Title: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Coinshots on March 29, 2022, 03:58:17 PM Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that transferring cryptocurrencies should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers.
Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that transferring cryptocurrencies should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers. Tang, who heads the E.U. Parliament’s Subcommittee on Tax Matters, called the pushback against the upcoming crypto AML regulation “another social media storm by crypto bros.” The crypto industry in Europe is set to fight yet another battle in its war against stifling regulation. This time, the fight is aimed against the European Commission and its latest proposal to extend AML requirements for cryptocurrency wallets. The revision of the Transfer of Funds Regulation (TFR), first proposed in July 2021, will extend the obligation of financial institutions in the E.U. to accompany transfers of funds with information about who is sending and who is receiving the transaction. The proposal itself represents the practical implementation of the existing FATF travel rule that requires crypto service providers to KYC their customers and is set to be amended in a vote on Thursday, March 31st. As the bill provides no guidance as to how a crypto service should verify unhosted wallets, this will mean that many will decide to forego transacting with them altogether. Those that continue transacting with unhosted wallets will be required to report all transactions over €1,000. This caused a stir in the crypto community, with many calling this a blatant violation of privacy. Those backing the bill, however, seem undeterred by this. Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament serving as the chair of its Subcommittee on Tax Matters, called the public outcry “another social media storm by crypto bros.” “Just like bank transfers, transferring crypto like Bitcoin should be accompanied with information about the person sending and receiving the funds,” he wrote on Twitter earlier today. Tang compared holding cryptocurrencies to holding cash, saying they’re both stored without the involvement and knowledge of anyone else—including the government. But, unlike cash, cryptocurrencies are extremely mobile and operate in a borderless world, which increases the likelihood they’ll end up “in the wrong place,” he explained. “So the identity of unhosted wallet-holders needs identification—just like you need to identify yourself when you deposit money at the bank. And we want authorities to be notified in case any one person receives a total of €1,000 from unhosted wallets. That is a red flag.” He said that the threshold of €1,000 in total is an attempt to disable “smurfing” when tracking crypto transactions. Smurfing refers to the act of sending transfers smaller than the limit required by AML regulation, which usually stands at around $10,000. The varying price of cryptocurrencies means that thresholds like these are hard to enforce, which is why the E.U. believes it would be more productive to cover basically all crypto transfers. Tang says that despite what members of the crypto industry say, these are important tools to fight money laundering and terrorist financing. However, the future of the crypto industry in the E.U. might not become as bleak as Tang wants it to. Previous attempts to introduce regulation as stifling as this one was rejected by the E.U. parliament and there’s a high likelihood we could see this happening again. Source: https://www.coinshots.com/news/member-of-the-e-u-parliament-says-crypto-transactions-shouldnt-be-anonymous Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: fiulpro on March 29, 2022, 04:21:57 PM If they would require information just like the bank transfers then what would be the difference between transferring cryptocurrencies and transferring the money through banks since information would eventually need:
1. Third parties 2. Documentation 3. Government involvement to get the information straight This would convert it into nothing but fiat now, this is something that we cannot just shoot aside. You can already see that we do need KYC everywhere which is already jumping on the government involvement as well. They just might to try and dominate the market one way or the other which I do think is not something any crypto user would want. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Beerwizzard on March 29, 2022, 06:02:56 PM It is pretty logical if he is talking regarding businesses accepting crypto as payment. For some people it is pretty naïve to believe that companies start accepting thousand $ worth of crypto. It doesn't work like this with fiat and there is absolutely no reason to change it for crypto. Seriously, try to take lots of cash and try ty make an expensive purchase somewhere in US or EU. Lovely visit to the police is guaranteed.
This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services which we already have and €1,000 threshold for it which is a fairy high number ( at least better than complete KYC for all crypto transactions). Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Cryptions on March 29, 2022, 09:23:58 PM There now coming in very fast pace news about intentions & will to tighten "crypto rules". As i've stated on various posts, it's going to be a nightmare from the privacy point of view. It's going to kill innovation or at least set so high barrier of entry that bootstrapping teens can't anymore launch projects which disturbs technology. That's bad in general, and the crypto community should try to push some really decentralized solutions that simply can not controlled. The orginal idea how to get Bitcoins, i.e. mining, is nice... it wasn't nice years later to get bank account closed because of transfering money to some crypto exchange and so on. So, there's coming a lot more not nice things with increasing regulation.
Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: CaVO32 on March 29, 2022, 09:30:58 PM It is pretty logical if he is talking regarding businesses accepting crypto as payment. For some people it is pretty naïve to believe that companies start accepting thousand $ worth of crypto. It doesn't work like this with fiat and there is absolutely no reason to change it for crypto. Seriously, try to take lots of cash and try ty make an expensive purchase somewhere in US or EU. Lovely visit to the police is guaranteed. This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services which we already have and €1,000 threshold for it which is a fairy high number ( at least better than complete KYC for all crypto transactions). This is already happening to some extent. But for some p2p services and if you are using a trusted platform, there's no need of full KYC. There are some instances that you do need to disclose your identity especially if you are using a legal 3rd party service provider that are operating under their government's jurisdiction. And most centralized exchanges are now also asking for compulsory KYC, so this is not new anymore. Though there are still services that we can pay anonymously but the number of merchants requiring KYC for crypto services are now growing. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: palle11 on March 29, 2022, 09:46:51 PM Is there a possibility for what he is asking for to happen? He is visibly asking for regulation and I don't know how he intend to achieve this except he will legislate that exchange around his country or operating with his country people begin to register with KYC with the exchange. If he wants to monitor the transactions made, he would better read bitcoin white paper and understand the working.
Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: mikeywith on March 29, 2022, 11:45:45 PM This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services It doesn't say so. Quote "Just like bank transfers, transferring crypto like Bitcoin should be accompanied with information about the person sending and receiving the funds,” he wrote on Twitter earlier today." They are talking about all transfers, just like the last regulation of Coinbase, if you reside in Canada, Japan, or Singapore you are required to provide information about the recipient even if you were sending them to an individual. And most centralized exchanges are now also asking for compulsory KYC, so this is not new anymore. There is a difference between doing your KYC on the exchange once vs having to write the name and/or physical address of the person you are sending your crypto to. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: odolvlobo on March 30, 2022, 04:51:40 AM Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that paying in cash should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers. Would he also say that? Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Moneyprism on March 30, 2022, 06:18:52 AM “Just like bank transfers, transferring crypto like Bitcoin should be accompanied with information about the person sending and receiving the funds,” he wrote on Twitter earlier today. just like your members of parliament as usual,, they just want to control other people like the world is theirs ... the choice to transact with crypto is the right of people because they want security and anonymity, is it wrong when people choose to transact using crypto to protect their privacy? now is a free era, where people are free to choose what they will do with their assets and the government has no right to intervene in that Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Kakmakr on March 30, 2022, 07:17:55 AM Bitcoin and Crypto currencies are an alternative to Cash ..... so is Paul Tang saying that all cash transactions should also not be anonymous? The pseudo anonymity are not designed to protect the criminals.. it was designed to protect the user of the technology.
Just imagine a scenario where every owner of a wallet (Bitcoin address) was public... Criminals would have had access to all the names of the wealthy Bitcoin whales and owners of a lot of coins. (Your neighbor will know all your spending habits and how many coins you have) Nobody would be using the technology if ownership of all coins was public knowledge.... and once it is centralized, people lose control over their ownership of their tokens. (Exchanges have control over your Private keys) ::) Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 30, 2022, 07:24:53 AM Source: https://www.coinshots.com/news/member-of-the-e-u-parliament-says-crypto-transactions-shouldnt-be-anonymous OP, I'm about to ask you more than once why you copy forum posts from your site, and post a link to them, at a time when the original information was taken by you from other sources? In this way, you promote your site, which has nothing original, by regularly providing news, copying from the Internet. It's not exactly the right business. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: PrivacyG on March 30, 2022, 08:31:02 AM Those that continue transacting with unhosted wallets will be required to report all transactions over €1,000. They keep lowering down the numbers and it is starting to get annoying and frustrating. Anti Money Laundering limits on bank accounts, threshold for anonymous precious metal orders, the US looking to investigate all transactions over $400, trying to make Cryptocurrency transactions over €1,000 non anonymous. They are full on against us and our rights which only makes me want to love Bitcoin more.These are not sums they would need to investigate for Money Laundering, Terrorism Funding and whatnot. The real sums going through these crimes are impressively massive but they get a pass. Who does not get a pass is us, the peasants they do not want or need to be rich or free. After €1,000 Cryptocurrency treshold for reporting they will start asking for reports of transactions over €500. Then for all of them. Does anyone ever notice how sly they are in doing this? Was it Germany that kept decreasing the threshold for anonymous precious metal purchases all the way down to €1,000 or €2,000 and after cumulative purchases worth €10,000 you get reported to the Anti Money Laundering guys? The bad guys move millions and billions but are never caught. You move $1,000? You have to be monitored and controlled. They seem to try generalizing and normalizing the idea that you are suspect of crime for sending $100 to your family or paying $1,000 on a peaceful vacation. No thank you, I rather have a free life. - Regards, PrivacyG Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Beerwizzard on March 30, 2022, 10:41:45 AM It is pretty logical if he is talking regarding businesses accepting crypto as payment. For some people it is pretty naïve to believe that companies start accepting thousand $ worth of crypto. It doesn't work like this with fiat and there is absolutely no reason to change it for crypto. Seriously, try to take lots of cash and try ty make an expensive purchase somewhere in US or EU. Lovely visit to the police is guaranteed. This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services which we already have and €1,000 threshold for it which is a fairy high number ( at least better than complete KYC for all crypto transactions). This is already happening to some extent. But for some p2p services and if you are using a trusted platform, there's no need of full KYC. There are some instances that you do need to disclose your identity especially if you are using a legal 3rd party service provider that are operating under their government's jurisdiction. And most centralized exchanges are now also asking for compulsory KYC, so this is not new anymore. Though there are still services that we can pay anonymously but the number of merchants requiring KYC for crypto services are now growing. Even p2p platforms are having KYC today. There is almost no way to buy crypto without leaving your data. At the best case you will still have to pay with your card which would still reveal your identity. It shouldn't harm the normal users but is someone is trying to cheat KYC then most likely this person needs this btc for illegal activities. This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services It doesn't say so. I guess he means so. I just highlighted the general topic since many people are imaging crypto apocalypse when reading something about possible restrictions. Quote "Just like bank transfers, transferring crypto like Bitcoin should be accompanied with information about the person sending and receiving the funds,” he wrote on Twitter earlier today." They are talking about all transfers, just like the last regulation of Coinbase, if you reside in Canada, Japan, or Singapore you are required to provide information about the recipient even if you were sending them to an individual. This actually seems like one of the possible KYC options. Hardly imagine this would somehow apply for non-custodial wallets and their transactions. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: davis196 on March 30, 2022, 10:51:33 AM Should we keep paying attention to every politician/clerk,that makes such statements.
It's pretty clear that the politicians/clerks of the EU(and many other countries) want zero anonymity and full transparency of all financial transactions(both crypto and fiat),in order to maximize tax revenue and "to fight money laundering". They clearly want to turn cryptocurrencies into fiat money,or even worse.You can be anonymous by paying with paper cash,but they want to break this 'last line of defense'. They want the people and business owners to do the work for the lazy government officials,by declaring all their financial transactions. When the bureaucrats are lazy,the businesses are going to suffer. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: stompix on March 30, 2022, 11:15:18 AM Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that paying in cash should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers. Would he also say that? Wait a few more years. Cash is already dying here, you already have limits on the amounts you can pay, there are limits everywhere. For example, ING won't allow you to deposit cash in someone else bank account at a bank, you would have to go to the ATM to feed those bills to your own bank account and transfer the money to your friend. One of the few kiosks that are still round for paying bills has just gone through a "modernization" it no longer accepts cash, you can only pay your utility bills with a card. Cash is slowly dying and there is nothing that can save it. This guy is talking about KYC for crypto services It doesn't say so.~ Hardly imagine this would somehow apply for non-custodial wallets and their transactions. Hihi, let's hear from the guy himself: https://twitter.com/paultang/status/1508375282712993792 Quote So the identity of unhosted wallet-holders needs identification - just like you need to identify yourself when you deposit money at the bank. And we want authorities to be notified in case any one person receives a total of €1000 + from unhosted wallets. This is a red flag. 4/ So, in case I send 1000$ to mikeywith, I need to identify myself, he needs to do the same. It's not about crypto services, it's about transfers between every! single person. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Beerwizzard on March 30, 2022, 04:26:53 PM Hihi, let's hear from the guy himself: https://twitter.com/paultang/status/1508375282712993792 Quote So the identity of unhosted wallet-holders needs identification - just like you need to identify yourself when you deposit money at the bank. And we want authorities to be notified in case any one person receives a total of €1000 + from unhosted wallets. This is a red flag. 4/ So, in case I send 1000$ to mikeywith, I need to identify myself, he needs to do the same. It's not about crypto services, it's about transfers between every! single person. Oh lol. Then I wish him a good luck with non-custodial wallets. I'm pretty sure he will fail with them or at the worst case they would be somewhere outside of EU jurisdiction. Nothing can be seriously changed there. But with custodial services there is nothing new, they all already have KYC (some of them have $ threshold and another require KYC just to use their service). Government would probably try to enforce some extra regulations but I can hardly expect anything game changing. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: tbterryboy on March 30, 2022, 06:35:51 PM This news is nothing new any longer. We have all gotten to know about this before now. From now on, custodial wallets and exchanges are going to be requiring that users enter the information of the recipients of the transactions they are about to make. We’ve seen this news for long, and I think that the best thing we can all do for ourselves is to start making use of non custodial wallets or peer to peer exchanges.
As long as there are so many people in the cryptocurrency community who continues to make use of centralized exchanges and wallets, the government will always have everything in their hands and will try to control it. But when majority of us shifts to make use of non custodial wallets, then I believe it’s going to be a successfully won battle against the government. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Hydrogen on March 30, 2022, 11:57:27 PM I would contend offshore tax havens do not publicly disclose the identity of transactions made to them. They're commonly used by corporations, the rich and powerful to hide funds and avoid taxes.
Regulators in the united states recently proposed bank transfers of $600 be monitored. Now european regulators are proposing that crypto transactions over $1,000 be monitored. These restrictive policies appear to target poor to middle class earners. While transactions made by the wealthy are wholly deregulated and not subject to scrutiny. If equality is the goal, the rich and powerful should make transactions to offshore tax havens transparent and open to public scrutiny. Before asking the same of the other 99.9% of the population. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Coinshots on March 31, 2022, 12:33:00 AM Source: https://www.coinshots.com/news/member-of-the-e-u-parliament-says-crypto-transactions-shouldnt-be-anonymous OP, I'm about to ask you more than once why you copy forum posts from your site, and post a link to them, at a time when the original information was taken by you from other sources? In this way, you promote your site, which has nothing original, by regularly providing news, copying from the Internet. It's not exactly the right business. We are a news aggregator and we distribute crypto news as and when it happens, earlier we were just posting the snippets but some BTCtalk users asked us to post links too hence we are adding links. do let us know if posting links is against forum rules. Our mission is to distribute updates as they happen. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Darker45 on March 31, 2022, 03:19:57 AM Are they saying like, "Bitcoin is good, but just do things the way banks do?" Wait a minute, the way banks do things is exactly the reason why people prefer Bitcoin. That's why it's an alternative, right? This guy is like somebody who's trying to find a healthier alternative diet but not compromising the soda and the bacon and the chips and the burgers and everything.
But, well, it's already implemented right now. People are using centralized platforms with complete KYC so the one sending and the one receiving are known as well as their addresses, emails, phone numbers, faces, and all. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Poker Player on March 31, 2022, 03:31:42 AM Hey guys,
A few days ago I opened a similar thread in Legal. To me what seems important about this, which if approved has very important implications and will affect the market, is the following: As the bill provides no guidance as to how a crypto service should verify unhosted wallets, this will mean that many will decide to forego transacting with them altogether. Those that continue transacting with unhosted wallets will be required to report all transactions over €1,000. Not really, actually all transactions, no matter the amount: (https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/03/25/eu-lawmakers-to-vote-on-blocking-anonymous-crypto-payments-documents-show/) "Under existing laws, payees need to be identified for any bank transfer over EUR 1,000 ($1,099). The bloc’s national governments have already said they want to scrap that lower limit when extending the rules to crypto assets – on the basis that large transactions could just be broken up into smaller ones, a practice known as "smurfing." Urged by national laundering officials, who cite crypto’s use in funding terrorism and child abuse, lawmakers seem set to agree to require identity checks for any size of crypto payment. Even the right-wing lawmakers who oppose the move to de-anonymize transactions appear to acknowledge they won’t win the vote." The other important point concerns custodial wallets: "The European Union is considering a regulatory approach that will crack down on cryptocurrency’s “unhosted wallets”—wallets that are not held by a third-party intermediary also known as non-custodial. Examples of a non-custodial wallet include MetaMask, WalletConnect, or hardware wallets like Ledger and Trezor. The European Commission has proposed text that will oblige crypto service providers to obtain personal information from customers." Source: European Union Proposes Crackdown on Non-Custodial Crypto Wallets. (https://decrypt.co/96188/european-union-proposes-crackdown-non-custodial-crypto-wallets) This vote is very important and it actually will take place today. I hope it does not pass, because it will affect business, the price, and set a regulatory example to the rest of the world. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: so98nn on March 31, 2022, 03:57:45 AM Duh?
What is the point of using crypto space then? So Mr. Paul wants us to use crypto but let them know who we are after knowing that we are using crypto because we want to say anonymous. Its like putting duck face on a donkey! If this due really want to have records of crypto holders then there is very simple mantra for this. You just levy the taxes on the peeps who will be withdrawing their crypto assets into their bank accounts. As long as the assets are in crypto space they have no rights to ask. But yes, once they withdraw it then it becomes their income and it should be taxed. Just like the Indian Model which is taking 30% taxes for all the crypto transactions made into their bank accounts. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Wexnident on March 31, 2022, 05:32:03 AM It can be an option if they want it to, I mean Centralized exchanges already exist and they already ask their users for KYC, I don't think there's a need to actually make it a mandatory sort of thing, heck even if they wanted to they really can't make it anyway. Plus removing that option to be anonymous pretty much removes a key factor to what makes crypto a good option for transactions. They might as well just have said to remove that crypto bs out of the world.
Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: noorman0 on March 31, 2022, 06:09:25 AM -snip- Tang compared holding cryptocurrencies to holding cash, saying they’re both stored without the involvement and knowledge of anyone else—including the government. But, unlike cash, cryptocurrencies are extremely mobile and operate in a borderless world, which increases the likelihood they’ll end up “in the wrong place,” he explained. Have they also ever thought that cash can also be used for small-scale illegal transactions in a smaller scope? Maybe they also have to live in a country with a high crime rate, where minors can also own weapons without a license, drug trafficking by gangsters school-age children using cash. There is no transaction information, everything escapes government monitoring. That is, if traditional financial methods are not sufficient solutions to combat crime, how can they advocate that way? Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: lixer on April 01, 2022, 11:07:18 AM Is there a possibility for what he is asking for to happen? He is visibly asking for regulation and I don't know how he intend to achieve this except he will legislate that exchange around his country or operating with his country people begin to register with KYC with the exchange. If he wants to monitor the transactions made, he would better read bitcoin white paper and understand the working. Yes it is very much possible for him to go about doing that. It is only going to apply to those living in his country and not to those living outside his country. And this is only going to work in centralized exchanges. People in that country that are making use of centralized exchanges, are going to be required to give details of the transactions that they are about to make, for example like the OP has said, details of the sender and receiver.The laws wouldn’t have anything to do with someone that is not living in that country. Although the issue here is that those who are living in that country will have to give information of who they are sending their Bitcoin to, which means that they are revealing the identity of you that is living outside that country. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: stompix on April 01, 2022, 11:21:39 AM Duh? What is the point of using crypto space then? So Mr. Paul wants us to use crypto but let them know who we are after knowing that we are using crypto because we want to say anonymous. Then what's the point of banking, you can't use a bank account without an ID. Why the hell does half of the world population use them and why are they still there? /s Oh lol. Then I wish him a good luck with non-custodial wallets. I'm pretty sure he will fail with them or at the worst case they would be somewhere outside of EU jurisdiction. Nothing can be seriously changed there. It's a bit more complicated, it doesn't matter if the sender is outside the EU jurisdiction as long as the receiver is a citizen of a business regulated in the EU, the sender will have to identify himself based on current AML regulations. Once every exchange does that then the amount of non-custodial not labeled wallets will drop to under 1%. But, it's a proposal, the EU doesn't work by having somebody sponsoring a bill and he gets a few votes and that's all, he is just the chief of a subcommittee, these have no legislative power all they can do is propose amendments and amendments must be voted first and then the entire article must be agreed on by the Council and the Parliament. Since it will be a regulation and not a directive it will need complete approval, hard to see it happening. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: doomloop on April 01, 2022, 08:36:07 PM Have they also ever thought that cash can also be used for small-scale illegal transactions in a smaller scope? Maybe they also have to live in a country with a high crime rate, where minors can also own weapons without a license, drug trafficking by gangsters school-age children using cash. There is no transaction information, everything escapes government monitoring. But the chance for someone to get caught if they do illegalities are much higher than for someone that do illegal acts online or by using cryptos. I don't believe there are countries that are free from crimes but every country should have at least a few crimes that occur from time to time. They are not blind to not noticed it.That is, if traditional financial methods are not sufficient solutions to combat crime, how can they advocate that way? Traditional or non traditional money can't do anything to solve the crime but avoidance of crime should start to the people and to their governments. People must be knowledgeable and take extra care of what they are doing, also the governments should enforced stricter rules and won't give an exemption for every criminals that they caught. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Lightgovernence on April 01, 2022, 08:43:32 PM This is complete nonsense!
Light Goverence team not supporting this idea. If they want to make rules over crypto wallets then what is the difference of paypal or regular banking system ? Clearly, it can't be serious it's complete dictatorship all the freedoms will be gone ...we need to ask then ?? Is EU represent democraty and freedom. ?? If not then lets ask Kim Yong un or Mr Putin to become EU leader or maybe some other dictators the person who said out this idea should check with medical doctor this cant be taken seriously in free world and in society where people have rights for freedom! Light Goverence are totally against this idea and this person who said should be checked by doctors as this petson could be dangerous for society. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Gyfts on April 01, 2022, 08:48:06 PM I would contend offshore tax havens do not publicly disclose the identity of transactions made to them. They're commonly used by corporations, the rich and powerful to hide funds and avoid taxes. You're correct, they're not. And there's a reason why the government won't attempt to go after entities that provide tax havens to the rich, they don't want to upset them. Seems shocking with how much tax revenue they might be able to raise, but they'd rather target the middle class who do not have the resources to fight back. Regulators in the united states recently proposed bank transfers of $600 be monitored. Now european regulators are proposing that crypto transactions over $1,000 be monitored. These restrictive policies appear to target poor to middle class earners. The poor usually aren't going to have the funds to exceed the minimum 600 USD or €1,000 requirement for transaction registration. This strictly targets the middle class/upper middle class. The elites will have their off-shore banking enterprises tucked away. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 09, 2022, 05:27:38 AM There are many ways that governments will always want to control everything, and one of the best is that transactions are not made anonymous, it is something that seems very out of place, but that many people must learn that this technology should not be manipulated by governments, banks, that is, third parties, it was created precisely so that it could not be controlled.
Now governments must accept cryptocurrencies, the BTC effect has made them accept it, and the only way they have to accept it is through "Regulations" and this is the least shameful way for them to take or try to take control. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: Fortify on April 09, 2022, 06:50:12 AM Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that transferring cryptocurrencies should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers. Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament, believes that transferring cryptocurrencies should require information about the sender and the receiver, just like bank transfers. Tang, who heads the E.U. Parliament’s Subcommittee on Tax Matters, called the pushback against the upcoming crypto AML regulation “another social media storm by crypto bros.” The crypto industry in Europe is set to fight yet another battle in its war against stifling regulation. This time, the fight is aimed against the European Commission and its latest proposal to extend AML requirements for cryptocurrency wallets. The revision of the Transfer of Funds Regulation (TFR), first proposed in July 2021, will extend the obligation of financial institutions in the E.U. to accompany transfers of funds with information about who is sending and who is receiving the transaction. The proposal itself represents the practical implementation of the existing FATF travel rule that requires crypto service providers to KYC their customers and is set to be amended in a vote on Thursday, March 31st. As the bill provides no guidance as to how a crypto service should verify unhosted wallets, this will mean that many will decide to forego transacting with them altogether. Those that continue transacting with unhosted wallets will be required to report all transactions over €1,000. This caused a stir in the crypto community, with many calling this a blatant violation of privacy. Those backing the bill, however, seem undeterred by this. Paul Tang, a member of the E.U. Parliament serving as the chair of its Subcommittee on Tax Matters, called the public outcry “another social media storm by crypto bros.” “Just like bank transfers, transferring crypto like Bitcoin should be accompanied with information about the person sending and receiving the funds,” he wrote on Twitter earlier today. Tang compared holding cryptocurrencies to holding cash, saying they’re both stored without the involvement and knowledge of anyone else—including the government. But, unlike cash, cryptocurrencies are extremely mobile and operate in a borderless world, which increases the likelihood they’ll end up “in the wrong place,” he explained. “So the identity of unhosted wallet-holders needs identification—just like you need to identify yourself when you deposit money at the bank. And we want authorities to be notified in case any one person receives a total of €1,000 from unhosted wallets. That is a red flag.” He said that the threshold of €1,000 in total is an attempt to disable “smurfing” when tracking crypto transactions. Smurfing refers to the act of sending transfers smaller than the limit required by AML regulation, which usually stands at around $10,000. The varying price of cryptocurrencies means that thresholds like these are hard to enforce, which is why the E.U. believes it would be more productive to cover basically all crypto transfers. Tang says that despite what members of the crypto industry say, these are important tools to fight money laundering and terrorist financing. However, the future of the crypto industry in the E.U. might not become as bleak as Tang wants it to. Previous attempts to introduce regulation as stifling as this one was rejected by the E.U. parliament and there’s a high likelihood we could see this happening again. Source: https://www.coinshots.com/news/member-of-the-e-u-parliament-says-crypto-transactions-shouldnt-be-anonymous This seems to be the end result of what we see with Bitcoin: Do people prefer having a global digital currency which potentially cuts out any middlemen taking a slice of the action or do they want an anonymous form of currency (which will often be portrayed as a means to evade paying their fair share in society)? You can praise all the benefits of Bitcoin while leaving anonymity aside - it's fast, decentralized, allows cross border payments with minimal costs and does not have an individual point of weakness. Ultimately the world is run by governments and those governments want to know generally what money is doing within their borders, so this is a problem that will never go away and needs to be faced. Title: Re: Member Of The E.U. Parliament Says Crypto Transactions Shouldn’t Be Anonymous Post by: longlivecapitalism on April 14, 2022, 06:19:25 PM Yeah, I bet they would love to regulate and control everything which is why we shouldn't let them. Otherwise, what is the point of changing from fiat to cryptocurrencies in the first place if they are going to end up being roughly the same thing? Regulation advocates always use the "ties to crime" excuse but there are a lot more people who use crypto legitimately than people who use it to finance crime.
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