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Methods of Coping with Food Shortages and High Prices


Indoor UV Grow Lights

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These can be acquired affordably on amazon and other global distributors. I have 2 that I've used for small plants. They work well, lights with lower power need to be a close distance from plants to be effective. A decent option for interior growers who lack the outdoor growing option.


Outdoor Grafted Fruit Tree

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Most believe only big trees produce fruit. This is due to fruit trees requiring 4+ years of time to go from a planted seed to a fruit producing tree. However, this time scale can be decreased by grafting the branch from a mature tree onto the stem of a juvenile. This process can shave years off the maturing process, allowing relatively small trees to produce fruits in a smaller area. This could open the door to those with limited space having their own trees capable of producing fruits.


Stockpiles of Wheat or Rice

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These are common staple foods for doomsdayers preparing for the end of the world. Which tends to give them a negative reputation, but they were and possibly still are a good solution. Stockpiled wheat can be ground up to make flour. Which can be used to make spaghetti noodles, bread, pizza dough, tortillas, etc. Wheat in cans or buckets for long term storage used to be very cheap and affordable. Rice is very similar except its not as versatile or diverse, in terms of it being used to make many different things.

Wheat used to be a very affordable option, recently prices over the past few years have inflated considerably.


Please share if you have other good information.

I just feel like real estate it way too risky to hold in the long term.

You are not owning the actual real estate but rather the piece of paper that grants you title to the land. Which can be obviously retracted from you at any given time if the government decides to do so.

Also, it's not accessible - there is no access for people with net worth of at least $100-200k in savings.

Cryptoassets and precious metals remain the strongest options in the inflation hedge category imo.

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EDIT: This was before the edit, but still somewhat applicable.

I'm personally prepping canned some canned food but have not moved to full-on self-sufficiency.

Imo the problem is more with inflation and not supply chains, so if you have a few weeks/months of nonperishables prepped, a stable source of income, and inflation hedges, you'll be good.

I posted that response in the wrong thread, it should have gone here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391672.msg59678694#msg59678694

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An easy way to play increasingly high prices are the below ETFs (exchange traded funds, buy & sell like stocks):

Ticker DBA:  Invesco DB Agriculture Fund (various ag commodities)
Ticker CORN:  Teucrium Corn Fund
Ticker WEAT:  Teucrium Wheat Fund

"Paper Food".  If you're OK with just betting on the price movements, the above are very easy assuming you already can buy stocks, and will work (I own some DBA).  Take a look at DBA recent price movements:

https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=DBA&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

having your own plantation is one solution to overcome the problem of rising food prices ... in my own country our president in recent years has promoted actions for citizens to develop their own plantations in their yards, for example planting carrots, chilies, etc,, this raw material will be consumed by the residents themselves or sold back to the market

LOL. The best way to cope with food shortages is to fast.

With the amount of body fat that people around the world have left over, even in poor countries, they have enough reserves to last for many months, just by drinking water and salt.

Just in a post yesterday I was talking about something similar.


There is an idyllic vision of the past that believes it would be wonderful to go back to living in the countryside and working the land and raising animals to produce your food. Those who think that have no idea how much it costs to produce the food they eat all year round, let alone with the variety available to us. And I'm not just talking about money or resources. I'm talking about the physical effort it would take to produce a small part of what you eat.

Growing a few plants indoors and some in small pots will give you two bites but if there is a real situation of serious shortage in the long term, it will not solve anything. And even less if you plant fruits, which will cut off your ketosis.

I don't pray, but whoever does should pray that there is not a serious and long term shortage situation because many people are going to have a very bad time; and planting plants indoors and/or in pots, or having an acre of land will solve little.

Most of those suggestions are just not what everybody can do. If you got a large family and live in an apartment, where are you going to grow all those vegetables? And even if you got the space you probably won’t be able to grow it fast enough.

I agree with stock piling with bulk on some certain food groups. During covid many people bought tons of rice and flour and most are probably going to do that soon.

Making people eat less is not a good solution because even if someone is over weight and can eat less they will suffer in the process.

That's a good point. It normally could be expensive, cost cutting measures are important.

Rather than use plastic nursery pots from home depot, some use 2 liter soda bottles with holes drilled in the bottom. A solo bag of 80 plastic cups costs around $5.00. Those can be used as small planters. For larger sizes a 5 gallon bucket can be used, there are other options. Rather than buy mulch, grass clippings can be used after mowing the lawn. Some fruits like avocados contain good phosphorous content (and assorted minerals) can used as a natural fertilizer. Many items necessary for growing can be repurposed or taken from natural sources.

I think if a single acre of land were covered in tomato plants or something with a rapid production. It is possible to produce a yearly diet. For amateur growers. Professional farmers claim to grow 20 to 30 pounds of tomatos per plant. I am certainly nowhere near approaching those yields. I'm still learning and trying different things with my growing, so perhaps later I'll have a better idea of what the hard limitations are.

Even if its not possible to fully satisfy 365 days per year of diet. Being able to fill a few days or weeks per year can make a difference.

Another trending economy for food availability and affordability is the Vertical Farming and Semi Autotrophic Hydroponics (SAH), though they are both seminar in techniques and its capital intensive in practice, but promising a high yield of about 98% productivity, it is sometimes referred to as precision farming and done in a screen house.

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 source  (https://www.google.com/search?q=hydroponics+farming&client=ms-android-transsion-tecno-rev1&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=APq-WBsV8l1NqQ56TjduFDdUHVShvb6QaA:1648646661384&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdn_K09-32AhVJrxoKHeddCkAQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=664&dpr=2)

This advance farming techniques were developed to increase food availability and ease of farming practice with maximum result and lessen the use of manual labour, thereby increasing food nutrition and eradicating hunger and diseases.

farming is an alternative in overcoming food shortages and high prices, but before we start farming, try to apply the existing risks, such as crop failure, pests, bad climate
wouldn't that be a waste of time?
but there is nothing wrong if we try to cultivate properly if it is enough for 1-2 days and the growth cycle can cover our need

hydroponic farming, in my opinion, which is very efficient compared to using land where hydroponic farming can be done in the garden of the house without having to look for vacant land

Food shortages and high prices are something inevitable. Farming like this not only takes time but you also have to develop the necessary skills . Therefore there are few things that you can do:

1. Instead of then big shops go to the local food markets
2. Go to the local farmers
3. Look for sustainable options, vegan and vegetarian one's can actually help the environment and prices in the long run
4. Curb practices of hoarding food, by the government and the organizations that exploit people using such tactics
5. There are government owned ration shops as well selling at low prices
6. Using the natural crops growing in that area, lowering the Exports as well

These growlights from Hydrogen's screenshot are complete garbage. There are so many people buying them on aliexpress and then wondering what da hell is wrong with their plants :D

Growing is a great hobby but in case with current situation in the world, most food shortages are happening due to demand deviation, not because humanity is running out of food. Seems like we can't avoid such situations.

I have 2 grow lights, which I've used for years.

The light has to be positioned as close to the plant as possible to be effective.

Many place the light 2 or 3 feet above the plant, which is too great a distance.

What plants are you growing? Parsley? Dill? These light might be fine for vegetation but I can hardly believe that after flowering it may give a decent weight.
If you ever decide to buy new lights then consider buying a good samsung LED quantum board with dimmer. It would be better than both of these Chinese LED combined. Using them is a real pleasure.


It could burn your plants to ashes if these lamps had real 600wt or 1000wt of power.
Did you try to measure the power or lm of these chinese lamps from the 1st pic? I'm curious what is their real power.

This should not even be a discussion. Think about it, the whole world is full of water and land, two of the most important things that you need for farming. If the world wanted to, we have the power to feed everyone twice, like twice more than what we need basically, and literally give everyone ANYTHING they want to eat. Why don't we? Because it is not profitable, why would we do something that would cost a lot of money without a proper return.

Farming is basically dying, even though it looks better in some places, the long story short is the fact that it is not growing as fast as the food needs and right now logistics is getting even worse because of oil prices. So here we are, talking about "coping with food shortages", it should not even be a thing.

Cope with food shortages and high prices...
Buy a 1000W junk lamp for 50$, wait 5 months for it to be delivered from China, and then ask yourself why are you paying twice more for electricity than buying the food directly.
Better buy an S9, it will definitely make you more money that the plant pot, unless you plant pot.  :D


You can't graft trees younger than 3 years, you have to wait for them to grow that big,  besides, grafting is not for that, it's made to improve the plant or for reproduction, trying to get fruits from a young tree will simply put more stress on its growth reducing the overall amount of fruits you will get from it over his lifespan. You might be able to grow a small lemon tree in an apartment but you'll soon realize you paid 10$ for each of the 10 lemons it made a year.
The second problem is that you're basically forfeiting the advantage vegetables would have when growing them in pots, you restrain the combination of nutrients, so you either use supplements (again $) or you end with the same taste as industrial grown low-cost junk.


Plants follow the light, feeding them light only from one angle is putting additional stress on their growth as sprouting more leaves upside will give them no benefit so they tend to have a thinner trunk, larger leaves, everything abnormal.


Huge costs with equipment, water, electricity, manpower, that's why they all go bankrupt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370718.msg58579347#msg58579347):
https://www.ft.com/content/0e3aafca-2170-4552-9ade-68177784446e


Not really:

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I have avocados which are within the 18-36 inch recommended graft height, that are younger than 3 years.

If a small tree is in a bucket, with holes in the bottom, placed on soil. Earthworms will find their way into it to provide castings. There were many earthworms in the pots of things replanted. I supplement my soil with grass cuttings and other organic waste in an effort to provide a variety of nutrients.

"Organic" potting soil I bought in walmart hardens into a concrete like substance if it dries out. It is very necessary to mix other things in with potting soil for it to perform at a bare minimum.

Other brands of soil I got in stores have a strange water repelling trait. Water sprayed on the surface will bead and refuse to be absorbed by the soil. Which also needs supplements mixed into it.

Actually avocados, if you plant them on soil and they gets big over the years, would be a good way to cope with food shortages.

They get very big and you can be eating avocados for about 6 months. They give you high quality fat that will make you go without being hungry (or less hungry) if other foods are scarce. The only thing is that they require a lot of water, if you live in a place where it usually rains a lot it is not a problem, but if not you will have to water them regularly.

If the government were only supporting farmers very hard so that they could plant more. Imagine no accessible roads and also farmers are getting paid a very small amount or their produce is only bought for cheap prices. This makes farmers want to quit and just go to the city to find construction jobs. If we can just prevent this because this will lead to food shortages, as an individual, what is really the best way to cope with food shortages is to have our own backyard garden. I know most of the things mentioned here are like fruit trees, but this will take years, right, but in your backyard garden you just need to plant vegetables? This will take only a few weeks or months.

This is way easier in India. Most of the houses have structure where there is terrace. This is according to weather. Since there is no snow, there is always plenty of space on the roof. We need to store the water in over head tank which is delivered by government supply once everday for few hours. This is the way it works here.

So most of them have water tanks, space, and plenty of sunlight. Easy to grow hydro-ponic farms are new trend in here.

The whole thing started in the lock down when peeps had nothing to do but sit at home. There was huge trend on the social media as everyone started taking the pics, making videos of how they are growing the little farm on the terrace.

Like zero investment here may be all because of the way architecture of the house is and weather is.

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This is also widely changes whether you are in the Tier 1 Metro cities or sub-urban cities. The first one has big tower housing so that wont be an option.
But for the rest of India, the houses are mostly with big rooftop so easy to manage for such work.

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May be this would be more cheap in here. However, India being the agricultural country, most of the families here have their own Agricultural land. Not all but most of them!

This method works only once. You will eat all your grown vegetables during 1 meal :D Then you will have to wait months till next harvest. And before that wait months before these light will be delivered. lol. Google say human can survive about 10 days without food and water. Good luck with these lamps. All your suggestion are long term investment. It is too late to use them as a method to survive now.

Of course, it is not possible to meet all needs, but honestly, each individual's awareness of the role food plays will contribute to reducing poverty in the future. Anyway, people soon realize that sharing love and help is the solution to a good life, competing for self-interest and a controlling mindset will only lead us to destroy our own lives.

Ok, I don't know about avocados, I'm from Europe and I'm quite sure any avocado tree left outside for a week in winter will be dead with our climate, trees that grow further south do grow faster so it might be possible to graft them at 2. The only trees we've been experimenting with are cherry and plum trees and those don't get the girth thickness so young, not in central europe.


Two major reasons, all because the ones selling it are some cheap bastards.
The first reason would be too much clay, they did too deep when getting their soil or they mix good soil with cheap brown one, which does have a lot of clay and sand, and those things no matter how much they are mixed they wills till format layer. The second is when they throw a ton of replacement for peat moss in the organic ones, and of course, again they rush it, sawdust from hardwood is usually the killer there, tons of carbon no nitrogen, and there are a lot more. If your soil forms that it's better to completely change it, next it will be white fungus starting to grow around.


If things are so easy to do in India, why does the country (https://docs.wfp.org/api/documents/WFP-0000117811/download/?_ga=2.262188741.854084085.1598210713-1475771515.1598210713) have the same number of people experiencing food shortages as the whole Africa?
Every time I hear the same, things are so easy to do in India, agriculture is easy to do there, electricity is cheap there because you have sun, manufacturing is easy there because of cheap labor, technological development is easy because you have tons of smart people, every single thing is easy to do there but what a surprise, nothing gets done.


With the biggest 100 cities in the world getting an average of over 4k/sqkm in their urban area and see reaching over 30k, good luck having with the backyard garden plan, reminds me of the bunny plan by Maduro (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/14/venezuela-president-maduro-rabbit-plan).

Unfortunately this is getting out of hand in my nation as well and sad enough we got used to it already. Any simple food is getting super high, it is getting to a level where it is not even worth getting it. The interesting thing is, some stuff are not that high, like potato has always been a cheap thing and it is still a cheap thing, the price didn't even change all that much at all, but for example cabbages became like 20x more expensive, unreal levels, why would you buy cabbages if they are that expensive? Like is there really a reason for it? When there are cheaper options available?

So, this situation made sure that we can eat some foods normally, whereas other foods are totally unrealistic to get, and that makes no sense to me but that's the life we are living like that's normal.

Advance technology such as crops hybridization and biotechnology has proven with effectual use of second felial generation of exotic breeds in plant, whereby you can get a normal tree that takes 5 to 7 years before flowering to start fruiting in not more than 3 years with well developed structures and still arrived with a better results, those plant that are given an intensive management care system tend to do well than the open field crops which got affected with many environmental factors.

A hybrid tree can be grated at 2 years old and by the third years fruiting is initiated, we have different techniques that can be used to induce flowering and this will hasten the productivity schedule and longetivity in bearing fruits.

Let me guess, you never been to India.

I dont know, how to put everything infront of you, but the way things work in India can only be experienced by you if you were here.
India is not a small country mate. India houses over 1,403,643,260 peeps. The area is spread over 1,269,219 sq miles.

After Independence India's constitution was drafted by taking into consideration all the cultures, religions, castes and more differentiating factors at the time.

Before independence British made sure that there will always be fight amongst the peeps living in India and they did it by keeping the religion as first breaking factor while castes (lower, middle and upper) as second card in their court.

The pre-independence India was completely torn apart by Mughals, Muslims, Portugees and Britishers. Everyone just fled away with huge assets from India. At the time Gold was most abundant along with arts of fabricating clothes, artefacts, furniture, and most importantly they looted everything precious from the king states at the time.

By the time 1947 came in, Britishers already taught everyone that India is country with different Castes. The castes were made based on the skills they carried.

For example,
Maratha became Warriors,
Brahmin became teachers,
Sonar became Goldsmiths,
Shimpi became Fabricators
and so on.

There are main castes which then divided into 3000 castes and 25,000 sub-castes in India.

When Independence day came in, Britishers with some political influence divided India into Pakistan and India. This was based on the Religion that is Hindu and Muslim.

Why are we going through the History?

Well, during British rule; India fought for its freedom, they changed the whole course of India and mindsets of Indian peeps.
After Independence, The Constitution of India was formed.

It was NOT easy to write a constitution that will give EQUALITY to every person living in India since some foreigners already screwed everything for their benefits!

However, it took 395 articles in 22 parts and 8 schedules to form it and giving Equality, Secularism, Integrity to everyone. Irrespective of Caste and Religion.
This formed worlds largest active Constitution.

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1) India suffered a lot for its freedom.
2) India was left alone with their own decisions after 80+ years of ruling by British.
3) Before British came in, there was proper development, mixed culture, kingly and Princely states working in Harmony.
4) It would have developed India at alarming rate through trades and investment.
5) Foreign rule took the opportunity to shut Indians when it was actually time for them to go modern.

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Slowly Indian Government evolved a lot. But it was hard to connect all the cities and all the states in India.
Due to cultural diversity most of the people started living in their respective cultures, castes and religions. However, the challenge was still accepted to connect all these dots and it took India huge cost.

Setting up the Schooling and higher education system was another great challenge for India.
Due to caste system the Internal fight was still up on who will get the education and who will not. Girls were not allowed to take the education. From the boys only higher casted one were able to get the education.

These kinda roadblocks came in front of India all the time.

The Education is the vital part of everyones life to understand the unity, living standards and power to control the countries growth. However India lacked this in the Initial Days.

HOWEVER,

after 72 years of freedom, India has grown to next level mate.

Yes, I agree there is some difference between distribution system of ...
1)Food
2)Shelter
3)Education

It may not yet even, but that has big history of 150 years! India is still Prospering.

If you can throw an article which states how India is having under nutrition then I can also put up article where they state how India's growth is highest in the world.

FYI: You should have read the article before quoting it. It does say this and matches with the India's path from freedom towards the Prosperity:

From the same Article that you referred, India is already trying its best to overcome these situations by arranging various programs such as School feeding, subsidising of nutritions food.

These are needed because there are differences in the way everyone earn their salary.
Many of the families are still away from education because of various challenges in front of them.

Despite the fact India has already emerged as IT, Mechanical and Pharmaceutical hub and not to mention most of the foreign companies set their businesses in India for its cheap labour, real estate and earn big load from it.

If you live in USA your Government has set out the rules to give minimum wagers on hourly basis however salary system does not work in that format in India.
India still leads the jobs based on the education and skills.

There is huge huge difference between everyone's salary based on what everyone studied.

Before you counter argue, everything above is interconnected and justifies why there are some downfalls in India but things are changing. India is already having working population of 45%. Remaining % constitutes to farmings, businesses, overseas employment etc.

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So yes, there are many easy things but numerous road blocks which I dont think a foreigner would understand if they did not taste the air here.
In short everyone knows how their family situation is behind the wall but no one expresses it in-front of neighbours.

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***Please note that this post is not hatred speech, I mean no harm to any culture, religion, caste, ethnicity. The post is made to understand the history, its relation to the current situation of country and nothing more. All the information above is already available throughout the internet.***

Agriculture is good and it is almost what everyone would recommend, but let's ask ourselves really, unless you get into commercial or large scale agriculture on time, how long can that your little farm save you from food shortages and high prices if the situation becomes prolonged? I don't think you will go far surviving on that talk less of if you have a family.

for me, the best solution to cope with food shortages and high prices is to get into the food business either directly or indirectly. That is to stop being just a consumer. If you can get into the business, and invest in either wholesaling or retailing, you will always have food and can always adjust your prices according to inflation, such that people who are only consumers offset the effects of the high prices of things for you.

Exactly the attitude I despise the most!
Bragging about hardship, bragging about things that don't matter like population and religion and the wrath of gods and the martian invasion, and never once admitting how much wrong stuff goes there.

Why do I need to go to India when your country continuously asks for help with millions of tons of food and then brags about donating one ton?
When both the UN and UNICEF are telling 240 million people to live with food shortages and 60 million children are in the same situation, who should I trust, a nationalist on a forum that lies to people about how great their country is or their own officials?


Because you need excuses, that's why!
There are countries that have never been independent till ww1, with their citizens never experiencing freedom in their empire, and are doing now 10 times better even after two world wars that nearly razed Europe to the ground. Why is South Korea so advanced when they were even poorer than India in the 60?
Stop blaming the English and Porthugees for everything, it's not the English that are shiting on your beaches, those are your own people, The war between your own population couldn't have happened if people wouldn't be so eager to kill each other for stupid reasons.
You had 80 years, in 20 years Japan from a destroyed country with wooden houses no mineral resources no agriculture turned out into a global superpower, wonder why some can and India doesn't and there is no excuse.

So stop with the excuses, man up, and face reality!


Put the source for that  :D
There is a difference between the process of grafting and the requirement for that, if the tree you're going to graft hasn't fully developed in two years grafting won't produce any other effect than some thin branches for the next year with a few fruits and a really stressed trunk that can't support the weight. If you want an indoor tree in a pot, sure you can try it but don't expect the fruits to last more than a weekend, and without friends coming in the visit.
Yeah sure, I've seen apples giving 3-4 fruits at 2 years, and then taking another 7 years to reach maturity instead of 5.

The fact that you are still arguing on the negative side and not focusing on what your article itself pointed out, amuses me in what way you thinking about it.
Man up and read again. You should really read that article one more time.

South Korea? You could have come up with better administration example I guess.

Oh yes yes, Europe hnn?
Two days ago UK's Truss and Russia's Lavrov were in India to visit PM. Wondering why they need help from the shitty people like Indians?  ::)
Oh no they screwed up with war, poor people want to have good allies for future? Ohhww, sad kitty face!

The fact that English shit got cleared by Indian's made you go faster in the past.
No wonder why they visit India till date to get talents for their MNC's. I have seen the way UK and USA works. Put up mock person in the interview get hired and get nice classy pay-scale.

The whole service and client support still comes from India. Just having nice classical perfume and wearing suit mean nothing, you gotta have functional skills in the skull.

No wonder how you are still arguing about the negative part of it. You forgot the para where developments were stated and how the country is prospering.
You can still counter argue on this, but facts wont change mate.

Anyways, I heard the agricultural export has rose a lot from India after some shortage in western hemisphere. Ohhw, poor Indians, still helping out the rulers.

Facts? Ok, let's talk facts cause you really need a spank back to reality!
India, vs...a tiny country called the Netherlands?


You're not even managing to beat a country that you can barely pinpoint on the map, and even if we talk about wheat alone, Europe still beats in production by 20%. Imagine that a country with 1.5 billion is not able to match a patch of land that would be submerged if they had the same flushing toilets as you.


Skills? What skills?
You mean reciting the same manual over and over and doing the whole work cheaper than the electricity a robot would require.
That is your pride? Call center operators?


South Korea: GDP per capita 35,196
India: GDP per capita 2,116   

Lol....why don't you compare yourself to Botswana , but even those have a 3 times bigger GDP per capita than India.
Oh, in case you're as bad at math as in every other aspect, South Korea has a GDP per capita that is 15! bigger than India.
Let that sink in! 15 times!

Aye man, you are so boring. You keep talking about only things which can counter part the negative side.

Seriously, you can only think about BPO, Toilets and stuff?

Really? No Google CEO, Twitter CEO?
Infosys, Infotech, Sciformix, TATA,?
Now I know I’m talking with a person who just want to show India as dusty nation.

You can still come down here, will pop a beer for ya!! Guests are welcomed, irrespective of Love or hatred.

Because this way we can end up rewriting the Wikipedia with our argument.

Being a city dweller with literally no vacant land nearby, my only option is to hoard by buying extra whenever I can. Mostly rice and beans, which keeps long enough if stored properly, and canned goods.

If your climate allows it and you have a plot of land you can grow sweet potatoes, cassava and taro. These are low-maintenance root crops that could extend your rice stores. Bananas/plantains are also good, they are basically a no-season crop since it replaces itself with new suckers.


I guess that's what the food store is for. Hoard as much as you can, gtfo away from cities and start planting, living off your hoard while you wait for the harvest. I guess even if it's possible to grow lots of food indoors its still advisable to move to more rural areas.

All people that have fled India and have renounced their citizenship for a US one.
If those are smart people you admire then there might be a problem with your way of thinking, looking at how easily they've ditched theirs.


Of course, because that's what you always do, try to distort numbers and facts, from beating Alexander the Great to leading the world in technology, when numbers and facts tell something different. And you have the nerve to laugh about South Korea, lol, 1/15!

Have fun believing everything, be proud of others' achievements that have nothing to do with yours, try to discredit others to bring them down to your level, and then at the end of the day you're going to ask why you're left behind. This is the main difference between us, we understand the problems we have, we deeply criticize them, we're looking for the future, not dwelling in some stupid dark age mentality, and the results are clear as the sky on a summer day.

1/15!

Both can be used to make alcohol. ;D
If hard times come I'm going to focus on setting up a distillery. My father used to make wine and mead 20 years ago, maybe it's going to become profitable again when we start facing shortages like the Russians already are.


I used to do that a bit for "medical and spiritual purposes" :D Most LED lights are a waste of money. People who are serious about growing plants and can't afford expensive professional lights don't use that crappy chinese stuff. We use basically 2 types of lights: fluorescent tubes or bulbs (good for young plants) and discharge lamps either sodium (more natural) or metal-halide. To make plants feel more natural and grow stronger you induce wind in the room to make them sway and switch lights off for a few hours a day to simulate night.

 ;D

Ouch!
I knew that you will pull the card of fled the country.

I am still not convinced with your explanations because you pin pointed only negative bullets. Which are also now recovering and moving towards good future.

What happening is whenever I’m saying IT you saying BPO, for Pharmaceutical R&D’s you saying Toilets, For skills you saying sticks. So the conversation is not going in proper direction.

Be thankful that guy is running Google making you billions in taxes.  ::)

I did not read any article before posting on what i said, its base on what i know, well to say the fact i studied agriculture but i don't necessarily need provings on that, i believe alot that knows about what i said could testify in that regards. but as you insisted on proving with an article i think this could show a little light more https://www.google.com/amp/s/scialert.net/fulltext/amp.php%3fdoi=ajps.2004.636.641
please ensure you take note of the  abstract and the heading that says "effect of age on rootstock".

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Pls this is a discussion and not an argument.

We couldn't rely on all our food needs on our grown fruits and vegetables but at least, it could ease too many expenses and we'll be able to save and allocate it to our other necessities. It's better to plant and wait for 10 months to harvest what we saw than to wait for nothing. It can't sustain us continuously but it could also help us save.

I think there's no universal answer, and it heavily depends on the details. Does the person live in rural or urban area? How high is the inflation rate? Are there severe food shortages? Are there electricity shortages or any risks of those? Is there running water and a risk of being left without it? What's the climate?
I'm not just making these questions up randomly, I'm formulating them based on what's going on in various regions of my country, Ukraine, which is currently hit by war. If it's urban area, it'll be difficult to grow foods on a level significant enough to make a food difference. If it's a rural area and the shortages are due to events like a war, there's a very high chance that there won't be any electricity (so lamps won't help) for long periods of time, and there can be water shortages as well.
If the inflation even hits 100% (and I'm saying this from experience because it happened when I was a university student in my country), this doesn't mean it's the end and you'll starve to death. It means you'll be able to afford very significantly less than before, and if you salary wasn't good before, you probably need to find a second job. But food shortages won't necessarily follow, so no need to buy loads of wheat which, let's be honest, you won't use anyway unless you're at a starving point (and inflation doesn't do that).
Essential and very useful things are those you can eat without cooking, those that can last for at least months without electricity, and those that can help satiate hunger. Nowadays, there are many protein bars, oatmeal bars and stuff like that, which can be super helpful in difficult times: they're small, very long-lasting, generally tasty (so you'll probably be willing to eat them even in case things work out well), and give your organism energy.

Mung Beans is also good for long term storage, it was used by the revolution army here in our place, it is also versatile in different kinds of food combined with wheat and other vegetables. Rice is also a good choice, there are different kinds of rice here locally, and they can also be grinded and used just like wheat flour, and the best part is this these are too cheap.

Since you are talking about food shortage, i am curious to know whether you are from Sri Lanka as the country is going through food shortage simply because of the non scientific decisions taken by the government without much thought process and forcing every farmer from inorganic farming to organic farming in a short period of time.

You can start farming to overcome foot shortages and high prices but the limitation depends upon the area you have and since you are talking about wheat, you need a large area to cultivate wheat. If area is not a constraint then you can farm literally anything.

Since you touched history, Mughals were initially invited by a landlord to invade Panipat and defeat the ruling king and Babur defeated Sultan Ibrahim Lodi and made his kingdom, since you mention Muslims, the first mosque in India was built in 629 AD in Kerala and Muhammad Bin Qasim invaded Sindh in 712 AD at a young age of 17 and he died at 20  ;D. I am telling this because if there is a view of Muslims came after the invasion of Muhammad Bin Qasim, that is not true  ;).

When it comes to Portuguese, Vasco da Gama landed in Kerala for trade and commerce and we invited them and then later invaded parts of India and they are the last to leave India well after the Independence even after the British left in 1961  :D.

Even British came to India as East India trading company for trade and commerce and later invaded, the common theme is everyone was invited and then they showed their military strength with the support of locals who got favors for helping them.

I know that Europe has had problems on some items, and here the need comes into play that no one in the world escapes from it, to handle this type of problem that most people panic is what the Venezuelans did when they did not they had a place to buy food, and that is, trying to buy basic foodstuffs, everything you can have to resist possible economic shocks and inflation that can plague you, as in Europe most countries are close to going, it is good to go to others to make markets and try to have it saved, on the basis that they take care of the expiration dates.

In Venezuela, the country under which they helped to get food is Colombia and Brazil, despite the fact that both countries sold very expensive or sell expensive some food, Venezuelans made and make the effort to buy it, this is a strategy to be able to cope with this type of crisis.

This only works if the person has sufficient landscape to produce those bearing fruits- but yea, unfortunately not all people has the necessary land space for this. Though the suggestions are feasible, like you mentioned, the best possible thing to do to cope with food shortages is to purchase bulk orders and stock them as soon as possible. With high prices come high demand, it is but necessary but to purchase more before prices do increase further in the future.

Personally, this is a problem that the government must addressed to its citizens. They must come up with a mechanism that combat food shortages and high prices as inflation is increasing.

but another thing to worry about for most is the financial capability to make those big purchases for stocks. a lot of families are just earning enough for their basic expenses so they don't have the capability to buy extra. if you have a family with little to no budget for extra supplies, maybe, you can also evaluate your food expenditures. check if you are buying unnecessary things that are only going to waste. sometimes, we just neglect some foods and haven't used it up until we can't consume anymore. assess the budget where it really ends up with. maybe, there are some items you are purchasing not worth your penny. bottomline, be frugal. don't buy luxury things if you are in a tight budget. live within your means.

Same thought I have in my mind before but I think that will only happen if you plant in small quantities but what if you have a big farm? and you also have other kinds of food to eat, not only the ones that you are planting. They can still last for a long time. Also not all vegetables grows longer like a month or two but there are also that grows faster like for a week only or it can be lesser than that.

For the fruits, the OP already shown an example how we can save time waiting for them to grow but for the delivery of the lamps, there might be delays depending on which country you live but I think they are also available locally. You can just buy them straight away.

Thank you for making such a very good point. Not every family has such an amount of money to be stocking up on food stuff. Most of them can only afford just regular stuff that they buy on a daily. So, the best thing that they can do for themselves when the situation is bad and things in the market gets costly is to work on their expenses.

It would be best for them to reduce the level of expenses that they are making and cut off on the unnecessary things that they do not need. Whatever expenses that they are making in a time like that should be only on things that are necessary for them or should I say their needs and not unnecessary wants.

First of all you do not get to know when the prices of things in the market would go down. So, if you’re going to be buying all these things you have mentioned here like a bag of wheat and rice, you are still going to be buying them at a really high price.

So, my own suggestion is that these things are not the things that you should wait till there is a situation of high cost of food before you start buying them. these are things you should be buying on a regular even when things are cheap and storing them in your house as long as they are going to last and not spoil. So, if there happens to be such a situation, you will be sure that the ones that you have already stocked up will last you for some time before you start talking about buying new ones. And before you start buying again,you must have at least gathered some enough money to start doing that.

Great idea! The beans will also give you gas to keep you warm ;)