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Hi guys,

what is the actual status of Blockchain Gambling, is there now Live-Roulette running? I ask this, because i don' t like to be scammed anymore  through the middle man Online Casino.

The last one (fortunejack.com) stole from me 20$ It' s not much money, but under this conditions i can' t gamble with serious money.

Hover and search through the Gambling section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0) and you'll see different casinos offering roulette games and if they're live or not, it's for you to find out.

Why would you go into a casino that has a middleman if you can gamble directly to the entire platform that's being managed by a reputable casino? Don't go with such casinos that are requiring a middleman.

Are you sure about the accusation you have for them? They're a known casino and one that's also reputable.

While there are blockchain casinos out there I don't think there's any live roulette that's not involved with a casino.

Also, why did they block you in the first place? I've been playing on fortunejack and I don't think they'll do anything with your account unless it's related to their terms and conditions.

Blockchain or decentralized gambling you mean? there will always be a middle man at a point to review your winnings and process your withdrawals. Live-Roulette running is available on very few gambling platforms.
Most online casinos now run on a blockchain, with full transparency, though some may require you to KYC for some reason.


You are trolling and I think very soon, you will get fed by DT members. I thought you're are having issues with withdrawal until I see your comment about being restricted with IP address, next time before you bet on any platform, read their policy terms.

I have this feeling that you created this thread for the purpose of ruining Fortunejack majority of your post is about Fortunejack scamming you with $20, you did not open a thread on the scam section and posted your evidence and proof, what a pity for $20 you resort to spamming instead of presenting your case.

Yes, i' m a victim of them and their reputation comes mostly from advertising/marketing. They are licensed in CURACAO and in their thread with 526 pages is full with trouble posts.

No, you are wrong! I opened this thread, because i' m on a lookout for projects like Augur and Gnosis but for Live Roulette.

I believe there are lot of live roulettes already and I've been playing it on Roobet the most. Probably you've been into scam online gambling casinos rather on the legit ones. I doubt if FJ really stole it from you or you just think it has been scammed, you better have search it on your history rather than accused them or if you have evidence you can present it here for discussion. Are you referring to a decentralized live roulette where no casinos really involved in them?

I mean, the win and lose decisions must made on the Blockchain, a content provider can be involved like Evolution. I will discover Wink.

Whether big or small amount, everybody knows that they're not going to put their reputation in jeopardy with such issues. There could be some misunderstanding with every gambler's issue.

But have you addressed that to them and have them answered your accusation?

I've read the above posts about what has happened to you. I guess it's on you and not on them.

Could have been a good discussion if you did not add the Fortunejack issue you already have your answer about blockchain gaming but the question that is not yet addressed is the Fortunejack issue have you opened a scam accusation I've checked your post and have not if you have issues small or big amount and if you have proofs and strong case then go and post it so Fortunejack can address it, you've been spamming their thread.

Hey, i' m done this. If you are intrested, you can read about it in their thread or in my posting history. I will never again gamble on such sites, it' s not worth it.

Can you contribute something to the discussion, maybe about Wink or other projects?

What he meant is that you have to create a scam accusation thread on the Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?biard=83.0) board and present your case there with all the evidence needed to back up your claims (if you have any)

I think what you are looking for is games (i.e roulette) which uses a good provably fair system, it doesn't necessarily have to be using the blockchain technology though. It just needs to let you verify the fairness of the result and that the numbers were generated in a totally random way.

I am not aware of Wink but they do have a discussion here in Bitcointalk is this the one

Someone with experience with WINK (WIN)? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326817.0)

You did not post the link but it seems you are talking about this casino

https://www.wink.org/games/live/casino

They also have their own native token and it's already on the market I hope you find what you are looking for and this thread will serve its purpose for people who are also looking for blockchain-based gambling.

Ty, i will try it.

I' m new to this forum and i will do this. I' m  a very excperienced roulette player (European Roulette) and worked in the past as croupier in a land based casino in germany. As i know most of the dirty tricks in this business, I would like to cut the middle men with the Blockchain Technology. Thats why i only deposited cents to the fortunejack.com account for testing.

That's a great idea, I'm also a Roulette fan and bettor, we're talking outside the sites you mentioned above, I don't want to know what, how, and.....how you do Roulette bets there.

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I have an idea for you about Live-Roulette, honestly I have a very honest experience on the site (ROLLBIT) about the Live-Roulette game, see the image below, if you are interested.

https://zizihub.com/3b1425.jpg

Notes:
Gambling at your own risk to lose and win, consider wisely and carefully before going any further.

And how come they scammed you? care to share more information and if you have proof do you mind posting an accusation to accusation board? anyway I don't know about the blockchain gambling I played one before but in Tron and I'm sure that it was rigged. What's the difference between blockchain gambling games and provably fair games?

Oh the irony here couldn't be funnier.  You say all this while promoting a known SCAM! What kind of justification do you have for promoting a scam where many people have come forward showing proof that it is.  It's sad that people like you are that desperate that they're willing to promote a blatant scam.


What does it matter to you? You are promoting a known/proven scam!

OP you should provide proof of Fortune Jack stealing $20 from you.

In terms of blockchain gambling, is this truly a way to be able to ensure that Casinos are not cheating?  I do not know much about it and how the two can work in conjuncture with each other.

You definitely mixed your thread with something else when you mentioned you got scammed by a popular casino like fortunejack. It made the users react about it than the live roulette you asked.

I was expecting a blockchain games that involve results of the roulette depend to the tx or hash combination. So far I have not seen any of it but there are blockchain lottery and dice like I see one bethash.io
No roulette so far. There are however many live roulete especially on fiat base casino.

I haven't seen any roulette of such kind that you are describing, or I haven't been searching at all since my games are confined to dice. But if there's anything that comes up, sure enough people would be quick to advertise it as if it's the next best thing since sliced bread.


I think I've seen this site layout before but can't tell where. Can you give more insights about this platform? Seems like a lot of live roulette games that I can enjoy.

It's like other provably fair algorithms but instead of using a server seed and a client seed to generate random numbers, the algorithm relies mainly on blocks or transactions hashes as source of entropy. If implemented correctly (you have to verify this) then it can guarantee that the results are fair and the casino didn't manipulate them in their favour. Some casinos use smart contracts to automate everything and store all information on the blockchain so no one can change them.
That being said, there are always other ways to cheat other than manipulating the results. Such as voiding bets, rejecting withdrawals, banning accounts...

What do you mean by Blockchain Gambling? There are so many casinos here and there which inturns include some casinos that might scam some people and some casinos that might be having trouble with the VPN or something like that. If you think that fortune Jack have cheated and took 20$ from you then you have to raise a new post in scam section, make an accusations as well. Which will inturn help you for the long run and help clear the reputation of the company as well. I do think that you should also try and get into the probably fair thing, check it yourself, or change to some reputed casino.

There are block chain casinos but I don't know of any that have live-roulette. Blockchain casinos might not necessarily have a third party intermediary but there will be a way of confirmation of both deposit and withdrawal maybe the only advantage will just be the anonymous offer block chain casinos preseents

That means you use a scam site that is not on this forum, I will not also recommend 1xbit as a good gambling sites, you can check the gambling main board for some reputable gambling sites like https://duelbits.com/ and you are good to go. Before you register on a gambling site, you need to research about the gambling site, but I am very sure you did not use a gambling site on this forum, you just use a site that scammed you.

I have heard about blockchain gambling before but I do not know how it works as I have used none, the centralized gambling sites I have used on this forum are enough for me as they are trustworthy, also no need for any addictional fee that will be deducted for each bet I placed, blockchain kind of gambling will not be suitable for bitcoin and ethereum that have high transaction fee.

Blockchain means of gambling will also be only good for people that are not gambling frequently as blockchain fee deduction will occur for each gambling.

https://i.imgur.com/WOUHuJF.png

 Blockchain gambling   (https://www.google.com/search?q=blockchain+casino&oq=blockchain)

I think the above feature is the reason that some gamblers are wanting to play under the blockchain casino. It is very transparent and you don't feel cheated or scammed even where you lost you can do your research on your self through the blockchain. It is more secured and operating in decentralised system.

It this like some kind of hash code block linked to the last confirmed blockchain transaction so that allow the user to record a fair trail or not? I've never played live roulette like that. Live roulette in several other providers also does't adopt blockchain as a system, only relying on classic wheel tools. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Unfortunately you have gotten the wrong mindset, it's highly unlikely that they stole $20 - but you are simply destined to lose all your money by playing such games. They are quite simply engineered to benefit the casino, the casino is not a charity there to hand out free money and there is a reason that last year was the best ever year for gambling company profits. Every single game you play is statistically calculated to return a commission to the "house" each go. You might win game one and game two, but they know that a true gambler will always pay any winnings back to them because the whole activity is heavily driven by greed. Blockchain gambling might reduce the commissions but there are always expenses that will have to be paid by every person betting over time.

I wonder how many topics the OP will create in order to talk about his claims to FJ under any pretext  ::) I do not really understand the motivation to have a separate account on the forum, which since its inception (more than a year) has been engaged only in talking about claims to FJ.

P.S. I've never played on FJ and can't say anything good or bad about them.

If you looking for provably fair live roulette game, I dont think you will find it.
Most live roulette comes from 3rd party providers such as evolution gaming.


Fortunejack stole $20 from you? You must be joking or you lost your money but you cant afford it then accuse the casino as scam.
I'm not defending Fortunejack as I have nothing to do with them, but do you think it make senses for them to risk their reputation such small amount?

Decentralized gambling supposed to be automatic and there is no person behind that controls it. I think manual withdrawals do only happens in a centralized casinos. I don't know if what the op means by middle man in gambling, this is my first time to hear this but I think this only applies to live casinos games because usually it was run by a different people and doesn't happen directly on the casino that your betting.

It looks like you want to avoid betting through a middleman, that is the online casino in your words. The alternative becomes betting person to person ( on a betting exchange) then. This way you play directly against another gambler, and not against the house, as usual. Unfortunatelly, there isn't any popular crypto p2p gambling platforms yet. As far as I know Betfair is the most popular one right now and you will need to use fiat to gamble there.

^ Because the only purpose of the OP is trolling the forum. I don't think FJ will scam on that amount, $20?I don't think so and I think that is a tiny amount for them that they will never surely scam. I have been played there before and as I can say, FJ is one of the best gambling casinos here in the forum.
As long as you can verify the fairness of the game it will always be fine. I never played that kind of casino, especially in the slot but I think the gauyrantee to have a genuine result is on that casino.

This is clearly a quite different discussion because the first and second cases are very different.
First, when you want to see live roulette, it may be difficult to find because on average some of the existing casinos rarely offer it.
Second, you have to be more specific when you say fraud, because with things like this, I think many people will be able to say the same thing, especially if you don't explain anything or any evidence of your fraud.

A lot of casinos has legal status through offshore licenses, so i doubt that you will be scammed for 20-40 dollars. You can look deeply in "Gambling" branch, there is a lot of trusted casinos, like Freebitcoin (link in my signature, without ref, yeah). So, just try it by yourself  :)

How fortunejack did really stole that 20 bucks of yours? on what manner? Considering that this is one of the long running casino on this market which it is really that impossible that they would be scamming those

peanuts.Yeah, there might be some issues but still ending up on getting resolved and they do able to retain or protect their reputation for too long.Speaking of roullette games then there are lots to choose from
which you could just simply visit and make out some research on gambling board which had been already linked or given out by some posters earlier which majority of
them do really offer lots of varieties of games which you could choose on.

i have the feeling that the OP has no solid basis why FJ scammed him for just 20 bucks. maybe, he lost it on his games and accused FJ for it. played a long time ago, didn't get any trouble. and they are one of the reputable casinos here. also, he can directly message the FJ account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=303298) in this forum if he has valid complaint. there's no reason to spread info that is not true.
checking the gambling board alone will give him idea which casinos are credible or not. so better read and try those casinos.

If you want to avoid getting scammed in gambling then don't play live games because you can't verify each roll. it's a better option to look for a provably fair roulette game where you can verify each bet. I just take a look at provablyfair dot me and there I found only one option:

https://www.provablyfair.me/game/roulette/

And that's the stake option, that's a huge casino, so, you can trust them.

Fortunejack is a gambling site that has a lot of reputation in this forum, as you have started an accusation, it's essential that you present evidence against him or at least explain better the situation that happened to you.
I'm not defending either side, but it seems to me that you asked about blockchain just to give reasons or draw attention to your unsubstantiated complaint.

And as far as I know, the use of blockchain for the example you cited doesn't exist yet.

Which i do rather see this as a side shill out on FJ rather than on actual query of roulette.It isnt really needed to make out some mentions but if he does
have those proofs then he could always post on Scam accusations with having that solid proof or else people would really be seeing that he do just simply
trolling out.Just like on what most people been saying on this one that there are lots of reputable sites which you could play roulette game fairly.

You mean blockchain based decentralized casino? I have heard there are few, but don't know how they work or what their current status is. I would suggest you not to risk anything in those casinos. Why not choose a casino with good reputation that has live roulette? Casinos that has good reputation won't scam anyone, at least not for $20.
Keep in mind that most "Live Roulette" isn't actually provided by the casino themselves, but by third-party game providers.

Are you going to be an investor of their token? If I'm to choose and I have money, I'll buy that token because it's on its low and there are also other casinos that have their token.
So if you're for those type of casinos, it's freebitco.in that also have their own token that you might invest with. That's all if you want to diversify your portfolio but it's up to you if you're going to like their games.

Well you can find the casinos on your own, you should have your own research.
However, based on my research I found this affiliate site that has a list of blockchain casinos ^{[ https://casinosblockchain.io/ ]}, this will perhaps help you look a good one. Decentralized casinos are very rare nowadays but if you are going to ask me I prefer to choose the centralized one because they are legal gambling casinos. So be careful always.

Hi OP if you feel you get scammed why not open a scam accusation and discuss clearly your issue? is not a good habit point a discussion without any tangible proof. About your question for what I know actually there are not roulette game related to blockchain.
In the past some games (mostly lotto) where related to blockchain but they haven't collected much success at the end since tx are not free... there is some time to wait and more over...

I don't understand the role of "middle-man" you are referring to. A $20 scam doesn't make sense if the involved site is a popular one. There might be something we don't know about the story.

Moving forward, there are lots of trusted gambling sites you can consider. More to mention but if you want to do your own research, you can lurk at some of the ANN threads here and you should understand how good the site is by just reading comments.

fortunejack.com?
Are you serious about that?
What do you mean and why did you accuse that Fortunejack.com scam you?
fortunejack.com is one of the most reputable gambling platforms. Please be detailed in doing the scam accusation so that we can really understand whether it is an only accusation or because of your own mistake.

If you are talking about crypto gambling platforms there are much reputable gambling platform that accept crypto. ANd some of them are legit and reputable, one of them is the one that you accused. So far, nothing wrong with the platfomr. Have you contacted their CS?

But we cannot also avoid that there are also some scam gambling platforms that you may find. That is why juts be more careful when choosing them and understand their TOS or T&C