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I've heard a lot of good advice from forum contributors on the previous thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385077.0) that no matter how bad a project or casino is promoted through a signature campaign the forum won't moderate it. It's forum culture not to moderate scams and we really have to respect that.

I have hardly found any 1xbit campaign participant which are high quality posters so far which indicates that the percentage of spam created by all these participant is much higher compared to other signature campaign participant. So now, any 1xbit spammer should be banned from using signature if the quality of their posts is just total trash and bullshit.

Choose one answer in the pool if you want to express support, not, or don't care.

Local rules for this thread:

• Any 1xbit participant is not allowed to post here, if they do then report it for deletion.

As I said in the other thread, 1xbiters are spamming like crazy and most of them should have been banned already. There is no quality control whatsover - campaign manager obviously doesn't care about spam and they're all red-trusted (participants and manager). What's worse is that reporting those posts - besides being a waste of time - actually helps 1xbit save money because they don't pay the participants when enough posts get deleted to put them under 20 for the week (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367666.msg59190852#msg59190852). The only hope is that spammers may eventually stop spamming if they don't get paid for a few weeks but it's possible that others would take their place.

But at least everyone's busy - spammers, reporters, mods... Forget discussing Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0), the real purpose of the forum is trying to protect scammer's feelings LOL.

I understand that you prolly are concerned about how 1xbit signature participants go about their 'business' on the forum, either through advertising what's known to be a scam and also the poor quality of their posts, but one thing you must understand is that there are ways in which the forum operates, there have been worse trolls, low quality posters and users who are extremely dogmatic (they are most times not specifically on any signature campaign) and they have created BS posts on the forum, but no ban of any sort, and that's cause the forum somewhat advocates for freedom of speech, even when users override that liberty.

I think the only reason users have ever received signature ban is for plagiarism, prolly a user plagiarized but they are still useful users on the forum, they can be pardoned and not receive a permanent ban, but a ban excluding them from signature campaigns for a specified period of time, thus I'm afraid I don't think 1xbit participants would receive signature bans no matter how your poll goes, and even if I agree with you.

I believe every participant on that campaign has been tagged by a DT user, I'm afraid we might have to make do with that for a while as a deterrent of some sort, prolly until it becomes so unbearable that stricter measures has to the applied.

Ideally, any user who constantly posts trash on the forum should eventually be banned permanently after warning bans.
I do not think there should be a special rule for participants of a signature campaign, up to a certain extent. There is a rule to users getting banned for spamming even though it is not being strictly followed.

Has 1xBit reached the extent to attract special attention from the admins? I will say Yes.
• It is an obvious scam site,
• It is running a spam campaign on the forum.

Such local rules cannot be enforced, IMO.

Any local rules rarely if ever get enforced in Meta but that's a whole other story. This rule by itself is not ambiguous or subjective or otherwise unenforceable if moderators chose to do so.

I agree. Kick those spammers outta here. Their posts are constantly reported with accurancy.

I doubt there's one. It'd be justified if one needed desperately money and no other campaigns were open, which still doesn't make much sense as there are always better alternatives than this. 1xbit's name is tarnished; every person who's been using this forum for a while must have seen at least one accusation for it.

But, none told those trolls. I'm just saying they're responsible for the forum's garbage and that they're encouraged to continue.

Well, here's the problem: What's obvious is a matter of opinions and according to the rules, decisions aren't made that way (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg7955645#post_faq).

So far I can see you care enough about any of those campaigns regardless of whether all the participants are spammers or the site is a scam. But it's good that I voted (in favor/ YES) to prevent spamming to such a high level that many forum members are starting to care about it.

It doesn't matter how strong or weak you are now, but clearly now you have raised the flag of war with the participants of that campaign by making this request. I know this will encourage more quality posts from some people who might still care, but feel free to let us know if you get any bad threats from some of the participants.

I vote YES however this is not only for 1xbit participants but to all who are spamming the forum with low value posts. Rules had to be equal for all despite them (1xbit participants) being annoying.

Who? 1xbit participants? All of them are tagged red (if I am not entirely wrong). Having red tagged, a user actually do not care about their account. They are posting only to get paid. When they will have no signature to wear they will not make any post. Those who actually care about the forum are most of the time do not care if they have a signature they are wearing.

"YES" I agree! I support you! 1xbit brought the plague!
most 1xbit participants don't care about the quality of their posts.  .I don't mean to go against the rules of the forum. but if this plague is still lingering then it can add to the bad image of the forum..

Here's participants previous list : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367756.msg58277118#msg58277118
So far no change to their post quality, ,still doing the same thing. spam!

@_BlackStar - fuck off with your local rules, I answer to the forum's global rules.

by the time Mod deletes my post (if they suck on you), my message will be read.

Now let the man do the talking, not some merit hunting Gaystar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307)



Forget about discussing Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0) really ??

Not a single post you made in discussing Bitcoin stat for SuchNinja (https://ninjastic.space/user/suchmoon) ??? since you created that account, I wonder a lot of things honestly.

I haven't checked all 1xbit participants and quality of their posts, but I'm not against your suggestion. It's true that you probably wont find high quality posters in 1xbit campaign, but maybe not everyone is bad enough to get signature ban. IMO, this question should be solved case by case and not simply disabling signatures for all participants.
For me 1xbit content doesn't look as bad as Yobit/Cryptotalk campaign. Or maybe I got wrong impression because number of participants is significantly smaller and their content isn't that visible.

Gaystar. Seriously? I thought that only 12 year old kids are doing such things. When you have lack of arguments, ad hominen begins...

Check the poll result of OP's previous thread, they didn't get the result there so they think spamming the shit out of this forum by another thread will do the job.
people like op and suckmoon understand the language of "ad hominen" same as my father, against whom i filed a lawsuite recently.

he used to teach me girls are idiots and when i was with them telling them stuff he got mad - i spat some truth and he ran away to male cops, when i was leaving he was crying looking at me and what i did was flexed by black glasses, wore them and left the place, thank you 1xbit for 30$ glasses.  :D

Yobit paid per post for a large number (100?) of posts. 1xbit payment is flat rate for a minimum is 20 posts per week and if you look at the spreadsheet they are all trying to make 20-21-22 posts. So there's less spam in absolute numbers but they're clearly posting only to get paid and most of the posts are useless.

Please don't feed the trollface.

1. I didn't participate in the pool because the option that best describes my thought is not in the pool. There should be an option to follow forum rules.
2. Is there any rule stating the ban of spammers? If yes, it should be applied to all spammers whether 1xbit promoters or not.
3. In as much as your thread is not self moderated, your rule is unenforceable. Besides, you cannot make a rule for the moderators. I believe that if a 1xbit promoter makes a quality post under this thread, no moderator will delete it no matter how many times you report it.
4. I also believe that the problem we see in 1xbit promoters wouldn't have existed if they had a reputable manager. A manager like Hhampuz will always give a remark to the participants of the campaign he is managing, telling them to increase post quality, spread post etc. This will ensure that good posters are kept in the campaign.
5. But it seems that the manager(s) of 1xbit does not care. The forum should therefore have a rule to ban a manager who encourages or hires spammers in his campaign.
6. By this, the burden of moderation would be shifted to managers and spam would reduce.

It makes sense that decent users stay away from this campaign, so that only leaves shitposters who have nothing to lose. I don't think they will get banned just because of the signature they wear though. I also don't expect them to get a signature ban.

To get them a real ban, I think you'll have to build a case against each individual user. Back when Yobit was spamming, suchmoon made an overview of the number of posts per user. Such an overview could help here too, but it's a lot of work and I've seen users get away with many (https://bpip.org/Report?r=postsdeleted) deleted posts.

Imho what should be banned would be the campaign(s) related to 1xbit if they generate that much spam.
Since (for my own sanity) I have ignored some of the boards with most spam, I cannot assess the amounts.

The users alone will probably not get banned, but no other signature campaign will probably accept them, so most will probably just give up.
And for the campaign itself there's already the precedent with Yobit.

The yobit stats mostly helped yahoo to remove users from the campaign. I don't think mods looked into it. They get the post reports and delete those posts, so not sure what other case could be possibly built here.

As I said in the other thread, ban them if they are generating massive spam. Nevertheless, it's not only 1xBit users who are generating spam. There are more campaign participants here who are generating spam as well. Are you concerned about them or it's only 1xBit? I would say apply the same rule for everyone regardless of what they are promoting.


Global rule has the rule of setting up local rule by OP.

I don't know if this poll will affect the number of 1xbit posters that are banned for spam or not but in general I think this poll can raise awareness of users to report spam posts, low quality posts and anything they consider off topic regardless of what campaign they are promoting.

I agree that spamming and low-quality posting should be something that all signature campaign participant should keep to a minimum. This shouldn't be limited to 1xbit campaign as there are many other campaigns whose posters can create dozens of spam every week which may be ignored (about this I agree with RapTarX). The merit system has encouraged more posters to post something quality, so maybe it will help them to care about the quality of their posts.

Sure, blocking out the perspective of someone they are opposing through [local rules] in the main section of the forum, maybe that's the reason self-moderated threads are not allowed in this section of the forum (am i wrong?)
what's the term called: dictatorship?

In any case, Moderator hasn't deleted my post yet...
moonstar: **pulling their hair out.

I don't think theymos or moderators would just jumped to conclusions without having any valid evidence therefore if we want to have a case then we should show stats of good reports and if the numbers are outrageous then the moderators will step in. The judgement here should be based on the spam generated and not because of the reputation of 1xbit, the forum official doesn't have to come into that or they'll be regulating signature campaign but that's not the ethics of the forum.

When the yobit spams became too much, their ads was restricted from the forum and some temporary bans was issued, same can be applied to the spammers. They can be sorted out, a comprehensive list can be published because I believe there has to be some Okay posters on their. @Ratimov you gave enough experience here with spammers, if you can get enough offenders from the campaign, it might help validate this thread.

As much as I dislike 1xbit, but I disagree if the ban request is just only for 1xbit, not entirely all campaigns because I've seen many spammer especially in Altcoin section. I wonder does this guidelines still work until now? I think we need a new rule like "if you've 50 posts in 120 days got deleted by moderator, it will lead to ban offence" so this will force users to not create off topic or spam posts.

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The signature campaign only visible in this forum, I'd think almost users already know 1xbit's reputation since it;s well known scam casino. If we check most of accusations, the author is newbie or brand new created only to post accusations. IMO they got scammed not because they visit this forum, but they got scammed outside of this forum (even I don't have any proof with this)

As a responsible person, you would never visit such a casino site through the forum after seeing several open scam accusations, however, they got ripped off outside of this forum. Eventually, the worst shitposters and the promoters of 1xbit signature campaign will be caught and kicked out.

We have several open scam accusations, what's new? 1xbit casino has long been accused of scamming. It serves its purpose quite well to warn us that dealing with the casino site 1xBit can be risky. There are many red flags raised by those posters based on the many allegations made against them. Several scam allegations remain unresolved against them. We can point out stuff like this, but it's up to the moderators whether or not they change it.

Due to the fact anybody joining to your campaign gets negative tag, it's pretty clear that you cannot attract quality members. While maybe some can easily make 30 quality posts in a day, others may not manage to make even 5 without spamming. So the limits alone, while they can help, they're not necessary useful (because of the quality of members). I will not even go deeper in discussions about the possibility of same person having multiple accounts there.

Also due to the fact reputable members tell that they've had to report huge number of posts for spam means that the managers you have don't do such a good job.

No, you don't. Hundreds of spam posts were paid and are still being paid when mods can't delete them quickly enough.


And there you have it, peddling your shit even in Meta.

You have connection with Crex24 exchange and 1xbet so comparison with yobit is not very different.
We also know that 1xbit is mostly hiring spammers who previously promoted other scam projects, and most of them have negative feedback on their profiles.

If I was a moderator I would not ban any member who is wearing 1xbit signature, but I would consider banning their signatures and not allowing them to wear anything.
This could first be temporary signature ban of several months and if it repeats again it could move to permanent.

The only way to kick them out will be to ban any account that opens and runs a signature campaign in that name. But I do not see the forum taking that up and make it happen. By the time there is no more 1xbit campaign to promote, all the users who got recruited into their campaign will have no more spam posts to make. They will go back to be inactive. And that solves this problem.

Edit
I forgot to add that not all posts from those who are in the 1xbit campaign are spam posts. We Also have nice posts too. May be moderators delete their posts because they think thy are promoting scam.

Why don't moderators at least sanction excessive bumping of their ANN thread? Members of the 1xbit campaign are paid to post, and some of them make dozens of posts per day to keep the 1xbit topic at the top of the gambling board. There must be a rule against that, right?

This forum is starting to lose credibility. My posts were also suddenly deleted, while the quality was just good. What complete nonsense. The only reason my posts have been removed is because I'm participating in the 1xbit campaign. The mods of the forum are breaking their own rules!

Not just 1xBit participants, even nons which most of them are within the posting rules. I just had 10 posts removed today.


How is this even off-topic?

If I have to guess: OP's question was answered a month ago. Comparing image quality on third-party sites doesn't belong in Meta.

The painful aspect is that 1xbit itself can not be banned on this forum because scam and negative reputation are criteria that can be used to ban a site on this forum, I always think that negative trust given to the campaign participants is never enough, and if the campaign is not even existing, the negative tag wouldn't have been given to those members that were lured.

With what I have noticed, some accounts that were dormant before joined the campaign, reputed members which are good posters avoided the campaign, only accounts that are most likely having low quality posts and alts are the ones that joined the campaign. This forum does not against alts, but many alts joined even after negative trust were given to accounts participating in the campaign, I may be wrong that they are alts, just from what I am thinking about who can still join the campaign after seeing everyone that joined it with bundles of red tags.

Many of the posts were reported, mostly some were banned, some were given temporary ban and bundles of 1xbit spammers posts were deleted. That has been the reason some of them (low quality posters) have been frustrated to create threads about their deleted posts.

I didn't expect the rule to be so stringent though. After all, it happens ever now and then as conversations tend to slightly deviate from the OP when there are further questions to be asked.

As long as it doesn't involve necroposting or participating with the same replies, I feel that it should be permissible.

Otherwise every thread would be pretty boring with just a solid answer and other inputs get removed "just because the question has already been answered, period".

I agree but it should be taken into consideration on who are those users that may have the permaban tags. Been ignoring lot of them to be honest these recent days so that I may not see their posts at all. I think everyone who are allergic at their posts would do the same right now that most of them lurk here and haven't been banned yet may it temporary or permanent. It's easy to click the "ignore" button.

That's easy, but you shouldn't do it often enough when you come across spam. Just like finding the ignore button, the report to moderator button is also easy to find. I wouldn't ignore it as it's not a good choice when you care about forum rules about posting spam. Report the post if you believe it is spam.

As someone who is active in the gambling boards and have a few threads there that I maintain, I can safely say that the worst kind of posts I see are those made by 1xBit participants. It's not just the fact that some of them can't write a single grammatically correct sentence, but some posts literally make no sense. And 9 out of 10 times when I come across those, there is a 1xBit signature underneath. It's hard for me to say if all of them are serial spammers, but the majority is.   

Most of them are just bought bought account, recently woke up then join straight on the campaign ignoring repercussion of there participation on promoting scam. I'm not surprise how poorly these guys constract a statement since they are newbie that bought account without knowledge in gambling. They are just forced to post on gambling board since its a requirements of 1xbit campaign.

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I don't agree on banning them just by participating the campaign but I'm sure they will be ban for consistent low quality posting which we continuosly reporting to the mods. Let's just keep reporting and help moderators to clean the forum.

Well, I know that there's spam ongoing but what's the point if the mods deleted the spam but they can do it once again? And, we aren't talking here about 2-5 users who continue these spams, there are a lot of them. My point here isn't about deletion as it may a hassle for myself alone to report it, I do care about forum rules but if you're asking mods to purge them all at once since they do these countless spamming I think that's better rather than just delete them one by one.

I believe your point but my opinion is to just ignore them since you can't filter them all as spamming when there are rare posts who are still on topic. I'm not defending them but it's just my opinion to ignore them all.

C'mon, can you show few examples of your deleted posts? I want to see your ''high quality'' posts because I don't believe that mods would delete posts just because you're in specific campaign. You just trying to look like a victim.

It's easy to click ignore button, but it's not solution. If you see shity posts, better report it. And it doesn't matter whether it was made by 1xbit participant or someone else.

Agree about their posts in gambling board. Often it's visible that they simply have no idea what about they're talking and they post there to reach their post quota in gambling boards.

Yesterday I found irrefutable evidence of a violation of the rules of the forum. Ban evasion. I do not understand why, instead of banning the account muratsink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897308) , the moderators categorically do not want to do this. There have been many complaints that farmer accounts that advertise the 1xbit scam are spamming the forum. But as you can see, even direct evidence did not play any role.
The rule that if one account is banned, the rest that is associated with it and when providing evidence will also be banned, does not always work.
Please check, and if there is even one piece of evidence that this account does not belong to the farm that I showed, I will take back my words.
Therefore, what kind of prohibitions can we talk about here when the existing evidence does not work in the right direction. The question arises, maybe someone needs it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094661.msg59253129#msg59253129

For me, if I will encounter shot posts by our forum mates I'll report to the moderator and then I'll add to my ignore list those shit posters. But I think if that user will always do bad things in this forum or let's say his/her posting style is not constructive/quality and he/she doing it for a long time I think it's better that moderator can take an action about that. But that users who have a few mistakes from their posting style I think it's better to give a chance for them.