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Title: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Hydrogen on March 25, 2022, 10:46:10 PM
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Russia is open to accepting bitcoin for its natural resources exports, the chairman of the country’s Congressional energy committee, Pavel Zavalny, said in a press conference on Thursday.

Zavalny explained that Russia is open to accepting different currencies for its exports, beginning with natural gas, depending on the buyer’s preferred method of payment. However, the chairman said terms will depend on the importing country’s foreign relations status with Russia.

“When it comes to our ‘friendly’ countries, like China or Turkey, which don’t pressure us, then we have been offering them for a while to switch payments to national currencies, like rubles and yuan,” Zavalny said during the press conference. “With Turkey, it can be lira and rubles. So there can be a variety of currencies, and that’s a standard practice. If they want bitcoin, we will trade in bitcoin.”

Zavalny’s statement comes on the heels of President Vladimir Putin’s comments on Wednesday demanding that ‘unfriendly’ countries pay for Russian gas in rubles. Putin’s message was clear, but it is unclear whether Russia can unilaterally change existing contracts agreed upon in euros.

The State Duma’s energy committee chair echoed Putin’s decision while adding that the country should also accept gold.

“When we exchange with Western countries…they should pay in hard money,” Zavalny said. “And hard money is gold, or they must pay in currencies which are convenient for us, and that is the national currency – ruble. That relates to our ‘unfriendly’ countries.”

Russia being open to accepting bitcoin shift the tide as Putin last year had dismissed the possibility in an interview at the Russian Energy Week event in Moscow.

“I believe that it has value,” Putin said at the time, referring to Bitcoin. “But I don’t believe it can be used in the oil trade.”

The current size of the Bitcoin market and its liquidity do pose questions as to whether the peer-to-peer currency could be used widely by countries in international trade at this moment.

However, by being open to the possibility and eventually conducting pilot trades with interested parties, Russia could set the stage for an upcoming trend where nations choose to transact in the stateless, global monetary system.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/russia-open-to-sell-gas-for-bitcoin


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When the US dollar was used to buy and sell oil on a global scale, it was referred to as the petro dollar in this role. In 2018, china announced it would denominate oil transactions in its native currency, the yuan. At which time, people referred to it as the petro yuan. China also initially announced it would offer yuan exchange for gold, to setup something resembling a gold standard. Unfortunately, this aspect of the announcement never materialized.

Today it seems russia is prepared to sell natural gas and oil in bitcoin. Could this signal the beginning of a petro bitcoin? Russia also seems to be offering to sell its natural resources in exchange for precious metals like gold. A move which precious metals supporters who have long called for a return to a gold standard might approve of.

If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.





Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: _act_ on March 25, 2022, 11:02:02 PM
Today it seems russia is prepared to sell natural gas and oil in bitcoin. Could this signal the beginning of a petro bitcoin?

If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.

Yes, petrol bitcoin, there would be more, this would be the begining of countries to be accepting bitcoin as a means of payment. Likely a time is coming countries will have bitcoin reserves, probably starting from El Salvador and obviously, Russia.

Definitely, countries are starting to recognize bitcoin, then more adoption.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: RickDeckard on March 25, 2022, 11:05:22 PM
While that would signal a greater step towards bitcoin adoption, I believe we all know why Russia is willing to accept BTC for their petrol - the rubles is in shambles at the moment, and their recent order for other countries to pay for gas using rubles[1] has been facing opposition from around the world. They are really looking for any way that they can fund their country - and the war - so anything that has value must for sure be on the table to be accepted. From one side I would like to see this happened but considering current world circumstances, I don't know if any country will pay in BTC for any kind of commodity (let it be gas, wheat or even petrol). The good news is that if they do eventually pay in BTC at least the ruble isn't being used, meaning that it's value should continue the same (in theory).

As a side note, it's great to know that Germany is cutting their ties with Russia (or at least most of them) by the end of 2024[2] but I do wonder how will they manage the current energetic needs until then...

[1]https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-scholz-rejects-putins-rubles-for-gas-demand/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-scholz-rejects-putins-rubles-for-gas-demand/)
[2]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-25/germany-targets-end-to-russian-gas-imports-by-middle-of-2024 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-25/germany-targets-end-to-russian-gas-imports-by-middle-of-2024)


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Yogee on March 25, 2022, 11:08:30 PM
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If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.
Definitely a huge step for mainstream adoption.

The first country that came to my mind was El Salvador. This is definitely a welcome news for them and it looks like they are one of the countries that has a "friendly" relationship with Russia. BTC is already a legal tender to them and another country accepting it as payment for gas so yeah.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: bittraffic on March 25, 2022, 11:17:15 PM

When currencies can be devalued by government itself by printing more and more like the USD, it affects every economy and the inflation is shared all through the entire world so its not going to be surprising that affected countries will move to another currencies. Bitcoin is a lot sensible because no countries can print more of it.

But I don't see Chinese Yuan to be trusted as well. There is no point in doing so because China could also print knowing that they have CBDC that can be used against anyone.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: hatshepsut93 on March 26, 2022, 01:01:44 PM
Who exactly will pay in BTC? The West won't use anything other their own currency. China and India are openly anti-Bitcoin. This leaves only a bunch of economically smaller countries, so even if such transactions will happen, it will be purely symbolic, rather than representing a trend shift.

Bitcoin can also be a large cybersecurity risk. We see Anonymous, or whomever operates under that name, hacking Russian government and involved private companies left and right, now imagine if they hack Russian BTC wallets and drain them? And before you say "cold storage", remember that the US successfully used airgap-jumping malware against Iran in the past.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Beerwizzard on March 26, 2022, 01:56:07 PM

In 2018, china announced it would denominate oil transactions in its native currency, the yuan. At which time, people referred to it as the petro yuan. China also initially announced it would offer yuan exchange for gold, to setup something resembling a gold standard. Unfortunately, this aspect of the announcement never materialized.


Seems like they have change their minds on it. Years have passed and we still didn't hear anything about  yuan as international currency.


Today it seems russia is prepared to sell natural gas and oil in bitcoin. Could this signal the beginning of a petro bitcoin? Russia also seems to be offering to sell its natural resources in exchange for precious metals like gold. A move which precious metals supporters who have long called for a return to a gold standard might approve of.

Most likely this claim was just said for sake of saying it. Low tier legislators in Russia often say different bullshit in order to get quoted in the media.
However, if it really happens. Then it is possible to use Bitcoin liquidity to support bitcoin transactions but then we might get another wave of bans or shutdowns due to sanctions. US politicians would easily choose to confront cryptocurrencies in order to shit russia.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Pomogator on March 26, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
It really could be. Russia is trying to get away from paying for gas for dollars as much as possible. I think these are extreme measures that Russia will take. It is more likely that the payment will be in rubles, because then Russia will strengthen its ruble. Of course, if bitcoin becomes a currency for paying for gas and oil, then this will greatly increase the rate of bitcoin, I'm really looking forward to it!


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Flexystar on March 26, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
I am not sure why we connecting all the dots to main stream adoption? Have anyone not seen the other side of the Russia yet? They are tangled up in hundreds of sanctions and they are mostly related to banning import export, businesses, currency exchanges, economical interference etc so that Russia can crush inside out to stop the war and to stop us from going into world war.

Russia is simply throwing bitcoin card because they are running out of money tbh. They want to sell the oil in anyways possible.

I would love to see this as mainstream adoption but I don’t think Russia is in the position of doing same.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: bittraffic on March 26, 2022, 03:08:55 PM
It really could be. Russia is trying to get away from paying for gas for dollars as much as possible. I think these are extreme measures that Russia will take. It is more likely that the payment will be in rubles, because then Russia will strengthen its ruble. Of course, if bitcoin becomes a currency for paying for gas and oil, then this will greatly increase the rate of bitcoin, I'm really looking forward to it!

This could be more recent than this news I think but Joe Brown of Heresy Financial says Russia pegged their rubles to gold taking this article from Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russian-cenbank-restart-buying-gold-banks-will-pay-fixed-price-march-28-2022-03-25/) as source of the information. You can also watch his youtube here about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbNoddwc1Lo

The world gone nuts these days and who knows what could happen in the next few months for what we know there are over 30 countries abstain in sanctioning Russia and will still be buying products from them. If they buy gas from Russia, they are going to make it still.  Even without any of them buying gas with BTC.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: kryptqnick on March 26, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
There are at least a couple of threads about this news on the forum, but since the focus here's on mass adoption, I'll reply anyway. I don't think that it was more than a remark by a Russian official, and that it would actually lead to payments in Bitcoin. I also hope it won't happen because that would be bad for Bitcoin's reputation and would probably trigger more regulation and restrictions in Western countries. It's bad enough that Bitcoin would buy oil and gas, things humanity must get away from to save the planet, but on top of that, it would go to Russia, the terrorist state, which is causing many deaths every day because it decided to invade a sovereign country in the 21st century.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: STT on March 26, 2022, 06:55:01 PM
Its more likely that Russia would trade for goods required in exchange for oil rather then require BTC.    The main thing is does Russia hold BTC as a reserve currency, at least one country does but so far its not in mainstream exchange back and forth international to settle trade balance.   I think Russia would need to then make BTC legal tender and allow taxes payable in BTC and so on, I think the current environment is probably changing their mind forever with regards to banning it but I doubt they do make it a reserve asset.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Oceat on March 26, 2022, 07:25:08 PM
I am not sure why we connecting all the dots to main stream adoption? Have anyone not seen the other side of the Russia yet? They are tangled up in hundreds of sanctions and they are mostly related to banning import export, businesses, currency exchanges, economical interference etc so that Russia can crush inside out to stop the war and to stop us from going into world war.

Russia is simply throwing bitcoin card because they are running out of money tbh. They want to sell the oil in anyways possible.

I would love to see this as mainstream adoption but I don’t think Russia is in the position of doing same.
As far as I know, not all country imposing sanctions to Russia so they still have some choices left most especially in Asian countries. If the West trying to impose a sanctions to them then it's different on the East since most of the country don't want to get involve in the conflict between Nato and Soviet Union.

Anything can be possible with Bitcoin and using BTC to trade oils is not an exception. Thus, this will increase the adoption rate as fast as possible but the question is, who will be going to trade with Bitcoin in exchange for oils?


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: darkangel11 on March 26, 2022, 07:35:27 PM
Who exactly will pay in BTC? The West won't use anything other their own currency. China and India are openly anti-Bitcoin. This leaves only a bunch of economically smaller countries, so even if such transactions will happen, it will be purely symbolic, rather than representing a trend shift.

Bitcoin can also be a large cybersecurity risk. We see Anonymous, or whomever operates under that name, hacking Russian government and involved private companies left and right, now imagine if they hack Russian BTC wallets and drain them? And before you say "cold storage", remember that the US successfully used airgap-jumping malware against Iran in the past.

Maybe not so symbolic. Among countries that continue to buy Russian oil are Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria and Greece.

India isn't really anti-bitcoin. It used to be banned there, so there's an opposition, but they banned it because some politicians were using it to take bribes, so a reaction was to be expected. It's great they aren't trying to ban but rather regulate it.

ON the other hand bitcoin might be labelled blood money if the war continues and countries keep paying Russia with it.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: kaya11 on March 26, 2022, 10:38:50 PM
Maybe this explains the current surge in price of Bitcoin, I saw it on local news that Russia is accepting payments through bitcoin for it's oil. This is adoption and it will be just a matter of time when other countries follows this especially for those who rely on Russian oil. A petro BTC is probably possible, in this step they have made, they are showing that they are acknowledging the crypto currencies potentials and we are just seeing the initiative here, may will be expecting more to come.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: CaVO32 on March 26, 2022, 10:44:32 PM
Maybe this explains the current surge in price of Bitcoin, I saw it on local news that Russia is accepting payments through bitcoin for it's oil. This is adoption and it will be just a matter of time when other countries follows this especially for those who rely on Russian oil. A petro BTC is probably possible, in this step they have made, they are showing that they are acknowledging the crypto currencies potentials and we are just seeing the initiative here, may will be expecting more to come.

If they are hesitant before towards bitcoin, now, they are starting to realize the benefits of bitcoin because of the sanctions they are receiving from the world market. The petro BTC is very possible, so let us see in the next coming months how the Russian government will tackle their situation. The war seems not stopping yet, but a lot have lost their lives and so many infrastructures that were destroyed already.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Lucius on March 28, 2022, 01:44:49 PM
Today it seems russia is prepared to sell natural gas and oil in bitcoin. Could this signal the beginning of a petro bitcoin?

If Russia finds itself in a situation where it is really cut off from most of the world, then it will accept any method of payment that can bypass regular payment methods - after all, it is important to sell the product and charge for it. However, I would not go so far as to give the adjective petro to Bitcoin, because in the current situation it gives not only negative connotations, but will provoke the US and the EU to start strict regulations on Bitcoin.

If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.

I think that the statement of the Russian minister (or whatever it is) is a bit out of context, because as far as I understand, he said that they (Russia) will accept all alternative payment methods, even if someone offers Bitcoin. It is not known to me that any country that is still friendly to Russia has expressed such an intention, and in order to pay for Bitcoin, they must first buy it. And we all know that from the moment of purchase to the moment of payment, there can be a change in price - and that is a problem for both the buyer and the seller.

I do not see any indication of mass adaptation here, but only assumptions based on speculation.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Moneyprism on March 28, 2022, 01:52:18 PM
I think this is a bold step taken by Russia, because they were the first country to declare payment for oil using bitcoin ... and this might inspire other countries to accept bitcoin for their various payments


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: dbc23 on March 28, 2022, 03:33:00 PM
selling Natural gas and oil for bitcoin is the only way Russians can interact with other foreign countries without spending more rubies in the foreign exchange market seeing how the Russian Rubie keeps declining following the numerous sanction surrounding their invasion.  If they must deal with countries that didn't serve them sanctions it's either the use crypto  or digital metal like gold which is a better barter option for them at the moment


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: paxmao on March 28, 2022, 10:22:46 PM
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Russia is open to accepting bitcoin for its natural resources exports, the chairman of the country’s Congressional energy committee, Pavel Zavalny, said in a press conference on Thursday.

Zavalny explained that Russia is open to accepting different currencies for its exports, beginning with natural gas, depending on the buyer’s preferred method of payment. However, the chairman said terms will depend on the importing country’s foreign relations status with Russia.
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When the US dollar was used to buy and sell oil on a global scale, it was referred to as the petro dollar in this role. In 2018, china announced it would denominate oil transactions in its native currency, the yuan. At which time, people referred to it as the petro yuan. China also initially announced it would offer yuan exchange for gold, to setup something resembling a gold standard. Unfortunately, this aspect of the announcement never materialized.

Today it seems russia is prepared to sell natural gas and oil in bitcoin. Could this signal the beginning of a petro bitcoin? Russia also seems to be offering to sell its natural resources in exchange for precious metals like gold. A move which precious metals supporters who have long called for a return to a gold standard might approve of.

If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.
Translation: Putin's aggression has weakened the ruble to a ridiculous point. He is in need of reserves, the problem is that "unfriend countries" pay in USD or Euro that immediately get blocked, thus do not help paying for the war massive expenses.

Putin is happy to receive any payment that he can actually use. Yuan - no problem, gold - perfect!, bitcoin -perfect, can be exchanged fluidly, ...

For the "unfriendly", you have to buy rubles with your USD and then give us the rubles. This way, the USD cannot be retained nor blocked.



Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Masplanc on March 28, 2022, 10:29:57 PM
Russia is the first to trade petrol in bitcoin,  I think it is nice and other countries will adopt this style of bitcoin. This is the beginning to see bitcoin as the world currency  which is more superior than the dollar.  This will make people to believe in Bitcoin more.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Lucius on March 29, 2022, 10:11:36 AM
Translation: Putin's aggression has weakened the ruble to a ridiculous point.

I would not agree that the situation is as bad as some think or at least want to create the illusion that sanctions have a much greater effect than they actually have. If we look back we can see that in the past 14 years the Russian currency has been in a similar situation.

In 2008, Russia invaded the sovereign nation of Georgia. This invasion and resulting sanctions resulted in a 37.1% drop in the value of the Rubble vs. the U.S. Dollar. In 2014, Russia invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine. The resulting international sanctions resulted in a 60.55% reduction in the value of the Rubble against the U.S. Dollar. This is likely just the beginning of the pain instore for the Rubble over the latest Russian invasion of the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

Of course, this time the decline may be even greater, but the ruble is not in free fall, it is showing signs of recovery (at least temporarily). Russia did not enter this war without preparing well, and given all these sanctions and the war, I expected the ruble to sink much more.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: arwin100 on March 29, 2022, 11:34:00 AM
This is huge for bitcoin developments if this will happen and if Russia will realize that bitcoin is really a great currency to avoid any economic conflicts of the world. But even if they are using it for now the more realistic to happen is the Petro-yuan since for sure they will still rely on their partner country and help each other to strengthen up their countries economic state.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Kakmakr on March 29, 2022, 12:49:46 PM
Can you imagine what will happen with the price of Bitcoin, if Russia start to accept bitcoins as a currency to pay for their oil and gas? Russian Crude Oil exports was reported at 4,653.500 Barrel/Day in Dec 2020.... and in 2019, the world’s top exporters of crude oil were Saudi Arabia ($145bn), Russia ($123bn), Iraq ($73.8bn), Canada ($67.8bn), and the US ($61.9bn).  :o :o :o

Source : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/infographic-how-much-of-your-countrys-oil-comes-from-russia-interactive

Do you think Bitcoin has enough liquidity to fund $123bn of oil exports and that has to go through Russian exchanges to convert it to Fiat currencies. (Most other Crypto exchanges are blocking Russian wallets or Bank accounts linked to them)  ::)


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: ariinv on March 29, 2022, 01:07:23 PM
Russia produces 10.8 million barrels of oil and exports 4.7 Million Barrels per day, if we consider each barrel 100 USD it will be 4700 Million USD more turnovers per day for btc market, but they have considered several modes of payment and the volume of each is vague.

By the way I thinks it's more like BTC Dollar not Petro-BTC


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Captain Corporate on March 29, 2022, 01:25:28 PM

 Venezuela tried this as far as I can remember. When they were doing badly, they had this Petro token in mind, do not know if they managed to do it or not but it would be like one of that tokens would be equal to some petrol, maybe a barrel I do not know. This would allow them to sell quicker, and get a good return and this would allow people to either buy it using the token or just invest regularly. That could be done with Russia as well, people could use tokens to buy them, without actually getting them to their warehouses, just have the ownership but not the barrel itself, and can later sell it when the price goes up.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: wiss19 on March 29, 2022, 06:30:17 PM
Are those terms even matter and what can be their effect? it's normal that local currencies are termed like that because local currencies are the best medium to use for any transactions but right now Russia have a problem with their local currencies due to sanctions, that is why they are considering bitcoins for a while. It's no surprise that bitcoin is going to be termed like that "petro bitcoin" but again, what is so special with that?

I don't think this can drive the mass adoption in cryptos even further but the adoption already started by the time Russia consider bitcoin as an alternative currency. We should forget that Russia is also under sanctions so selling oil and other items is still a part of their problem.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: wiss19 on March 30, 2022, 08:23:21 AM
I agree that Russia could use bitcoin to overcome all these sanctions, but do we really think that petrol would be the way to go? I mean that is something physical and even if they end up selling using crypto, they would still need to send those barrels somewhere, which would mean that indirectly people would use euro to buy crypto, give that crypto to Russia, and Russia will sell that crypto to get ruble which would improve the value of ruble in the end game.

So, the sanctions would be gone and not even be there in that case. Hence the problem is not even being able to buy things, not just about using a different currency to buy them at all.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Lucius on March 30, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
Can you imagine what will happen with the price of Bitcoin, if Russia start to accept bitcoins as a currency to pay for their oil and gas?

You speculate that Russia would start exporting the same amount of oil and gas again, and that all buyers pay with Bitcoin - and this is as realistic as Bitcoin becomes a global currency accepted by more or less all relevant countries. The US has completely banned the import of Russian oil and gas, and the EU is turning to alternative solutions such as LNG terminals and alternative energy sources to make it less dependent on Russian energy.

Politics is a dirty business, but I hope that in a year or two not everything will be forgotten and forgiven, although I have no doubt that the sanctions will be gradually lifted.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: 19Nov16 on March 30, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
Russia is the first to trade petrol in bitcoin,  I think it is nice and other countries will adopt this style of bitcoin. This is the beginning to see bitcoin as the world currency  which is more superior than the dollar.  This will make people to believe in Bitcoin more.

A good signal that the world is soon following what russia is doing, with a growing global community backed bitcoin store that continues to grow even more promising due to its ever-increasing value than fiat that continues to inflate.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: tvplus006 on March 30, 2022, 05:28:32 PM
...If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.

If we look at how new sanctions are being imposed against Russia, we will see that the EU countries are considering the possibility of imposing an embargo on oil supplied by Russia. And if the oil embargo is eventually imposed, then there can be no question of any sale of oil for BTC.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: DrBeer on March 30, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
No, he can not. Everything is very simple - the resource economy of Russia is very dependent on the receipt of foreign currency! The Russian economy cannot exist for a long time without the inflow of foreign currency to serve its highly backward, technologically, economy. They cannot even continue to produce oil and gas without Western technology and equipment, which wears out and needs to be updated regularly. Refusal of foreign exchange earnings will drive Russia into the Stone Age very quickly, because. they do not have their own production or technologies, and there are no other options to get them except by buying from the West.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Lucius on March 31, 2022, 09:58:35 AM
Refusal of foreign exchange earnings will drive Russia into the Stone Age very quickly, because. they do not have their own production or technologies, and there are no other options to get them except by buying from the West.

I am not aware of how dependent Russia is on Western technology, but even if the West lowers the Iron Curtain and no longer trades with Russia, will they not try to circumvent those sanctions through China and India? And these two countries are certainly to some extent dependent on the West, and somehow I do not believe that the same West can afford to impose sanctions on them.

According to media reports, Lavrov went on visits to China and India, where talks are not about time and football, but about how to resist Western pressures and continue doing business as before. Therefore, it seems to me that Russia will find a way to get what it needs, in one way or another.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: DrBeer on April 01, 2022, 01:38:25 PM
Refusal of foreign exchange earnings will drive Russia into the Stone Age very quickly, because. they do not have their own production or technologies, and there are no other options to get them except by buying from the West.

I am not aware of how dependent Russia is on Western technology, but even if the West lowers the Iron Curtain and no longer trades with Russia, will they not try to circumvent those sanctions through China and India? And these two countries are certainly to some extent dependent on the West, and somehow I do not believe that the same West can afford to impose sanctions on them.

According to media reports, Lavrov went on visits to China and India, where talks are not about time and football, but about how to resist Western pressures and continue doing business as before. Therefore, it seems to me that Russia will find a way to get what it needs, in one way or another.

Regarding the throwing of Russia in search of "friends against the West."
1. India and China have personal contradictions - these are issues of disputed territories.
2. India and China - do not consider Russia as a full-fledged partner, but only as a raw material appendage - look at their trade turnover, especially now. Now Russia is crawling in front of them on its knees and is trying to sell them oil and gas at mega-discounts in order to get at least some income in foreign currency.
3. For India and China, trade with Russia is an inconspicuous part, against the backdrop of trade with the West. And she can lose it because of the sanctions against those who try to give Russia a way to bypass the sanctions.

So, the attempts of Lavrov and the bunker Fuhrer to lure India and China to their side is another fake of Russian propaganda.

PS. No, I will not deny the existence of contradictions between India / China and the Western world, but economic stability, for them, is possible only with relations with the developed West and not with depressive, degrading Russia. Moreover, the Chinese have quite serious plans for Russian territories beyond the Urals, and for this they need to wait for the maximum weakening of Russia.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 09, 2022, 07:17:03 AM
...If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.

If we look at how new sanctions are being imposed against Russia, we will see that the EU countries are considering the possibility of imposing an embargo on oil supplied by Russia. And if the oil embargo is eventually imposed, then there can be no question of any sale of oil for BTC.
Sooner or later Europe will not resist anything, they need oil, they need gas, Europe is made up of consumerist countries, just like the USA they need their resources and for them it is everything, so will these countries stop having a good life for another? I really doubt it and I'm sure it won't be like that, the USA already did it, we mustn't forget that it sought out Venezuela to benefit from OIL, etnocs the need translates into doing whatever is necessary to avoid going through bad times. We cannot forget that France already has problems with cooking oil, and the country that exports the most is Argentina and they closed exports, this undoubtedly generates the greatest shortage that can be recorded over time, so despair will not be for RUSSIA, despair will be for Europe and USA.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Ozero on April 10, 2022, 04:32:11 PM
...If russia sold oil in exchange for BTC could this represent yet another major step towards cryptocurrency mass adoption? Will other world leaders view these announcements as a trend for the future.

If we look at how new sanctions are being imposed against Russia, we will see that the EU countries are considering the possibility of imposing an embargo on oil supplied by Russia. And if the oil embargo is eventually imposed, then there can be no question of any sale of oil for BTC.
Sooner or later Europe will not resist anything, they need oil, they need gas, Europe is made up of consumerist countries, just like the USA they need their resources and for them it is everything, so will these countries stop having a good life for another? I really doubt it and I'm sure it won't be like that, the USA already did it, we mustn't forget that it sought out Venezuela to benefit from OIL, etnocs the need translates into doing whatever is necessary to avoid going through bad times. We cannot forget that France already has problems with cooking oil, and the country that exports the most is Argentina and they closed exports, this undoubtedly generates the greatest shortage that can be recorded over time, so despair will not be for RUSSIA, despair will be for Europe and USA.

Europe's dependence on Russia's energy resources - oil, gas and coal is gradually becoming a thing of the past. The countries of Europe have already realized their mistake of dependence on a single and unreliable supplier, which, moreover, periodically blackmails Europe, and have set a course for a complete rejection of Russian energy resources. The Baltic countries have already announced that they will forever refuse Russian energy carriers. European countries have already made a decision to refuse the supply of Russian coal, which will come into force this summer. Now they are looking for opportunities to reorient themselves to other suppliers and rely on "green" alternative energy. This means that in a few years Russia will lose the main source of its income and therefore, on the whole, will lose big.


Title: Re: Could russia be the 1st to embrace a petro BTC
Post by: Dhaniii on April 11, 2022, 12:21:30 AM
Refusal of foreign exchange earnings will drive Russia into the Stone Age very quickly, because. they do not have their own production or technologies, and there are no other options to get them except by buying from the West.

I am not aware of how dependent Russia is on Western technology, but even if the West lowers the Iron Curtain and no longer trades with Russia, will they not try to circumvent those sanctions through China and India? And these two countries are certainly to some extent dependent on the West, and somehow I do not believe that the same West can afford to impose sanctions on them.

According to media reports, Lavrov went on visits to China and India, where talks are not about time and football, but about how to resist Western pressures and continue doing business as before. Therefore, it seems to me that Russia will find a way to get what it needs, in one way or another.

I think Russia will accept Bitcoin as a means of payment for its oil and gas exports to other countries as a move to boost the Russian currency which has lost more than 20% of its value this year.
Some analysts say, Russia would probably benefit from accepting the currently popular cryptocurrency and regardless of the risks involved Sanctions imposed by Britain, the United States (US) and the European Union after the invasion of Ukraine have weighed on the Russian ruble.