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Your homepage is not rendering properly on Google Chrome 10.0.648.204

Customer Number 794407

Any chance at getting an API sometime?

Customer Number 582915

also have the same problem with Chrome (just the menu text)

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Thanks for the report. I'll pass that on to the designer.


That will definitely happen.


Alright, I'll put that on the todo list.

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thanks.

And that Customer number should be displayed a bit more prominently. Thanks and gl.

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Navigation bar renders funny on Chrome (running 12.0.712.0 dev).

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I'm on chrome also, and the navigation bar is pretty messed up. Other than that, great site.

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Paypal as a deposit/withdrawal method perhaps?

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The service aims to be as anonymous as possible so I'm not sure how that could fit in with our goal. We don't want to do anything that is going to leave a paper trail.

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bitcoin2cash, when I click on 'FAQ' or 'About Us' it doesn't work.

Thanks for crediting my account  ;)

i like that you use openid, though some might find it not very anonim... and anonimity is a big point in bitcoin...

anyway.. 915953

thanks

Hmm, faq.php and about.php redirect to the home page. Not very useful, I think. Yet another Chrome user.

Thanks for the coins. Nice website.

Are there any plans to deal in other currencies?

Thanks for the coins. That was fast!

How do I use the site? There are no instructions at all.
Lets say I wanted to buy bitcoins with the 5 USD.
How exactly would I do that?

Yep, I couldn't figure this out either. Tried "Ask" but my submission just disappeared into the nether.

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There's no content for those pages yet. I'm still waiting to see what the FAQ are.

To buy bitcoins you place a bid. In the amount you put how many bitcoins you want to buy and the price you put what you are willing to pay per BTC. So to spend 5 USD you could buy 5 BTC at 1.00 each or 50 at 0.10 each or whatever.

Also, there aren't any error messages yet so if you do something wrong it will just redirect you to the account page instead of explaining what you did wrong. I'm working on that currently.

Check out http://openid.anonymity.com/

It can be as anonymous as any other form of ID.

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Thanks!

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Got my $5 fast, now I'm just waiting for the btc  ;D

It takes a few minutes for the transaction to be confirmed.

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Thanks!

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Wow, payout's are fast. Still haven't received the 5btc yet though, do these transactions normally take this long?

There hasn't been a block in over an hour, so that's what is holding this up.

I was told that the average is about 10 minutes but it can take longer depending on how soon the next block is solved in the chain.

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thanks

Account (#832094)

 :)

So, I would like to turn the 5 USD I got into BTC. Is there a way to do that from the site, or do I have to withdraw the 5 USD and turn it into BTC myself?

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Just make a bid for $5 worth of bitcoins. You can buy 5 BTC at 1 USD or 10 BTC at 0.50 USD.

Just got my 5btc, thanks a lot kind sir!  ;D

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Received it, thanks!

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Thanks very much!

account number: 415863

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Thanks

got the usd and the btc - thanks :)

some questions:
is there a way to view the outstanding order book?
are orders filled instantly and automatically (like they are on mtgox), or is there a periodic cron job?

Not currently but it will be added soon.


Trades are currently executed every 5 minutes. If more people prefer it another way, I'm open to suggestions.

794516. Looks not bad (excepting a bug in Chrome). :)

So my order didn't REALLY go into the nether? What if I want to change it, or kill it?

If you have a trade waiting to be executed it will be listed under current holds. You will have a check box next to it that you can tick and then click remove.

cool. i think that's pretty important.


well, ideally they'd be executed immediately upon entry of a matching order (a la mtgox).

one other comment: from the home page, it seems there's no way to go to the account page. even if i have logged in, i just see 'home' 'about' and 'faq', there's no 'account' link. in order to get to the account page, i have to manually go to the account.php page.

I have nothing in holds, so I guess it really did go into the nether. I'll try again.

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There was probably an error with your request but I don't have them displayed yet. I'm still working on that with the web designer.

You can also login again and it will redirect you. I'm writing all these suggestions down. Thanks for the feedback!

For anyone else trying to use a gmail account as an OpenID, put this in the login field: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id
Just like that, without your gmail name. The next screen asks for your gmail name and password if you're not already logged into Google.

Thanks for the cash.
I would suggest an order book and a price graph would be important features for this to work properly.

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Tried another one and it also went into the nether.

Another issue is, you might want to make 'Amount' and 'Price' more explicit as to which currency should go into which box.

I sent 5 BTC to my new account at B2C 26 minutes ago, and it has 2 confirms, yet doesn't show in my balance on the site. How many confirms do you require?

EDIT: My mistake. I didn't realize I had inadvertently created two accounts and I was looking for the 5 BTC in the wrong one. Everything is working smoothly so far!

i have the same question :)

EDIT: seems to have shown up after 3 conf.

5 and 5 received. Thanks. Now just to decide what to do with it to try and make it bigger :)

It would be good if I would stay logged into my account. Every time I switch back to the home screen I have to log back in again.

nice site. i received the 5$ and 5BTC.

i found a bug (?) while testing your site. i sold 0.01BTC at 0.75$/BTC to test. and what i got is $0.01. i think you shouldn't round that ;)

That's intentional.

You can't sell 0.01 BTC at $0.75 because that would require a dollar amount of $0.075. If you try to make a trade that requires fractions of 0.01 BTC or USD it currently rounds your trade up. The alternative would be not to round anything and simply reject the trade but that would force people to do a little more math.

One hour and 10 confirms now, still nothing. Not cool. Account #155466

EDIT: My mistake. I didn't realize I had inadvertently created two accounts and I was looking for the 5 BTC in the wrong one. Everything is working smoothly so far!

# 802332  :)

another feature request: ability to send funds, btc or usd, between users.

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i see.

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Thank you!

It should only take one confirmation. Let me get to the bottom of it for you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: According to http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv there hasn't been anything sent to your address. What address did you send to?

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Thanks and best of luck with the project!

Wow, what a great offer I missed out on. :( Oh well. Nice site though. :D

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thanks!

You sure do like giving away money!

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Is this offer over ????

I sent 5 BTC to 1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx, which I'm sure I copied from your site after selecting Deposit from the drop-down.
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx

I just now sent 1 BTC more to the address it's currently giving me, 1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv, as a test. I guess it changes the address each time a deposit is received? Except my account on your site didn't get credited for the 5 BTC.

EDIT: The 1 BTC sent to 1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv went through quickly, and it's still showing the same address for additional deposits. Please check your wallet, as I'm sure I got the first address (1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx) from your site as well.

EDIT: My mistake. I didn't realize I had inadvertently created two accounts and I was looking for the 5 BTC in the wrong one. Everything is working smoothly so far!

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The addresses don't change. They are reused. The only way you could get two different addresses is if you ended up with two different accounts and the only way that could happen is if you logged in with two different OpenID URL's, such as using HTTP instead of HTTPS or vice versa or appending extra data to the string. Case doesn't matter though and neither should the trailing backslash i.e. aol.com and aol.com/ are equivalent. If you can figure out what you changed then you should be able to log in to the other account and recover your funds. Let me know if you can't figure it out and we'll escalate things until the problem is resolved.

Oh wow, I'd have never expected that using a different url for the same ID (my Google account) would be treated as different ID's on your site. Sure enough, I tried logging in with the previous url and found my 5 BTC. Maybe I just don't understand the technical details of OpenID, but I imagine this could cause confusion for others also. Any way to fix this?

So, I have two accounts at B2C now: 430572 with 5 BTC and 155466 with 1 BTC.

Well, I'm not sure exactly how those two URL's differ or why that's even possible but as things are, I create a salted hash of the URL to identify you when you login.

However, you can easily withdraw your BTC from your account directly to the other account to consolidate things.

Here's the current work-in-progress order book -> https://www.bitcoin2cash.com/orders.php

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Bitcoin2cash:
Please credit my account 430572 with $5 and 5 BTC, per the promo, if you haven't already done so for one of my two accounts.

the layout is still kind of broken on chrome

335057 thankyou ^^

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pls, change font in top menu :)

One is using http://openid-provider.appspot.com/<GoogleUsername>
The other is using https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id

#831511 thank you

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tnx

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Thanks

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No, he's just lamenting over the fact that he joined after this thread was created and is therefore ineligible. Unfortunately, I have to do that to prevent the same people from repeatedly creating new accounts.

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thanks!

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660433 please! Thanks. I think this promotion is a great way to jump-start your service!

created account 

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Thanks.

thanks. got mine

Woot, my account was created a day before this topic :3

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looks good! :)

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Thanks!

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Thanks, site looks great.

I did not get 5 BTC and 5 USD yet. :(

I don't know how you can get the original account if something is random, but these work consistently for me for my Google account:
http://openid-provider.appspot.com/<GoogleUsername>
https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id

I did receive the promotional 5 USD and 5 BTC. Thanks!

Got mine! Thanks :D

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Thank you.

My account was credited, thanks!

So now everyone with credits... lets trade.  Put in buy and sell offers where you think appropriate!

I've been biting my tongue about this for quite a while now. I simply can't hold my words any longer.

First off, before I say anything, I'd like to commend Bitcoin2Cash and offer my respect. Running these cash in the mail type services are not easy. I don't see him as competition, nor does this post stem from jealousy. It stems from concern.

Does anyone know why my service doesn't *mail out* cash? It's not because I'm keeping it hidden in a secret bunker somewhere or that I particularly like the smell of US money. (Ever notice how rancid it smells? Canadian fiat doesn't smell anything like that. lol!)

It has to do with psychology. Let me explain:

There is a certain expectation from the receiver of mail (your customer) that the mail will actually get there. Ex: If you mail cash to your customer and it is lost the customer will expect you to replace it. Also, you will encounter dishonest people who will lie to get paid twice.

This isn't as problematic in the other direction. (Assuming that you weren't indeed the cause of the lost mail or problem in this example.) If a customer mails cash to your exchange, and it is lost, you'll never have a customer expect that you pay them Bitcoins anyway. They'll just (in most cases) sadly accept that the mail got lost on its way to you.

I know what you are thinking: tracked/registered lettermail. Well, this increases the cost per trade and it won't stop the thieves from claiming the envelope had been opened before they had received it.

Registered mail gets lost too. It happens. USPS might just refund the price of your stamp or something equally stupid. If you are planning on doing business outside of the USA you will have severe delays. Registered/tracked mail has to clear customs in most jurisdictions.

You have a registered LLC. That's also really bad. Why did you do that? You are just asking to be under even more statues/regulations. You are freer as a human being under common law. Trust me on that one.

Having the word "Cash" on the envelope in the past was an amateur mistake. It took a lot of will power for me to not say anything there too. I didn't want to come across as some sort of jealous asshole that wanted to see you fail.

If you are using PO Boxes you must be absolutely sure that the employees are not snoops. The first time a letter goes missing or is slightly torn open it is time to change POs! I'm serious.

Also, you are operating from one of the worst places in the world do be doing this. The DOJ and *insert alphabet soup agency* will come after you eventually because you are 'low hanging fruit'. To get me, there are far more hoops to jump through. Plus, what I'm doing isn't illegal in my country. It appears to be illegal in yours - my condolences.

This will certainly be an "up hill" battle for you. I wish you the best of luck. :)

Your "brother in arms",
The Madhatter

I can vouch for that. I had the postal service deliver a $120 book to the wrong door (an idiot neighbor who didn't pay rent and stole my cable). But since it was marked as delivered, I was pretty much out of luck. When I asked the manager if I could get the driver to show me where he dropped the package, I was told "They don't get involved like that, you'll have to call the Post Master General in DC." Needless to say, I ended up buying another book.

Got it, thank ye. (x

This probably isn't the best place for this discussion. I've started a thread prior to this one that introduced the service which probably would be a better place. However, since you've posted here, I'll respond here. You're welcome to repost in the other thread and I'll repost my response too.


It's just as easy to claim that you never received cash even though you did as it is to claim you sent cash even though you didn't. I'm also assuming that the people that are using my service are interested in the greater anonymity that cash provides and therefore understand the risks and accept them. Otherwise, they would just use some other exchange that is more convenient. I'm trying to fill a niche.


I told everyone not to put our business name on the envelopes for two reasons, one, obviously, "cash" on the front of an envelope is going to draw eyeballs. Secondly, however, the P.O. box isn't registered under the business name, so the employees don't see the word "cash" either, which means there's a strong chance that the mail will get returned if you put the name on there. Some people didn't follow directions and therefore it seems unfair to blame me. I've put instructions on the website so hopefully it will be more clear to everyone.


You can definitely be sure of that. The same problem goes with sending mail too if you're using the same outgoing mailbox repeatedly.


I've already talked to a lawyer. I'm an LLC because there is no use trying to hide from the government, especially since I'm not breaking any laws. Also, an LLC gives people more reason to trust me. For legal purposes the business is an online seller of digital goods. Just like selling WoW gold isn't illegal, neither is selling Bitcoins.

Of course, there are legal risks since no real precedent has been set but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm prepared to fight for my rights. If anyone wants to support me please send a donation to my Bitcoin address in case of needed future legal defense.

I wasn't aware of the other thread. I haven't been on the forums for quite some time.


It's easier for customers to trust you ("trust is earned") than for you to trust your many customers.


Public complaints of missing cash will eventually 'do you in'. (Fake complaints aka "joe job", or real ones. It doesn't matter.) I hope I'm wrong for Bitcoin's sake. Again, not trying to be abrasive here at all. I'm being realistic. :)


It does more than "draw eyeballs". It encourages theft. No one is blaming you. I also know how bad customers are at following directions. :)


It's not about hiding at all. It's about restricting how many statutes/regulations can be applied to your operation. Registering an LLC implies tacit consent to far more rules than if you just did it without an LLC.


That will only work until an investigator follows a drug/*insert bad thing* purchase right to your PO box. Guess what? You are now involved in a "drug ring" or competing lottery or something else they don't like. The end result will be a legal mess.


There is a legal precedent. It's called a unique form of terrorism designed to undermine the value of the US currency. Look at the Liberty Dollar court case.

Want to know how you win a legal battle? Don't play. ;)

Assuming there are no fake complaints, the percentage of accidental losses in the mail will be very small, not enough for me to get a bad reputation. If there is active theft on the part of the postal employees, I'll be aware of it and will be able to take action. As for fake complaints, I don't think many people have much of a reason to do that but that's really just a risk that any business faces, even yours.


There are no more laws that I have to follow as an LLC than as a private individual. It actually offers me protection from being sued personally for my assets.


The same can be said for any form of payment. As long as I'm not actively encouraging illegal activity and had no prior knowledge of it, I'm in the clear.


I've read up on it extensively. The laws he violated only apply to metal coins. Otherwise, people would be getting arrested for WoW gold since it has value, can be used for drug deals, to undermine fiat currency, etc.

I'm more worried about my freedom than you are. Thanks for your concern but I've got things under control.

It will be almost zero losses when customers are sending cash to you. Assuming you don't do anything sloppy like change PO boxes suddenly, etc.

You will have losses for sure when mailing cash to customers. I am certain of this.

Wrong addresses, customers lying about weather or not they received it, misdirected mail (either on purpose or by accident), postal workers stealing it, theft right from the customer's doorstep, people move and forget to have mail forwarded, etc. I could go on and on.

The customer will not care what the excuse is. In their eyes you owe them cash. I realized this very early on and decided to do cash trades in only one direction for this very reason.


So you will seriously fill out a USPS claim for cash that was in an envelope? This may actually alert more thieves in the postal system to what you are doing.


Oh sure. When you have piles of people with less than 5 posts under their belt complaining all at once it is easy to see that it's a "joe job". The real problem is when you have established/trusted members of the forum complaining, your reputation is toast.


That's just plain wrong. Look up the LLC Acts in your state. Do they apply to you as a private citizen if you never registered an LLC? Nope. Are there more Acts that apply only to LLCs? You bet! Keep digging.

Protection of personal assets from what? An angry customer that is missing cash? They won't sue you for such small amounts of money. (Talking about dollars). In terms of Bitcoin, since it isn't a recognized currency (not legal tender) you can't be sued or sue for them. No court will honor contracts in Bitcoin.

The LLC is a hindrance. You should drop it.


I don't think so. An investigator will follow cash to you for a drug purchase and you'll have them at your door at 4am. (Drug dealers sleep in I guess. This is also your warning to remove any/all contraband from your premesis.) They'll likely look for drugs on your premises and find none.

You'll begin your long speech about how Bitcoin works and how you don't need to follow any KYC regulations. It will sound fishy. It's hard to say where it will go from there. They are uncharted waters. I'm sure it won't be fun.


You don't think that the ruling applies to Bitcoin. Interesting. Are you sure? I guess it all depends on if Bitcoin undermines the US currency or not, right?


They can go right to Blizzard (? I don't play games) and demand the data or tell them to stop it. They don't have that option with Bitcoin.


Have you looked at the US statutes around 'stored money items'? What about money transmitting without a license? As soon as Bitcoin is determined to be money-like they'll bend those statutes out of shape and upon your LLC. That's if the unique form of domestic terrorism crap isn't slapped upon you first.

A private citizen is exempt from the money transmitting license statutes as far as I can tell. Yet another reason not to use an LLC.

Human rights don't apply to LLCs. You have less rights in any legal situation. If you are going to try to stand on your constitution you will fail with a LLC. There are many examples floating around.

You'd be even better off if you let your customers mail cash to each other with a WoT or similar trust system. Be sure to host your site outside of the USA, drop the LLC, and you'll be far better protected. :)

Again, what's to stop them from doing the same to you or any other business? Nothing. I'm not unique.


I should have been more specific. There are no extra relevant laws other than filing fees, etc. Can you show me how any of those laws matter other than worrying about filing fees, etc? Please provide a single example of a law (please provide a link as well) that would convince me that it would be better not to be an LLC. Right now, you're just being too vague.


That's not what he was arrested for. He was arrested for circulating metal coins as currency which is a federal crime. He was not arrested for undermining fiat currency even if that's why the politicians were up in arms. The law is what matters.


That's because I don't do illicit drugs.


How are they going to stop Blizzard or any other MMORPG from having scarce items, which create value, without ruining the game itself? It's not possible. You should also look into "Linden Dollars" which is actually given an exchange rate by the company that runs the game Second Life.


Yes I have. Like I said, I've talked to a lawyer and was advised that my business is legal.


In which case, I will immediately shut down my business since I'm not about to break any laws. However, it's currently legal and that's what matters.


What do you mean, "as far as I can tell"? Either you know or you don't know. What laws can you cite?


Businesses have the same legal rights as people in the United States.

Anyways, this is getting stale and isn't very productive. Please don't worry about me anymore. I'm not really interested in this debate.

I already covered that.

You are unique if you are mailing cash to your customers. You are accepting responsibility for loss, de facto.

If your pockets are deep enough, you'll be ok. If your service is "buyer beware" and you don't mind complaints, you'll be ok. It's just something you should be aware of. You're welcome by the way.


There are more statutes on the state and federal level. To say that an individual is bound by the exact same statutes and regulations is just ludicrous.

I'm not wasting my time finding all of the statutes for you. I'm sure your lawyer can help you with that.


What he was arrested for and what he was convicted of appear to be two different things.


Of course. I wasn't implying that you did. I was implying the exact opposite. It's your explanation of Bitcoin to law enforcement and your perceived unwillingness to cooperate with a police investigation that will cause the problem.


You assume that your DOJ/whatever wouldn't step on Blizzard and halt their currency if people were avidly dealing drugs with it? I find that laughable.


Great.


You just answered my next question with this statement. :)


Okay, I should have been more precise. I made an assumption.

From my very brief look at the statues during the GoldAge case in New York, it appeared that a money transmitting license was only required if you were a LLC/corp. I assume this varies from state to state and since I don't specifically know which state you are LLC'd in I couldn't say for sure. If I was wrong, you get another "great" response from me.


I'm not talking about "legal rights". I'm talking about human rights. There's a huge difference between your constitution and a statute. It would be wise to learn that difference.


Great. I can sleep soundly now. I guess you'll be my canary to the south.

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Why the order page is not visible in my logged in page?

https://www.bitcoin2cash.com/orders.php

Even though i got 5 bitcoin & 5 USD (thanks for giving)
I can't able to buy bitcoin.

I select Bid, submit & then fills amounts & price & submit, then it goes back to my page & my order is not there or in order book.

Also when ever i click about us or FAQ, i am logout & asked to login again.
This happens in both internet explorer & chrome.
I cant even able to place a single order.

Because it's a new feature and is still being tested.


There was an error with your bid, either you didn't have enough funds to cover it or you formatted it wrong.


Those pages don't have any content yet. I'm still working on it.

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Am i too late for the promotion?

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Thank you!

Account (#997254)

Thanks!

Remember, if you didn't create your forum account before the time this thread was created then you aren't eligible. I'm sorry but I have to do this to deter the same people from creating multiple accounts.

lol @ people with 1 post and its in this thread.  :D

That's rather disappointing as I signed up for this account before I saw the thread :(

my account is #990233 if you change your mind

I appreciate that but unfortunately I also have no way of verifying it.

You can see my account is not a fresh account created as a duplicate to steal your money, as I am "graingert" pretty much everywhere

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/tag1g09/

If you can prove that you have access to that website, placing a text file that says "bitcoin2cash", sending me an email from that domain or something like that then I'll allow it. Otherwise, it will just encourage people to look for other people to create accounts for.

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/tag1g09/bitcoin.txt

Thanks, that will work.

Brilliant I await my starting funds eagerly

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Thanks!

I'd be modifying the terms of the promotion so that not only did the account have to be registered before the post, but that it had to have had at least ten posts.

I wonder how many other non-used accounts there are, and who they belong to.

Well, I only have 10 slots left so it's probably not worth the bother at this point.

Just registered:  913730

*EDIT*

Well that was short lived... I can't seem to get back to my account either.  I used the same OpenID URL I used the first time, but it keeps assigning new accounts every time I try to login.  I was using my Google account if it makes any difference.

Any ideas?

My account number is 970037

This service is exciting! Good to see the community growing!

Account #530434 if you haven't run out of slots yet. 

733941 is that the right thing to do?

Alright, I've fixed the problem. It shouldn't do that anymore. Login again several times and verify it please.

120842 Can I still get the promotion?

Oops, that's the testing account! I had it set in testing mode but didn't put it offline. Log in again and you'll get a real account.

There are 6 slots left now.

bitcoin2cash trust ++

I seem to be getting the same account now: 913730

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1PMY6xms3LR7qURKgHcvqAaNAzjUnBEVHS

You people thick or something?

Anyway, thanks bitcoin2cash, your site is showing the 5 and 5 like you said.

Are you sure your site is working?

The order book shows an ask price of 0.90. When I put in a bid for 0.90 it doesn't match the orders and just adds my bid to the list of bids in the order book.

If I put in an ask of .90 it just adds that to the list of ask orders (as it should, but I figured I'd try that as well to see if there was a terminology problem).

The trades are executed every 5 minutes.

And so they are. Thanks.

AHHHH the golden days, 5btc for signing up at a site. :o

Woah, didn't expect to see this one in my updated topics. This is quite a resurrection, howzar.

I wish I did join this offer!!!

too late guys