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Title: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: MoneyMaker90 on March 04, 2022, 04:33:07 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Maus0728 on March 04, 2022, 04:49:00 AM
Most of the gambling site offers an instant withdrawal if that's what you are looking for. However, it isn't possible to have an on-chain transaction without any confirmation as it will defeat the purpose of having a secured transaction that's happening on the blockchain.

Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5333602.0) - This is a rundown of casinos regarding their min. withrawal/ fees.

Did I answered your question?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Eureka_07 on March 04, 2022, 05:13:15 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
I think no casino would allow that. Given that bitcoin can be double spend, it is a risk to the casino that will instantly credit your bitcoin deposit. But we don't know, probably some casino out there is offering it, though I doubt it.
In most casino, your deposit need to have 1-3 confirmations before it will be credited to your casino wallet. I'm not sure with litecoin, but I guess it can also be double spent.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: acroman08 on March 04, 2022, 05:31:07 AM
I don't know any and I am fairly sure that you won't find a crypto casino like that(at least as far as I know). looking at the posts above. it seems that casinos would face risks if they allowed instant credit, I doubt any casino would want to take that risk.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: aioc on March 04, 2022, 07:49:01 AM
I don't know any and I am fairly sure that you won't find a crypto casino like that(at least as far as I know). looking at the posts above. it seems that casinos would face risks if they allowed instant credit, I doubt any casino would want to take that risk.

How would a casino know that you are intending to deposit or depositing if they will not rely on a blockchain, if you want a fast confirmation then use other coins, like Tron, or better increase your transaction fee but instant credit in Cryptocurrency based casino is something you will not find here yet, you can use an accelerator if there's congestion and you want it fast.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: sunsilk on March 04, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
IIRC, bitsler has that feature of having zero confirmation deposit but I don't know if they're still implementing that rule with their deposits.

That type of ruling is prone to double spending and that's why most casinos are requiring at least 1-3 confirmations before they credit the deposit of their players.

Maybe not for crypto transactions but fiat or credit card deposits. I'm not sure with that but that's possible.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on March 04, 2022, 08:31:15 AM
Try Owl.games I think they have instant Bitcoin Deposit but you should meet minimum transaction fee or else it will be credited after 1 confirmation. You can also use Bustabit they have there instant credit and however you need to pay small bits to credit it in your account and you cannot withdraw it without any confirmation from your last deposit.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: wildan88 on March 04, 2022, 08:44:15 AM
That type of ruling is prone to double spending and that's why most casinos are requiring at least 1-3 confirmations before they credit the deposit of their players.

That's true most of the gambling site wait for at least 1 confirmation before they can credit it to your account. May I ask why do you ask for a Bitcoin instant credit? I think waiting for 5 mins was not bad at all but just make sure that you paid an average transaction fee and not the lowest since it will take hours or maybe day to get 1 confirmation.

I think no gambling site has that feature since it can be used against them to exploit their website.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: swogerino on March 04, 2022, 08:45:49 AM
Almost all reputable gambling sites offer 0 confirmations for depositing Bitcoin as that mean you can start playing instantly but you have to wait for at least a few confirmations before withdrawing your money if it happens that you win big during this time.

I don't know if this the case as of now but that was the case before,I am not aware of any major change to such rule from reputable casinos.

Stake for example had this option for trusted players,the one with a history with them and not directly to any new created account,I believe the same rule is on place now but I am not sure about this.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: MonsterV on March 04, 2022, 10:08:20 AM
Did I answered your question?

I think he was not asking about the fee or minimum or maximum deposit or withdrawal. I think he is looking for a gambling site that if you deposit they don't need confirmation before it was credited to their account, which I think is none. All of them needs at least 1 confirmation since players or the person who deposits can cancel its transaction by double spending.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: joeperry on March 04, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
Almost all reputable gambling sites offer 0 confirmations for depositing Bitcoin as that mean you can start playing instantly but you have to wait for at least a few confirmations before withdrawing your money if it happens that you win big during this time.

I am not aware of this one, I think most of them offer 1 confirmation before the player can receive their credits. I think no one will going to accept instant credit because they can cancel it by using Replaced by Fee (RBF Protocol) and if they instant credit it the users then can play and probably win without initial deposit but maybe the casino or gambling site can have this but the user would not be allowed to withdraw until the deposit reach at least 1 confirmation.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: robelneo on March 04, 2022, 12:39:29 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?

I wish we have one but it's not possible we are in a decentralized environment right? where we have to wait for the confirmation on the blockchain for transparency so the casino can credit your account and avoid double-spent, you have to understand the concept of Cryptocurrency and blockchain to fully understand everything, what you're looking for is beyond the scope of Cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Distinctin on March 04, 2022, 01:12:28 PM
Try sportsbet, I'm not so sure anymore but before based on my experience, they credit your deposit even without confirmation.
Even nitrogensports have that kind of feature before, but they changed rules because maybe it was abused.

Just try on your own or maybe chat the support to confirm.



Actually, there's a risk that's why most sites have changes to at least 1 confirmation because some games are graded earlier before the confirmation in the blockchain, so it can be use as an advantage of the sender of a coin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Maslate on March 04, 2022, 01:30:36 PM
I guess no gambling site is allowing this anymore, because bitcoin transactions can be cancelled.

As we can read here : https://coincentral.com/cancel-unconfirmed-bitcoin-transaction/

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How to cancel an unconfirmed Bitcoin transaction
There are two primary strategies you can use to try to cancel your unconfirmed Bitcoin transaction:

Replace by Fee (RBF)
Double spend using a higher fee
Some wallets support the RBF protocol allowing you to replace your original transaction with a new one that includes a higher transaction fee. This would effectively unstick your transaction.

Read the link for the complete information.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: coin-investor on March 04, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
Try sportsbet, I'm not so sure anymore but before based on my experience, they credit your deposit even without confirmation.
Even nitrogensports have that kind of feature before, but they changed rules because maybe it was abused.

Just try on your own or maybe chat the support to confirm.



Actually, there's a risk that's why most sites have changes to at least 1 confirmation because some games are graded earlier before the confirmation in the blockchain, so it can be use as an advantage of the sender of a coin.

I'm not playing on Sportsbet but we have to confirm it to other players if they have this feature if they still do then you have one casino that instantly credit you without confirmation, but even if they do that they will still monitor you because there is a thing called double spent, they work on trusting their players, that is why they do this.
Not all casinos can do this because like what you posted it can be abused and to safeguard their system they have to do this, if you cannot wait, check other coins, Tron is fast and cheap, that is why it's my favorite.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: stepwilli on March 04, 2022, 02:51:55 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
I think that every crypto has its own confirmation but bitcoin confirmation time are much longer than other lighter coins, this makes this coin slow on deposit. If you want your deposit to appear faster, you can use ripple because in my opinion ripple is the fastest coin ever invented in terms of deposits or even withdrawal although some sites can control the withdrawal process and they can delay it depending on their terms/rules.

Are you sure that depositing time is only your concern? What about the type of games or if the casino doesn't require a KYC or not, and others because they are also important and it will be easy for users here to recommend a casino depending on your preference.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: pawanjain on March 04, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?

Most of the casinos require at least 1 confirmation before they could deposit BTC in the user's account.
Otherwise the user can simply trick the casino by broadcasting a transaction and then double spending it to some other address.
The user would have used the coins in the account to play some games. This is why most of the casinos require at least 1 confirmation.
Currently I am gambling on BC.GAME which requires 2 confirmations and freebitco.in which requires 1 confirmation.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: khaled0111 on March 05, 2022, 01:41:38 PM
There are few casinos that accept zero-confirmation deposits that I know of. Roobet, for example accepts zero-confirmation transactions. The last time I made a deposit, the balance got credited to my account the moment the transaction was broadcast (while still unconfirmed). Afaik, Owl.games support this feature too but didn't try it myself (maybe someone else will confirm this).

However, you should know that instant deposits come with few restrictions such as not being to withdraw till the deposit transaction get enough confirmations. Also, the transaction must meet some requirements to be eligible for instant deposit. For example, it must be non-rbf and it must be paying enough fee to guarantee fast confirmation. All these precautions were set to prevent the possibility of cheating by double spending.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Saisher on March 05, 2022, 02:01:51 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
There is one site recommended to you, Sportsbet but the majority of casinos are not accepting instant and no confirmation it should have at least one confirmation, like all the other's opinions it's risky because of double-spent I don't know why Sportsbet is allowing this, if you really want it fast Tron is the best choice, it's instant I only need to wait a minute and it's showing in my dashboard.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: rohang on March 05, 2022, 03:04:21 PM
1) sportsbet.io

2) bitcasino.io

3) roobet.com

those are the 3 i know of, might be more

All three are legit sites i have used without issues


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: romero121 on March 05, 2022, 03:29:26 PM
I personally experienced instant credit of bitcoin with Stake gambling site. Once the transaction is made, even before the confirmation of the transaction wallet gets reflected with the deposited amount. Another thing, myself have experienced playing with the deposited amount even before the confirmation of the transaction.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: khaled0111 on March 05, 2022, 03:29:44 PM
like all the other's opinions it's risky because of double-spent I don't know why Sportsbet is allowing this, if you really want it fast Tron is the best choice, it's instant I only need to wait a minute and it's showing in my dashboard.
If the instant deposits system is implemented correctly then there are really no risks and abusers won't be able to double spend or cancel unconfirmed transactions.
As I explained above, casinos enforce some requirements and impose some restrictions to prevent any losses because of abuse.
For example, replace by fee transactions usually won't trigger the instant deposit because they can be easily replaced. Also, requiring high fees ensure the transaction will be confirmed within the next few blocks. Most casinos that support this feature will not let withdraw while one of your deposit transactions is still unconfirmed.
Many gamblers prefer to use bitcoin which is known for its long confirmation time, this is why such feature is definitely a plus.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Ulven on March 05, 2022, 04:20:08 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.
Perhaps if there is a huge demand for this feature, casinos can support the Lightning Network while depositing.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: fiulpro on March 05, 2022, 05:14:58 PM
Hi !

Most of the Gambling websites that I used did not have such option since they were not Integrated with the lightning network but there are sites like:

Roobet.com : now they will let you choose the transaction fee which means you can pay higher fee and at the same time they also confirmed the balance after one confirmation

I use Blackjack.fun as well very frequently to withdraw funds and it might not be instant but at the same time it's faster than most transactions and the fee is not that high.

Beware of the sites asking for extreme fee for transactions as well and look for the ones which allow you to choose your transaction fee as well. Lighting network might not be an instant hit since normal transactions are more secure and safe.



Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Gozie51 on March 05, 2022, 05:27:26 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.

And I think some send email code to activate on the site. This is also good to be sure of confirmation of transaction. All of these is for security  I think this is being more conscious and protecting users rather than instant confirmation to avoid mistakes. Sending transaction confirmation immediately may be risky to users.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Accardo on March 05, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
I want to know how platforms that allow such feature that Op is asking for secure themselves from players that will cancel the transaction before it gets confirmed. However, I'm a big fan of fast transaction but, I've never experienced such in the Bitcoin network and it helped me to acknowledge patience knowing that the Casino will fund my account when they get the required confirmations.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: judeafante on March 05, 2022, 10:14:42 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.

And I think some send email code to activate on the site. This is also good to be sure of confirmation of transaction. All of these is for security  I think this is being more conscious and protecting users rather than instant confirmation to avoid mistakes. Sending transaction confirmation immediately may be risky to users.

Everything is all about security and smooth operation if a casino will implement instant and no confirmation it will be a subject of exploit and abuse some players will try to abuse this feature, at least one confirmation is sure to get everyone secured and players to be in good standing, hackers, and exploiters like to play on a casino that they can exploit, this feature will invite them.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Wexnident on March 05, 2022, 11:26:08 PM
Is this about confirmation on the blockchain? Cause I'm pretty sure that the wallet of casinos would always wait the confirmation in the transactions before crediting it to your account. It's not really a matter of "wanting to do it" or anything, it's just how crypto transactions work. The blockchain stands as the middle man for both sides so ofc both sides need to wait for it to confirm before the two sides are able to do anything else. At the very least, I'm pretty sure most would require at least one confirmation before creditting it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: sunsilk on March 05, 2022, 11:43:34 PM
That type of ruling is prone to double spending and that's why most casinos are requiring at least 1-3 confirmations before they credit the deposit of their players.

That's true most of the gambling site wait for at least 1 confirmation before they can credit it to your account. May I ask why do you ask for a Bitcoin instant credit? I think waiting for 5 mins was not bad at all but just make sure that you paid an average transaction fee and not the lowest since it will take hours or maybe day to get 1 confirmation.

I think no gambling site has that feature since it can be used against them to exploit their website.
There's that we like in instant confirmation and transactions.

If it's possible to apply that, they're going to have that deposits even with zero confirmation. There has been recommended gambling sites where he can try that.

And let him try it if he's liking that type of feature because it works good for him. But if the casino sees abuse with it, there's gonna be a change on that discourse.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: kaya11 on March 05, 2022, 11:59:30 PM
Almost all reputable gambling sites offer 0 confirmations for depositing Bitcoin as that mean you can start playing instantly but you have to wait for at least a few confirmations before withdrawing your money if it happens that you win big during this time.

I don't know if this the case as of now but that was the case before,I am not aware of any major change to such rule from reputable casinos.

Stake for example had this option for trusted players,the one with a history with them and not directly to any new created account,I believe the same rule is on place now but I am not sure about this.

I guess they are checking the account with big wins if they truly wins it legally or else they would investigate if it is somehow won by bugs and other mal functions of the system. Would it be fair to new users? It feels like discriminating them, not all trusted users are to be trusted, we know that because of we experience it first hand here.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: seoincorporation on March 06, 2022, 01:48:24 AM
There is a problem with the instant credit on bitcoin and other altcoins. Users can abuse this with a double spend, the users can do some fast bets and if they win they can wait for the confirmation, and if they lose, they can make a double spend for a new address.

And that's why most of the crypto services always ask for 1 or more confirmations before you can use your balance.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: STT on March 06, 2022, 02:42:07 AM
If it was an established account, a long term player then perhaps its more feasible but random unknown people new accounts especially who will try to win fast but flee if they lose is a path some will try if they can possibly get away with it.   I can see why people want the convenience factor to instant deposit, its a challenging question.   Gambling is fast money and BTC is a little too much of the tortoise vs the hare on this, I know many who dont want to switch to faster currencies especially the large amounts.   I used to buy bits of gold with zero confirm, I was literally given a bill of sale with my market price but also I had no way to withdraw instantly and it would have got me in alot of trouble if my deposit was bad as I was a known customer so thats probably the biggest difference here.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 06, 2022, 05:39:32 AM
So far, I'm not concerned about how fast the deposit goes to our gambling account because I know it's always related to the network. But Bitcasino.io is a gambling site that provides credit even though the network has not confirmed your transaction. Usually, if I want to gamble, I will deposit some money into the gambling site and leave a few minutes to do something else and when I come back, the money is already in my account. I am not in a hurry to play gambling because I just want to enjoy playing some gambling games. Maybe besides Bitcasino.io, @OP can try at sportsbet.io or Livecasino.io.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: ralle14 on March 06, 2022, 05:58:10 AM
If the instant deposits system is implemented correctly then there are really no risks and abusers won't be able to double spend or cancel unconfirmed transactions.
As I explained above, casinos enforce some requirements and impose some restrictions to prevent any losses because of abuse.
For example, replace by fee transactions usually won't trigger the instant deposit because they can be easily replaced. Also, requiring high fees ensure the transaction will be confirmed within the next few blocks. Most casinos that support this feature will not let withdraw while one of your deposit transactions is still unconfirmed.
Many gamblers prefer to use bitcoin which is known for its long confirmation time, this is why such feature is definitely a plus.
I agree, on Sportsbet whenever you try to RBF your deposit, the updated balance stays the same but at the same time your account will get locked from betting as a way to prevent the issue if it does happen.

It's a bit inconvenient on the withdrawal side of things but it comes in handy when you want to place a sports bet that's starting within a couple of minutes. It would be a nice alternative if they recommend a certain fee (for example 10sat/b) for instant deposits.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: South Park on March 06, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
I think no casino would allow that. Given that bitcoin can be double spend, it is a risk to the casino that will instantly credit your bitcoin deposit. But we don't know, probably some casino out there is offering it, though I doubt it.
In most casino, your deposit need to have 1-3 confirmations before it will be credited to your casino wallet. I'm not sure with litecoin, but I guess it can also be double spent.
At least in my experience there is no casino that offers something like that, and the reasons are very obvious, the risk of double spend is high and if they offered something like this then someone could make a quick deposit and gamble really quickly in one of their games, and if they happen to lose then they will double spend their coins and avoid losing money this way, basically they could do this indefinitely and beat the casino that way, so with this in mind I doubt there are many casinos, if any, that offer something like this


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Oilacris on March 06, 2022, 09:20:36 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.
Perhaps if there is a huge demand for this feature, casinos can support the Lightning Network while depositing.
Exactly!

This is the main reason on why they dont really offer that instant credit on account balances once someone do make out some deposit due to that double-spending issue.
Its been done on the past about instant deposits but later on people do know on whats the possible thing that they could get their funds back and able to play on the
site since you could actually done this stuff.Nowadays most platforms do mostly require specific confirmation before they would credit out.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: sovie on March 06, 2022, 10:12:35 PM
Most casinos accept deposits after 1 confirmation. As explained, the idea is to avoid double-spending scam. The only solution to speed up the deposit is to simply increase the transaction fee. When it comes to withdrawals, it can be in various ways. It is best to choose casinos that have automatic withdrawals as this is usually very fast. Avoid manual withdrawals casinos, as the waiting time can be even up to several days.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: freedomgo on March 07, 2022, 10:52:55 AM
Most casinos accept deposits after 1 confirmation. As explained, the idea is to avoid double-spending scam. The only solution to speed up the deposit is to simply increase the transaction fee. When it comes to withdrawals, it can be in various ways. It is best to choose casinos that have automatic withdrawals as this is usually very fast. Avoid manual withdrawals casinos, as the waiting time can be even up to several days.
Most of the casinos now have install withdrawal as long as you don't exceed the maximum, and some do not even charge a transaction fee which is a good feature of a site that gamblers would fall in love with. Before the no confirmation deposit exist, but now that casinos learned their lessons, it's not anymore practice.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: qwertyup23 on March 07, 2022, 02:48:21 PM
Most of the gambling site offers an instant withdrawal if that's what you are looking for. However, it isn't possible to have an on-chain transaction without any confirmation as it will defeat the purpose of having a secured transaction that's happening on the blockchain.

Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5333602.0) - This is a rundown of casinos regarding their min. withrawal/ fees.

Did I answered your question?

This pretty sums-up everything that you need to ask about confirmations and instant withdrawals.

If you do not understand the mechanism, there is a POW (proof-of-work) present in the blockchain which checks all the blocks if the correct address has been sent. That is where the miners fee comes from- they check these blocks to have a impenetrable defense which invalidates all possible hacks or scams in the transaction. While there may be gambling websites that offer instant withdrawals, you still have to wait a relatively small amount of time in order to receive your funds.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: RapTarX on March 07, 2022, 03:26:32 PM
I can't remember any site or service to credit a transaction without any confirmation. Most casinos probably ask for at least 1 confirmation before crediting the balance on your account. I guess you won't get so many casinos with such requirement as this is somewhat risky as transaction can be spent twice from the same input.
Nevertheless, if you are looking for faster deposit, why don't you give Lighting Network a try? I guess that would be the best fit for you as both deposit & transaction would be almost instant. Don't know if any of the forum member have a list of gambling sites allowing Lighting Network; I will check and create one soon.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: delfastTions on March 07, 2022, 06:25:35 PM
I can't remember any site or service to credit a transaction without any confirmation. Most casinos probably ask for at least 1 confirmation before crediting the balance on your account. I guess you won't get so many casinos with such requirement as this is somewhat risky as transaction can be spent twice from the same input.
Nevertheless, if you are looking for faster deposit, why don't you give Lighting Network a try? I guess that would be the best fit for you as both deposit & transaction would be almost instant. Don't know if any of the forum member have a list of gambling sites allowing Lighting Network; I will check and create one soon.
Everyone will be grateful to you.  Indeed, after the legalization of bitcoin in El Salvador in September 2021, the lighting network began to develop quite rapidly due to the Chivo state wallet. 
This is a very promising payment option with a minimum commission and it is fast. 
If you make such a table, everyone in BTT will know where to use LN and probably will use it. 
But you need to understand well which gambling sites are safe and possible. 
This is a rather difficult task.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Finestream on March 08, 2022, 04:04:35 PM
I can't remember any site or service to credit a transaction without any confirmation. Most casinos probably ask for at least 1 confirmation before crediting the balance on your account. I guess you won't get so many casinos with such requirement as this is somewhat risky as transaction can be spent twice from the same input.
Nevertheless, if you are looking for faster deposit, why don't you give Lighting Network a try? I guess that would be the best fit for you as both deposit & transaction would be almost instant. Don't know if any of the forum member have a list of gambling sites allowing Lighting Network; I will check and create one soon.
Everyone will be grateful to you.  Indeed, after the legalization of bitcoin in El Salvador in September 2021, the lighting network began to develop quite rapidly due to the Chivo state wallet. 
This is a very promising payment option with a minimum commission and it is fast. 
If you make such a table, everyone in BTT will know where to use LN and probably will use it. 


If gambling sites will support LN then we will see a big improvement.
We will feel the instant deposit and we don't need to pay a high transaction fee just to get our transaction confirmed quickly like when the network is congested.

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But you need to understand well which gambling sites are safe and possible. 
This is a rather difficult task.

For me this is easy, what's the use of being a member in this forum if we will not make our DYOR on the gambling sites listing their ANN thread here?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: RapTarX on March 08, 2022, 04:06:27 PM
If you make such a table, everyone in BTT will know where to use LN and probably will use it. 
But you need to understand well which gambling sites are safe and possible. 
This is a rather difficult task.
I have started collecting the gambling sites already; of course, I'm not going to add any scam sites there.
For your info, I have one thread on the list of services accepting Lightning Network payments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222617.0). I'm considering including gambling sites in that thread as well but not sure yet whether I will create a new one or not. Thank you for your pieces of advice.

For me this is easy, what's the use of being a member in this forum if we will not make our DYOR on the gambling sites listing their ANN thread here?
Well, it's everyone's res[pnsibility to DYOR but as a thread starter, I have some responsibilities as well.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: nakamura12 on March 08, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Bitsler offers this kind of feature before and the time varies depends on the account trust score. Trust score is calculated based on its gambling activity on the Casino. I don't know if they still have this feature but I believe there's other Casino offers this because they can always set a security measure temporarily freeze the withdraw function as long as there's a pending transaction incoming on there casino wallet address.
It may be possible that the site coule have instant credit but I think that the credit will not be from the transaction that a gambler did instead it is from their bankroll to be credited to your account while they are waiting for the transaction that the gambler made to be confirmed and that amount will go to their bankroll. What I was talking about is that crediting the account of a gambler on their site is not on chain but for withdrawal it is processed on chain.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: ralle14 on March 09, 2022, 01:16:09 AM
It may be possible that the site coule have instant credit but I think that the credit will not be from the transaction that a gambler did instead it is from their bankroll to be credited to your account while they are waiting for the transaction that the gambler made to be confirmed and that amount will go to their bankroll. What I was talking about is that crediting the account of a gambler on their site is not on chain but for withdrawal it is processed on chain.
That explanation made it sound unnecessary\ like how it's similar to borrowing money when they don't have to given that the casino could just lessen the requirements for deposits. Anyway, I think the on-site balance isn't really a bankroll since there's really no risk for casinos to lose until the coins get processed on-chain.

Bitsler offers this kind of feature before and the time varies depends on the account trust score. Trust score is calculated based on its gambling activity on the Casino.
That feature sounds great hopefully other casinos integrate it in another way like how it's only for users that reached a certain level or VIP.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: traderethereum on March 09, 2022, 03:53:04 AM
Bitsler offers this kind of feature before and the time varies depends on the account trust score. Trust score is calculated based on its gambling activity on the Casino. I don't know if they still have this feature but I believe there's other Casino offers this because they can always set a security measure temporarily freeze the withdraw function as long as there's a pending transaction incoming on there casino wallet address.
It may be possible that the site coule have instant credit but I think that the credit will not be from the transaction that a gambler did instead it is from their bankroll to be credited to your account while they are waiting for the transaction that the gambler made to be confirmed and that amount will go to their bankroll. What I was talking about is that crediting the account of a gambler on their site is not on chain but for withdrawal it is processed on chain.
If instant credit can provide convenience for users to gamble right away without having to wait for long confirmations, the casino will not lose it.
Although not many casinos have instant credit, in the end, the deposit that we make will go into our account and we can use it whenever we want.
But I think it makes sense for the casino to lend us the money first because our deposit hasn't been confirmed from the network and maybe it's one way to provide convenience to users.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: South Park on March 14, 2022, 08:03:49 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.
Perhaps if there is a huge demand for this feature, casinos can support the Lightning Network while depositing.
Exactly!

This is the main reason on why they dont really offer that instant credit on account balances once someone do make out some deposit due to that double-spending issue.
Its been done on the past about instant deposits but later on people do know on whats the possible thing that they could get their funds back and able to play on the
site since you could actually done this stuff.Nowadays most platforms do mostly require specific confirmation before they would credit out.
We all know that depending on how busy the network is at the time it can take  along time to get a confirmation, so I kind of get why people would like something like this, but this is the wrong way to go about this, asking the casino to instantly credit a transaction that appeared on the mempool before it has being confirmed is asking too much out of them, especially when we have the lightning network which can do something similar but without the same associated risks that doing something like this will entail for them.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Fatunad on March 14, 2022, 08:19:13 PM
I guess the reason why most gambling sites don't add instant confirmation is to avoid double spending!! But there are casinos that support this feature with at least 1 confirmation such as sportsbet.
Perhaps if there is a huge demand for this feature, casinos can support the Lightning Network while depositing.
Exactly!

This is the main reason on why they dont really offer that instant credit on account balances once someone do make out some deposit due to that double-spending issue.
Its been done on the past about instant deposits but later on people do know on whats the possible thing that they could get their funds back and able to play on the
site since you could actually done this stuff.Nowadays most platforms do mostly require specific confirmation before they would credit out.
We all know that depending on how busy the network is at the time it can take  along time to get a confirmation, so I kind of get why people would like something like this, but this is the wrong way to go about this, asking the casino to instantly credit a transaction that appeared on the mempool before it has being confirmed is asking too much out of them, especially when we have the lightning network which can do something similar but without the same associated risks that doing something like this will entail for them.
Instant credit on balances is something that casinos wouldnt really tend to apply on because of possible double spending which it wouldnt really be good for the business thats why having at least 1 confirmation would do.
Confirmation time would really just be depending  on the network and casinos doesnt have control of it which i dont know on why some people or gamblers do really took the blame out of these situations.
In the past there were casinos  which does have instant deposit but due to those known issues then its normal that they would really be having that action.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: South Park on March 22, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
We all know that depending on how busy the network is at the time it can take  along time to get a confirmation, so I kind of get why people would like something like this, but this is the wrong way to go about this, asking the casino to instantly credit a transaction that appeared on the mempool before it has being confirmed is asking too much out of them, especially when we have the lightning network which can do something similar but without the same associated risks that doing something like this will entail for them.
Instant credit on balances is something that casinos wouldnt really tend to apply on because of possible double spending which it wouldnt really be good for the business thats why having at least 1 confirmation would do.
Confirmation time would really just be depending  on the network and casinos doesnt have control of it which i dont know on why some people or gamblers do really took the blame out of these situations.
In the past there were casinos  which does have instant deposit but due to those known issues then its normal that they would really be having that action.
Besides this is a complete non-issue, after all if you know that you want to gamble why not send a transaction before you go to sleep to the casino? That way when you wake up the transaction will have a lot of confirmations and you will be able to gamble freely the next day without any true delay as you would have done this before you went to sleep, so the only ones that would need something like this are those that are gambling impulsively and that lose their balance and want to gamble immediately after they send their transaction, something which is a very bad idea.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: bitbollo on March 22, 2022, 09:11:39 PM
I can't remember any site or service to credit a transaction without any confirmation.
...

In the past there has been Directbet.eu which accepted bets without confirmation and without creating an account!
probably this way of managing the bets was not only an example of great success but also highlighted a major vulnerability of the site  for malicious users


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: magneto on March 23, 2022, 08:19:49 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?

As far as I know, Sportsbet is offering it?

I know that in the past, Bitsler used to offer this and I loved it. However, I'm fairly sure that they moved to 1-conf.

Bitcoinvideocasino and Bitcoin.com games also used to offer this feature, but again, they don't anymore after RBF became more mainstream.

You could also try BitCasino but I haven't played with them before.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 23, 2022, 04:43:33 PM
Bitsler offers this kind of feature before and the time varies depends on the account trust score. Trust score is calculated based on its gambling activity on the Casino. I don't know if they still have this feature but I believe there's other Casino offers this because they can always set a security measure temporarily freeze the withdraw function as long as there's a pending transaction incoming on there casino wallet address.
It may be possible that the site coule have instant credit but I think that the credit will not be from the transaction that a gambler did instead it is from their bankroll to be credited to your account while they are waiting for the transaction that the gambler made to be confirmed and that amount will go to their bankroll. What I was talking about is that crediting the account of a gambler on their site is not on chain but for withdrawal it is processed on chain.
If instant credit can provide convenience for users to gamble right away without having to wait for long confirmations, the casino will not lose it.
Although not many casinos have instant credit, in the end, the deposit that we make will go into our account and we can use it whenever we want.
But I think it makes sense for the casino to lend us the money first because our deposit hasn't been confirmed from the network and maybe it's one way to provide convenience to users.

Well, it is important to note that every casino that has instant credit gets many players out of trouble when their money runs out, but it is usually a double-edged sword when they get carried away by emotion and it is abused, I understand perfectly why what casinos take into account the confidence points of each player, and if each player is active and has the ability to pay.

Instant credits sometimes if they are made through fiat money accounts I don't know how fast they are on the network, but I think that if that option is taken it could speed it up through other means, such as USDT so that the waiting time does not be a lot.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: nakamura12 on March 23, 2022, 04:57:57 PM
Well, it is important to note that every casino that has instant credit gets many players out of trouble when their money runs out, but it is usually a double-edged sword when they get carried away by emotion and it is abused, I understand perfectly why what casinos take into account the confidence points of each player, and if each player is active and has the ability to pay.

Instant credits sometimes if they are made through fiat money accounts I don't know how fast they are on the network, but I think that if that option is taken it could speed it up through other means, such as USDT so that the waiting time does not be a lot.

This is why I said that this could speed up the process. If there is a problem with it then I think a casino would have to put a strict rule or a system where those who deposit and they instantly get credited while waiting for the process then they won't be able to withdraw their funds even after they made a bet as long as the process of the deposit of fiat is not yet fully process which in my opinion could help the casino prevent a gambler getting their funds if ever a deposit of fiat to casino using bank for example didn't went through then that means the amount credited to the gambler's account is still owned by the casino until the deposit went through.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: stepwilli on March 23, 2022, 10:18:52 PM
Besides this is a complete non-issue, after all if you know that you want to gamble why not send a transaction before you go to sleep to the casino? That way when you wake up the transaction will have a lot of confirmations and you will be able to gamble freely the next day without any true delay as you would have done this before you went to sleep, so the only ones that would need something like this are those that are gambling impulsively and that lose their balance and want to gamble immediately after they send their transaction, something which is a very bad idea.
I think I have tried this before, it was a bch coin that I used because there are no other options and I already know that BCH transactions are super slow. I didn't know if there are other coins besides BCH that are slow to process? BCH isn't that even popular so I don't think it will experience a congestion.

A delay can be a good thing because it discourage gamblers to deposit and lose more. It makes them practice a responsible gambling but for someone that is highly addictive, they will try to look for alternatives just to gamble in a quicker way. Dunno if one of it is the OP or it's also possible that the OP has a different objective.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: milewilda on March 23, 2022, 10:32:17 PM
Besides this is a complete non-issue, after all if you know that you want to gamble why not send a transaction before you go to sleep to the casino? That way when you wake up the transaction will have a lot of confirmations and you will be able to gamble freely the next day without any true delay as you would have done this before you went to sleep, so the only ones that would need something like this are those that are gambling impulsively and that lose their balance and want to gamble immediately after they send their transaction, something which is a very bad idea.
I think I have tried this before, it was a bch coin that I used because there are no other options and I already know that BCH transactions are super slow. I didn't know if there are other coins besides BCH that are slow to process? BCH isn't that even popular so I don't think it will experience a congestion.

A delay can be a good thing because it discourage gamblers to deposit and lose more. It makes them practice a responsible gambling but for someone that is highly addictive, they will try to look for alternatives just to gamble in a quicker way. Dunno if one of it is the OP or it's also possible that the OP has a different objective.
Addiction and impulsive kind of behavior is a different matter so lets not attach to it on how fast deposits do really affect that one and speaking with BCH confirmation then it is way too slow
based up on experience thats why its not surprising that several casinos just do include this as their payment coins and the rest is really just choosing LTC or DASH based on observation.
Instant credit is not possible or can be seen nowadays because of double spending issues thats why casinos had made out at least 1 confirmation before it do credits.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: DoublerHunter on March 23, 2022, 10:40:17 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
^ Probably right after 3 confirmations of the transaction which is a standard process and safe both.
Gambling casinos may be at risk if the will have fast credit, it could be BTC can be double-spend so that the transaction will not credited, so if the casino allows betting even though the transactions are not confirmed. That is their risk.
However, instant credit will not matter to me, the most important is how gambling casino is being responsible and reputable.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Hamphser on March 23, 2022, 10:44:08 PM
Here's how double-spend works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXnE4MYOAaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQdaZZBw3X8

It would really be just normal for a business to play safe because it would be a total loss if someone double spends
and potentially able to make some hits out of those fake deposits.  8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: South Park on March 30, 2022, 07:25:55 PM
Besides this is a complete non-issue, after all if you know that you want to gamble why not send a transaction before you go to sleep to the casino? That way when you wake up the transaction will have a lot of confirmations and you will be able to gamble freely the next day without any true delay as you would have done this before you went to sleep, so the only ones that would need something like this are those that are gambling impulsively and that lose their balance and want to gamble immediately after they send their transaction, something which is a very bad idea.
I think I have tried this before, it was a bch coin that I used because there are no other options and I already know that BCH transactions are super slow. I didn't know if there are other coins besides BCH that are slow to process? BCH isn't that even popular so I don't think it will experience a congestion.

A delay can be a good thing because it discourage gamblers to deposit and lose more. It makes them practice a responsible gambling but for someone that is highly addictive, they will try to look for alternatives just to gamble in a quicker way. Dunno if one of it is the OP or it's also possible that the OP has a different objective.
Also if someone one wants to send their transaction and play as soon as possible maybe they could begin to gamble with coins that have a fast confirmation time like dogecoin, dogecoin despite its meme status has some usefulness beyond being a pump and dump coin, dogecoin can offer really fast confirmations, so anyone that is too impatient to wait for a bitcoin confirmation could move to dogecoin and cut down the time they have to wait significantly and make their wait more bearable.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Fortify on March 30, 2022, 07:30:14 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?

It sounds like you're attempting to try to beat casinos by double spending, either that or you're a prolific gambler who would probably be wise to take the maybe 30 minutes it takes for a blockchain transaction to settle. There may be the odd casino that accepts it, but at the first sign of shenanigans they'll cut your funds off and hold on to them. No trick will work long term to beat the casinos in this way, it might have been possible over ten years ago with newer places but all of these basic steps are safe guarded against now. Anyway, lets hope it was a legitimate question, but if so - you should probably go easy on your spending because it's very easy to lose control and waste a lot of money.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: noormcs5 on March 30, 2022, 08:14:03 PM
1) sportsbet.io

2) bitcasino.io

3) roobet.com

those are the 3 i know of, might be more

All three are legit sites i have used without issues

Are you sure that these sites offer bitcoin deposits without confirmation?

These three sites and all other gambling sites will never allow you to deposit any money with confirmation. In fact no centralized site will offer this. This is to prevent the abuse , double spending and other ways to exploit the system.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: adzino on March 30, 2022, 08:21:13 PM
I don't think any casino would want to do an instant deposit without network confirmation. That would be too risky and gamblers would abuse it. They will require at least 1 network confirmation.
Imagine a casino offering instant deposit without network confirmation. Users would send bitcoin, do a quick bet, if they lose, they would try to double spend. The casino would be losing a lot. Not worth the risk for the casino.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: wildan88 on March 30, 2022, 08:23:19 PM
I don't think any casino would want to do an instant deposit without network confirmation. That would be too risky and gamblers would abuse it. They will require at least 1 network confirmation.
Imagine a casino offering instant deposit without network confirmation. Users would send bitcoin, do a quick bet, if they lose, they would try to double spend. The casino would be losing a lot. Not worth the risk for the casino.

In the past, there have been a number of sites that processed a transaction as soon as you made a deposit. But because of the double spend, there has been too much fraud, and administratively this is too difficult for a site to keep track of. Sites have the best intentions so that players see their deposit credited as soon as possible, but they still use at least 1 confirmation from the network. It doesn't take that long these days, at most 20 minutes. But often a few minutes, provided there is enough fee.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2022, 09:24:19 PM
I don't think any casino would want to do an instant deposit without network confirmation. That would be too risky and gamblers would abuse it. They will require at least 1 network confirmation.
Imagine a casino offering instant deposit without network confirmation. Users would send bitcoin, do a quick bet, if they lose, they would try to double spend. The casino would be losing a lot. Not worth the risk for the casino.
^ Definitely right and even 1 confirmation is still risky on their side and that is not safe, it should always be 3 confirmations which are the chances of double-spending transactions becoming less. No one would want an instant deposit, you can probably exploit the network and did not safe for the gambling casino. The transaction won't take so long and I think there is no need to hurry the transaction, it could be 30 minutes to 1 hour more or less, so in that long, it is fair enough.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: stomachgrowls on March 30, 2022, 09:30:05 PM
I don't think any casino would want to do an instant deposit without network confirmation. That would be too risky and gamblers would abuse it. They will require at least 1 network confirmation.
Imagine a casino offering instant deposit without network confirmation. Users would send bitcoin, do a quick bet, if they lose, they would try to double spend. The casino would be losing a lot. Not worth the risk for the casino.
^ Definitely right and even 1 confirmation is still risky on their side and that is not safe, it should always be 3 confirmations which are the chances of double-spending transactions becoming less. No one would want an instant deposit, you can probably exploit the network and did not safe for the gambling casino. The transaction won't take so long and I think there is no need to hurry the transaction, it could be 30 minutes to 1 hour more or less, so in that long, it is fair enough.
Getting 3 confirmation would be not that too long it is really just there are people who are really that impatient when playing gambling on where they do really like on having instant deposit.Its true that

risk of double spend is there when they do tend to accept instant deposits and all of business owners are aware of that which it isnt surprising that you could not even see a single casino whom
do deal with this set-up.They do know the risk and its normal for a business on patching up those holes for protecting their business which i  could say to be a normal kind of action.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: khaled0111 on March 30, 2022, 11:58:28 PM
Are you sure that these sites offer bitcoin deposits without confirmation?

These three sites and all other gambling sites will never allow you to deposit any money with confirmation. In fact no centralized site will offer this. This is to prevent the abuse , double spending and other ways to exploit the system.
Didn't check all of them but at least Roobet do support instant bitcoin deposits, but for other cryptocurrencies (eth and ltc) three confirmations are required. From their deposit page:
Send any amount of BTC to the following address. In the case of a non-instant deposit, 1 confirmation is required.
edit: I made a bitcoin deposit on livecasino.io and I can confirm that they accept zero-confirmation transactions. The amount I sent appeared on my account balance although the transaction was still unconfirmed. Withdrawing require the deposit transaction to have three confirmations, though.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Coin_trader on March 31, 2022, 04:15:43 AM
Are you sure that these sites offer bitcoin deposits without confirmation?

These three sites and all other gambling sites will never allow you to deposit any money with confirmation. In fact no centralized site will offer this. This is to prevent the abuse , double spending and other ways to exploit the system.
Didn't check all of them but at least Roobet do support instant bitcoin deposits, but for other cryptocurrencies (eth and ltc) three confirmations are required. From their deposit page:
Send any amount of BTC to the following address. In the case of a non-instant deposit, 1 confirmation is required.


I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit and some other Casino usually credit the balance even if the transaction is unconfirmed since they can freeze the account or disable the withdrawal of the account with unconfirmed deposit to counter double spending. Double spending is not a problem any on Centralized business like exchange and casino because they have security defense to counter this kind of fraudulent activity.

Afaik, Double spending is quite rare or non existing issue anymore on Bitcoin network. Maybe on other cryptocurrency blockchain.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Maslate on March 31, 2022, 05:25:44 AM
I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit


I have been using the site and it's not the same as my experience. Even on XRP deposits, they still require confirmation before they will credit the amount. I guess, due to the risk of double-spending on bitcoin, no sites anymore that credit their unconfirmed deposits.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Reatim on March 31, 2022, 05:58:28 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
Sorry but have you tried registering in casino site in crypto that has no instant deposit? i know that withdrawals sometimes has Issue but deposit? what i have experience is at least few minutes delay but majority has an instant deposit crediting and I see no reason why some sites will need to keep hold the deposit when this is literally what they are looking for faster gaming and possible losing and will deposit again right? this is gambling business cycling .


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: rodskee on March 31, 2022, 06:23:39 AM
I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit


I have been using the site and it's not the same as my experience. Even on XRP deposits, they still require confirmation before they will credit the amount. I guess, due to the risk of double-spending on bitcoin, no sites anymore that credit their unconfirmed deposits.
indeed  I am also a Bistler user and i never experience auto/instant crediting instead there is a need for confirmation before this take place and also correct that since there are issues of double spending in the past(and also until now) the casino sites update their depositing and no instant deposit is occupying now.
yeah in the past there are some site that has this feature but nowadays? though i still believe there are few but not on the site that I am playing.

Afaik, Double spending is quite rare or non existing issue anymore on Bitcoin network. Maybe on other cryptocurrency blockchain.

though this has been prevented nowadays yet casino try to hinder this from happening by simply setting confirmation first in their deposit .


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Chato1977 on March 31, 2022, 07:18:01 AM


I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit and some other Casino usually credit the balance even if the transaction is unconfirmed since they can freeze the account or disable the withdrawal of the account with unconfirmed deposit to counter double spending. Double spending is not a problem any on Centralized business like exchange and casino because they have security defense to counter this kind of fraudulent activity.

Afaik, Double spending is quite rare or non existing issue anymore on Bitcoin network. Maybe on other cryptocurrency blockchain.

exactly , this is why i believe that there are still many casino in crypto that gives this kind of crediting instantly instead of waiting for confirmation as they can easily Hinder the withdrawal if there is something happens unexpected or some abuse from the other side.
and indeed that there is no double spending now that happens if we are talking about bitcoin network.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: swogerino on March 31, 2022, 07:22:09 AM


I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit and some other Casino usually credit the balance even if the transaction is unconfirmed since they can freeze the account or disable the withdrawal of the account with unconfirmed deposit to counter double spending. Double spending is not a problem any on Centralized business like exchange and casino because they have security defense to counter this kind of fraudulent activity.

Afaik, Double spending is quite rare or non existing issue anymore on Bitcoin network. Maybe on other cryptocurrency blockchain.

exactly , this is why i believe that there are still many casino in crypto that gives this kind of crediting instantly instead of waiting for confirmation as they can easily Hinder the withdrawal if there is something happens unexpected or some abuse from the other side.
and indeed that there is no double spending now that happens if we are talking about bitcoin network.

This can be easily reinforced if the user and casino accept Litecoin which most of the reputable ones do accept it.The confirmations of Litecoin are much faster and the risk of double spending is almost nonexistent here as even if the players loses money fast and want to use some kind of "cheating like trying the well known attacks when we have 0 confirmations" with Litecoin you already should have a few confirmations much faster compared to Bitcoin.

This is something that can be implemented for the casinos which don't have it as an option,to just allow Litecoin instant credit as a beginning.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: zidanw on March 31, 2022, 09:00:40 AM
I don't think there is a gambling site that has  Bitcoin instant credit since it is prone to exploitation especially if your wallet has a replaced by fee feature like Electrum wallet. Most of them needs 1 confirmation which is around 5-10 minutes for higher fee.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: btc78 on March 31, 2022, 09:13:35 AM
I don't think there is a gambling site that has  Bitcoin instant credit since it is prone to exploitation especially if your wallet has a replaced by fee feature like Electrum wallet. Most of them needs 1 confirmation which is around 5-10 minutes for higher fee.
I think i will agree in this one , because for years that i have been playing in most of the legit and trusted gambling site that advertising here in forum? i never encounter  one that has instant credit .

but I am not caring anything as I am sure my sites are bringing me assurance of which i can take my funds out after winning or depositing .


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: ipanks on March 31, 2022, 09:43:51 AM
I have not thought about whether it will be credited instantly or take a while to be added to my account because I am not in a hurry to play gambling or participate in an event on a gambling site. The gambling site will also immediately add the balance to each member's account as soon as possible after getting confirmation. Maybe to overcome this, we can add balance before an event or competition so we won't be in a hurry or worry about being late to participate in the event.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: FatFork on March 31, 2022, 10:04:34 AM
exactly , this is why i believe that there are still many casino in crypto that gives this kind of crediting instantly instead of waiting for confirmation ...

Are you sure about that? Maybe you can name a few?

Just like btc78 said, I've gambled at many reputable casinos from this forum, but I've never encountered a casino that offered instant credit for bitcoin deposits. Most casinos I have experience with require at least one confirmation.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Maslate on March 31, 2022, 12:01:07 PM
I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit


I have been using the site and it's not the same as my experience. Even on XRP deposits, they still require confirmation before they will credit the amount. I guess, due to the risk of double-spending on bitcoin, no sites anymore that credit their unconfirmed deposits.
indeed  I am also a Bistler user and i never experience auto/instant crediting instead there is a need for confirmation before this take place and also correct that since there are issues of double spending in the past(and also until now) the casino sites update their depositing and no instant deposit is occupying now.
yeah in the past there are some site that has this feature but nowadays? though i still believe there are few but not on the site that I am playing.

Also, keep in mind that Bitsler now could ask a KYC of your account, and if you won't be able to comply that, they will freeze your account and you'll only be able to access the funds until you fully comply with the requirement.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: dimonstration on March 31, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit


I have been using the site and it's not the same as my experience. Even on XRP deposits, they still require confirmation before they will credit the amount. I guess, due to the risk of double-spending on bitcoin, no sites anymore that credit their unconfirmed deposits.
indeed  I am also a Bistler user and i never experience auto/instant crediting instead there is a need for confirmation before this take place and also correct that since there are issues of double spending in the past(and also until now) the casino sites update their depositing and no instant deposit is occupying now.
yeah in the past there are some site that has this feature but nowadays? though i still believe there are few but not on the site that I am playing.

Also, keep in mind that Bitsler now could ask a KYC of your account, and if you won't be able to comply that, they will freeze your account and you'll only be able to access the funds until you fully comply with the requirement.

All or most of the Casino that has license could ask KYC to there customers if its needed but not necessary they will require you to undergo KYC right from the start or if you are gambling regularly base on there ToS and the thread made by one of our forum member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.0. Let's not focus on Bitsler negative side since the majority of the Casino has there own flaws while the KYC part is applicable to all.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: magneto on April 01, 2022, 11:49:24 PM
I knew Bitsler offer non confirmation instant deposit


I have been using the site and it's not the same as my experience. Even on XRP deposits, they still require confirmation before they will credit the amount. I guess, due to the risk of double-spending on bitcoin, no sites anymore that credit their unconfirmed deposits.
indeed  I am also a Bistler user and i never experience auto/instant crediting instead there is a need for confirmation before this take place and also correct that since there are issues of double spending in the past(and also until now) the casino sites update their depositing and no instant deposit is occupying now.
yeah in the past there are some site that has this feature but nowadays? though i still believe there are few but not on the site that I am playing.

Afaik, Double spending is quite rare or non existing issue anymore on Bitcoin network. Maybe on other cryptocurrency blockchain.

though this has been prevented nowadays yet casino try to hinder this from happening by simply setting confirmation first in their deposit .

I wouldn't say that it is rare.

It's just that casinos are more prepared to deal with this issue now so that people don't do it as often.

A lot of casinos used to offer instant, zero confirmations crediting before RBF was popular but afterwards pretty much everyone dropped out. I was around when Bitsler still offered this functionality, but obviously it's not wise to offer nowadays.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: khaled0111 on April 02, 2022, 08:41:49 PM
I don't think there is a gambling site that has  Bitcoin instant credit since it is prone to exploitation especially if your wallet has a replaced by fee feature like Electrum wallet. Most of them needs 1 confirmation which is around 5-10 minutes for higher fee.
Yes this feature is risky but there are few measures that the casino can take to mitigate such risk.
I already named two casinos which accept instant deposits (roobet.com and livecasino.io). I named only these two because I tried them myself. Other members named other casinos which have this feature too. I didn't try them but I have no reason not to believe them.
The double spending risk can be easily mitigated by crediting only transactions that don't have the rbf flag.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Hamphser on April 02, 2022, 08:57:46 PM
I don't think there is a gambling site that has  Bitcoin instant credit since it is prone to exploitation especially if your wallet has a replaced by fee feature like Electrum wallet. Most of them needs 1 confirmation which is around 5-10 minutes for higher fee.
Yes this feature is risky but there are few measures that the casino can take to mitigate such risk.
I already named two casinos which accept instant deposits (roobet.com and livecasino.io). I named only these two because I tried them myself. Other members named other casinos which have this feature too. I didn't try them but I have no reason not to believe them.
The double spending risk can be easily mitigated by crediting only transactions that don't have the rbf flag.
Wasnt aware about that resolving on double spending risk.I wasnt aware too that there are casinos accepts instant deposit considering that the risks mentioned earlier could really be done.

I dont have experience with Roobet or Livecasino and i would test it for myself it does really have that kind of feature which would really be something good for some gamblers
who cant patiently wait for some deposit confirmation.I cant just believe that they could exclude out RBF type of transactions?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: TimeTeller on April 02, 2022, 11:41:57 PM
I don't think there is a gambling site that has  Bitcoin instant credit since it is prone to exploitation especially if your wallet has a replaced by fee feature like Electrum wallet. Most of them needs 1 confirmation which is around 5-10 minutes for higher fee.
Yes this feature is risky but there are few measures that the casino can take to mitigate such risk.
I already named two casinos which accept instant deposits (roobet.com and livecasino.io). I named only these two because I tried them myself. Other members named other casinos which have this feature too. I didn't try them but I have no reason not to believe them.
The double spending risk can be easily mitigated by crediting only transactions that don't have the rbf flag.
Wasnt aware about that resolving on double spending risk.I wasnt aware too that there are casinos accepts instant deposit considering that the risks mentioned earlier could really be done.

I dont have experience with Roobet or Livecasino and i would test it for myself it does really have that kind of feature which would really be something good for some gamblers
who cant patiently wait for some deposit confirmation.I cant just believe that they could exclude out RBF type of transactions?

I have encountered a casino before having this instant deposit, however, I forgot the name.
But there is casino existing for this feature. However, why is the player too much in a hurry not to wait it to be confirmed?
Because in any case, you still need your tx to be confirmed if you want to withdraw.
Most casinos want the transaction to have at least 1 confirmation for their protection purposes also.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: lienfaye on April 03, 2022, 01:31:33 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
Most casinos requires atleast 1-3 confirmations before your deposit reflect in your account, because its risky on their side to have an instant credit. But recently I experienced this on livecasino, I deposited BTC and even the transaction is not confirm yet, my BTC is instantly showing in my account.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Botnake on April 03, 2022, 06:45:58 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
Most casinos requires atleast 1-3 confirmations before your deposit reflect in your account, because its risky on their side to have an instant credit. But recently I experienced this on livecasino, I deposited BTC and even the transaction is not confirm yet, my BTC is instantly showing in my account.
I think that would easily be exploited if someone would double spend it.
We must understand that, here's the explanation.

https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/double-spending/


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: decodx on April 03, 2022, 07:25:24 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
Most casinos requires atleast 1-3 confirmations before your deposit reflect in your account, because its risky on their side to have an instant credit. But recently I experienced this on livecasino, I deposited BTC and even the transaction is not confirm yet, my BTC is instantly showing in my account.

In general, all casinos require at least one confirmation in order to fund your account, and I have never seen zero-confirmation deposits.
Perhaps livecasino's policy depends on the status of your account? If your account has a positive history of deposits, maybe that's why livecasino doesn't need to confirm your deposits anymore.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Kakmakr on April 03, 2022, 09:16:24 AM
Zero confirmations for deposits should not be an issue, if you implement a delay on the withdrawal after the deposit. The first "red flag" for casinos for money laundering is when you deposit money and immediately withdraw it again. So most casinos will have measures in place to prevent this.. and one of those will be to delay withdrawals after a deposit.  ;)

So, this should not be an issue if a zero confirmation deposit is done.... and Casinos can even put a wager requirement on zero confirmation deposits to prevent money laundering.  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: KennyR on April 03, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
Most casinos requires atleast 1-3 confirmations before your deposit reflect in your account, because its risky on their side to have an instant credit. But recently I experienced this on livecasino, I deposited BTC and even the transaction is not confirm yet, my BTC is instantly showing in my account.

In general, all casinos require at least one confirmation in order to fund your account, and I have never seen zero-confirmation deposits.
Perhaps livecasino's policy depends on the status of your account? If your account has a positive history of deposits, maybe that's why livecasino doesn't need to confirm your deposits anymore.

Zero confirmation isn't supported by the gambling platforms. On a single confirmation the deposit gets reflected on the wallet balance and can be used. I've experienced immediate deposit of ethereum and bitcoin reflected on the wallet balance in a much faster time when I was in losing streak and did deposit to continue my wager.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: ralle14 on April 04, 2022, 01:15:46 AM
Zero confirmation isn't supported by the gambling platforms.
Some casinos do support zero confirmation deposits like livecasino, sportsbet and bitcasino. There are other casinos that also support zero confirmation but it requires bigger miner fees, I'm not sure about the exact amount as the average fees change from time to time.

Perhaps livecasino's policy depends on the status of your account? If your account has a positive history of deposits, maybe that's why livecasino doesn't need to confirm your deposits anymore.
It's not related to the standing of your account even if you have a newly registered account it doesn't matter, they really have instant deposits similar to their sister gambling sites like sportsbet and bitcasino.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: peter0425 on April 04, 2022, 05:02:42 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
for the past couple of years being gambler here in crypto? it is really hard to find those long time gambling sites that offers instant crediting , but there are new born gambling site nowadays that makes this promise but i will not introduce you to their site because I am not sure if they are trust worthy or scammers, best just to play and deposit in no instant but at least they are truly paying our worth.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: yayayo on April 04, 2022, 11:13:18 AM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
for the past couple of years being gambler here in crypto? it is really hard to find those long time gambling sites that offers instant crediting , but there are new born gambling site nowadays that makes this promise but i will not introduce you to their site because I am not sure if they are trust worthy or scammers, best just to play and deposit in no instant but at least they are truly paying our worth.

Most of them have 1 confirmation deposit so why would waste time looking for instant deposit gambling site or untrusted site like what you are referring to. For me it is not a problem to wait for 1 confirmation since it won't take too long I think just 3-10 minutes of waiting is not that bad. And if you really don't like waiting then deposit with other currency with a fast confirmation, I think TRX is good too.

ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: michellee on April 04, 2022, 12:03:53 PM
Does anyone know which sites deposit bitcoin instantly or even litecoin without a confirmation I’m sure you have to wait to withdraw that’s fine but at least credit it instantly?
for the past couple of years being gambler here in crypto? it is really hard to find those long time gambling sites that offers instant crediting , but there are new born gambling site nowadays that makes this promise but i will not introduce you to their site because I am not sure if they are trust worthy or scammers, best just to play and deposit in no instant but at least they are truly paying our worth.

Most of them have 1 confirmation deposit so why would waste time looking for instant deposit gambling site or untrusted site like what you are referring to. For me it is not a problem to wait for 1 confirmation since it won't take too long I think just 3-10 minutes of waiting is not that bad. And if you really don't like waiting then deposit with other currency with a fast confirmation, I think TRX is good too.

ya.ya.yo!
Maybe for those of us who are not in a hurry to immediately play gambling, it will not be a problem, but some gamblers want to immediately place a bet so that they don't miss an event. That's why they are looking for gambling sites that can provide instant credit so when they press the send button, the deposit will go directly to the gambling site. Even though it hasn't received confirmation from the network, the gambling site can immediately give credit to the gambler's account. Maybe TRX is another option but he still wants to use BTC in terms of deposits to gambling sites.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: South Park on April 07, 2022, 08:44:33 PM
Zero confirmations for deposits should not be an issue, if you implement a delay on the withdrawal after the deposit. The first "red flag" for casinos for money laundering is when you deposit money and immediately withdraw it again. So most casinos will have measures in place to prevent this.. and one of those will be to delay withdrawals after a deposit.  ;)

So, this should not be an issue if a zero confirmation deposit is done.... and Casinos can even put a wager requirement on zero confirmation deposits to prevent money laundering.  ;D
That seems like a good idea and it seems some casinos are already using something similar, after all as long as the player has not made a withdrawal when no confirmations have been made then the casino has not lost anything at all, still even if this makes sense I cannot help to think that scammers and hackers may find a way to abuse this, as they are experts on finding any flaw within a system and then using it to their advantage.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-instant credit??
Post by: Fatunad on April 07, 2022, 08:59:01 PM
Zero confirmations for deposits should not be an issue, if you implement a delay on the withdrawal after the deposit. The first "red flag" for casinos for money laundering is when you deposit money and immediately withdraw it again. So most casinos will have measures in place to prevent this.. and one of those will be to delay withdrawals after a deposit.  ;)

So, this should not be an issue if a zero confirmation deposit is done.... and Casinos can even put a wager requirement on zero confirmation deposits to prevent money laundering.  ;D
That seems like a good idea and it seems some casinos are already using something similar, after all as long as the player has not made a withdrawal when no confirmations have been made then the casino has not lost anything at all, still even if this makes sense I cannot help to think that scammers and hackers may find a way to abuse this, as they are experts on finding any flaw within a system and then using it to their advantage.
Most of the time on which casinos does really require some wagering requirement whenever you do make out some deposit which is something that very on default because they would definitely be avoiding that money
laundering issue which had become that standard thing thats why its no surprise that whenever you do make out deposits then there would be corresponding terms before you could really do something.
It is true and effective kind of suggestion on having some delays on withdrawals whenever they do accept no confirmation deposit which its impossible that certain deposit wont really be getting
some confirmation but one thing i do have in mind if  they would able to set very low fees which make the transaction stuck for hours and the limitations been set isnt really just too long then it would be still useless.