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Title: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: dark1234 on March 02, 2022, 11:20:07 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today
and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: tippytoes on March 02, 2022, 11:32:54 PM When Putin decided to attack Ukraine, I have the feeling that he will push thru this attack at any cost. He won't be stopping now as the world sees his desire of power of Ukraine. We have no idea what is he thinking right now that a lot of governments are uniting to put sanctions towards his country. I am not seeing that UN can stop him on this invasion. We don't know how his mind works but at the moment, it seems he's like a madman going back to savage period.
Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Hamphser on March 02, 2022, 11:41:47 PM When Putin decided to attack Ukraine, I have the feeling that he will push thru this attack at any cost. He won't be stopping now as the world sees his desire of power of Ukraine. We have no idea what is he thinking right now that a lot of governments are uniting to put sanctions towards his country. I am not seeing that UN can stop him on this invasion. We don't know how his mind works but at the moment, it seems he's like a madman going back to savage period. No one could completely stop about the invasion and imposing sanctions are the only things that they could do for now. NO country would tend to go with war just to stop them which is suicide.So far other strong or powerful countries doesnt still make out some significant step but rather just observing basing up on my own observation too.There might be some possible peace talks but i doubt that this wouldnt just simply be arranged on what we are anticipating. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: coolcoinz on March 03, 2022, 12:06:51 AM They will not join hands as long as Putin remains the leader. I see 3 possible outcomes at this point.
1. Ukraine is completely destroyed to the point where there's no more military, just rubble. 2. Russia is forced to withdraw somehow by his own nation, maybe the military refusing to fight, maybe Putin's assassination. 3. Putin escalates the conflict by attacking a NATO country, or by destroying humanitarian convoys, in which case we'll have an even bigger conflict. With so many Ukrainians dead and cities destroyed they won't back down from this. For them it's a fight to the death, no compromise. They won't give up half of their county just to make the invaders stop bombing their cities. Peace talks won't change much. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Obito on March 03, 2022, 04:37:01 AM That will only happen when Russia finally conquers Ukraine or Putin is removed from power and is replaced by a leader that's far more leaning towards peaceful relations rather than choosing war as an option and given that the latter is impossible then we will just hope that the people will finally say that enough is enough and revolt against the government.
Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Retainly_Collie on March 03, 2022, 05:26:00 AM I know war is a crime and a mistake, but why do people just see the problem without questioning the reason. The fact that Russia creates tension like the present is probably carefully considered and calculated in bad cases, I do not believe that there will be a consensus between the parties for the sake of no one willing to give in to anyone, and this is human selfishness.
Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 03, 2022, 06:04:14 AM As long as Ukraine continues to spout its fake news about how Russia is killing people, we certainly will not be able to properly look at the whole situation that is happening now. As long as people are ready to believe only one side, completely not listening to the other, unanimity, and peace will be difficult to achieve. Europe does not receive Russian news, which today they are completely trying to block.
But Russia and Ukraine have always been fraternal peoples, which they are now. Russia is not at war with Ukraine, it is at war with the nationalist and fascist regime, which has been operating for 8 years on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, until the world sobers up and takes off its glasses, there will be an illusion that Russia is the aggressor. Although smart people, with logical conclusions, may look at the situation in a completely different way. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Argoo on March 03, 2022, 07:13:42 AM As long as Ukraine continues to spout its fake news about how Russia is killing people, we certainly will not be able to properly look at the whole situation that is happening now. As long as people are ready to believe only one side, completely not listening to the other, unanimity, and peace will be difficult to achieve. Europe does not receive Russian news, which today they are completely trying to block. I think that you will sober up in the near future and take off those points that the people of Russia now have from Putin. What is the nationalist and fascist regime in Ukraine? What kind of Putin nonsense? When was the last time you were in Ukraine? How can postochnaya ideological propaganda change the minds of an entire nation. Nothing, these people will soon begin to see clearly.But Russia and Ukraine have always been fraternal peoples, which they are now. Russia is not at war with Ukraine, it is at war with the nationalist and fascist regime, which has been operating for 8 years on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, until the world sobers up and takes off its glasses, there will be an illusion that Russia is the aggressor. Although smart people, with logical conclusions, may look at the situation in a completely different way. Putin attacked Ukraine under the pretext that Ukraine would be a danger to Russia if it joined NATO, which means that it must be prevented from doing so. In his reflections on justifying the subsequent aggression, he even went so far as to deny the sovereignty of Ukraine, he violated its territorial integrity 8 years ago. Right next to Russia's border, its neighbors are NATO members Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. For some reason, they are not a threat to Russia, but Ukraine will be. Therefore, Putin demands that Ukraine refuse to join NATO, and at the same time the European Union. Will not work. Putin will not be able to bring the free people of Ukraine to their knees. During the seven days of the Russian invasion, they lost 5840 invaders killed, more than 200 prisoners, 211 tanks, 862 armored vehicles, 30 combat aircraft, 31 attack helicopters, 85 artillery systems, 40 multiple launch rocket systems, 9 air defense systems, 355 vehicles. Moreover, Russia does not want to take back its dead soldiers so as not to show losses, and for each killed in Ukraine it will pay his family an amount in rubles, which is equal to 50 dollars. The invaders have already killed 2,000 civilians in Ukraine over the past week. Peace between Ukraine and Russia is only possible if Putin's criminal regime falls. Yesterday, the UN already adopted a resolution calling on Russia to immediately stop the aggression and completely withdraw its troops from the territory of Ukraine, including the previously occupied Donbass and Crimea. But Russia spat and spits on all international norms. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Ararbermas on March 03, 2022, 11:01:25 AM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today it's very impossible for both country to have peaceful life because putin doesn't want any relationship when it comes NATO wherein reason he wants to take down and invade Ukraine.. Especially their president which the main target of putin. and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine So i don't think someone can suggest them to be okay even with the help of big nations, because even during the war no one wants to save Ukraine and be part of the war. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Findingnemo on March 03, 2022, 02:37:51 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today UN is simply there and can't stop anything, the invasion is happening while all countries are talking about peace and deal the issue not in the war way. Russian military almost captured the Ukraine so they are at the verge of surrendering now, other countries are not helping with military aids just announced trade sanctions.and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Marykeller on March 03, 2022, 02:56:46 PM If peace later returns to Ukraine, they should be wiser in the peacekeeping mission and fall victim to external manoeuvering. Surely, there should be coexistence among other countries, but deeper and thorough checks on the merits and demerits of things should be premium.
In cities of Russia, rallies are held against the WAR with Ukraine. But for some reason, even despite this, everyone forgets that people are powerless against politics. !! Sadly !!! I pray for peace. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Similificator on March 03, 2022, 03:15:41 PM Things have already reached this far and I do not think that it will be as easy as that to stop what's going on. I'm not closing myind to the possibility though, it's just that in my understanding, as long as Ukraine never really lets go of their freedom to choose in being a part of a western alliance which is NATO, I do not think Putin will ever put an end to this. But as to what I can see, Ukraine is fighting for this very freedom and has already been past the shackles of fear. I just hope Putin will stop all this and let Ukraine do its thing since it is their right as a free country.
Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: CapGelatik on March 03, 2022, 03:30:10 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today UN is simply there and can't stop anything, the invasion is happening while all countries are talking about peace and deal the issue not in the war way. Russian military almost captured the Ukraine so they are at the verge of surrendering now, other countries are not helping with military aids just announced trade sanctions.and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine because I think that possibility will always exist and if I see videos circulating on social media about the situation in Ukraine, where a lot of infrastructure has been destroyed, I am really concerned, talk about military aid if I'm not mistaken that there are actually several neighboring countries of Ukraine that send aid even in small amounts Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: perfect999 on March 03, 2022, 03:48:44 PM When Putin decided to attack Ukraine, I have the feeling that he will push thru this attack at any cost. He won't be stopping now as the world sees his desire of power of Ukraine. We have no idea what is he thinking right now that a lot of governments are uniting to put sanctions towards his country. I am not seeing that UN can stop him on this invasion. We don't know how his mind works but at the moment, it seems he's like a madman going back to savage period. No one could completely stop about the invasion and imposing sanctions are the only things that they could do for now. NO country would tend to go with war just to stop them which is suicide.So far other strong or powerful countries doesnt still make out some significant step but rather just observing basing up on my own observation too.There might be some possible peace talks but i doubt that this wouldnt just simply be arranged on what we are anticipating. It's not just a simple suicide but this is a fight for the honour of one country and if ever a soldier dies, he will still get a recognition from the governments. There is a rumoured peace talk too that will happen between them so maybe other countries didn't make a move because they are waiting for this? Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: TribalBob on March 03, 2022, 04:30:26 PM to join hands at this time there is no picture if a Putin has not stepped down from his position as president,
but we also have to know what is the reason for these two countries at war, whoever is disturbed will definitely fight, judging from the first invasion here russia which was cornered by ukraine (trying to understand what was the basis for the beginning of the war between these two countries) Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: NeuroticFish on March 03, 2022, 04:42:22 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine So your solution against a madman that wants to built an empire is .. to get everybody surrender to him, hence avoid war?! Ukraine wants EU and NATO. Russia wants Soviet union. Do they seem to have similar goals? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the world having no longer countries, all under same management and same currency. But not like this. A smart world, not an empire. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Furious 7 on March 03, 2022, 05:47:21 PM This is something very difficult. None of them initially moved in the war to join hands because it was possible that if it wasn't for Ukraine, which was crushed to rubble, Russia would be forced to withdraw.
although it is true that until now there are still those who hope for peace there and even if there is a declaration of peace later there will always be upheavals that will never end as long as they still want their respective interests Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: MCVXYZ on March 03, 2022, 06:10:58 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine The war is not just between Ukraine and Russia. Its war between Europe and Russia and the frontline is Ukraine, where Russian bombs are killing innocent Ukrainian children. As for the issue of international relations, The most powerful thing is political and economical isolation, which of course is very bad for everyone but may help to stop war. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Silberman on March 03, 2022, 06:42:06 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today It is too late for something like that to happen, the opportunity to do this was before the war, now that the war is taking place all of those peace negotiations that we are seeing are useless, there is not even a cease of fire while they are conducting those talks which should tell you all what you need to know about them, also the sanctions the west is imposing on Russia are so hard that now it is impossible for Russia to back down, so at this point I have little doubt that Ukraine will be annexed by Russia.and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: DrBeer on March 03, 2022, 06:54:18 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine The war is not just between Ukraine and Russia. Its war between Europe and Russia and the frontline is Ukraine, where Russian bombs are killing innocent Ukrainian children. As for the issue of international relations, The most powerful thing is political and economical isolation, which of course is very bad for everyone but may help to stop war. No. This is a war between civilization and savages. Between truth and lies. Between morality and degradation. Between the future and the "road to the past", between the rule of law and terrorism. Reconcile? It's like reconciling Poland and Hitler's Germany in 1939. It's like reconciling in 1940 Finland and the USSR. Or during the raid on Pearl Harbor, make peace with the United States and Japan! Here, for 8 days, there has been mass terror and the destruction by the troops of Russian fascism, residential buildings, schools, hospitals, they did not even spare the maternity hospital! Small towns are destroyed almost completely. Kharkov - there is a humanitarian tragedy, FAB-500 bombs - the most powerful non-nuclear charge - were used against the civilian population. If you want, I can provide a lot of photo and video materials, with nightmarish footage of the destruction and murder of citizens of Ukraine, by the fascist regime of Russia! http://ibb.co.com/images/ukr7c8d0aba53f7ca27.jpg Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: MCVXYZ on March 03, 2022, 09:40:11 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine The war is not just between Ukraine and Russia. Its war between Europe and Russia and the frontline is Ukraine, where Russian bombs are killing innocent Ukrainian children. As for the issue of international relations, The most powerful thing is political and economical isolation, which of course is very bad for everyone but may help to stop war. No. This is a war between civilization and savages. Between truth and lies. Between morality and degradation. Between the future and the "road to the past", between the rule of law and terrorism. Reconcile? It's like reconciling Poland and Hitler's Germany in 1939. It's like reconciling in 1940 Finland and the USSR. Or during the raid on Pearl Harbor, make peace with the United States and Japan! Here, for 8 days, there has been mass terror and the destruction by the troops of Russian fascism, residential buildings, schools, hospitals, they did not even spare the maternity hospital! Small towns are destroyed almost completely. Kharkov - there is a humanitarian tragedy, FAB-500 bombs - the most powerful non-nuclear charge - were used against the civilian population. If you want, I can provide a lot of photo and video materials, with nightmarish footage of the destruction and murder of citizens of Ukraine, by the fascist regime of Russia! http://ibb.co.com/images/ukr7c8d0aba53f7ca27.jpg I'm watching everyday how they kill innocent citizens, they are using vacuum bombs and clusters. they are trying to genocide Ukrainians but It won't happen, the whole world stands with Ukraine. I can't say anything just wonder how can they kill these beautiful children?.... May god give you power to endure everything. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: af_newbie on March 03, 2022, 09:40:23 PM No, for as long as Russian imperialism is alive and well.
The world needs to "de-Punitify" Russia. Here Moskalaki rob stores: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoM5yx1IVFY Nice army, fucking animals. Kill and plunder. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Cnut237 on March 04, 2022, 08:59:39 AM Here Moskalaki rob stores Videos like this do add weight to the claims that the invading army thought this would be over quickly, and brought only a couple of days' worth of rations. It was a miscalculation that hopefully the Ukrainian defenders can exploit. The Russian army's biggest weakness is probably its supply lines. The issue of long supply lines has protected Russia in the past from Napoleon and Hitler amongst others, it looks like the Russian strength in defence may also be one of its weaknesses in attack. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Agbe on March 10, 2022, 10:39:55 PM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Yes. The international organization like United Nations can bring peace to the two countries but Ukraine will never forget the damage done by Russia, So, if Russia fight with another country, Ukraine will join forces with the country to fight against Russia. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: af_newbie on March 11, 2022, 12:04:32 AM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Yes. The international organization like United Nations can bring peace to the two countries but Ukraine will never forget the damage done by Russia, So, if Russia fight with another country, Ukraine will join forces with the country to fight against Russia. I don't think Ukraine will EVER forgive Russia for this invasion. And I am not sure any of the western countries will either. The credibility of Russia has been permanently damaged by Putin and his acolytes. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: lumbanrang on March 11, 2022, 03:22:08 AM Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine Why can not? Don't you remember how America and Japan, once enemies, became friends? nothing is impossible, this is all a matter of politics, in politics there are no enemies or friends, there are only interests. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Poker Player on March 11, 2022, 07:11:18 AM Why can not? Don't you remember how America and Japan, once enemies, became friends? nothing is impossible, this is all a matter of politics, in politics there are no enemies or friends, there are only interests. They became friends by force after the US dropped a couple of atomic bombs on Japan, so rather than becoming friends, Japan became a vassal of the US. We could only say that they were friends on equal terms many decades after the end of the conflict. I hope that such ways of achieving friendship will not be experimented with in this conflict. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: lumbanrang on March 11, 2022, 08:00:07 AM Why can not? Don't you remember how America and Japan, once enemies, became friends? nothing is impossible, this is all a matter of politics, in politics there are no enemies or friends, there are only interests. They became friends by force after the US dropped a couple of atomic bombs on Japan, so rather than becoming friends, Japan became a vassal of the US. We could only say that they were friends on equal terms many decades after the end of the conflict. I hope that such ways of achieving friendship will not be experimented with in this conflict. Yes, we know that it will take years to achieve "peace" but that doesn't mean there is no possibility of making peace. And I think that Putin is not stupid to carry out a nuclear bombing on Ukrainian territory. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Ultegra134 on March 12, 2022, 07:33:34 AM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine The war is not just between Ukraine and Russia. Its war between Europe and Russia and the frontline is Ukraine, where Russian bombs are killing innocent Ukrainian children. As for the issue of international relations, The most powerful thing is political and economical isolation, which of course is very bad for everyone but may help to stop war. The war isn't going to stop anytime soon, unless Zelensky surrenders and meet Russia's demands, something which is currently highly unlikely. Putin will keep going till he gets what he wants, one way or another. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: laredo7mm on March 12, 2022, 10:22:36 AM We all already know some of the reasons why Russia and Ukraine have conflicts as reported in many media today and this tends to be the attitude of Russia's Separatism and this war will not easily stop or there will be peace Can the international world as the United Nations (UN) bridge these two countries so that they can make peace or to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine The world has seen some significant changes in world politics and power in the last few days. NATO was presented as an anaconda to the world by the western media. But Russia vs Ukraine war shows how weak NATO is against a nuclear-capable country. A NATO member of Poland offers the USA that they will donate their mig-29 to NATO by sending them to the USA base in Germany. Germany denies these offers by fearing Russian aggression. Poland and Germany both fear Russia and don't want to help Ukraine directly with those aircraft. NATO shows their weakness and any new countries will think twice before joining NATO. The whole world has been divided into two-block. In this situation, I really doubt about UN's influence over this tension. Ukraine will be forced into Russia's terms and it seems their president already accepted those by seeing NATO's action. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Cryptmuster on March 12, 2022, 10:51:15 AM The world has seen some significant changes in world politics and power in the last few days. NATO was presented as an anaconda to the world by the western media. But Russia vs Ukraine war shows how weak NATO is against a nuclear-capable country. A NATO member of Poland offers the USA that they will donate their mig-29 to NATO by sending them to the USA base in Germany. Germany denies these offers by fearing Russian aggression. Poland and Germany both fear Russia and don't want to help Ukraine directly with those aircraft. NATO shows their weakness and any new countries will think twice before joining NATO. The whole world has been divided into two-block. In this situation, I really doubt about UN's influence over this tension. Ukraine will be forced into Russia's terms and it seems their president already accepted those by seeing NATO's action. Ukraine will never agree to the conditions of Russia, because they are terrorists. Occupiers without morality and humanity, only the last scum who have no soul can bomb kindergartens, schools and maternity hospitals. Dozens of children killed is not normal. NATO turned out to be just a horror story that does not work. Almost everyone has their tails between their legs, sitting and fearfully hoping that this will not affect them, but it has affected everyone. I watched an excerpt today, as solovyov in one of the russian programs said that there was no point in stopping at the western border of Ukraine, that need to go to the end. But Europe still hopes that this will not affect them and they are cowardly afraid to give planes to Ukraine for defense, they are afraid of a dictator who might get angry. This is nonsense, stop being afraid, evil must be stopped. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 11:50:10 PM Ukraine was simply the excuse, Putin doesn't want NATO next to his country, which was also a country that belonged in the Soviet Union, a large part of their territory is Russian and their citizens are Russian - speaking for the very same reason. Well, Russia already have NATO next to their country - It's Poland and Baltic states. So, Ukraine wouldn't be different, but Ukraine becoming NATO members probably would hit Putin ambitions very hard because he don't consider Ukraine as independent country with their history.The war isn't going to stop anytime soon, unless Zelensky surrenders and meet Russia's demands, something which is currently highly unlikely. Putin will keep going till he gets what he wants, one way or another. And fact that big part of Ukraine people think and speak Russian doesn't makes them into Russians, you can ask some forum members about it. For example Kharkiv or Melitopol is cities where majority of people speak Russian, but nobody welcomed Russian troops with flowers there. Nobody don't want to have Russkiy Mir there. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Ultegra134 on March 13, 2022, 08:09:48 PM Ukraine was simply the excuse, Putin doesn't want NATO next to his country, which was also a country that belonged in the Soviet Union, a large part of their territory is Russian and their citizens are Russian - speaking for the very same reason. Well, Russia already have NATO next to their country - It's Poland and Baltic states. So, Ukraine wouldn't be different, but Ukraine becoming NATO members probably would hit Putin ambitions very hard because he don't consider Ukraine as independent country with their history.The war isn't going to stop anytime soon, unless Zelensky surrenders and meet Russia's demands, something which is currently highly unlikely. Putin will keep going till he gets what he wants, one way or another. And fact that big part of Ukraine people think and speak Russian doesn't makes them into Russians, you can ask some forum members about it. For example Kharkiv or Melitopol is cities where majority of people speak Russian, but nobody welcomed Russian troops with flowers there. Nobody don't want to have Russkiy Mir there. That's pretty sensible, who in the right mind would praise someone for bombing his city, killing civilians and destroying their properties in the process, even if Putin's claims about the living conditions there were correct. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Coyster on March 13, 2022, 08:35:39 PM Yes, we know that it will take years to achieve "peace" but that doesn't mean there is no possibility of making peace. And I think that Putin is not stupid to carry out a nuclear bombing on Ukrainian territory. Is Putin even predictable this days? Don't get me wrong, i am not saying Putin is going to do any of such in Ukraine, but it is much better to hope that things de-escalate pretty fast, so we do not ever have to get to stage or even contemplate such. Having said that, the international world can't do more than they are already doing, which is attempting to force Russia to stop through imposing sanctions, i am sorry they can't do anything more than that, or let me rephrase if they do anything more than that, it could be counterproductive, and rather than de-escalate issues, it will further escalate it, take for example Ukraine's plea to the West to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine's airspace which was rejected for obvious reasons, you can't just basically tell a nation not to fly over a particular airspace, you will have to implemet it, and HOW? By shooting down any aircraft that flies into that restricted airspace, if the international world do that, we can brace up for another world war, and that is why they won't. So to be honest, i do not see this conflict coming to an end soon, except if Ukraine surrenders, and watching the frequent messages from their president, there is absolutely no hint at that, what can the rest of the world do? Impose sanctions and threats to Russia and attempt to cripple their economy, thus far has it done much? Not really, the war is still going on, maybe cause Russia is also very important to the rest of the world and the sanctions is hurting both ways, in my opinion, this war will only end if the both parties involved in it (Russia and Ukraine) reach an agreement, a settlement or a resolution. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Ultegra134 on March 13, 2022, 09:58:38 PM Yes, we know that it will take years to achieve "peace" but that doesn't mean there is no possibility of making peace. And I think that Putin is not stupid to carry out a nuclear bombing on Ukrainian territory. Is Putin even predictable this days? Don't get me wrong, i am not saying Putin is going to do any of such in Ukraine, but it is much better to hope that things de-escalate pretty fast, so we do not ever have to get to stage or even contemplate such. Having said that, the international world can't do more than they are already doing, which is attempting to force Russia to stop through imposing sanctions, i am sorry they can't do anything more than that, or let me rephrase if they do anything more than that, it could be counterproductive, and rather than de-escalate issues, it will further escalate it, take for example Ukraine's plea to the West to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine's airspace which was rejected for obvious reasons, you can't just basically tell a nation not to fly over a particular airspace, you will have to implemet it, and HOW? By shooting down any aircraft that flies into that restricted airspace, if the international world do that, we can brace up for another world war, and that is why they won't. So to be honest, i do not see this conflict coming to an end soon, except if Ukraine surrenders, and watching the frequent messages from their president, there is absolutely no hint at that, what can the rest of the world do? Impose sanctions and threats to Russia and attempt to cripple their economy, thus far has it done much? Not really, the war is still going on, maybe cause Russia is also very important to the rest of the world and the sanctions is hurting both ways, in my opinion, this war will only end if the both parties involved in it (Russia and Ukraine) reach an agreement, a settlement or a resolution. [/quote The issue is that these sanctions aren't hurting Russia, they are one of the largest superpowers. NATO and the UN didn't do a thing, except escalate the situation and then proceed to step out, mentioning that they don't want to interfere. There are three ways this could possibly end, Ukraine surrenders, Russia attacks Kyiv and conquers Ukraine, or Russia/Putin gives up and forfeits the war, which is highly unlikely. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: LTU_btc on March 13, 2022, 10:57:07 PM Ukraine shares many similarities with Russia, as an ex-Soviet country, there are many Russian-speakers. I've read that the Ukrainian government was putting immense pressure on Russian-speakers, while they were being treated differently, not sure how accurate that is. From what I'm aware of, Putin was expecting to be praised as a savior in Donetsk and Luhansk, but instead, he met resistance. It's not very accurate. They made some laws to endorse using Ukrainian language because it was barely used even in media. But Russian speaking people aren't threated differently. For example, even during war mayor of Odessa or Kharkiv, Mykolaiv governor don't have problems to use Russian language. Or Zelensky, before becoming president, being popular comedian he always used Russian language in his performances. Or you can see experience from our Ukrainian folks:I think and speak Russian, but that doesn't stop me from feeling like a Ukrainian.~ Same here, brother. I live in Kyiv, and speak and think in Russian, and I've never had any problems with that. Even on Euromaidan no one ever asked me why I speak Russian. Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: tvbcof on March 14, 2022, 01:52:02 AM They probably will when all the Nazi's get the Jew-jab: https://www.bitchute.com/video/QEIBdaJ8blX9/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/QEIBdaJ8blX9/) Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: Blended@ on March 14, 2022, 03:58:19 PM It is believe that when two people fight the third person that Seperate them is the want to fine out what the problem is,so on this note NU coming and fine out what the problem is l believe they will know how to target the problem and look for the way out on the situation an also come up with a positive respond on put the peace between RUSSIA AND UKRAINE
Title: Re: Will Russia and Ukraine join hands...? Post by: af_newbie on March 14, 2022, 08:34:39 PM It is believe that when two people fight the third person that Seperate them is the want to fine out what the problem is,so on this note NU coming and fine out what the problem is l believe they will know how to target the problem and look for the way out on the situation an also come up with a positive respond on put the peace between RUSSIA AND UKRAINE There will always be distrust between Ukraine and Russia. What will result from all this is that the border with Russia will be a 1 km minefield buffer zone, no border crossings, no trade of any kind, probably no diplomatic relations once all this is done. Sort of like North Korea and South Korea. Fuck, I am not sure if we will have Russian embassies in the West once Putin takes this to the next level. |
