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Title: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Agbe on March 06, 2022, 06:12:05 PM
Mostly people attack or criticize threads without really understanding the context in the content. Before you condemned a thread, you have to understand the "word register", so that it will not affect the OP feelings.

Although not everyone will support the ideas and the experiences of the OP. But still try to find out the  WWW ("Why: The reason of writing, When : The time it happened and What : The degree of the experience") of the OP. So you will not hurt the OP feelings instead he learns more from you.

Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..

And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.

There are some people that understand the word register before attacks and Criticize and I like them, I always learn from them.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Stalker22 on March 06, 2022, 06:51:33 PM
What the hell are you rambling about? Who hurt your feelings?
Suck it up!

We all have to deal with criticism from time to time, but it's best not to let it get you down or use it as an excuse for lazy work. Perhaps you should try to express yourself better if you want to get people to like your ideas and respect your opinions.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Dillonhebist on March 06, 2022, 07:01:28 PM
This is a forum missed up with different people with different ways of understanding and how to approach, you don't have to let them weigh you down but instead find reasons in everything and work towards it.

There is always sense in nonsense


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: GeorgeJohn on March 06, 2022, 10:27:45 PM
I will advice you to accept correction of people here, accepting correction is the beginning of your upliftment, because check this community very well, it's obvious that everyone here who registered from 2013 downwards undergoes learning from the superior ones, criticism will make you to pick up corrections, don't be upset because someone respond or react to your thread in such a way you don't like, because from my views no person is ready to downgrade a newbie. I want you to zero pride and adopt the way of people style but it's not to plagiarized article is the kind of emulations I'm emphasising on.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Agbe on March 07, 2022, 06:22:49 AM
I will advice you to accept correction of people here, accepting correction is the beginning of your upliftment, because check this community very well, it's obvious that everyone here who registered from 2013 downwards undergoes learning from the superior ones, criticism will make you to pick up corrections, don't be upset because someone respond or react to your thread in such a way you don't like, because from my views no person is ready to downgrade a newbie. I want you to zero pride and adopt the way of people style but it's not to plagiarized article is the kind of emulations I'm emphasising on.

Yes sir. But I have been taking corrections and accepting mistakes, that is why I have learned a lot here.. I am still on the process. But most of the people that attacking me and criticizing me did not understand my contexts. Once they see the title and read the content without known the context, they condemned the thread.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 07, 2022, 06:55:20 AM

Yes sir. But I have been taking corrections and accepting mistakes, that is why I have learned a lot here.. I am still on the process. But most of the people that attacking me and criticizing me did not understand my contexts. Once they see the title and read the content without known the context, they condemned the thread.

To do this, you need to learn how to create topics correctly, as well as correctly name them. If you are weak and cannot explain, no one is obliged to torture your brain with what you want to say. You come into society, and you must live by its rules, and not vice versa.
In addition, if you regularly take offense and do not take the advice of people who correct you, you will turn into a snowflake. The advice that has become the rule of this forum: get a thick skin.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: mk4 on March 07, 2022, 07:11:19 AM
Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..

Maybe because a lot of times — it's actually true? If you know an industry well enough, it's pretty easy to see through people's BS.

Smh, another one of those "high ranks bullying newbies" merit complaint thread.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Chipard on March 07, 2022, 07:25:41 AM
Don't be upset from the feedbacks but learn from it , it may help you what you need to improve and how you need to improve.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: mocacinno on March 07, 2022, 07:47:48 AM
What might also be a good trick is to ask questions instead of spreading FUD or fake info.

What do i mean: pretty simple... If you write an article style post filled with bs, i'm going to call you out for it... I'm going to be relatively harsh because you're writing something as if you had any authority in the field, so it's pretty easy for a newbie to take your article for granted due to the fact it was written in a way that made it look like the article writer knew what he was talking about.
By calling you out, i'm merely protecting newbies... It has to be pretty clear to them that the article is filled with bs, so they do not have to take anything said in the article for granted. If i wasn't harsh or calling you out, newbies might think you were telling the truth and subsequently make mistakes that could cost them money.

On the other side: if you are not an authority, and you ask questions... But it's clear to everybody in the thread that it was, in fact, a question posted by a newbie that wanted to learn... I'm always inclined to either answer your question (rather politely if possible) or at least tell you the question has been asked hundreds of times before so you need to use the search function...


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Rikafip on March 07, 2022, 08:02:59 AM
Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..
But what's the point of sharing your experience via  forum if people wont share their opinion on it? You might as well share that on a blog.


And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.
Based on description, I guess that you are referring to A Disadvantage of Bitcoin Talk Forum and Crypto with the Cost of Smart Phone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388371.msg59428046#msg59428046) thread of yours in which I don't see people attacking you. Disagreeing yes, but that;';s how it goes on the forums. If you can't handle comments like in that thread you will have a very hard time here. My advice: grow thicker skin.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Widdop37 on March 07, 2022, 08:43:32 AM
@Agbe I apologize for all the mean words that people say to you on here please try not to take it to the heart and as for those saying criticism isn't something to take serious don't forget that we are all humans, some are strong and some are weak, try to be nice to people.



Don't be upset from the feedbacks but learn from it , it may help you what you need to improve and how you need to improve.
Some people takes feedback very seriously, someone tried to take his own life on Facebook in 2019 and people started asking him that what is he waiting for? Calling him names on Facebook and the guy died few minutes later, instead of trying to talk him out of it they pour more gasoline into the fire, since this day I've learnt to be careful with my replies or comments online.

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Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: mocacinno on March 07, 2022, 09:21:16 AM
Don't be upset from the feedbacks but learn from it , it may help you what you need to improve and how you need to improve.
Some people takes feedback very seriously, someone tried to take his own life on Facebook in 2019 and people started asking him that what is he waiting for? Calling him names on Facebook and the guy died few minutes later, instead of trying to talk him out of it they pour more gasoline into the fire, since this day I've learnt to be careful with my replies or comments online.

I"ve been on this forum for a while now, and i must say that in general, i don't think people that who threaten to commit suicide would be a targeted by us. There might be individual cases, but this is a very big forum with thousands of active users, so it's unavoidable that stuff like this might happen once in a blue moon tough.

I've even seen those scammers beggars using sob stories involving suicide, death of family members, depression getting pointed towards more proper channels to get help. Even if we all know somebody is using a fake sob story to lure us into giving them free money, we usually don't react in a way that would drive somebody to commit suicide (we don't give them the money either).

I would say that what you describe would be an anomaly. It's not impossible, but i haven't witnessed somebody expressing suicidal toughts being made a laughing stock (even if we were all 99,99% sure it was a fake sob story).

What we do is correct people if they make mistakes. Some people are more direct than others, and people's feelings might get hurt... But like it's been said numerous times in this very thread: it's up to you to grow a thicker skin... If you are wrong, you are wrong... Sure it might be nice if somebody told you politely, but that's not always what happens, and you have to learn to live with that, or search a different forum i'm afraid.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: PrivacyG on March 07, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
Some people takes feedback very seriously, someone tried to take his own life on Facebook in 2019 and people started asking him that what is he waiting for? Calling him names on Facebook and the guy died few minutes later, instead of trying to talk him out of it they pour more gasoline into the fire, since this day I've learnt to be careful with my replies or comments online.
I think this usually applies in desperate situations.  The person is vulnerable and it is easy to manipulate them.  Here, from what I have seen, it typically happens when members have been scammed and someone gets to scam them a second time.  They are so desperate for help that they get to be manipulated into a second one.

I also think there is a strong, clear differentiating line between feedback and telling someone to kill themselves when they are suicidal.  The latter is being plain stupid.  Feedback is something some people simply do not know how to welcome so they take it as such.

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Regards,
PrivacyG


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Koil on March 07, 2022, 10:19:41 AM
Most of people don't even know how to use the forum and the sections.
I see many "oldbies" that should know way more than me using the marketplace for discussion and such.
Even some market sub sections like the altcoin market is filled with spam...
Either some people are lazy or they don't actually care where and what they post.
Which in most case brings no attention from people who can or want to help with their issues.
We are the one ruining the sections but also seems like there is lack of moderation in some sub sections.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Coyster on March 07, 2022, 10:21:19 AM
Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..
It does not make the writer a liar, mind you that someone could have good intentions, but still write an entire article wth erroneous and misleading information, would you rather other users allow such information to stand, or to correct such users so others do not take such information to be correct, to be honest i do not see a problem with that (correcting someone's mistake), it all falls under the process of learning, you make a mistake, you're put in the right way, you learn from it, and everything goes on fine; win-win situation for all.
And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.
I hope this post isn't about merits which is a subjective case, the real point here should be what is correct and what is not, and if we can take merits to be something given for quality posts, then it is only normal that the user who provides the most accurate information would get merits for their efforts, irrespective if it is the OP or not. If by the way the OP provides accurate information, then the user could likewise get merits for their efforts, but it is really subjective.

In general, "just wear a thicker skin".


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Alisha-k on March 07, 2022, 11:15:43 AM
Mostly people attack or criticize threads without really understanding the context in the content. Before you condemned a thread, you have to understand the "word register", so that it will not affect the OP feelings.

1. Most people won't stop using harsh words or even attack other people just by because it "hurt" other people feeling.
2. If people can't take critic, he should avoid social media and forum without strict moderation.

And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.

Could you provide few examples?
as simple as that, there's no 2 ways about it if you can't take critics then you should take your life totally offline because you can't tame the way people react or the words the react with.

Even children from the same womb living in the same house do have misunderstandings talk more of people you know little or nothing about online here.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Rruchi man on March 07, 2022, 01:33:49 PM


Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..

Hello OP, Sorry if anyone has hurt your feelings or affected your self esteem here...It may not have been their intention to. You have to understand that this is public space and there are a lot of people here from different backgrounds and orientations, whenever you post up a story, you have to make it convincing and of value...you also need to be sure of what you post...if criticism comes regardless, learn to handle it well, it is what is needed at times for growth.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 07, 2022, 02:13:32 PM
Now what's the point you wanted to express? It's merit right? as you mentioned above.

And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.
If people giving merit to the user opposite your opinions, that's mean he's right and you're wrong. But anyone doesn't always right and doesn't always wrong, so don't think if you made something wrong you'll always wrong.

However based on this particular thread you created, I smell you're wanted to grab merit. I'd think you're alt from Rich222 and Edith1994 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59345597#msg59345597) I might be wrong, but it's suspicious.

Oh well you can dislike me since I criticizing you.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: GeorgeJohn on March 07, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
Yes sir. But I have been taking corrections and accepting mistakes, that is why I have learned a lot here.. I am still on the process.
that should be one of your major priority, is to observe and learn from your observations, no one was perfect or hundred percentage sure or standard when the person come to the forum, so it was gradual process everyone is acquainted to the environment, devote out time to read comments and topics made by the superior ones, i think it will speed up your development to the community.

But most of the people that attacking me and criticizing me did not understand my contexts. Once they see the title and read the content without known the context, they condemned the thread.
see avoid making title that did not relates with the body composition of your texts, no one will complain without notifying a fault, but from your own views you are seeing it or understanding it as a criticism, if someone criticized your thread try to fish out the reason is criticizing your work from his response, at least you will adjust with those minor fault that's unknown or undetectable to you but known to another user.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on March 07, 2022, 08:26:00 PM
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I am not sure what particular thread were you attacked as you started many topics in different boards and I am not going to bother reading each and everyone's reply there to find it out.
If you think that the "criticism" isn't sort of constructive, ignore button is there at your disposal if you feel that it is an "attack" not a constructive criticism.
Welcome to the internet, OP. You'll meet every sorts of people that you can imagine.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Stalker22 on March 07, 2022, 09:55:46 PM
Yes sir. But I have been taking corrections and accepting mistakes, that is why I have learned a lot here.. I am still on the process. But most of the people that attacking me and criticizing me did not understand my contexts. Once they see the title and read the content without known the context, they condemned the thread.

And whose fault is that? If most people didn't understand your context, do you think most people are incompetent and/or illiterate, or is there something wrong with the way you presented it?

Most likely, you failed to contextualize the information and ended up blaming the entire community for your mistake. I suggest you to take your content back to the drawing board and try to articulate the context of the situation accurately in future.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 07, 2022, 09:58:05 PM
This is just common in online, you have to get used to it. Haven't you faced the same while posting something on Instagram or Facebook? There will be always someone is going to comment against you so just accept and move on. If you still feel it is hurting you then you can create self moderated threads so you can set your own local rules but don't get this as an advantage to spam or scam.

Bitcointalk give and respect the freedom of speech to everyone no matter either its a newbie account or legendary account the rules are same for everyone here.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Yogee on March 07, 2022, 10:57:40 PM
People and their feelings.....

If your audience cannot understand the context of your post as you claim then explain it further. If you cannot argue anymore or you feel like your true message still isn't understood then you can hit the ignore button. You don't need to be too emotional about online comments or feedback.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: Agbe on March 08, 2022, 12:19:16 AM
Now what's the point you wanted to express? It's merit right? as you mentioned above.

And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.
If people giving merit to the user opposite your opinions, that's mean he's right and you're wrong. But anyone doesn't always right and doesn't always wrong, so don't think if you made something wrong you'll always wrong.

However based on this particular thread you created, I smell you're wanted to grab merit. I'd think you're alt from Rich222 and Edith1994 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59345597#msg59345597) I might be wrong, but it's suspicious.

Oh well you can dislike me since I criticizing you.

I am not here for meritocracy but to learn and do my investment and trading..but if one likes my threads, he will appreciate me. Meritocracy must be given to the deserve personalities.

I don't even know the Rich222 and Edith1994 personalities. I only see Edith1994 in this forum as for Rich222 I have not even seen the post of the person.

I am not here to dislike anyone but to like everyone, that is one love...

Sir I don't know how to quote individual line of an article here in this forum. What should I do. Teach me.


Title: Re: Attacks and Criticism
Post by: DdmrDdmr on March 08, 2022, 09:39:44 AM
<…> Someone will write article with his own experience but another person will say it is not true.. That means you are calling him a lier..
Not necessarily at all. People can have different ideas, perspectives or knowledge on a matter, and therefore express their counter opinion. In general terms, that is something that should be appreciated, as it’s not infrequent for people to write things that are wrong or misleading, often unintentionally. As a reader, it’s better to view contrasted information than to take for granted everything we read, though over time, you may tend to take a closer shine to some specific people’s comment/views.

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And those people that condemn work are getting more merits than the OP himself from his own experience.
That could be due to multiple factors, one of which is the chances that the rebuttal bears some clear-cut arguments that make the counterview seem valid, or more reasonable than the view it counters.

<…>  I don't know how to quote individual line of an article here in this forum. What should I do. Teach me.
Once you quote, edit the text within the quote freely to leave the pertinent parts, as I’ve done above.