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Title: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: paxmao on March 04, 2022, 08:55:01 PM
Before:

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/02/putin-war-declaration-prerecorded-04.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

After:

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2022-03-03T175002Z_11031070_RC25VS9T1XMF_RTRMADP_3_UKRAINE-CRISIS-PUTIN.jpg?resize=770%2C513

I am not prone to draw conclusions, but he has been filmed on a very USSR like office, holding the conference on-line. And we are talking about a guy that just cant live without the emperor's glam. Is putting hiding in a (very nice yet sober) bunker?


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: suchmoon on March 04, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
I am not prone to draw conclusions, but he has been filmed on a very USSR like office, holding the conference on-line. And we are talking about a guy that just cant live without the emperor's glam. Is putting hiding in a (very nice yet sober) bunker?

Of course he is. One thing Russian propaganda is very good at - projection (possibly a result of a lack of imagination, but why waste time inventing things when you can take reality and flip it around). So it they say that Zelenskyy ran away and is hiding, most likely Putin is somewhere "safe" because you never know what hoi polloi might do to him once they get hungry and angry.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: af_newbie on March 04, 2022, 09:29:56 PM
At this point, it does not matter where he is.

The US and NATO just gave Putin a green light to start bombing.

They refused to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

Zelensky was pissed (rightfully so):
https://www.facebook.com/zelenskiy.official/videos/1131201930947396

Politically it is over for Ukraine.  EU, NATO, and the US abandoned them.

Russia will continue its operation to resolve the "Ukrainian Question".

Now, Ukrainians know that they are alone in this fight, they have to prepare
for the worse and kill as many Russians as they can as fast as they can.

Stop taking prisoners, destroy everything, prepare for a guerilla war.

Slava Ukraini!!!


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: Gyfts on March 04, 2022, 09:42:10 PM
They refused to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

The no-fly zone isn't a binary issue. A no-fly zone is cause for escalation and I think the Biden administration was smart to toss the idea when it was floating around. The way I see it - the West has their reasons for not getting involved (frankly, they made it clear they don't care enough about Ukraine to bother to put it bluntly). The U.S. must meet its obligations to NATO and that's it. A no-fly zone means the potential of the U.S. or NATO affiliated countries shooting down Russian aircrafts. It would only cause things to spiral out of control and whatever propensities Putin has, combined with desperation and derangement, can be multiplied by 100 if a no-fly zone becomes enforced.

At least NATO is supplying arms to Ukraine. Granted, an untrained army with the type of weaponry being sent will provide diminished return, but it's at least something.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: coolcoinz on March 04, 2022, 09:59:58 PM
Putin is afraid of assassination attempts and covid. You could see him sitting far away from his guests at these long tables. It's a sign of weakness and paranoia if you ask me. I'd expect him to hide in a bunker since the beginning of the war. Also, since he's sending assassins after Zelensky, he's probably getting ready to receive the same treatment.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: paxmao on March 04, 2022, 11:04:44 PM
At this point, it does not matter where he is.

The US and NATO just gave Putin a green light to start bombing.

They refused to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

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Slava Ukraini!!!

A no fly zone is an act of war (NATO would be shooting down Putin's aircrafts). NATO is not at war with Putin and the world cannot risk WW III.

I fully support supplying Ukraine with all material means to resist and eventually, drive Putin out. That includes planes and air defences.

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Of course he is. One thing Russian propaganda is very good at - projection (possibly a result of a lack of imagination, but why waste time inventing things when you can take reality and flip it around).
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On which, I just listened to a short interview to a Ukrainian young lady that is sending to her Russian friends videos and images of the war and she was saying that they just did not believe that there actually was a war... pretty much they were so far from reality that nothing would make them consider that their official media could actually be lying God Level.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: af_newbie on March 04, 2022, 11:26:50 PM
At this point, it does not matter where he is.

The US and NATO just gave Putin a green light to start bombing.

They refused to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

...

Slava Ukraini!!!

A no fly zone is an act of war (you will be shooting down Putin's aircrafts). NATO is not at war with Putin and the world cannot risk WW III.

I have to disagree.  I think Putin is at war with the West.  Autocracy vs Democracy.

WW III is in progress.  Some people do not realize it yet.

Frankly, I do not think NATO is prepared to deal with Putin once he attacks their countries.

They should be planning for a nuclear war right now while Putin is busy with Ukraine.  They still have time to deploy nuclear weapons in Lithuania, Poland, and Romania.  The NATO countries should ramp up the production of military equipment, weapons and deploy them all around eastern borders, in several lines of defense.

PS. Otherwise, they better start learning Russian "bo eem boodyet pownyi pizdyet".  Putin does not care how many Russian soldiers will die.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: paxmao on March 05, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
At this point, it does not matter where he is.

The US and NATO just gave Putin a green light to start bombing.

They refused to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

...

Slava Ukraini!!!

A no fly zone is an act of war (you will be shooting down Putin's aircrafts). NATO is not at war with Putin and the world cannot risk WW III.

I have to disagree.  I think Putin is at war with the West.  Autocracy vs Democracy.
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Let me rephrase, NATO does not want to further escalate WWIII if your prefer this.
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Frankly, I do not think NATO is prepared to deal with Putin once he attacks their countries.

They should be planning for a nuclear war right now while Putin is busy with Ukraine.

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You would be surprised.

Slava Ukrain.



Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: OgNasty on March 05, 2022, 08:57:09 PM
It isn't uncommon to assume that a president would be moved to a "war room" in the event war breaks out.  I'm sure Putin had his location safeguarded and secured long before this started.  I would be more surprised if during a time of war he wasn't in hiding.  Surely there are teams of Ukrainians with the goal of ending this war through whatever means possible.  Assassinating Putin would seemingly fall into that category, so I don't expect he'll be giving public speeches to crowds of people anytime soon.  Even after such an event that has the world so angry I can't imagine him returning to normal.  This will likely have a lasting impact on his whereabouts for the remainder of his life.  Although I'm sure people thought the same things about George Bush.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: Tash on March 05, 2022, 09:10:47 PM

Breaking, Putin just invaded Russia
https://rumble.com/vwgou9-youre-an-idiot-joe.html


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: Ebede on March 05, 2022, 09:25:19 PM
Putin is afraid of assassination attempts and covid. You could see him sitting far away from his guests at these long tables. It's a sign of weakness and paranoia if you ask me. I'd expect him to hide in a bunker since the beginning of the war. Also, since he's sending assassins after Zelensky, he's probably getting ready to receive the same treatment.

Exactly you taught is nice, this is a crisis between two country and Russia president putin does not want to trust any one because at this time is seeing every body like a suspect, that is why putin is seating far away, problem is not good because if their was no problem Putin would not stay far away from gathering discussion


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: suchmoon on March 05, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
There is this video that some people think is fake because Putin looks like he's greenscreened into it (hand going through the microphone and whatnot).

Anyway, another thing that's weird about it is that usually he's keeping a huge distance (e.g. sitting at a hilariously long table (https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/620a9b22bc7a6c2b688590a8/RUSSIA-POLITICS-DIPLOMACY/960x0.jpg), or across a large room like in the OP photo) from even his closest subordinates, and here just chilling in close contact with a bunch of supposedly random strangers.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: LTU_btc on March 06, 2022, 12:17:36 AM
There is this video that some people think is fake because Putin looks like he's greenscreened into it (hand going through the microphone and whatnot).

Anyway, another thing that's weird about it is that usually he's keeping a huge distance (e.g. sitting at a hilariously long table (https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/620a9b22bc7a6c2b688590a8/RUSSIA-POLITICS-DIPLOMACY/960x0.jpg), or across a large room like in the OP photo) from even his closest subordinates, and here just chilling in close contact with a bunch of supposedly random strangers.
Here is video of it:
https://twitter.com/alexkhrebet/status/1500170161726369799
Longer version for more context:
https://twitter.com/AlexandrMitrofa/status/1500100619805278212 And look closely at tea pot https://twitter.com/Alex_the_biker/status/1500209482651115524
For me me whole background and people there simply don't look natural, it's very similar to greenscreen. It definitelY looks that this meeting video was faked. And it's a bit surprising that Russian propaganda machine let such visible mistake to happen.
It's nothing surprising that Putin is hiding somewhere in such occasion. But damn, how much he fears of people, even close comrades. Covid too.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: Rruchi man on March 06, 2022, 12:33:02 AM
Every country has protocols during time of war and one of them may be relocating their number one citizen to a safe space, so no need to suggest that he is hiding behind a bunker, it is expected.
 
Anyway, another thing that's weird about it is that usually he's keeping a huge distance (e.g. sitting at a hilariously long table (https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/620a9b22bc7a6c2b688590a8/RUSSIA-POLITICS-DIPLOMACY/960x0.jpg), or across a large room like in the OP photo) from even his closest subordinates, and here just chilling in close contact with a bunch of supposedly random strangers.
During covid, when it was at it's peak, there was a viral picture of Putin in a Hazmat suit just to avoid the virus. That is the character of a man that doesn't take chances and clearly not from anyone hence the long tables.  I also wonder the possibility and i think he would also have double water and food tasters at every meal to avoid being poisoned, all just to be cautious at a delicate time like this.


Title: Re: Putin's last images are not in a palace, but in a bunker like room
Post by: ammodotcom on March 06, 2022, 11:02:53 PM
Bit difficult to judge Vlad's current setting without a media that will report on it or this background-free photo.