public transportations only cater the vaccinated people and there is a rule which is "no vaccine, no ride". I don't know if in other countries this is also the policy, but it really violates the human rights.
I know we have to secure ourselves and take into consideration also the other people's welfare. But this should be into consideration of the human rights as well. We just really have different perspectives and we have various reasons as to why we opt to be vaccinated or not. As long as they are doing the safety protocol which is maintaining the physical distancing and wearing of face masks, they should be allowed to use the public transportation. Because after all, not everyone has the privileged to have private vehicles. Regarding the fear of health workers, it is really valid because the rise of those who are being sick with omicron is really fast happening. Most of the hospitals are now short staffed because some staffs already contacted the virus and they have no other choice but to prioritize themselves first. The facilities are slowly becoming full with covid-19 patients alongside with the normal patients which means they could hardly accommodate more people who try to be confined. There were even some incident reports that some hospitals now have to make a tent and temporary shelter so that they could still cater those people who badly need help. Vaccines are of great help to minimize the various spreading, but it does not guarantee full immunity from the virus. Hence, the explanation of why some vaccinated people still contact covid-19, but not as severe as those who are unvaccinated. I just hope that the health care workers would get the support they needed from the government. In that way, they could still push through and get their job done despite the pressure. Because as we all know, some health workers are underpaid despite their work being hazardous. I hope in every area of the world, the health workers would get the recognition they deserve. The recognition I'm talking about is not focused on praises and applause, but on the things the health workers deserve which are proper compensation, good and complete facilities, and of course, the rest that their body needs. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: laredo7mm on January 18, 2022, 01:16:23 PM A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. High numbers of americans drive across the border to mexico every year to receive healthcare treatments at greatly discounted prices. That is probably the best option many have to receive affordable heatlhcare. But surely we can do better than that? Do Americans use these home remedies and snake oil remedies? There is no law on these uses in the country? I used to think that this only happens in developing countries. How do you associate cryptocurrency with healthcare? I think it is possible to improve the health care system through the use of blockchain technology. Blockchain technology can be used to easily exchange information on medical reports and supplies of essential medicines and other supplies. Education and health care are very expensive in America. It is very important to solve this problem because it is a basic human need and it should be affordable for all. Therefore, I think the problem can be solved by making the education and health sector fully government-controlled. If in a country like America, the state of the health sector suffers as a result of the corona, then the picture of underdeveloped countries can be easily imagined. We have seen how the health sector collapsed in a country like India and many people died due to a lack of oxygen supply. I think if we don't develop our health sector globally, new diseases like corona will re-emerge any time. Therefore, in developed countries, plans need to be adopted on a larger scale. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Cling18 on January 18, 2022, 03:54:09 PM People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. I certainly agree, in a period like this where the strength of your immune system matters alot, it would be wise for one to strive towards achieving better health. As a booster to your immune system, you should try to exercise more, eat more vegetables, drink more water, enjoy the fresh air, get some sunlight, eat fruits, reduce on the junk, take more vitamins, and have more rest.This is definitely true where we're responsible for our own health and body. The government has their part when it comes to solving this issue but we also have a big part in taking care of our personal health. We should boost our immune system so we could shield ourselves from different variants that exist during this pandemic. The health care unit is having a hard time dealing with the never-ending pandemic situation so we must also help them by keeping ourselves healthy. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: 24Kt on January 18, 2022, 10:02:38 PM In my country, people are scared of the new strain, and instead of not spreading panic, they are instead escalating the situation. Having survived the early strains of COVID-19, everyone runs at the slightest sign of a cold to medical institutions, thereby creating a burden on doctors. But not everyone comes there with Covid, but because of the large accumulation, they also acquire this virus for themselves. I do not see any problem with this virus, since there are many ways to treat it today. In addition to the fact that vaccines have been invented, so if people themselves are more consistent in their decisions, I think there should not be any collapse. As it has been known now to the public, omicron seemed to have less dangerous as compared to older variants but said to be more contagious. By now, I believe that healthcare industry can better manage this situation as compared to when we were just starting the covid virus pandemic. If the symptoms are mild and not threatening, most of them are just advised to stay at home. And also, when it comes to the development of vaccine, I think, scientists will not be having difficulty of targeting this omicron variant in their developments. They already developed the covid vaccine and they will know how to adjust with this new variant or other emerging variants. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: dothebeats on January 18, 2022, 10:09:38 PM I personally don't really feel that the healthcare system would collapse on the omicron surge. They've been speaking of the same collapse since the last few surges within the last two years but healthcare services remain operational even up to now. There may be some hiccups on the medical care being provided but ultimately people are still receiving the medical attention that they need. Also, based on recent studies, Omicron is the first stage of the virus evolving into a somewhat milder yet highly contagious variant of the virus, meaning that it could ultimately be the natural vaccine that we are waiting for.
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: dezoel on January 18, 2022, 10:12:02 PM Staff quitting is not really that shocking considering the working conditions. I mean politicians do not do what they need to do in order to keep the numbers lower, and here we are talking about how vital the staff are and yet they do not get paid a lot. Doctors and every single other person who works in a hospital down to the accountant should be paid more than what they are paid right now, pay them 5x if you have to. Salary is not the main cost of hospitals, the medical equipment and drugs and machines are all the main costs, salary is nothing and they could afford to offer 2x more.
However, for some reason hospitals are trying to save from the salaries and instead hire more staff just in case, which ends with most staff leaving because of hard work and little pay. These are educated and qualified workers, you can't pay them low wages in a period like this, you can't even pay them regular wages, you have to pay insanely high wages because they are facing insanely difficult situations. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: paxmao on January 18, 2022, 10:24:03 PM It does not seem that Omicron is being a problem in most of the Western world, where a significant number of the population have chosen to take the so called vaccines (they are not really vaccines). The statistics are many times presented in a way that is biased, e.g. there are more omicron cases detected per day than ever in any wave - but not mentioning that intensive care units are at just 25% of use.
Overall, the impact in health will be more about the economic downturn suffered. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Silberman on January 18, 2022, 11:31:16 PM Maybe the numbers will eventually prove me right, but I'm not worried about the new Omicron variant. The natural tendency in previous epidemics was to evolve to less deadly variants, and in some cases to disappear. In those times, no vaccines, no masks, nothing. I'm talking from the flu epidemics of ancient Greece, through the Black Death to the present day. I agree with this, most of the time the most deadly version of a pandemic will be the first strain, after it the strains evolve to spread even faster and to more individuals at the cost of their lethality, so while I think that at some point most of the people around the world will get this new variant, it is not going to be as bad as what we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, and the hospitals will not get overcrowded even with a huge number of people fighting the disease, as most of them will get better with over the counter medicine and rest on their homes.The fear of collapse is not from now, it is from the beginning of the epidemic. In fact, some hospitals collapsed, as in Italy. I don't know what will happen in the US but at least where I live Omicron does not seem to be a big threat. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: SirLancelot on January 19, 2022, 06:16:49 AM most of the time the most deadly version of a pandemic will be the first strain, after it the strains evolve to spread even faster and to more individuals at the cost of their lethality, so while I think that at some point most of the people around the world will get this new variant, it is not going to be as bad as what we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, and the hospitals will not get overcrowded even with a huge number of people fighting the disease, as most of them will get better with over the counter medicine and rest on their homes. Yes, I was also going to say the same thing about this version of the coronavirus, Omicron. I read about it on the WHO website, and from what I understood, it is not as deadly as the first version of the covid19 virus, because they have said that there has been less hospitalization, but even at that, they still advised people to do the necessary things that they are meant to do to avoid the spread of the virus, so that there wouldn’t be a lot of strain on healthcare workers.So, this version seems to be less severe, but even at that that,it doesn’t mean we should be careless about it. We should all still be very careful and watch our steps and do our best as much as possible to make sure that we avoid this virus and put an end to it once and for all. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: davis196 on January 19, 2022, 06:59:57 AM Quote Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. How can cryptocurrencies improve the healthcare system and make healthcare more affordable? I don't see a way for this happen. Changing the currency you use to buy something won't make the thing you are buying cheaper. The problem with the US healthcare system is that it is more "free market" oriented than the European healthcare systems.Creating a "healthcare market" is a bad thing,because the market can be distorted and this can increase the prices to unprecedented levels.Almost all the affordable healthcare systems around the world are dominated by the governments and the private sector inside the healthcare system is heavily regulated. By the way,I'm sure that the Omicron wave won't lead to the collapse of any healthcare system located in the developed countries.I'm not sure about the underdeveloped countries,though. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Kakmakr on January 19, 2022, 07:02:32 AM It turns out that the so-called "Omicron" variant was just a storm in a cup and it was heavily hyped as being one of the worst variants we had. Most medical staff agree that previous variants like the Delta variant was much worst and that the Omicron variant was more like the flu for most people. ::)
Yes, some people with underlying medical conditions did experience severe symptoms and some even died, but more people died from previous variants. So, did the media and governments overreact to this so-called NEW variant.... Yes! they did... and they were proven wrong. Hospitals report a much lower hospitalization and incubation rate and Phizer even received the green light for their new pill that will reduce adverse reactions to the Covid virus. ;) Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on January 19, 2022, 07:19:07 AM Maybe the numbers will eventually prove me right, but I'm not worried about the new Omicron variant. The natural tendency in previous epidemics was to evolve to less deadly variants, and in some cases to disappear. In those times, no vaccines, no masks, nothing. I'm talking from the flu epidemics of ancient Greece, through the Black Death to the present day. I agree with this, most of the time the most deadly version of a pandemic will be the first strain, after it the strains evolve to spread even faster and to more individuals at the cost of their lethality, so while I think that at some point most of the people around the world will get this new variant, it is not going to be as bad as what we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, and the hospitals will not get overcrowded even with a huge number of people fighting the disease, as most of them will get better with over the counter medicine and rest on their homes.The fear of collapse is not from now, it is from the beginning of the epidemic. In fact, some hospitals collapsed, as in Italy. I don't know what will happen in the US but at least where I live Omicron does not seem to be a big threat. but that doesn't mean we just ignore it because after all we remain careful and take care of ourselves Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: barbara44 on January 19, 2022, 01:58:30 PM I believe that if the government can plan well on this, then it would be an issue that would be solved. The most problem that we do have with the government is that they seem to be neglecting a lot of things. There are things that would be happening, and it would seem like the government is totally neglecting everything and acting like they are not even aware of it. If they can bring out their time and table the matter to discuss it, then they will definitely come up with an idea on how to go about all this.
Although I don’t really get why you attached cryptocurrency to that, because I can’t really wrap my mind around how cryptocurrency would really be of help in a situation like this. Cryptocurrency is useful in the areas that we know of, but I just can’t really understand how it is going to be helpful here, I would appreciate if you can explain it so that others will get to know, thank you. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Oceat on January 19, 2022, 06:15:00 PM I do not think that we should be afraid of the collapse of healthcare due to the emergence of a new strain of coronavirus Omicron. It is predicted that by the end of this year, the coronavirus and its varieties will no longer bother people as much as they do now. Partly because the pandemic will subside, and partly because the media will not pay such close attention to it and constantly cover the statistics of cases and deaths. I hope so that it would happen by the end of this year since covid-19 is causing a lot of trouble to the whole world.In addition, the main danger of any virus manifests itself in the first years; in almost three years of fighting covid-19, a certain practice has been developed and many vaccines against this virus have been developed. So everything will be fine. But what if you are wrong about the prediction then I guess we're all fucked up, right? And also, I don't know if the health care workers would just take advantage of this pandemic if the media keep reporting the covid-19 cases almost everyday. If the prediction of the other is true like there's another variant of virus again, then I don't this year will be enough just like what they have predicted. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 19, 2022, 06:31:37 PM I call BS on this one, and I don't care how many scientists/doctors from Harvard are interviewed. And not for nothing, but I knew a Harvard medical school grad who turned into a disgraced neurosurgeon and "doctor feelgood" who all the opiate addicts would flock to with cash in hand to get their Percocets--which is to say that I don't trust arguments from credentials per se.
But the reason I see this bit of news as crap is because we've heard this story before--right at the beginning of the pandemic, in fact. Remember all those stories of how the US couldn't get enough ventilators to keep up with demand and that coroner's offices couldn't keep up with the number of corpses because of COVID (I think that was in NYC)? Well, those stories got the fear response they were out for and then quietly disappeared once the real situation turned out not to be nearly as bad as all the talking heads were saying. You want to get back to normal? Take some personal responsibility and just go back to normal and stop living in fear and government mandates. They don't know anything about what's going on anyway, so why let them tell you what the facts are or what you should be doing with your life? Unless you're 75 or older or have serious comorbidity, your chances of dying from COVID are slim to none. And if you fit into any of those categories, then keep yourself safe but let the rest of us be free. where a significant number of the population have chosen to take the so called vaccines (they are not really vaccines). I'm not an anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist and don't mean to come off that way. I'm curious about your statement. If those aren't vaccines, what do you think they are? Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 19, 2022, 11:08:50 PM Met with one of my clients today (who just happened to mention bitcoin , asking me if I thought it was a good investment etc ) who works for a hospital and said omicron has been an absolute disaster for them. She said she had one person who’s been sitting in the ER for over 36 hours right now just trying to get in to be seen and a proper room. She said she and other medical professionals at the hospital have been completely overwhelmed. Just thought I’d share some insight in to what we are seeing here in Chicago.
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 19, 2022, 11:25:15 PM Just thought I’d share some insight in to what we are seeing here in Chicago. In my above post, it probably sounds like I'm minimizing experiences like yours, but that wasn't my intent. Still, I think the fear is overblown and the media won't let up. I have to wonder how many people are visiting emergency rooms because they think they have COVID and are frightened unreasonably that they might die from it, i.e., they don't belong in any of the high-risk categories. From everything I've read the omicron strain (not sure why they're called "variants" now, but it could be my ignorance) is more transmissible but far less lethal than the other ones. I'd also add that I think people are being fed the wrong statistics with regard to COVID, and that's purposely being done to crank up the fear factor--and remember, I'm not a conspiracy theorist! All I hear about is positivity rates and transmissibility, when the only statistic that should matter is death rate. No matter how hard we try, people are going to get sick. The government's policies should be aimed solely at reducing mortality, and even then I think society is sacrificing a lot of freedom in the name of safety and security. That's bad. The health care system isn't going to collapse. There may be some strain on its resources, but again....that's what we were being told in 2020. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Fortify on January 19, 2022, 11:36:26 PM A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. High numbers of americans drive across the border to mexico every year to receive healthcare treatments at greatly discounted prices. That is probably the best option many have to receive affordable heatlhcare. But surely we can do better than that? I'm not sure cryptocurrencies can provide any help to this situation, however the blockchain technology surely has functional and practical usage within the medical supply chain. Unfortunately politicians in the USA care more about appeasing lobbyists (who have the financing to fund their opponents instead) rather than looking out for the best interests of the majority of people. Until lobbying is banned (along with stock market insider trading by the very same politicians) then it will be almost impossible to fight back against the established order of billionaires consolidating money into fewer hands. You have a rather sick society when a handful of people earn more in a few days of January than the rest of the country will for the whole year combined. Politicians work on relatively short timescales, however these fixes need to stay in place for long term to work. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Darker45 on January 20, 2022, 08:49:33 AM The healthcare system could make use of the blockchain technology to improve their services and become more efficient, but I cannot understand why a cryptocurrency has to be made. How would the healthcare services improve with a token? There have been health and healthcare related crypto projects in the past. I guess almost all of them have already been abandoned.
Anyway, on the individual level what a person should care about is his/her health not healthcare. Healthcare could either be provided by the government or by private healthcare facilities, but governments should always make sure that healthcare services are available and accessible, affordable, and effective. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: tygeade on January 21, 2022, 09:51:41 AM A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. For me, the emergency of this new variant called Omicron should not lead us to panic or into thinking that the health care system is going to break down. It should be a clarion call for each and every one to play his part in making sure that the rate at which it moves from one person to another is controlled to the barest form.While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. And we can do this by simple obeying our doctors by getting vaccinated, receiving our booster jab, putting on mask in large gatherings and eating health to keep our immune system strong to be able to attack even if we get infected. And with this hospitals will not fall into crisis and their will be no need to have low staffing. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: kaya11 on January 21, 2022, 02:52:58 PM In my country, people are scared of the new strain, and instead of not spreading panic, they are instead escalating the situation. Having survived the early strains of COVID-19, everyone runs at the slightest sign of a cold to medical institutions, thereby creating a burden on doctors. But not everyone comes there with Covid, but because of the large accumulation, they also acquire this virus for themselves. I do not see any problem with this virus, since there are many ways to treat it today. In addition to the fact that vaccines have been invented, so if people themselves are more consistent in their decisions, I think there should not be any collapse. As it has been known now to the public, omicron seemed to have less dangerous as compared to older variants but said to be more contagious. By now, I believe that healthcare industry can better manage this situation as compared to when we were just starting the covid virus pandemic. If the symptoms are mild and not threatening, most of them are just advised to stay at home. And also, when it comes to the development of vaccine, I think, scientists will not be having difficulty of targeting this omicron variant in their developments. They already developed the covid vaccine and they will know how to adjust with this new variant or other emerging variants. Despite the sacrifices of those scientist who were researching for vaccines, the discipline in our country is getting worst. Covid cases surges more that we imagine just because the hard headed people violates the protocols of our local authorities. They party whenever they want and go mingling, socializing and now it the active cases are somewhat unexplainable. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Oasisman on January 21, 2022, 05:41:07 PM Met with one of my clients today (who just happened to mention bitcoin , asking me if I thought it was a good investment etc ) who works for a hospital and said omicron has been an absolute disaster for them. She said she had one person who’s been sitting in the ER for over 36 hours right now just trying to get in to be seen and a proper room. She said she and other medical professionals at the hospital have been completely overwhelmed. Just thought I’d share some insight in to what we are seeing here in Chicago. The same thing here in my place. A lot of people has been rushed to the hospital because of Omicron cases, but yeah they're milder than the original Covid. If you have breath or lung related case when you come to the hospital, you'll probably end up to the long queue of the same cases before you can secure a room plus the protocols will even make you stay outside longer for more than 36hrs. I don't know but I guess we're also in the state of seasonal flu. A lot of people also got sick with high fever, colds, and cough. Even me I just recovered after a week of suffering from a Covid like flu symptoms. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Findingnemo on January 21, 2022, 11:48:55 PM Definitely yes, that's why governments are implementing border cut down, lockdown and restrictions, booster vaccines,etc because there is not enough doctor to diagnose and treat patients if the spreading speed persists same as of now in the next few weeks. Well surprisingly omicron surge really affected the psychology of people because I am having flue, headache and slight pain in the throat for the past three days and when I look into the Google all the symptoms matches with Omicron. :-\
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Cookdata on January 22, 2022, 03:09:54 AM What doesn't kill you will only stronger! I'm not immune to any virus but I have tried my best to stay out if any diseases and virus that may attacked my system, the way the government is tackling this virus is becoming a bone that has hang on the neck and when use water to flush it down, it refuse to go down, thats exactly what is happening with this governments and the virus.
I just hope, one very day, our children will once go back how they live there normally without been cage and instructed on how to interact and move with social life. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: iv4n on January 22, 2022, 09:00:29 AM ... I just hope, one very day, our children will once go back how they live there normally without been cage and instructed on how to interact and move with social life. I think some "new normal" is coming, or it came already... and that "new normal" has very little with some normal things from my childhood, without TV's and computers, and many other things that are "so normal"! Sometimes I try to remember the times when we didn't have mobile phones, how everything worked back than?! Healthcare collapsed a long time ago, at least in my country! It was bad before, now it's a disaster! Before the pandemic waiting for magnetic resonance imaging was around 7-8 months, now it's over a year... my country is in some transition before everything was free, now we have many private doctors and sometimes the only way to get yourself checked is going to them and paying! It's not a problem in paying, but they take a part of my paycheck every month for healthcare, but they don't provide it, in the end I still need to go private doctor and pay more! Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: so98nn on January 22, 2022, 11:02:44 AM The problem is not with the healthcare system it’s with the peeps who is not agreeing to COVID restrictions that they should be focusing on. Many of them are creating buzz about why they should wear the mask, why they should be injected with the vaccine etc.
The thing is that’s the only way to break the chain of pandemic otherwise it’s way easy for virus to spread and multiply. Being biotech guy, I know one thing for sure; we are way way away from closing down the pandemic. As peeps are not listening to the preventions they will give the virus a chance to flourish in our bodies and it records the current state of genetic information and as it passes on infecting others it goes mutated. There comes the scope of another variant and it goes on. I think everyone should be educated in this regards so that they would understand why it’s important to be protected rather than have the temporary freedom! The faster it spread the faster it’s gonna mutate all the time. That’s what the function of survival is in the first place! I hope that healthcare system will hold on for now the burden which it has got. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: cheezcarls on January 22, 2022, 12:02:34 PM Quote Many hospitals across the country are in crisis as cases surge and staffing is at critical lows. Hospitals nationwide are once again buckling under the strain of COVID-19 cases as the ultratransmissible omicron wave crashes into health care systems that are already critically short-staffed and exhausted from previous waves of the pandemic. The current situation is forcing states and hospitals to declare emergencies, deploy the National Guard, delay or cancel elective procedures, institute crisis standards of care, and allow health providers to stay at work even if they themselves are positive for COVID-19 because there is no one available to take their place. Together, the situation has some doctors openly worrying that the omicron wave will cause some systems to collapse in the coming weeks. "The comforting news that this variant generally causes milder disease overlooks the unfolding tragedy happening on the front lines," Craig Spencer, an emergency medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Irving Medical Center, wrote in a New York Times opinion piece Monday. Spencer noted that, unlike this time last year, there are effective COVID-19 treatment plans, therapeutics, and vaccines. "Yet these tools are still not enough to slow the rapid influx of patients we’re now seeing from omicron, and the situation is bleak for health workers and hospitals." Numbers and projections Currently, the seven-day average of daily COVID-19 cases is nearing 700,000—an all-time high in the pandemic. Meanwhile, daily hospitalizations are averaging over 132,000, up 83 percent in the course of two weeks. The number of hospitalizations is quickly nearing the all-time record of around 137,000 hospitalizations per day in the pandemic, which was set in mid-January last year. According to data reported by the Department of Health and Human Services, 77 percent of hospital beds in the country are occupied and 78 percent of beds in intensive care units are full. But the department's data can have lags, reflecting hospital usages that may be one to two weeks behind. For instance, physicians and researchers tracking hospital capacity suggest Maryland's hospitals may now be hitting capacity, based on a projection of lagging HHS hospital data that suggests hospital beds are only 79 percent full. In his online bulletin, Inside Medicine, Harvard emergency physician Jeremy Faust on Monday quoted a Maryland physician colleague as backing up the projection, saying: Quote I can attest the situation in Maryland is [expletive] horrendous. The state has been maxed out for about 2 weeks. Multiple hospitals are operating under crisis standard of care. EMS [i.e. ambulances] is now so taxed that Baltimore county started transporting people in fire trucks last week. This is absolutely unheard of and absurd. Reports of people waiting over 1-2 hours on scene with fire fighters before an EMS unit gets there. Then when they get to the hospital they wait literally hours for a bed. Transfer centers now just laugh when you call the system is so back logged. It’s mind boggling to me how none of this has been national news. Strained systems Though a smaller proportion of people infected with omicron appears to develop severe COVID-19, there's still a crush of patients, and some of them are suffering the worst of the disease. Last Friday, for instance, a hospital in Kansas ran out of ventilators amid a surge in COVID-19 cases, spurring the county board to issue a local emergency bulletin. In addition, omicron is reaching vulnerable populations that end up needing hospital care after omicron exacerbates a previous condition, such as diabetes. Meanwhile, seasonal flu and other conditions bringing people to hospitals are also at high levels. The surge of patients is coming at a time when overstretched hospitals are already critically understaffed and providers are facing extreme burnout. On Monday, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam issued a limited 30-day state of emergency to try to ease the strain on overburdened hospitals after the state saw record numbers of hospitalizations last week. The order allows hospitals to increase their bed capacity and increase staffing through a number of technical changes, such as adding flexibility for active out-of-state providers to practice in the state and expanding the ability of physician assistants to provide care. "Health care workers and hospitals are exhausted, and they are again facing increasing numbers of patients, affecting their ability to provide care," Gov. Northam said in a statement. "These steps will help ease the strain, giving medical professionals more flexibility to care for people. Ultimately, the best thing everyone can do for our hospitals and their staff is to get vaccinated." Easing the strain Neighboring Maryland issued a similar 30-day state of emergency last week to buttress the state's health care facilities amid record-high COVID-19 hospitalizations. "The truth is that the next four to six weeks will be the most challenging of the entire pandemic," Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said in a statement last week. "All of the emergency actions we are taking today are to keep our hospitals from overflowing, to keep our kids in school, and to keep Maryland open for business, and we will continue to take whatever actions are necessary in the very difficult days and weeks ahead." Gov. Hogan's order mobilized 1,000 members of the Maryland National Guard to assist state and local health officials. At least 10 states have called up National Guard members, spanning Oregon to New York, to help respond to the tidal wave of omicron cases and hospitalizations. For instance, Massachusetts deployed National Guard members in late December to hospitals deluged by COVID-19 patients. One of those facilities is UMass Memorial Medical Center, the main hospital in central Massachusetts, which is currently operating at 115 percent, according to a January 9 report by CNN. "It's just the perfect storm for a nightmare here in the emergency department," Dr. Eric Dickson, CEO of the hospital and an emergency physician, told the outlet. The staffing crisis also has led some hospitals, such as some in Rhode Island and Arizona, to allow medical providers to stay at work, even if they themselves are infected with COVID-19. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/01/hospitals-nationwide-are-buckling-under-omicron-as-cases-continue-to-spike/ .... A greater quantity of COVID driven healthcare demand coupled with higher strain on existing healthcare. Could result in scarcity which will inevitably drive healthcare prices even higher. If the united states thought healthcare was expensive pre COVID crisis. I can't imagine how much worse conditions could potentially deteriorate post COVID crisis. While certainly the worst case scenario is bad enough. It could also trigger a resurgence of home remedies and snake oil medical treatments. Due to people not being able to afford medical care. Faith healers, alternative health movements and holistic remedies could all make a strong resurgence. Cryptocurrencies, I think could be developed to improve healthcare in the united states and worldwide. There are many obvious steps to improve healthcare. People taking steps to exercise more and be healthier would go a long way towards making healthcare more affordable for all. As would people refraining from drug and substance abuse. These are not necessarily issues for government to solve. But has more to do with choices made on an individual level. High numbers of americans drive across the border to mexico every year to receive healthcare treatments at greatly discounted prices. That is probably the best option many have to receive affordable heatlhcare. But surely we can do better than that? Omicron has disrupted my travel plans again, especially my birthday plans days ago where I just had a simple celebration with family instead of inviting my extended family. To be honest, I never got infected or having a positive result of COVID since the beginning of the pandemic and I’m fully vaccinated as well with Moderna. Planning to have a booster shot as well, maybe Phzer. After everything calmed down last month, we’re on our worst surge here in the Philippines. Restrictions are slowly going back again, so yeah it really sucks. The health care system here in the country isn’t impressive because of the lack of funds, facilities, manpower, etc. I just hope that Omicron would finally be the “endgame” of everything and a possibility for us to shift from pandemic to endemic. In the end, we’re going to simply treat this as a normal flu in the future as long we keep ourselves vaccinated. It’s my choice of getting vaccine because I don’t want to be hospitalized despite having a strong immune system. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: pinggoki on January 22, 2022, 12:23:45 PM If they didn't see healthcare as a means to make huge profit then we wouldn't be seeing this kind of problem, they jacked up the prices of medicines to the point of collapse and they don't pay the staff enough because they want to maximize profits over the fact that they need more people to work on those hospitals so here's the result.
Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: sana54210 on January 22, 2022, 09:14:36 PM To be honest, I never got infected or having a positive result of COVID since the beginning of the pandemic and I’m fully vaccinated as well with Moderna. Planning to have a booster shot as well, maybe Phzer. After everything calmed down last month, we’re on our worst surge here in the Philippines. Restrictions are slowly going back again, so yeah it really sucks. The health care system here in the country isn’t impressive because of the lack of funds, facilities, manpower, etc. We had a long period of lockdowns in my nation, my wife couldn't celebrate her birthday for 2 years in a row now, we were all in our homes and couldn't even get a cake for her, got some store cakes to be fair but not the usual birth day cake. So all in all I know what you are going through, I have seen it with my own eyes.I just hope that Omicron would finally be the “endgame” of everything and a possibility for us to shift from pandemic to endemic. In the end, we’re going to simply treat this as a normal flu in the future as long we keep ourselves vaccinated. It’s my choice of getting vaccine because I don’t want to be hospitalized despite having a strong immune system. At the end of the day, pandemic hit us all hard. Not only we had people who died, but we also had economical problems at the same time. I would understand if we could have done just one or the other but we had it both. Like just take the USA for example, they had 7%+ inflation, which I believe is a lot higher, and they also had hundreds of thousands of people died as well, if they had no economical problem but dead people that would be sad but you would say they let things be, if there were very little amount of dead people but no economical problems you would say they saved people, but with both a lot of dead AND economical problems, we are talking about a failure there. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: worldofcoins on January 23, 2022, 04:22:03 PM I personally don't really feel that the healthcare system would collapse on the omicron surge. They've been speaking of the same collapse since the last few surges within the last two years but healthcare services remain operational even up to now. There may be some hiccups on the medical care being provided but ultimately people are still receiving the medical attention that they need. Also, based on recent studies, Omicron is the first stage of the virus evolving into a somewhat milder yet highly contagious variant of the virus, meaning that it could ultimately be the natural vaccine that we are waiting for. I know this covid seriously destroyed many dreams and turned much happiness into sadness. I heard many people start their organizing in march 2020 and end up like they never occur. I know how people lock themself in their houses and cry for food, and now we're going to face all this Crysis again due to the omicron virus which recently came into among us. Talk about cryptocurrencies; no, I don't think these cryptocurrencies can do anything to cure the covid crisis. It's all up to us how we manage and save ourselves from this disease ^-^ Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Quidat on January 23, 2022, 05:01:27 PM I personally don't really feel that the healthcare system would collapse on the omicron surge. They've been speaking of the same collapse since the last few surges within the last two years but healthcare services remain operational even up to now. There may be some hiccups on the medical care being provided but ultimately people are still receiving the medical attention that they need. Also, based on recent studies, Omicron is the first stage of the virus evolving into a somewhat milder yet highly contagious variant of the virus, meaning that it could ultimately be the natural vaccine that we are waiting for. I know this covid seriously destroyed many dreams and turned much happiness into sadness. I heard many people start their organizing in march 2020 and end up like they never occur. I know how people lock themself in their houses and cry for food, and now we're going to face all this Crysis again due to the omicron virus which recently came into among us. Talk about cryptocurrencies; no, I don't think these cryptocurrencies can do anything to cure the covid crisis. It's all up to us how we manage and save ourselves from this disease ^-^ they do really need to prove out on whats their truly benefit or function yet we know that we've been paying it up in the first place which it is just right that we do able to benefit out. Hopefully we would really be going back into our normal lives again. Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: Coyster on January 23, 2022, 05:28:26 PM If they didn't see healthcare as a means to make huge profit then we wouldn't be seeing this kind of problem, they jacked up the prices of medicines to the point of collapse and they don't pay the staff enough because they want to maximize profits over the fact that they need more people to work on those hospitals so here's the result. If I'm correct I guess you're talking about the U.S. government, the thing is, I do not think this current situation is peculiar to just the United States of America, I believe every country is as well facing one or two problems with their healthcare system due to the rising cases of covid19 and the need to attend to more people, I know the healthcare sector is one very important aspect of our society today, but we must understand that they can't function without funds, especially at this crucial time, I don't know how high it costs in the U.S. cause I don't live there, but where I'm from things have as well gone high, making it slightly difficult to afford, but I do not entirely put the blame on the government. The pandemic is something we all didn't plan for, and steps are still being taken to get things under control by governments that are at least honest with their people.Title: Re: Doctors fear health care collapse amid omicron surge Post by: andriarto on January 25, 2022, 01:30:41 PM I personally don't really feel that the healthcare system would collapse on the omicron surge. They've been speaking of the same collapse since the last few surges within the last two years but healthcare services remain operational even up to now. There may be some hiccups on the medical care being provided but ultimately people are still receiving the medical attention that they need. Also, based on recent studies, Omicron is the first stage of the virus evolving into a somewhat milder yet highly contagious variant of the virus, meaning that it could ultimately be the natural vaccine that we are waiting for. I know this covid seriously destroyed many dreams and turned much happiness into sadness. I heard many people start their organizing in march 2020 and end up like they never occur. I know how people lock themself in their houses and cry for food, and now we're going to face all this Crysis again due to the omicron virus which recently came into among us. Talk about cryptocurrencies; no, I don't think these cryptocurrencies can do anything to cure the covid crisis. It's all up to us how we manage and save ourselves from this disease ^-^ |