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alot of people think its "whale" manipulation of exchanges.
but after studying things. its not. its actually the minnows


in 2013-4 when the markets were $400 there were whales making walls of 1000btc
obviously with prices at $40k now it means a similar 'wall' only needs to be 10btc deep

this is because although the market is portrayed as supply and demand. where instead of 2013-4 supply was only 12mill coins and now there are 19mill.. the more supply in circulation has not resulted in more supply on the market.
eg. if average order was 2btc in 2013-4, youd think with 50% more in circulation average orders would now be 3btc

however, most market orders now are of 0.01btc-10btc not 1btc-1000btc in earlier years.

meaning there is probably an equal 100x less coin in exchanges offsetting an equal 100x more price.

sellers have figured out that buyers are not spending more money. they instead are spending the same amount.
so if someone in 2013 wanted to spend $600 a month he would get 1.5btc in 2013-4. where as now he would get 0.015btc.

the market price does not mean someone in 2013-4 who regularly paid $600 a month to buy crypto is now buying $60,000 a month.
buyers value per order has not changed. and so its the sellers who dont want to crash the market by selling 1.5btc now or even 2.25btc with there being 50% more supply in circulation than in 2013-4.
instead decide to play the economics game, offer smaller amounts of coin

imagine it this way. a seller.. with 1.5btc. wanting $60k
right now he can make 2 choices.
sell 1.5btc at $40k/btc =$60k fiat
sell 0.1btc(15 times) at $4.01k= $60.15k   (0.1*15=1.5)

sellers find it easier to not try selling 1.5btc at 40.1 as that creates a wall keeping price below that, but if he has small orders that fill of 0.01 for $401, they fill fast and are seen as a price lift to $40.1, even without buyers having to buy up tens of thousands of dollars to achieve it.

what im saying is dont worry about the only last few whales pushing 10btc.. instead watch out for the minnows putting in 0.01btc orders spaced out by $1 a coin meaning small orders causing large movements in prices

sellers realise instead of trying to push 1.5 coins on a market which can cause the price to go down. if they sell small portions in small amounts at a slight premium. the buyers dont notice the big hit as much. but it pushes the market price

ill add this for reference

code can prevent big whale wallers, but human emotion and greed will play the opposite and find a way to play the markets

Look. There's definitely manipulations in the market, but that's with ANY other market. And it seems like you seem to think that these types of manipulation maneuvers are something that's guaranteed to work well for the "wHaLe" or something, because it's definitely not. It can definitely work well for them, but it could just as easily go south for them.

Actually until now naniniwala pa rin ako ng minamanipulate ng whales ang market, hindi ko lang alam kung sino sila pero kung babasihan natin ang galaw ng price, yung pump and dump, clearly may manipulation na nangyayari. Pero maganda yang ginawa mo OP, merong study or explanation, kaya mas reliable yan.

Sa totoo lang, nangyayari naman talaga ang whale manipulation lalo na sa mga low volume tokens or yung mga bagong token. Kayang kaya nila kontrolin yung market pero hindi lahat ng market ay kaya nilang kontrolin.
Para sa akin, yung whale manipulation is most likely about the whale starting a pump or dump and the rest will follow na lang which will cause further pumping or dumping on the price of that token. However, may instanses naman na whale counters a whale. Like a whale tried to dump a token however someone will buy that dip and the price will continue to stay the same or pump.

Tama ito kabayan.

Iba-iba kasi ang mga tokens na hinahawakan ng whales, merong puro Bitcoin lang, at merong puro Altcoin lang. Kaya kung may gagawin man silang massive buy or sell, hindi buong market ang apektado, kundi iilang coins lang unless Bitcoin mismo ang gagamitin nila sa isang massive trade na maaaring mamanipula ang market sa maikling panahon na kalaunan ay babalik rin sa normal.

One thing for sure, kapag ang whales ang nagexecute sa market malaki ang epekto sa price.  Sometimes whales sell their holdings in chunks through the use of BOT (which can be mistaken as minnows).  Mga minnows susunod lang yan sa price trend lalo na yung nagsscalping, unless ung whale eh impatient at gusto na talagang maging cash ang holdings nila or gusto nyang ibagsak ang price para makabili ng mas mura to strengthen ung position nya and at the same time makapagprofit.  Hindi ko lang makita yng article about some guy intentionally selling thousands of BTC to crash the price then ng bumagsak ang presyo nagrebuy siya leaving him to profit millions of dollar plus more BTC.

Mahalaga ren na malaman naten kung paano ba tayo makakasabay ng tama sa mga whales, wag tayo magpanic at dapat pagaralan naten mabuti ang mga gagawin naten, malake ang chance na kumita tayo tulad ng mga whales if nagawa naten ito ng tama.

Indeed riding the trend with whales eh magbibigay sa atin ng magandang profit.  Kaya nga malaking bagay din ang matuto ng Technical Analysis dahil ang bot na gumagalaw sa exchanges ay nakaprogram base dito.  Kung maiintindihan natin ang galaw ng mga bot at klaseng TA ang dominant sa market na ginagalawan natin, matitake advantage natin ang mga possible manipulations na maaring mangyari upang pagkakitaan natin ang galaw ng merkado.

Hindi ko talaga maisip na whales can move the market. Lalo na't most of pump and dump ay based on TA or technical analysis. For me, it's price manipulation is more likely about people who has influenced, government and current events kase price of crypto ay bumaba or tumaas depende sa kanila tulad ni Elon Musk, na naghype ng various tokens at may capability pa syang idump yun by producing a negative info dun sa coin. Also, government banning cryptos at yung current event na nangyayari ngayon between Russia and Ukraine.

Again, Para lang sakin yun, pero when it comes to low popular coins, malaki ang impact ng mga whale sa price at kaya nilang manipulate ang price nun.

A lot more of whales can influence the market, than move the market. Kumbaga kung tumataas ang price, kaya nilang tulungan ang pagtaas nito, and same thing pag bumababa ang price. Ang misconception is ung akala ng karamihan e literal na kaya ng mga "whales" na dalhin ang presyo ng bitcoin sa kahit anong presyo na gusto nila.

And funnily enough, nagrereklamo lang ang mga tao ng "wHaLe MaNiPuLaTiOn" pag pababa ang price. Pag pataas, automatic "adoption" daw.

A lot more of whales can influence the market, than move the market. Kumbaga kung tumataas ang price, kaya nilang tulungan ang pagtaas nito, and same thing pag bumababa ang price. Ang misconception is ung akala ng karamihan e literal na kaya ng mga "whales" na dalhin ang presyo ng bitcoin sa kahit anong presyo na gusto nila.

And funnily enough, nagrereklamo lang ang mga tao ng "wHaLe MaNiPuLaTiOn" pag pababa ang price. Pag pataas, automatic "adoption" daw.

A lot more of whales can influence the market, than move the market. Kumbaga kung tumataas ang price, kaya nilang tulungan ang pagtaas nito, and same thing pag bumababa ang price. Ang misconception is ung akala ng karamihan e literal na kaya ng mga "whales" na dalhin ang presyo ng bitcoin sa kahit anong presyo na gusto nila.