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Again another perfect example why Bitcoin is Freedom!
And when 'they' take your freedom the only hope are the cryptocurrencies.

This is not about pandemic nor vax/anti-vax, this is just example of how the government can shut you down if you do not agree with them on any matter.

Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385)


Maybe Chrys Sky (https://twitter.com/djlange/status/1419671072203497472) was right back in May 2020.

Apparently, "crypto payment providers" are affected by the same restrictions.

https://blockworks.co/crypto-payments-firms-face-new-restrictions-under-canadas-blockade-crackdown/

Not sure I understand how is this is going to work? Let's say a Canadian citizen decides to donate (from an exchange) to a publically known bitcoin address that belongs to the truckers. Would the exchange be required to give the donor's details (name, address) to the government?

Maybe if we talk about 9-5 jobs since yes bitcoin could really give us freedom knowing how different the money we can possibly get and we can work with convenience at home by using it in terms of investment or other form which you can earn by using bitcoin.

Also with banking system which bankers can exploit us and take advantage with our money, since in bitcoin we are the one who can control our money and we can use it anywhere without any government entities bothering us questioning on why we use such huge amount or ask about where those money came from.

Yes, I've said it before;

Being able to control the money of the people has gone too far. People need to transact without censorship, permissionless-ly. If the government starts censoring your money and tells you what you're allowed to do with it, it won't be long 'til it starts dictating your behavior and thoughts as well. 

As for Crys Sky, there are much more deaths from those who hadn't vaccinated unless we question statistics.

I have no idea how this will work, but I'm sure they will try to bock the crypto payments too. The first thing that comes to my mind is those business that support the truckers to start accepting LN payments.
Then no exchanges will be involved and no private info leak. Again taking the risk to get locked and prosecuted as a criminal just because you don't agree to receive this still experimental treatment is quite an Admiral General Aladeen's attitude if you ask me.

This will make people open a huge amount of lawsuits (and it could happen as easy even if there wold be court orders). It won't be pretty.


Indeed. And just imagine what would CBDCs do in this kind of equation...



Well, the shops don't really accept bitcoin. And I don't see people buying bread and milk from darknet.

It's a 100% fucked up situation and I think that with every new step that government is going towards the edge of a cliff.

This is why we need bitcoin to reach mass adoption. They can freeze bank accounts because unfortunately they still have to convert bitcoin to fiat in order to be able to "spend" it which is where the totalitarian government can take advantage of and rob them of their own money. But if they could simply use bitcoin anywhere to purchase food, gas, etc. they wouldn't have needed the conversion in first place.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.

I think the most important is to be able to pay your taxes with Bitcoin. Sure, merchants accepting it is a big step, and it's a long time since I made a purchase online without Bitcoin, but when it comes to tax household, I'm forced to convert it.

Will the government adopt it this way? Hard to tell, but I have my doubts. And to be honest, most of the merchants I know aren't sensitized about liberty as they aren't aware of the way their money work either. I'm bullish, but truth be told, there's discouragement for adoption.

Yeah, I hear what you are saying and the whole situation is messy but wouldn't the same Government be able to Ban Bitcoin or cryptocurrency trading/acceptance by any retail or merchant in their country altogether and still leave the people in the same dilemma as it has happened in some countries?

No need to buy it from the darkweb, the same way the ppl brought them gasoline in tubes, there will be people willing to bring them food and supplies, and they will be able to to receive a sort of payment in btc.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.

Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.

Keep in mind that their families home may be using the same bank account and a related card.
Keep in mind that people willing to accept or exchange bitcoin may not be there in each and every town. Not yet.

But I agree, it's everybody's problem, and it doesn't even matter whether one agrees or not with the truckers. That's why I said that part about the govt.

There have been numerous discussions on the forum regarding this, and I can't help but emphasize that BTC and Crypto can not be a solution to underlying economic and social problems. It's like that meme where a guy is putting a bandaid on a leaking water tank. BTC and Crypto should be considered as supplementation to a modern economy and a chance for average people to level the playing field a bit regarding the discrepancy between the haves and the haves not. The issues of modern societies and monetary systems are still something that needs to be addressed on it's own, and there is no one simple solution to any of them.

The positive side of the story is that such news will only bring more new Cryptocurrency users.  We seem to ignore how this has turned from pandemic to governments exceedingly using their power to gain more control over their own citizens.

Anyone who has ever used Bitcoin for transactions other than trading knows that Bitcoin can help you avoid trouble banks would otherwise get you into.  Neurotic, what is currently happening in Canada should be enough proof for everyone that the government cares precisely zero percent about us and a good proof that by giving up our rights and freedoms the tides could turn at any given time against us.

All I wish was that the average human had the knowledge to understand the basics of Bitcoin and how it works, but we are slowly getting there by the years.  Hopefully, the tides will finally turn in our favor one day.

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PrivacyG

You are absolutely correct! Crypto and the blockchain technology on which it is built upon, is the future of "freedom technology". We won't let ourselves be stripped of what makes us free, human or unmonitored. Its just basic human needs like water, air and food. We are not meant to be governed and restricted to death. We were never meant to be locked in a room with no doors and no windows.

This is the fight against evil. And blockchain and crypto are our best weapons.

I'm wondering aren't we there yet, when a small entrepreneur seeing an opportunity of buying BTC at a favorable rate, just packs a bag full of cash and goes right there, right to the spot where he/she can do it? If you in need of cash you can sell something as valuable as BTC with as much as 10 percent discount and you'll be happy about it, but the buyer, of course, will be happy too.

People have lost their freedom once they have handed over their money to banks, which is the only reason banks were able to freeze the money. If people took custody over their money and were transacting solely in cash, banks could do nothing and would have no power over people's money. People have traded their freedom for convenience because freedom implies responsibility, which people hate to take especially when it comes to money. Bitcoin won't change that, it won't set people free from having to be responsible for their money. Even if bitcoin is widely adopted in the future, most people will be using banks to do bitcoin affairs for them, banks and politicians will still be able to close any bitcoin account. From my point of view, unless people change their mindset and understand the importance of self-custody, they will remain dependent on the decision of third parties and will not become free.

I agree that no merchant accepts BTC for bread and milk.The  protesters will have to use services like Localbitcoins,Paxful or Bisq to sell their BTC for fiat money,which means that they will have to provide their ID cards and comply with KYC policies.This means that the governments can still track their personal info and try to shut down their Localbitcoins,Paxful or Bisq accounts.
This is a really bad situation,but I'm sure that the people are clever enough to find a solution.They will always find a way to get around the rules set by the governments.

Not really just bitcoin, it's just one of the aspects of freedom because I believe that we're still somehow restraint to it even though it can give us financial liberties and it's also worth mentioning that being truly free is impossible, even the birds are chained to the sky. My opinion on liberty isn't for everyone though and I am alright with that, maybe I don't have the knowledge to know that there are other things that we need to do to be truly free.

Going by fiat currency at this current dispensation is as giving independency a showcase as to lack of knowledge to escape route in economy downgrades. Bitcoin offers the opportunity to avoid the transaction fee of crossboarder charges, easy, fast and reliable alternative digital currency that can be used by individual with total independency from centralized authorities. This freedom is one of the core goals that Bitcoin founder initiated right from the beginning that solves the complex challenges of the global trust ensured on the government and commercial banking system which resulted a  failure.

I disagree a little here because we don't need the government to accept bitcoin as long as people accept it. And paying taxes is not the biggest concern as buying groceries, paying rent and the bills are.

Depends on the government. Some will feel threatened by bitcoin. I'm sure Canadian government (at least right now) is feeling that threat. But some others see it as an opportunity and have adopted bitcoin, Japan, Iran, El Salvador, ... are some examples.

Sure, there are still some issues that are preventing the adoption. Like when we had a big drop or even the sudden surge. The volatility is the worst for adoption.

Sure they can, but that's what causes mass protests similar to the situation currently going on in Canada.
In my view banning bitcoin is like banning freedom of speech.

I don't know what the laws are in Canada, but I believe you don't need to ask for a special permit if you want to allow people to pay in Bitcoin in your store. The problem is not really with sellers, but with the fact that most people who invest in Bitcoin do not want to use it as a currency, but as a way to make $500 from $100 in a certain period of time.

It would be ideal if all civilized countries declared Bitcoin a legal tender, but we all know that this will not happen - although if this is the case in Canada at the moment, what is legal can become illegal overnight if it suits the authorities. Bitcoin is, like it or not, too dependent on traditional financial systems that are more than strong enough to sabotage it in terms of global usage.

Which brings us to the main problem: The users are affected by the investors much more than the investors are affected by the users. Even if most users bought Bitcoin exclusively for exchanging goods, there could always be a minority of investors who'd be willing to manipulate.

Investors' behavior affects the users negatively, but not the opposite.

I've seen those Canadians that are involved with the protest to have the solution through receiving donations in the form of bitcoin. And that's the best thing that they've done.
Now, the government can't do anything over that while they can still keep receiving donations that shows that many are supporting them and are on their side.
It's true that bitcoin is freedom and whether the government seizes our bank accounts because we don't agree with them, we know that we have a choice through #bitcoin.

Through the protest that is happening in Canada people from different parts of the world have understood the real usage of bitcoin. Common people doesn't have big understanding about the features it has got. Many find bitcoin as a way of money making and not as a technology that is developed to serve the people. Now it is time for real change and this is happening with the truckers.

I find Canada to be a nation that consider the rights of people, because even after such a long protest there is no big water gun firing or some serious attack over the protestors. Hope the solution will be a positive one.

What's happening in Canada, is a perfect example of what the government wants. That's why the government really hates Bitcoin or crypto. They cannot control our financial strength once we have the freedom to manage our own funds. When we criticize the government policy, they cannot freeze our money in crypto exchange/wallets. Our government realizes this potential, so they start to spread FUDs or intimidate us to avoid Bitcoin. Sure, Bitcoin or crypto is the solution for freedom in managing our finances. But the government always finds a way to intimidate us.

I am not siding with the anti-vaxxers since their stupidity is affecting so many people in a negative way, but I do feel that Trudeau went too far by invoking this particular order.

The truckers need to end their protests asap since they could get screwed if they continue protesting in this manner.

Also, BTC and other cryptocurrencies could help these people as long as they use decentralised exchanges, platforms etc since they wouldn't have to deal with KYC which would help them avoid government surveillance.

Now we have this example the cause to turn all your fiat into crypto assets whenever there's a calamity is not a theory anymore because as we know, when they froze all of our accounts, there's nothing we can do about it, no matter where we are. in that case, bitcoins is your friend if you want to use your money anywhere you go. Now is the time to consider converting it to bitcoins, who knows if there will be some more strict rules later on.

The protest is just going to affect the country, it looks like the truckers are willing to crash the economy of the country down while challenging the government. Seem very extreme that Trudeau already sees them as terrorists. It's not good anymore if they just look at it as a whole, it damages everyone.

Meanwhile, Gofundme accelerates the adoption of BTC when they blocked the funds for the trucker's campaign. Any organization now knows, gofundme couldn't be trusted and they'd have to use crypto.

I think, peaceful protests is an important part of democratic society, and although, like you, I'm not siding with the anti-vaxxers, I'm glad that Bitcoin can be used for supporting protesters when the government forcibly deprives them of money, or, means of survival, in other words.

Whether we like this particular protest or not(I don't like it), it does not matter. What matters is people's ability to protest and Bitcoin's capability to be of help if needed.

We have to leave all the other things to the side and see what is truly going on.  Canada is making fascist moves.  This is more dangerous than any of these protests, protestors or their beliefs combined.  If your survival is in danger because you are asking the government you chose and work for for a change, it is really bad.  Bitcoin can be used and is helping, which is all great.  But to put this all into perspective, Canadian protestors have to find a decentralized way of living in order to survive.

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PrivacyG

This is horrible since when you force people to do something that they might not agree on and at the same time at such a sudden notice making everything so horrible since it would be hard for them to earn due to the pandemic people would have no choice to :
1. Shift to a better currency immune to the governmental manipulation
2. They will loose all the trust and respect that they have for the government as well
3. Peaceful protests does come into the right for them to voice their opinions as well.

I don't really have any problems with antivaxers, I do think they are stupid but at the same time being someone who does respect their opinion as well. It's stupid to block their bank accounts and cut them off just like that.

People need to :
1. Switch to bitcoins
2. Get some of their assets in there
3. Choose a better government

The government and the protesters should sit and talk about the probable solution for this situation.
Because this will indeed affect their economy, and inflation is very imminent.
The use of bitcoin is now being highlighted as part of anonymous donation programs.
GoFundMe platform can remove this crowdfunding campaign as they said it is violating their ToS.
But that's fine, in reality, these truckers can receive bitcoin donations without the need of third party.
However, I just want this situation to be resolved as there are other people who are affected by this movement.

The truckers are strong to protest, but this doesn't gonna crash the economy of Canada in a large scale. As it is the main border between Canada and USA all major export happens through it. The automobile industry have got affected much as USA imports almost 90% of the production. This has now turned to be like an ego clash between the president and the truckers. If not this could've come to an end.

If you mean that Canadian government is making fascist moves by freezing the accounts of the protesters, I agree with you. Also I hope this news is true

https://i.imgur.com/qOKLWbh.png

so we can have a sigh of relief. After all, they have fair courts and stuff. But Bitcoin showed it can be helpful in such situations, and that's what's important.

It's clear now that Bitcoin is not helping criminals to escape punishment. It's helping helping normal citizens when those in power go crazy.

Bitcoin is "people's true freedom", governments can't do what they want, this is the reason why the global adoption of Bitcoin will be the biggest event in human history.  Trudeau did what made Canadians even more excited to adopt Bitcoin, freezing the bank accounts of the protesters is a rape of rights.

This is why I make sure to have some money stored in Bitcoin, not because I have plans to go against the government or do anything wrong at all, but I just feel safe know that some of my money is stored as Bitcoin; with Bitcoin I know that I am in total freedom and have full control over my money and no one would be able to take any action against me by freezing my account since they won’t be able to do that. Even if tomorrow that the government should in some bridge or limit access to my bank account, I know that I can continue to make use with what I have in my Bitcoin wallet.

Bitcoin has proven freedom to those countries that adopted it during the pandemic that took over 1 year and some months in the country. During the lockdown that made many companies to stopped working because of the covid-19 virus that was spreading all over the world by claiming people lives which was giving more access to some citizens who are willing to be part of the bitcoin freedom which Satoshi created for the world to enjoy. Bitcoin has reduced so many unemployment from the world labour market that is giving the youths more opportunities to become rich in the community.

Though I like such kinda news and how we are able to relate the so called security of our independence through bitcoin, I’m not able to grasp one thing: Why government do not understand this?
I mean it’s been long since when they are taking such harsh actions, but one way or other we the users of crypto always find a way through it and keep faith kn crypto.

Instead of fighting for it, they should just work in collaboration with the blockchain and crypto space on it.

I just hope billionaires like Elon will push the human race towards the crypto space by taking Government along with it. May be by under the table work or straight on the face. They have the power, they should use it.

It’s nothing new with the government, they have been doing such things for a very long time. What happened during the ENDSARS protest? It was reported that a lot of protesters had their banks accounts frozen. So, the government always takes this action all the time against protesters.

This is why we need Bitcoin, when you’re in such a situation Bitcoin is always going to be the only solution out for you, as long as you keep whatever amount you have in there as a secret and not let the government know that you have some money stored away in Bitcoin, government wouldn’t know that you have Bitcoin and they wouldn’t also be able to access it.

Jobs are stopped for a good reason and that is to prevent the spread of the virus and also to protect the workers of the company. Bitcoin is a currency and not a job but you and other's have mistaken it. It is only just a medium that you get when you do a certain job. Even though your post is about covid pandemic, I still think that it is not the same as the issue that Canadians are facing because the root cause of their protest is about vaccination.

It is wrong when you are forced to agree even if you know that it was not right. We must have a courage to disagree because it is our life anyway, we have a right to live as person. We aren't scared anymore because we have btc and crypto's that we can use.

Maybe this is a very appropriate sentence, without us realizing it or not our freedom has been taken away, we must obey all the regulations they apply, all the finances we have are already on their list, maybe bitcoin and crypto are a good solution so that we avoid all the rules that are not clear, and no one knows about the wealth we have.

In most countries, you cannot use bitcoin to buy something. You have to convert it into your national currency to make a purchase. The governments have taxed bitcoin but have not legalised it. Now when it comes to the businesses, if they start accepting bitcoin a lot of problems can be solved but they will have the same issue of not being able to use it anywhere.

I would assume that the possibility of crypto being a freedom inducing thing is quite true, however not a must in this sphere. So, if you want to be out of regulations, or out of anyone's reach, then you could totally do that and there is nothing stopping you from doing that. However, at the same time, if you want to follow all rules, all regulations and just pay taxes and not worry about anything then you could do that as well.

Crypto in itself doesn't have anything to do with this, crypto doesn't make you known or unknown, doesn't make you anonymous or registered everywhere, all of these are things that you opt to do or not to do yourself.