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Title: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: oemar bakrie on January 28, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Saisher on January 28, 2022, 12:44:21 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
They become a part of it after the introduction of ICO and crowdfunding and those Ponzi operators are now working as Crypto projects developers

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I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
How can we do that we are all anonymous here and if we can trace the identity of the scammers we have to charge them by going to the location where they have jurisdiction on the scammers.

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and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
We can only do that if we educate ourselves and know how these scammers works


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: oemar bakrie on January 28, 2022, 12:56:19 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
They become a part of it after the introduction of ICO and crowdfunding and those Ponzi operators are now working as Crypto projects developers

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I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
How can we do that we are all anonymous here and if we can trace the identity of the scammers we have to charge them by going to the location where they have jurisdiction on the scammers.

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and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
We can only do that if we educate ourselves and know how these scammers works

Problems like that, we don't know where we are, what kind of fraudsters are troubling us all..
Should there be a special system to ease the freedom of the fraudsters?
all back to ourselves..


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 28, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

We don't know who you are referring to, but in any case, maybe the fraudsters will just create a new name in the forum and will continue to scam people here.

This forum is decentralized as well, so not sure how they are going to get punished. But the best weapon against them is to really think about before dealing with anyone here in the community. Look for signs, at least see if they have feedback or everything. So don't trust blindly specially in this forum wherein we really don't know each other.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: oemar bakrie on January 28, 2022, 01:01:19 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Actually, there has been a follow-up on this forum, mate, you can see those who are proven to be cheating will get a minus on their trust and if that still doesn't deter them, they may be banned from this forum even though they can still create a new account to enter here again, but in terms of trust they will be difficult to find again, that's why don't immediately trust those who are newbies and have no trust at all in this forum.
indeed that's the only way my friends in this forum give punishment in a negative redtrust way, so I myself salute the moderators on this forum who work well and try to be very careful in dealing with fraud.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Wahyuihib on January 28, 2022, 01:10:53 PM
It is difficult for all of us to know clearly how the activities of fraudsters in real life. Crypto currency trading is indeed very high risk, so we should be more careful and not too bold in investing, especially for investing in newly created projects...


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: mardaed on January 28, 2022, 01:21:42 PM
I think that we all should be doubtful with things online, especially the users that we come to have contact with, or claim to be or to have something. And just like what was aforementioned, we must be diligent, and investigate if ever we observe something’s off with the users and their activities. Also, we have the moral obligation to report them to the moderators, and give them a red trust, to protect everyone from their future intentions.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: DeathAngel on January 28, 2022, 04:53:32 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

There are scammers & thieves everywhere in life. I would say that % wise there are no more crimes in crypto than in fiat fraud, robberies etc. It’s not hard to protect your crypto assets, keep custody of them yourself, not your keys not your coins. Don’t tell everybody you HODL crypto, that will lessen the risk of $5 wrench attack.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: ryzaadit on January 28, 2022, 06:46:22 PM
It's a forum, you can't handle everything.

What forum can do, only "Ban IP" for the people who abused the platform by creating multiple accounts. You should be aware of what did you do on online, mostly about investment and transactions to make sure do your own research and escrow.

The community already tried as much they can to make a research project, If we find some copy-paste project or potential scammer "DT" member will give a negative trust. Forum is not moderated any kind of investment, scammer or fraud.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Doell on January 29, 2022, 06:50:44 AM
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and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
always emphasize research don't put your money in a new project right away ! do not immediately believe by seeing how many people in their telegram group too ,the most important thing is what product they offer is it a copy or is it new and original ! search deeper so you won't be easily trapped by scammers !


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 29, 2022, 07:14:58 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
See in any sector their is hoodlums potential once in that aspect, so emphasising via people in the forum, some of the forum user explain about fraudster because they have encountered it before now, and they are making sure that new person or users will not be victim of it again. Actually we have scammers here but due to the level of scam broadcasting in the community i don't think they are effective to execute their obligation.

Another thing that can make you to be Free from scammers is to scrutinized and perused into investment platforms you want to adventure into in order to expand your capital or finance, don't invest in any platform that doesn't have a good profile, scammers has deceived many people through the strategies of investment, so if you can skip some investment that is related to ponzi scheme you won't fall the victims of scammers.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: caffinated on January 29, 2022, 07:41:31 AM
if its too good to be true... it probably is...
Applies everywhere,

Buying hardware? Check
New Coin? Check
New ICO? Check
New DAO? Check
Some very good deal? Check


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Anonylz on January 29, 2022, 08:40:37 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Actually, there has been a follow-up on this forum, mate, you can see those who are proven to be cheating will get a minus on their trust and if that still doesn't deter them, they may be banned from this forum even though they can still create a new account to enter here again, but in terms of trust they will be difficult to find again, that's why don't immediately trust those who are newbies and have no trust at all in this forum.

The guy is not talking about just a red trust to those who are cut cheating,  he is talking about a real life punishment to those who are cut cheating in an online forum where virtually everyone is anonymous,  I don't know exactly how he expects the admins to carry out this duty of punishing every cheater real life, the highest punishment the admins can give here in the forum is permanently ban a member and that's it.

If you suspect anyone cheating in real life you can always turn to the appropriate authorities for proper investigation and justice.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: indah rezqi on January 29, 2022, 09:42:06 AM
Everything has rules. Back to each of them with what mission is present here. Then everyone in this forum doesn't really know each other. If this forum could be seen like any other forum, of course, we would be able to get to know each other.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: susuberuang on January 29, 2022, 09:46:33 AM
Problems like that, we don't know where we are, what kind of fraudsters are troubling us all..
Should there be a special system to ease the freedom of the fraudsters?
all back to ourselves..
Fraudsters are also humans who are able to see opportunities and loopholes to deceive more people so that it is difficult to eradicate them, so there is only one solution, that is, don't easily believe all the lure and tempting offers so that we can all survive their traps.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: fvb on January 29, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Actually, there has been a follow-up on this forum, mate, you can see those who are proven to be cheating will get a minus on their trust and if that still doesn't deter them, they may be banned from this forum even though they can still create a new account to enter here again, but in terms of trust they will be difficult to find again, that's why don't immediately trust those who are newbies and have no trust at all in this forum.
Exactly. Because you noticed how many similar posts from different newbies. And all these posts are about supposedly new and in quotation marks successful projects. Therefore vigilance is very important. In real life, it is difficult to find the ends. But punishment in one way or another will overtake. Think so.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Ararbermas on January 29, 2022, 09:58:11 AM
It is difficult for all of us to know clearly how the activities of fraudsters in real life. Crypto currency trading is indeed very high risk, so we should be more careful and not too bold in investing, especially for investing in newly created projects...
it's always depends on us if we really want to  to prevent those frauds behind of some projects because indeed all the information can easily search in the internet if they're totally legitimate and etc. So just be aware always because that's what it is, wherein frauds are unstoppable, i mean they will keep existing as long as there's an idea for them to scam investors especially here in crypto that there's a lot of opportunity.. So let's be smart as well to prevent losses.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on January 29, 2022, 11:00:28 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Yes expect them to change name account but those persons still lingering around. We cant stopped them, but we cant prevent them. Avoid such new promises from projects without even doing any due diligence. Its been talk of the town here eversince and dont believe on sweet talks.

Most of the scammers will have same format but different gig styles. So better to avoid those guys.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: bounceback on January 29, 2022, 11:27:09 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
I think there is no follow-up such as criminal action for hackers in the crypto space because they hide behind the anonymous nature of crypto so that no one can control the identity of the cheaters, unlike in real life where if we find the cheaters of course we can easily report the person to a state legal entity to be processed and given sanctions for the heinous act that has been committed.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: mia_houston on January 29, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Fraud is indeed not an easy thing to avoid in crypto investment, the development of crypto is of course also increasing the interest of fraudsters to profit in various ways, we still remember how in the past ico developed into a way for fake developers to launch their actions and the strong impact was felt At that time, many investors were reluctant to invest in crypto projects, after ico felt it was no longer appropriate to carry out their actions, fraudsters began to look for other alternatives in committing fraud, including ponzi schemes, fraudulent investments and also many fraudsters who are currently offering deposit services for investment funds.
In my country many of victim continue to report the fraud to the police, but because there is no binding regulation on crypto, it makes the legal process very difficult, in my opinion, rather than taking action after the fraud occurs, it is better for us avoid the fraud by conducting a detailed investigation of the investment offer, not being influenced by the large profit offer and also continuing to find out on the website, social media channels about the investment


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: fadil46 on January 29, 2022, 11:30:19 AM
It is difficult for all of us to know clearly how the activities of fraudsters in real life. Crypto currency trading is indeed very high risk, so we should be more careful and not too bold in investing, especially for investing in newly created projects...
Being brave in investing is actually not wrong and clearly still very good, only for new projects I think special considerations need to be made in order to avoid being a bit of a fraud intentionally made by several people.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: TribalBob on January 29, 2022, 02:46:21 PM

Problems like that, we don't know where we are, what kind of fraudsters are troubling us all..
Should there be a special system to ease the freedom of the fraudsters?
all back to ourselves..

right, it all comes back to yourself, now we have the principle of following the forum rules, it can make us long here,
and avoid looking for people's mistakes because we are both looking for money (no doubt the main purpose of joining the forum) apart from looking for information on the development of the ICO project that we are participating in / want to follow


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Gozie51 on January 29, 2022, 02:52:24 PM

I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?


What do you mean by real life cheats. If I can understand you, maybe you are talking of people scamming you physically and that is not the forum problem if you allow a family member for example to scam you how do you expect the forum to know about that ? But scamming on the forum can be reported on reputation or scam accusation thread and if user investigation is real someone can put a tag on that account. Tags are meaning that you don't need to trust the user or be careful dealing with such person. Scam is not only individual but some bounty and signature campaign companies can also scam you by not keeping to promise or not releasing fund to participants winning in their platform.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: glendall on January 29, 2022, 02:55:38 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

It's hard to punish real-world fraudsters for this forum, because we know that everyone here is anonymous.
Getting around our crypto assets is actually easy to keep your valuable assets close without anyone knowing, avoid phishing links
to avoid people who intend to cheat, just keep quiet, don't respond to anything to them, if you are not interested in talking to them you will definitely avoid all crimes in crypto


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: asyakashi on January 29, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
Boomark is immediately an important cryptocurrency site in your opinion. The forum has high security. Asset loss usually occurs due to our own mistakes in careless access on the website. or you are exposed to phishing unknowingly handing over access to the wallet to the thief.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Juse14 on January 29, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
There is always room for fraudsters, nothing can stop that. Not only in the crypto world, even in all aspects that are considered to be profitable for them. We all you in this forum even everyone in this world wants the same thing, get rid of them. If there was a way to stop it, I think it would have been implemented long ago. But the problem is there is no effective way to do that. I hope we can all avoid such a thing.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: adzino on January 29, 2022, 03:21:20 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
Scams are not moderated on this forum. So no, I don't think they receive any kind of ban or anything. The only "punishment" they would receive is a negative trust rating from the community that can be seen in his/her profile.
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and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
Don't be dumb and fall for those obvious scam. Do your own research before investing in anything. Use your brain and you will be fine. If something sounds too good to be true, then it... isn't.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: naira on January 29, 2022, 03:34:22 PM
I still can't say the context of this specifically because the types of scams on forums are quite wide and varied so following up on what's done is something that must be quite difficult. Precisely with the existence of a police forum we are helped and they play a role in eradicating people like that. Regardless of the type of scam you are referring to like payout, investment, trading advice but for sure I believe that the people in the Meta section who frequently report breaking the rules will surely get the punishment they deserve.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: maartenhaha on January 29, 2022, 04:08:45 PM
There is always room for fraudsters, nothing can stop that. Not only in the crypto world, even in all aspects that are considered to be profitable for them. We all you in this forum even everyone in this world wants the same thing, get rid of them. If there was a way to stop it, I think it would have been implemented long ago. But the problem is there is no effective way to do that. I hope we can all avoid such a thing.
Every bug is part of being infiltrated by scammers to make it look real, it takes knowledge and practice to know every bug that scammers take advantage of in an effort to prevent investment losses. The forum has a Meta thread board section for all information regarding scammers with valid searches and accurate research, should be explored in that thread to avoid investing in scammer projects.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: RealMalatesta on January 29, 2022, 09:38:04 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
It is not a secret that people do not come here with good intentions all the time. Sometimes we just need to realize that not all people in the world are nice, there are pure bad people who are just enjoying being a criminal and scamming people or doing whatever bad thing they do.

However, sometimes we just need to realize is that some people feel like they do not have any other choice but to do the bad thing, they normally do, but the world probably made them feel that way, or they were just too quick to admit it. These people turn to crime because they feel like they do not worth a good career or a job and deserve to be a criminal and live that way until they get caught. Crypto made it harder for them to get caught, so they just hope for the best and keep on doing bad tings. We will never have zero scammers, there will always be one, because that is how people are.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: nimogsm on January 30, 2022, 01:04:23 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
My advice will be very simple - if in doubt about a new project, just skip it and move on.This is why the forum was created to communicate with each other and ask questions if something seems suspicious to you, experienced users will always help.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: smyslov on January 30, 2022, 01:11:32 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

It's hard to trace them here we are all anonymous here since there are is no KYC here and you can create as many accounts as you like, there are accounts that are traced because of bounty cheating, since we are all anonymous here it's not possible to charge and prosecute scammers here unless you can trace the exact location or you personally know the scammers, the only way you can do so you'll not lose money is to educate yourself, that's the only way.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: KaliLinux on January 30, 2022, 02:21:46 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?
When you say fraudsters, what exactly are you referring to? I believe if you are referring to activities within this forum, there has always been punishments for people caught cheating like the Negative trusts and the likes but is it more demanding on every individual here to watch out for the people you are dealing with because as some have also mentioned, everyone here is anonymous so apart from flagging the account nothing can be done to the person except where that person is known.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: Jackl87 on January 30, 2022, 02:31:59 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

I think it is very hard to track down scammers. The blockchain allows to follow the transactions from wallet to wallet but once the fraudster used a mixer i think it is impossible or at least very hard to keep track of the coins that they have stolen. The crypto space is really a dangerous place to be sometimes especially if you are new to the scene and not yet familiar with all the fraudulent stuff that is going on here. I do think though that this forum is a relatively safe space if you compare it to twitter or telegram. Telegram in particular is extremely dangerous in my opinion for newbies. As soon as you post a question about something in a big telegram group you get a lot of DM's of supposed admins that want to help you, but of course they are just scammers that want your private key.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: masterrex on January 30, 2022, 03:05:05 PM
I believe that fraudsters are still under the same roof in forums that have given us a lot of experience or lessons about crypto..
I ask is there no follow up with punishment like real life cheats?
and is there a way to work around this so that we are not deceived and lose money, especially the loss of our crypto assets.?

In reality, cryptocurrency fraudsters are very difficult to punish because of the crypto nature and how it was function one of its features is privacy because of this functions many people think that its okay for the project's team to remain anonymous while doing fundraising like ICO's, etc. and because of it many become a victim of exit scam and rug pull projects mostly from the anonymous team members.


Title: Re: it's not that I suspect friends who exist in this forum ..
Post by: bittraffic on January 30, 2022, 03:19:16 PM

I stop ICO already. Just buy the altcoins that are on the top list.
Just don't trust anyone who PM you the first because they are usually the ones with motives. If I have to make the transaction, I will PM first and will probably send my coins the first also but sure I've checked thier past transactions and trust level already before doing so.

Many of the users in the Currency exchange forum trade with users, so if you need Paypal funds or buy altcoins from the users who are selling, you need to first investigate them. Find something suspicious, find another that is trustworthy.