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El Salvador has legalised bitcoin and just for a thought I was evaluating that the country purchased btc in 30k range and after a few weeks purchased in 50k range and now it's dumping and again seems to touch 30/40 k range. Such a huge volatility means big players are manipulating bitcoin. So is that good for motivating other countries to make it legal tender as currency? The whales have deep roots in btc and it will always be a drawback for the organic growth of Bitcoin. And donot forget blockchain technology is known by bitcoin! Am I right?

Or like.. you know.. some assets are simply volatile. It doesn't automatically mean that the so-called "wHaLeS" are deliberately manipulating the market. Bitcoin or any other asset's price can drop simply because the holders are selling. 🤷‍♂️

Price increase = adoption!  :)
Price drop = MANIPULATION!!1!  >:(

If a country wants to adopt bitcoin, they should get analysts that will also help, there will be a time to buy in a way it will help. The countries should always tell their citizens how using bitcoin is can be risky.

 El Salvador adopted bitcoin successfully.

Bitcoin is not a coin that can be said to be manipulated, its marketcap has increased to a level beyond to be called manipulation, Bitcoin is not those pump and dump altcoins or shitcoins that can easily be manipulated by whales. Even if manipulated successfully, ATH will still come.

Adoption is what we should look more into because price increase and drop in a way long term result is still increase. It is still adoption.

Yes, the so called "whales"(basically just people with a crap ton of BTC) actually do exist, but they can only manipulate the market to a certain extent; but definitely not the case where most people think that they totally control the bitcoin market or something that ludicrous.

But yea, as the marketcrap increases, it's just going to get harder and harder.

Whales can't have total control in this market. They may make a dent at some point, but will not significantly alter the market.
I don't understand why some people are still thinking that this market can easily be manipulated by whales.
A lot of factors are contributing this up and down movement. As more stakeholders are joining this market, expect a roller coaster ride.
We can only see clear manipulation in most small cap alts. Where small buy can tremendously change the percent change in the market.

Now BTC 42K, already can properly buy, 38K can buy a lot, 70K will come once again, it is recommended to sell 65K. Because you can never get 30K

We have to remember that Bitcoin is decentralised so I'm sure there are trades
happening which cannot happen in traditional markets. Whale manipulation
has always been present in the Bitcoin markets, its not a new thing so thats not
going to dissuade people or countries from getting into Bitcoin.

Whale manipulation is nothing to be worried about if you are a HODLer and
they can only manipulate to a certain degree.

no one is manipulating the market, it happens that like every market when people are already profitable they simply sell, this is normal. we cannot expect everyone to do hodl, there are hundreds of people who bought at 30,000$ and as soon as the price reached 60,000$ they started selling and are selling even now and will probably buy when the price is lower (if it is more low, something I don't believe happens)


this volatility does not prevent countries from adopting bitcoin

This is the reason Bitcoin becomes harder to manipulate when the market cap increases too much and keeps it going, it becomes harder and harder to manipulate and I tend to agree with your statement.  I believe Bitcoin can be still manipulated but in a different way like spreading FUD or other bad news in social media that turn people to become panic selling.

Those countries that have been done adopting Bitcoin are already having dip research and I think they found out that there's a potential in investing in Bitcoin because not only 1-2 countries now have been doing this, there are few of them which means each of them saw a brighter future embracing Bitcoin.

I agree, and there's no denying that everyone treats bitcoin that way, buying when the price is low and selling when the price is up and it's profitable and that makes the price of bitcoin go down because of the sell-off after a new high.
and it's normal it will continue to happen every time ATH happens because a lot of people are profiting and everyone is a whale the difference is the big whale and the little whale, and it will probably happen again because now is the perfect time to make buy and hold until a new high is reached and sell.
and that is the occurrence of unavoidable volatility.

Agree with you. Emotional reactions from people who don't have enough experience in Bitcoin market. They said it because they don't have experience and only look at short term movements.

Manipulations are everywhere, in every market as well as ups and downs. Market can not rise forever and if it is a good market, downs are vitamins for healthy growth. Fortunately, we have a healthy Bitcoin network and Bitcoin market.

Pretty much people over-investing without even knowing how Bitcoin works or how markets work in general. When these types of people lose money, instead of blaming their own ignorance, they look for someone to blame. And in most cases — it's the "whales" that MaNiPuLaTe tHe MaRkEtS.

Why we always equate about the price going down to manipulation? Maybe it's obvious that it's not only whales are selling, even average joe and retail investors are. And regarding El Salvador's purchases, I think the President took the risk to invest and legalised bitcoin so we can't blame him for that though. Bitcoin has been and always volatile regardless if there is manipulation or not.

Bitcoin price going down isn't always the effect of manipulation. The money that comes in to the bitcoin market should flow towards something else one way or another, and investors are free to do that. This doesn't mean manipulation at all, it's just taking profits. The market is already too big for manipulators to exist, or if they do they can only affect a portion of the market, but still not enough to induce bear markets of high severity and long durations.

Unlike you, the countries don't care about short term volatility. They look at the bigger picture where price was $4k last year and it is $40k this year.

Bitcoin price cannot be manipulated in the way you think it is. The effects are small and most of the times short lived. Also more importantly as the market grows the manipulation becomes increasingly harder. For example we don't have the same market manipulation in 2020+ that we had in 2010 to 2014. It has decreased in effectiveness by a lot.

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It's only Bitcoin holders that have confidence to retain or bank cryptocurrency especially bitcoin for long time, even to the time Bitcoin is downgrading, people that is not acclimatized with bitcoin regulations will panic to evacuate or sell out what they have at hand to generate profit and avoid lost of their investment, but a qualified investor doesn't consider the down fall of bitcoin, they always think big  and positive to predict the future of cryptocurrency, for more profit for an interval of a year or two years gap or difference.

this is speculation only but this is the high chance that the price of Bitcoin will get . Tho 30k has a chance in red days which a lot will buy but for now when seeings l the price i think it will stabilize sometime. btc price has grown a lot now and it is really amazing since the price skyrocket

Price volatility is really an issue with Bitcoin. It is not to be denied that it is going to be economically and financially challenging for any country to adopt Bitcoin as its legal tender. But the adoption of Bitcoin in El Salvador is not really a huge issue when it comes to Bitcoin's lack of price stability because the USD is still there as another, or even the main, legal tender. Even if declared as a legal tender, Bitcoin is still an option to the people. If they prefer to use the USD for its stability, then they are free to do so. But don't forget that price volatility doesn't take away the reasons why Bitcoin is an excellent currency.

Yeah, there's always the manipulation in our minds when the price is moving according to its volatility and not with the favor that we like.

Well, there's no need for any motivation for the other countries that will make it as a legal tender. If they think that it's a good one to make then they should make their own move and have their own reason why they should make bitcoin as a legal tender.

Why whenever we see Bitcoin going down, we always say things like "Yeah this whales are manipulating again the market" blah blah blah??
Enough of this nonsense phrase because Bitcoin in 2021 isn't the same as Bitcoin in 2017 where it is heavily manipulated by these rich people. Bitcoin's market cap has increased already therefore, the chances of whales manipulating Bitcoin is very low and in order for them to do it they need a huge amount of money and a bit of coordination maybe :D.

Instead of seeing the price drop of Bitcoin as manipulation, see it as a correction that has been made by many investors who chose to take profit at its peak. The price drop isn't only because of these big holders of Bitcoin who sold most or all of their holdings but many, many investors who either took profit or sold at a loss because they see Bitcoin going down already. Enough of the manipulation shit already. Its 2022 already. At least change the way you think regarding Bitcoin's price movement.

A closer reason: The government wants to keep its people's finances under control. Governments can also manipulate policies that don't actually make them better. As has happened in the country of Elsalvador, eventually people realize that they are not actually transacting with real bitcoins when they are required to use a centralized wallet. This is a sign that the government is centralizing the bitcoins circulating in the country so that they can be controlled, like funds that suddenly disappear (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2021/12/30/after-identity-theft-salvadorans-now-report-funds-disappearing-from-chivo-wallets/).

Bitcoin will actually be legal as a means of payment if residents are allowed to transact through non-custodial wallets.

The Bitcoin market is already too big for whales to manipulate, it requires very large capital to manipulate now. So I doubt that the cause of
the decline in the price of Bitcoin is due to manipulation by whales, especially with the many institutions that invest in Bitcoin in the long term,
making Bitcoin support prices stronger, so it's not easy to dump Bitcoin prices deep enough. That's why Bitcoin has so far been strong enough
to stay above $40k, and I believe Bitcoin price will recover soon. It is the most reasonable possibility why the price of Bitcoin dumps,
that's because quite a lot of investors are selling Bitcoin at peak prices. But there is no need to worry that the Bitcoin price will rise again soon,
because investors who were already taking profit slowly started buying Bitcoin again. Because right now the price of Bitcoin is quite low and
it seems difficult to expect Bitcoin to drop below $40k.

You are talking like you understand everything but the way you reacted is like you only learn from hearsay and not from your own understanding and research .
but you are correct that blockchain technology supposed to be Known by Bitcoin.

and also EL Salvador bought Bitcoin at those range without any manipulative strategy , and whales has nothing to do with it.

There might be manipulation but never forget that Bitcoin is a volatile currency meaning this can move here and there even without that called manipulators .

Yes that's your guess, but I hope it's true. Reading the direction of the market is a prediction, we will not know the actual direction of the market. A lot of consensus is repeated and happens again, that's what makes everyone predict. I always think the worst possibility, therefore I don't want to oppose the market because I don't have enough funds to move the market. It is true that many large corporate institutions buy but we only know from the news that whether it is true or not. But at least it's a positive news to convince holders or buyers to get bitcoin and accompany market opinion.

They are in the participation of the market growth but we can't just blame them for everything that it happens in crypto. Maybe we could say that manipulations are seemed bulgar but I believe it can be changed somehow as people had already learned. I think it was the time to stop pointing whales for the drop, not anymore as the market is volatile and many factors that could affect it, not just because of manipulation.

having a lot of BTC doesn't mean you can manipulate it I guess.
because even though they can have a lot of btc in their wallet but indeed to say bitcoin manipulation I think it will still be very difficult.
On the other hand, we can't deny that people who have a lot of assets or can be said to be whales here can be dangerous because they can make moves to make their own profits, but on the other hand it will only have a small impact I think

Bitcoin price huge increase last 2-3 years.Since 2012-2014 bitcoin price was around $400-600$ but now $42k+.Bitcoin has been reached $66k+ in 2021 and broke all record price. I Think bitcoin will be more development and more grow. I hope new investor will come in soon. I still believe bitcoin price will recover  soon and i hope bitcoin price will be reach $70k+ in 2022.

Quite hearing this a lot in many news articles with a title of "Bitcoin fell x%, whales s0lD it @ll". From that, I can see many people that haven't bought their first Bitcoin yet thought that Bitcoin is all about the whales.
We wouldn't had call it volatile in the first place if it is truly dictated by these so-called whales. They do exist, but it doesn't go further away from the definition that they're just holding a large amount of Bitcoin.

Whales are essential as well, we cannot just cut off the manipulation that comes with the rich people investing in cryptocurrencies like bitcoins but most of the times their decisions are influenced by the economic situation of the country and also right now we are in the middle of the pandemic so with respect to people loosing their jobs, lack of money, security, lack of healthcare I think people are anyways pulling out their investments. Most of the times whales don't even sell their coins, they move them and on knowing people panic and due to panic they are the ones who actually kills the price. Plus with the adoption of Bitcoins in more countries and more areas you can expect the general public to invest more in there. The future is definately bright, it's about usability as well and not just the value as an asset.

Let's just accept the fact that as long as bitcoin remains to be volatile, whales too are also becoming inevitable from manipulating the market. But its not all the time that when bitcoin drops, whales are the main reason. If its time for its bearish cycle to move, majority of the coins will certainly suffer from price decline. And as bitcoin grows over the years, despite of its volatility case, it will also increase its adoption not just as an asset alone, but more on as a currency that can serve as an alternative to fiat.

Why believing what analysts are saying all the time, haven't you learn from the past how people like to predict over what can actually happen, but know that bitcoin will get to $100000 one day.

Do your own research, do not believe what analysts are saying, they can be right or wrong.

El Salvador has made bitcoin legal tender and it is the only county to do so. But keep in mind that bitcoin is volatile and therefore you should expect pump and dump in the prices. The cryptocurrency market is not stable.
There are times when bitcoin prices are higher , then no one complain, but as the bitcoin prices declines, we see people concern about the volatility.

and not because EL Salvador adopted Bitcoin as tender Legal meaning the price will completely pump up because that country is too little to make changes in the market position that easy,  i think they have just added a positive reviews in short term but now the popularity subside because there are no other country that follows their movement.
and their president keeps shilling for Bitcoin in desperation to make the price increase so high so this will favor their purchase and the economy will also benefits from the increase.
maybe in future we can see changes but for now? we are still waiting for more adoption .

We dont know if the President of El Salvador does really have that intent or totally just minding off on adopting it for the sake of hard support of this tech but of course it couldnt really be ignored that

investment matters on this one since we do know on how this market moves basing off with the demand.They arent on a rush for sure and other countries doesnt really mean that they dont recognize

on what El Salvador had done in terms of bitcoin adoption but surely if we do talks about recognition then it gets higher day by day.

The condition of El Salvador which has legalized Bitcoin is one of the advancements of technology that has existed since a few years ago despite its implementation, this is filled with certain reasons and motives that we may not know. Bitcoin and crypto have indeed shown significant developments not only from El Salvador, the results of Linkedin's publication that crypto and Bitcoin are the most sought after positions, even more than 400% increase from the previous year and have beaten the IT position.

we say that bitcoin investment is an investment that is growing rapidly in this century where a lot of miners have continued to be in bitcoin in the last 10 years we can say bitcoin is an investment that is most engaged in by enthusiasts at this time in contrast to investments that another because bitcoin investment is very transparent and open so that we are free to choose to release bitcoin or continue to mine bitcoin so as not to release it on the stock market at a low price, thus reaching the peak of popularity with such high trust

Some country economical strength can be in various form, I know mine is highly sponsored by crude oil, so I don't think countries would be looking into Bitcoin just because of a country gained or failed from it, infact any country that truly adopts Bitcoin should look beyond the investment purposes and how crypto-currency can help out it's citizens form problematic traditional means, both now and in the future.

Surprises me that by now a lot of people still think that the price of Bitcoin can be manipulated by just anyone. Things has changed and Bitcoin is bigger than it used to be before, and due to the high market cap that we have now, no one can easily manipulate the market. It is only altcoins that can easily be manipulated by the whales, because altcoins have a small market cap. As for Bitcoin, it is not about manipulation, we already know that it is a volatile market and the price can go up and down at anytime.

So, I still don’t get why a lot of people would be complaining when the market is down, they only expect it to keep going up, and they forget that it is always going to go both ways and not just only increasing value.

I hope this could be realized as we know that people are coming into Bitcoin for investment, nothing it called beyond investment. Bitcoin will continue to grow not because of being manipulated or being used but it is probably because more people are investing and their numbers are crazily growing day by day.

Those countries who adopt crypto and invest in Bitcoin I hope that their intention is to help their citizens, not just only for their own.

Everything you see in the cryptocurrency market is not really about whales and manipulation. Sometimes the market can just be going up and down due to the demand and supply; the thing that moves the price is basically demand and supply, and we have been told times without number that when the demand is high,the price increases, and when demand is low,it decreases.

So, it is not every time that you see the price drop that it is being manipulated.  It can just be a normal fluctuation of the price. Furthermore, Bitcoin has really grown too big, and it would be very difficult for anyone to manipulate it this time around. So, it is mostly all about demand and supply. And of course any country that would adopt Bitcoin would still adopt it, they already know that’s how it is.

Not at all. The market is too big for now to blow the blame into them (whales) for manipulating the market, I guess they are not enough to move the market. There are several market players that could affect it but at this time, I heard nothing FUDs, banning issues, SEC issues, this decline had come naturally and I think, this will also recover naturally. That is why I don't even bother myself thinking about selling off, but what I just did is to keep calm and hold coz I know this will be over soon.

Blockchain technology was started to be well-known after the finding of Bitcoin and to this time, Bitcoin becomes more and more popular making many more altcoins are also created. that is why blockchain technology is also massively adopted to create a cryptocurrency. But, there is also additional development where in fact, due to the time, blockchain technology is not only used for cryptocurrency. Some companies, governments, and also industries also use blockchain technology to support more advanced systems. This is good enough.

We still cannot confirm this, about manipulation and who did this. But sometimes, there is market manipulation, FUD spreads, hype, and also the cycle of bullish and bearishness. Those are what has always happened to the crypto world so far.

@jashbir67 It is a good reason for governments from other countries to get involved. If they do think of that, they will have to look for bitcoin experts too. This is only going to increase the overall popularity of bitcoin making it even more costlier.

DUDE the market dip or pump can be seen as profit booking of major players and in simple you can say change of hands as a whale bought at 20k now on 40k market is dumping its change of hands or distribution an opportunity for other player who want to take entry they are going to hold until 60k or whatever their target is. So that is what we call cycle weak hands lose money in this cycle and strong hands book massive profits.