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Title: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Hydrogen on April 05, 2022, 11:44:41 PM
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Linking the currency to gold and energy is a paradigm shift for the global economy, a precious metals analyst tells RT

The Bank of Russia has resumed gold purchases this week, but more importantly, the regulator is doing so at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles ($59) per 1 gram between March 28 and June 30, raising the possibility of Russia returning to the gold standard for the first time in over a century.

If the country takes the next step, as has been proposed this week, to sell its commodities priced in rubles, these combined moves could have huge implications for the ruble, the US dollar, and the global economy.

To get some answers, RT spoke to precious metals analyst Ronan Manly at BullionStar Singapore.

— Why is setting a fixed price for gold in rubles significant?

By offering to buy gold from Russian banks at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles per gram, the Bank of Russia has both linked the ruble to gold and, since gold trades in US dollars, set a floor price for the ruble in terms of the US dollar.

We can see this linkage in action since Friday 25 March when the Bank of Russia made the fixed price announcement. The ruble was trading at around 100 to the US dollar at that time, but has since strengthened and is nearing 80 to the US dollar. Why? Because gold has been trading on international markets at about US$62 per gram which is equivalent to (5,000 / 62) = about 80.5, and markets and arbitrage traders have now taken note, driving the RUB/USD exchange rate higher.

So the ruble now has a floor to the US dollars, in terms of gold. But gold also has a floor, so to speak, because 5,000 rubles per gram is 155,500 rubles per troy ounce of gold, and with a RUB/USD floor of about 80, that’s a gold price of around $1,940. And if the Western paper gold markets of LBMA/COMEX try to drive the US dollar gold price lower, they will have to try to weaken the ruble as well or else the paper manipulations will be out in the open.

Additionally, with the new gold to ruble linkage, if the ruble continues to strengthen (for example due to demand created by obligatory energy payments in rubles), this will also be reflected in a stronger gold price.

— What does it mean for oil?

Russia is the world’s largest natural gas exporter and the world’s third largest oil exporter. We are seeing right now that Putin is demanding that foreign buyers (importers of Russian gas) must pay for this natural gas using rubles. This immediately links the price of natural gas to rubles and (because of the fixed link to gold) to the gold price. So Russian natural gas is now linked via the ruble to gold.

The same can now be done with Russian oil. If Russia begins to demand payment for oil exports with rubles, there will be an immediate indirect peg to gold (via the fixed price ruble – gold connection). Then Russia could begin accepting gold directly in payment for its oil exports. In fact, this can be applied to any commodities, not just oil and natural gas.

— What does that mean for the price of gold?

By playing both sides of the equation, i.e. linking the ruble to gold and then linking energy payments to the ruble, the Bank of Russia and the Kremlin are fundamentally altering the entire working assumptions of the global trade system while accelerating change in the global monetary system. This wall of buyers in search of physical gold to pay for real commodities could certainly torpedo and blow up the paper gold markets of the LBMA and COMEX.        

The fixed peg between the ruble and gold puts a floor on the RUB/USD rate but also a quasi-floor on the US dollar gold price. But beyond this, the linking of gold to energy payments is the main event. While increased demand for rubles should continue to strengthen the RUB/USD rate and show up as a higher gold price, due to the fixed ruble - gold linkage, if Russia begins to accept gold directly as a payment for oil, then this would be a new paradigm shift for the gold price as it would link the oil price directly to the gold price.  

For example, Russia could start by specifying that it will now accept 1 gram of gold per barrel of oil. It doesn’t have to be 1 gram but would have to be a discounted offer to the current crude benchmark price so as to promote take up, e.g. 1.2 grams per barrel. Buyers would then scramble to buy physical gold to pay for Russian oil exports, which in turn would create huge strains in the paper gold markets of London and New York where the entire ‘gold price’ discovery is based on synthetic and fractionally-backed cash-settled unallocated ‘gold’ and gold price ‘derivatives.

— What does it mean for the ruble?

Linking the ruble to gold via the Bank of Russia’s fixed price has now put a floor under the RUB/USD rate, and thereby stabilized and strengthened the ruble. Demanding that natural gas exports are paid for in rubles (and possibly oil and other commodities down the line) will again act as stabilization and support. If a majority of the international trading system begins accepting these rubles for commodity payments arrangements, this could propel the Russian ruble to becoming a major global currency. At the same time, any move by Russia to accept direct gold for oil payments will cause more international gold to flow into Russian reserves, which would also strengthen the balance sheet of the Bank of Russia and in turn strengthen the ruble.

Talk of a formal gold standard for the ruble might be premature, but a gold-backed ruble must be something the Bank of Russia has considered.    

— What does it mean for other currencies?

The global monetary landscape is changing rapidly and central banks around the world are obviously taking note. Western sanctions such as the freezing of the majority of Russia’s foreign exchange reserves while trying to sanction Russian gold have now made it obvious that property rights on FX reserves held abroad may not be respected, and likewise, that foreign central bank gold held in vault locations such as at the Bank of England and the New York Fed, is not beyond confiscation.  

Other non-Western governments and central banks will therefore be taking a keen interest in Russia linking the ruble to gold and linking commodity export payments to the ruble. In other words, if Russia begins to accept payment for oil in gold, then other countries may feel the need to follow suit.

Look at who, apart from the US, are the world’s largest oil and natural gas producers - Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar. Obviously, all of the BRICS countries and Eurasian countries are also following all of this very closely. If the demise of the US dollar is nearing, all of these countries will want their currencies to be beneficiaries of a new multi-lateral monetary order.  

— What does this mean for the US dollar?

Since 1971, the global reserve status of the US dollar has been underpinned by oil, and the petrodollar era has only been possible due to both the world’s continued use of US dollars to trade oil and the USA’s ability to prevent any competitor to the US dollar.

But what we are seeing right now looks like the beginning of the end of that 50-year system and the birth of a new gold and commodity backed multi-lateral monetary system. The freezing of Russia’s foreign exchange reserves has been the trigger. The giant commodity strong countries of the world such as China and the oil exporting nations may now feel that now is the time to move to a new more equitable monetary system. It’s not a surprise, they have been discussing it for years.  

While it’s still too early to say how the US dollar will be affected, it will come out of this period weaker and less influential than before.      

— What are the ramifications?

The Bank of Russia’s move to link the ruble to gold and link commodity payments to the ruble is a paradigm shift that the Western media has not really yet grasped. As the dominos fall, these events could reverberate in different ways. Increased demand for physical gold. Blowups in the paper gold markets. A revalued gold price. A shift away from the US dollar. Increased bilateral trade in commodities among non-Western counties in currencies other than the US dollar.



https://www.rt.com/business/553099-gold-backed-ruble-gamechanger-west/


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I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.

Other nations have made similar announcements in the past only a few years ago.

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Gold-backed yuan may challenge flagging dollar

 AUGUST 12, 2020

One of President Xi Jinping’s top priorities is increasing the yuan’s role in global trade. That, of course, would mean making the currency fully convertible and foregoing all capital controls – things that aren’t going to happen in 2020.

All this has observers getting creative. Among them is economist Liu Shanen, secretary-general at the Beijing Gold Economic Development Research Center. In a recent interview with news portal Guancha, Liu detailed a plan to “revive the gold standard” as the US dollar loses luster.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/gold-backed-yuan-may-challenge-flagging-dollar/

So it seems we have proposals made by china and russia to back their currencies with gold over the last 2 years.

As part of a strategy to quicken their replacement of the US dollar as a diminishing global reserve currency.

Economic sanctions and financial war waged against russia could serve as incentive for them to fast track their adoption of a gold standard before china does.

This appears to be one aspect of russia's economic situation which is being neglected atm which could use some attention from crypto and precious metals sectors.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: jackg on April 05, 2022, 11:57:59 PM
I'd say, since it comes from rt, they're probably scrambling to find something to give people hope the ruble will stay strong enough to not be devalued further (or back to where it was).

Pegging the ruble to gold or oil might do something useful but it might also cause an issue since the country is at war because they might have to work out how to actually access the gold they accept.

It'd be hard to facilitate high volume trading of assets like gold in this case imo and the chance of anything carrying it or the physical gold being confiscated might be high (although I think India and China have high reserves of gold themselves).

I think we'll see a lot of threats that rubles should be accepted while seeing no actual efforts put into doing that much. As much as the US government can't be trusted that well, they have an economy to keep strong - Russia's economy is tiny in comparison.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: avikz on April 06, 2022, 04:54:59 AM
Russia has to find another way to continue with the global trade and since they have been thrown out of the SWIFT system, they would certainly want to continue with their own currency. But I think it's only a proposal for now and no concrete decision has been made yet. While Russia is demanding only Rubble payments in exchange of their gas and oil which will force some countries to buy Rubble to support its value. Also he has proposed to peg 5000 Rubbles with the value of 1 gram of fine gold. It's a masterstroke from where I see it!

Russia is the second highest global natural gas supplier just after Unites states and even during the war, they were not replaced from its position. So seeking only Rubble payments for their gas supply and pegging the Rubble value with Gold, will reduce dollar dominance from this sector of world trade. Also it will support the value of Rubble from falling down. It is indeed a game changer in many aspects!


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Poker Player on April 06, 2022, 05:51:37 AM
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Linking the currency to gold and energy is a paradigm shift for the global economy, a precious metals analyst tells RT

The Bank of Russia has resumed gold purchases this week, but more importantly, the regulator is doing so at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles ($59) per 1 gram between March 28 and June 30, raising the possibility of Russia returning to the gold standard for the first time in over a century.

If the country takes the next step, as has been proposed this week, to sell its commodities priced in rubles, these combined moves could have huge implications for the ruble, the US dollar, and the global economy.

To get some answers, RT spoke to precious metals analyst Ronan Manly at BullionStar Singapore.

— Why is setting a fixed price for gold in rubles significant?

By offering to buy gold from Russian banks at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles per gram, the Bank of Russia has both linked the ruble to gold and, since gold trades in US dollars, set a floor price for the ruble in terms of the US dollar.

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Talk of a formal gold standard for the ruble might be premature, but a gold-backed ruble must be something the Bank of Russia has considered.    


There is an essential difference between buying gold with rubles at a fixed price and what is being said about tying the ruble to gold. To really tie it would be to commit to giving x amount of gold per ruble, as was done before with the gold standart but that is not what we are talking about.

I agree that it is a move that can help strengthen the currency in the short term but it seems to me that the news has been overhyped in some media.



I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.


Me too.





Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 06:06:31 AM
I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.
I think you are right in your doubts, especially since this is not a peg of the ruble to gold, but an obligation to buy gold at a fixed price in rubles, that is, support for the ruble from below.

I think a full return to the gold standard in a single country is impossible and impractical. Partly because the price of gold is determined by a consortium of several banks and this mechanism is not entirely market driven, not 100% determined by the current balance of supply and demand (therefore, spreads between the prices of "paper" and "physical" gold are regularly observed).

Pegging the ruble to gas is a more interesting phenomenon, because money in itself is a kind of life force equivalent and tying a specific currency to a specific energy resource does not look too artificial, and therefore the "gas_ruble" can be successful and viable, like the "oil_dollar" for example.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: NeuroticFish on April 06, 2022, 06:14:01 AM
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Linking the currency to gold and energy is a paradigm shift for the global economy, a precious metals analyst tells RT

The Bank of Russia has resumed gold purchases this week, but more importantly, the regulator is doing so at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles ($59) per 1 gram between March 28 and June 30

Do they have enough gold for backing for real all the rubles in circulation? I highly doubt it.
I see it as a desperate PR stunt to show why they forcefully keep the ruble "price" high.
And as I said, it's PR. They're lying (what's new?). They don't have the gold for it, hence it's somewhere between advertising and actual scam.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 06:28:55 AM
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Linking the currency to gold and energy is a paradigm shift for the global economy, a precious metals analyst tells RT

The Bank of Russia has resumed gold purchases this week, but more importantly, the regulator is doing so at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles ($59) per 1 gram between March 28 and June 30

Do they have enough gold for backing for real all the rubles in circulation? I highly doubt it.
I see it as a desperate PR stunt to show why they forcefully keep the ruble "price" high.
And as I said, it's PR. They're lying (what's new?). They don't have the gold for it, hence it's somewhere between advertising and actual scam.

I don't understand the reason for your doubts. From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer. Russia can at any time immediately fully repay its foreign debt in gold and withdraw from the external borrowing market, and this will not affect its current cash flows in any way.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: NeuroticFish on April 06, 2022, 07:04:18 AM
I don't understand the reason for your doubts.

Because they have a solid history of lying about.. basically everything.

From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

By the data I've found in a very quick search, the money supply in 2020 was 12.431 trillion rubles (https://tadviser.com/index.php/Article:Russian_ruble#12.431_trillion_rubles) and I expect in 2022 the number is bigger. So a simple math tells that at this rate they're at least 186.2 tons of gold short. It's much better than expected (although I have my strong doubts about how correct/real those numbers are), but still not covered 100%.

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer. Russia can at any time immediately fully repay its foreign debt in gold and withdraw from the external borrowing market, and this will not affect its current cash flows in any way.

Russia is - by far - not something I would boast as major economy. They don't produce almost anything desired by the other economies, almost all they sell is resources. What's the merit in that?!
Also I live in a country that - before the iron curtain has fallen - tried hard to pay its external debts in full. I do remember how bad it was for the population, so, again, I would not boast this unless I am indoctrinated and don't want to see the reality in full.


So no, you didn't convince me.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 07:22:32 AM
From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

By the data I've found in a very quick search, the money supply in 2020 was 12.431 trillion rubles (https://tadviser.com/index.php/Article:Russian_ruble#12.431_trillion_rubles) and I expect in 2022 the number is bigger. So a simple math tells that at this rate they're at least 186.2 tons of gold short. It's much better than expected (although I have my strong doubts about how correct/real those numbers are), but still not covered 100%.
To fully ensure the entire money supply with gold? In Russia, there is a very strong shortage of money supply compared to other countries, but to demand that the entire money supply be fully backed by monetary gold on the balance sheet of the Central Bank is a bit too much, don't you think?


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: NeuroticFish on April 06, 2022, 07:27:22 AM
To fully ensure the entire money supply with gold? In Russia, there is a very strong shortage of money supply compared to other countries, but to demand that the entire money supply be fully backed by monetary gold on the balance sheet of the Central Bank is a bit too much, don't you think?

Indeed, it is too much. At least we agree on this. Yet, it's not me boasting this, the article premise is that Russian Central Bank will have the Ruble backed by gold.
And math has shown that this is not possible, not fully, even at the discounted price they work with.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 07:35:42 AM
To fully ensure the entire money supply with gold? In Russia, there is a very strong shortage of money supply compared to other countries, but to demand that the entire money supply be fully backed by monetary gold on the balance sheet of the Central Bank is a bit too much, don't you think?

Indeed, it is too much. At least we agree on this. Yet, it's not me boasting this, the article premise is that Russian Central Bank will have the Ruble backed by gold.
And math has shown that this is not possible, not fully, even at the discounted price they work with.
I said directly in my first post on this topic that a return to the gold standard for Russia (and any other single country in the world) is now impossible and impractical. Pegging the ruble to energy resources has more prospects. However, at the same time, the existing gold reserves of the Central Bank of Russia are more than enough to, if necessary, immediately pay in full all of Russia's external debt, which now stands at about $58 billion (https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/perfomance/public_debt/external/structure/?id_39=135912-struktura_gosudarstvennogo_vneshnego_dolga_rossiiskoi_federatsii_na_1_marta_2022_goda).

These are different things - external debt and the entire money supply, I hope my English is good enough so that there is no confusion between what I say and what you understand from my words.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: NeuroticFish on April 06, 2022, 07:46:19 AM
I said directly in my first post on this topic that a return to the gold standard for Russia is now impossible and impractical.

As PR it can somewhat try to prove why Ruble is (artificially) kept at this value.
I don't see other reason for this.

Pegging the ruble to energy resources has more prospects.

It may also be impractical, since the energy prices may fluctuate independently from what the central bank wants to have as the value of the currency notes.
Also if this war continues for too long, the western countries will actually find other energy suppliers, leaving Russia no other choice than selling under the market price to those accepting the deal and turning a blind eye to all the bad things Russia has done especially in the last month.

However, at the same time, the existing gold reserves of the Central Bank of Russia are more than enough to, if necessary, immediately pay in full all of Russia's external debt, which now stands at about $58 billion (https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/perfomance/public_debt/external/structure/?id_39=135912-struktura_gosudarstvennogo_vneshnego_dolga_rossiiskoi_federatsii_na_1_marta_2022_goda).

With fiat value getting lower and lower, storing the gold for longer may result in having less to pay on long term.
And gold is not really for that use (to be spent for clearing the debt), it's more to prove the others the country is solvable.
And, finally, we both know how risky is now for Russia to work with the western banks and western money, so most probably they will not move a finger until the west will chill.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Moneyprism on April 06, 2022, 09:07:38 AM
Russia will be a game changer,,, where they will offer something that is against the international economic order,, and maybe this will be something that will bring Russia into a more developed country in the future ... but the impact of this is that the global economy will be divided, because there is a bloc that supports Russia/China and there is also a bloc that supports the West


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DrBeer on April 06, 2022, 10:52:30 AM
I don't understand the reason for your doubts. From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer. Russia can at any time immediately fully repay its foreign debt in gold and withdraw from the external borrowing market, and this will not affect its current cash flows in any way.

It sounds really strong! There are just nuances. With all the "power of the Russian economy", very strange processes are taking place in Russia itself. Please explain in terms of logic, economic laws and theories - why? So what is happening inside Russia:
1. Stagnation of the economy. Even before the imposition of sanctions. Real fall in industrial production
2. Social problems - a sharp reduction in funding for educational, medical, social programs.
3. Destruction of the pension system. And the use of pension funds to solve completely different problems. Raising the retirement age, blocking pension savings
4. Loss of entire segments of the economy in the world market, as well as curtailment in the domestic market.

But such a powerful economy and so much gold? What is wrong here?! Clarify please ! :)


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: davis196 on April 06, 2022, 11:35:07 AM
I don't mind Russia and China trying to backup their national currencies with gold reserves.
A return back to the gold standard might be refreshing for the global financial system.
This might force the USA/EU to stop with the fiat money printing madness.
However,I don't believe that Russia will achieve anything other than just stabilizing it's own national currency.
This move simply isn't enough to replace the US dollar as the global currency.
The real thread for the US dollar would be all Asian countries and the EU dumping US dollar transactions.
So far the EU will remain under US influence and this isn't going to change anytime soon.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Smartprofit on April 06, 2022, 11:43:25 AM
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Linking the currency to gold and energy is a paradigm shift for the global economy, a precious metals analyst tells RT

The Bank of Russia has resumed gold purchases this week, but more importantly, the regulator is doing so at a fixed price of 5,000 rubles ($59) per 1 gram between March 28 and June 30

Do they have enough gold for backing for real all the rubles in circulation? I highly doubt it.
I see it as a desperate PR stunt to show why they forcefully keep the ruble "price" high.
And as I said, it's PR. They're lying (what's new?). They don't have the gold for it, hence it's somewhere between advertising and actual scam.

I don't understand the reason for your doubts. From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer. Russia can at any time immediately fully repay its foreign debt in gold and withdraw from the external borrowing market, and this will not affect its current cash flows in any way.

Russia has a large external debt, but this is not the debt of the state, but the debt of large companies.  

Taking into account the fact that large companies are, in fact, backbone state-owned companies, their debt to foreign counterparties can be considered as an external public debt.  

In general, the situation is not logical.  

If the Government of Russia had planned the current situation in advance, then what was the point of paying the public debt of the USSR and Russia earlier (with large interest rates)?  

And huge sums of money were spent on it.  

If Russia now had a huge external debt, then it could blackmail the countries of the West.  As you know, no one kills his debtors.  

If we talk about the gold standard, then in my opinion it is unprofitable for Russia itself.  

China and Western countries will very quickly take Russian gold for themselves, since Russia is now in great need of imports.  And gold is potentially a more valuable asset than even US dollars.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: stompix on April 06, 2022, 11:55:39 AM
A gold-backed ruble, lol.
A currency backed by gold from a nation that has banned its owner citizen and companies from buying foreign currency, so what would be the advantage of this currency if you're not allowed to exchange it for something else?
A gold "backed" currency from the nation that has forcefully exchanged your foreign currency deposits troubles at the value they have chosen to, what would stop them to do again the same and you woke up the next day and instead of having your rubles backed by gold you find them backed by silver. Next day by oil, then by potatoes and then they are going to be backed by rubles 2.0 which are backed by gold.

Bitcoin is not backed by gold or silver or anything else, it is backed by trust, same for us dollar, that's where the value comes from not from some claims nobody can check or force the issuer to respect. Rember the oil-backed petro?

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer.

Life expectancy for a male as Guatemala, crime rate as Zimbabwe  and poverty levels as Thailand, if you can call that living, for a "major" economy.
Btw, you know that out of real major economies Russia is the only one to have defaulted twice lately?  ;D


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
I don't understand the reason for your doubts. From 2014 to 2020, the Central Bank of Russia actively increased the share of gold in its gold and foreign exchange reserves, buying up all the gold that is mined in Russia. As of February 1, 2022, the Central Bank has gold worth $132 billion (about 2,300 tons) (https://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_m/).

Name at least one major economy in the world that is living within its means with a sustainable budget surplus and does not have a large external debt. Only Russia, there is no other answer. Russia can at any time immediately fully repay its foreign debt in gold and withdraw from the external borrowing market, and this will not affect its current cash flows in any way.

It sounds really strong! There are just nuances. With all the "power of the Russian economy", very strange processes are taking place in Russia itself. Please explain in terms of logic, economic laws and theories - why? So what is happening inside Russia:
1. Stagnation of the economy. Even before the imposition of sanctions. Real fall in industrial production
2. Social problems - a sharp reduction in funding for educational, medical, social programs.
3. Destruction of the pension system. And the use of pension funds to solve completely different problems. Raising the retirement age, blocking pension savings
4. Loss of entire segments of the economy in the world market, as well as curtailment in the domestic market.

But such a powerful economy and so much gold? What is wrong here?! Clarify please ! :)

In the modern model of a society of advanced consumption, a higher standard of living is not for those who live within their means and save for a rainy day, but for those who actively use credit leverage and have a chronic budget deficit.

The large gold and foreign exchange reserves that Russia has managed to accumulate is, on the one hand, good, but on the other hand, this means that Russia has been purposefully filling the National Welfare Fund for years, instead of using this money to develop the economy. In fact, this money was systematically withdrawn from circulation and lay dead weight, undermined by inflation (if we are talking about fiat currencies), or taking up space in the vault and not paying dividends (if we are talking about gold).

Since 2014, after the annexation of Crimea, Russia has been under heavy pressure from economic sanctions, so its current economic model is more of a wartime economy than a peacetime one. I think Putin understood perfectly well that the US and NATO would hardly risk entering into a direct military confrontation with Russia (because "there are no winners in a nuclear war"), and the West's pressure on Russia would be economic.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: istiak2277 on April 06, 2022, 05:12:58 PM

I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.

Other nations have made similar announcements in the past only a few years ago.



There is obvious reason why other nations also agree upon this matters. We have seen how USA freeze 600 Billion dollars that is located in Russians central bank as a reserve. I think many allied country of USA is also not linking this type of power demonstration from USA. This gave USA a terms called "sanction power" which they can use against any country to achieve something from that country. This is a weakness for every country against USA.





Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: TheCoinGrabber on April 06, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Guess it's happening huh? Even before the pandemic there has already been reports about Russia and China planning to move back to the gold standard.

Assuming this is not just publicity/propaganda/threat, how would they formally get back to the gold standard? Would they simply announce that the ruble would be equal to a certain amount of gold? And more importantly, would they allow people to exchange their rubles for said gold? For the latter, I think not.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: kryptqnick on April 06, 2022, 05:40:57 PM
What a joke, Russia is truly stuck in the past. They keep fixating on World War II and somehow want to portray Ukrainians as Nazis; they keep pretending it's the Cold War time, and they are a great superpower that will negotiate for areas of interest with the US; and now they're thinking of a "paradigm-shifting" decision to back ruble with gold, which is something countries did BEFORE fiat. I think this gold maneuver is only a temporary cunning workaround to slow down ruble's way toward the abyss, but it's not going to work long term or fully work at all. Although I must say that, at least if we look at some estimated data on how much gold (https://www.banki.ru/wikibank/zolotoy_zapas/#:~:text=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%20%D0%B2,%D0%A0%D0%A4%20%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%2022%20%25%5B%D0%B8%5D.) Russia has and how many rubles (https://www.profbanking.com/blitz-answer/2235-how-much-cash-rubles-issued-in-russia) Russia has, they do seem to almost match in terms of their USD value, so the idea is not as delusional as it might seem.
But still, it's all very rough, and I'm skeptical this will actually work to Russia's significant advantage.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: fiulpro on April 06, 2022, 05:56:06 PM
After reading this article I remember that image of Putin holding a big Gold Bar.

https://i.ibb.co/LZZVZyv/download-19.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Apparently Russians became the largest buyer of gold long before these sanctions came into place as well which does mean that the guy had strategies in mind. We might think he is acting without thinking but on the other hand it might try and back his own currency up and at the same time I do think that digital currencies are already taking a stead forward but Gold is honestly a good asset to have most of the developed nations do hoard gold, its value is not going to decrease overnight. Some countries even right now try and back their economy up by hoarding gold but only Lebanon does have their currency which is backed up by gold even right now. Other than that there are still countries living on gold standard at the moment, if someone wants to check it out :  https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/what-countries-are-on-the-gold-standard-today (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/what-countries-are-on-the-gold-standard-today)
More or so it might not be such a stupid move at all. But they have to find a way to increase the depth of sanctions to make sure all the hardwork is not in vain. Russia needs to back off, they have to stop doing this, world cannot handle world war 3.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Gyfts on April 06, 2022, 06:14:54 PM
I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.
I think you are right in your doubts, especially since this is not a peg of the ruble to gold, but an obligation to buy gold at a fixed price in rubles, that is, support for the ruble from below.

I think a full return to the gold standard in a single country is impossible and impractical. Partly because the price of gold is determined by a consortium of several banks and this mechanism is not entirely market driven, not 100% determined by the current balance of supply and demand (therefore, spreads between the prices of "paper" and "physical" gold are regularly observed).

Pegging the ruble to gas is a more interesting phenomenon, because money in itself is a kind of life force equivalent and tying a specific currency to a specific energy resource does not look too artificial, and therefore the "gas_ruble" can be successful and viable, like the "oil_dollar" for example.

Venezuela based their economy on oil prices so it was almost as if their currency was pegged to oil. They mismanaged their economy and when oil prices crashed, so did the Venezuelan economy. If Russia were interested in stabilizing their currency, I suppose a gold standard would help, but it would make sense just to adopt a Bitcoin as a currency at that point and ditch ruble all together (I understand for obvious reasons why Russia would not do this, more of just a hypothetical).

Perhaps the discussion Russia should be having would be one geared towards saving their economy and not ruble.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: suzanne5223 on April 06, 2022, 06:53:51 PM
Gold backed Ruble could be a game changer and may not change anything because right from the beginning every fiat currency is once backed with gold before they are backed by the government. Meanwhile, fiat currency has been backed by gold or the government won't do anything if the government doesn't stop printing more ridiculous notes.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: be.open on April 07, 2022, 06:36:55 AM
I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.
I think you are right in your doubts, especially since this is not a peg of the ruble to gold, but an obligation to buy gold at a fixed price in rubles, that is, support for the ruble from below.

I think a full return to the gold standard in a single country is impossible and impractical. Partly because the price of gold is determined by a consortium of several banks and this mechanism is not entirely market driven, not 100% determined by the current balance of supply and demand (therefore, spreads between the prices of "paper" and "physical" gold are regularly observed).

Pegging the ruble to gas is a more interesting phenomenon, because money in itself is a kind of life force equivalent and tying a specific currency to a specific energy resource does not look too artificial, and therefore the "gas_ruble" can be successful and viable, like the "oil_dollar" for example.

Venezuela based their economy on oil prices so it was almost as if their currency was pegged to oil. They mismanaged their economy and when oil prices crashed, so did the Venezuelan economy. If Russia were interested in stabilizing their currency, I suppose a gold standard would help, but it would make sense just to adopt a Bitcoin as a currency at that point and ditch ruble all together (I understand for obvious reasons why Russia would not do this, more of just a hypothetical).

Perhaps the discussion Russia should be having would be one geared towards saving their economy and not ruble.
Russia and Venezuela are still in different weight categories. In the foreseeable future, gas prices do not show prerequisites for a decline, plus a protective barrier of gold protects the ruble from possible drawdowns from below. The price of the ruble has stabilized and returned to the level of early February, why should Russia abandon the national currency, which is controlled by the Central Bank? In terms of bitcoin mining, Russia is in the top 3 in the world, after the USA and Kazakhstan, although the position of the Central Bank of Russia is more likely to reject cryptocurrencies than vice versa. At the same time, Putin spoke out in favor of mining for the disposal of excess electricity and the development of IT.

The Russian economy as a whole is coping well with sanctions shocks, all life support systems are working normally, gasoline has not risen in price, there is food in stores. Coffee beans have noticeably risen in price, while for me this is the most significant change. So to directly "saving" while there seems to be nothing special.

Russia has a large external debt, but this is not the debt of the state, but the debt of large companies.  

Taking into account the fact that large companies are, in fact, backbone state-owned companies, their debt to foreign counterparties can be considered as an external public debt.  
Russia's corporate external debt is about $550 billion, all payments on it in favor of investors from unfriendly countries go through a government commission that issues to creditors a bearer promissory note for money blocked by the sanctions of the Central Bank of Russia in the amount of up to $300 billion. Yesterday, for the first time, payments on the state debt were made in rubles.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Abiky on April 21, 2022, 05:35:23 PM
Russia has to find another way to continue with the global trade and since they have been thrown out of the SWIFT system, they would certainly want to continue with their own currency. But I think it's only a proposal for now and no concrete decision has been made yet. While Russia is demanding only Rubble payments in exchange of their gas and oil which will force some countries to buy Rubble to support its value. Also he has proposed to peg 5000 Rubbles with the value of 1 gram of fine gold. It's a masterstroke from where I see it!

Russia is the second highest global natural gas supplier just after Unites states and even during the war, they were not replaced from its position. So seeking only Rubble payments for their gas supply and pegging the Rubble value with Gold, will reduce dollar dominance from this sector of world trade. Also it will support the value of Rubble from falling down. It is indeed a game changer in many aspects!

It's a wise strategy that might help rise the Ruble from the ground up. But getting access to gold reserves when sanctions are in place, is quite a difficult task to achieve. Maybe China will help Russia with this? Anyways, I think Russia should've thought about making its economy self-sustainable sooner. Now it's too late to do anything about it, as most countries stopped doing business with Russia.

Sometimes I wonder how long Putin will last with increasing pressure against him. Unless he acts quickly to help restore the economy, his regime won't last soon. We'll see how Russia's currency will perform by the end of the year as the US and the EU continue to tighten sanctions. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DrBeer on April 21, 2022, 08:58:50 PM
In the modern model of a society of advanced consumption, a higher standard of living is not for those who live within their means and save for a rainy day, but for those who actively use credit leverage and have a chronic budget deficit.

The large gold and foreign exchange reserves that Russia has managed to accumulate is, on the one hand, good, but on the other hand, this means that Russia has been purposefully filling the National Welfare Fund for years, instead of using this money to develop the economy. In fact, this money was systematically withdrawn from circulation and lay dead weight, undermined by inflation (if we are talking about fiat currencies), or taking up space in the vault and not paying dividends (if we are talking about gold).

Since 2014, after the annexation of Crimea, Russia has been under heavy pressure from economic sanctions, so its current economic model is more of a wartime economy than a peacetime one. I think Putin understood perfectly well that the US and NATO would hardly risk entering into a direct military confrontation with Russia (because "there are no winners in a nuclear war"), and the West's pressure on Russia would be economic.

"Putin knew", "Putin assumed" - this is the biggest misconception! Since 2014, Putin has been living in a closed sphere filled with information fakes, with elements of mental masturbation :)
Let me explain - since 2014, for sure, and possibly earlier, Putin's corrupt entourage realized that he only needs to throw in the news only what he wants to hear, and you can continue to plunder budgets, without risk. Putin gets "moral ecstasy" after another news folder where Russia has defeated everyone, everyone is afraid of it, and they are already building a base on Mars. Let everything degrade in reality, but Putin will not go to all Syzran and check?! He is served beauty from TV, from folders and reports. He was also sure that the huge sums spent on bribing politicians in the EU and other administrations would not allow launching the mechanism of total sanctions and arms supplies to Ukraine. He was sure, but he got it wrong ... And now the problem begins, which in psychiatry is called "cognitive dissonance"! His most powerful army, the army of Ukraine, has been raped as it wants and will soon be driven out of the territory of Ukraine, the economy has collapsed, partners are turning away, sanctions are intensifying ... And on the way, the "great leader" also has senile dementia and Parkinson's disease ... :)



Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DOH! on April 21, 2022, 10:48:11 PM
Sometimes I wonder how long Putin will last with increasing pressure against him. Unless he acts quickly to help restore the economy, his regime won't last soon. We'll see how Russia's currency will perform by the end of the year as the US and the EU continue to tighten sanctions.
Perhaps reading Putin's intentions is too difficult since the Ukraine war broke out.  but i'm just looking at the existence of the russian economy, how the ruble will react to their dire conditions, at least they have had some positive results moving gas payments in dong  rubles, it pulls liquidity from Russia's local currency.  But this isn't going to last long, they look at a bitcoin-backed ruble mechanism / bitcoin legitimacy one that will happen soon I guess.  But bitcoin is stuck between Putin and the EU.  Lol


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: 24Kt on April 21, 2022, 11:54:28 PM
Russia has to find another way to continue with the global trade and since they have been thrown out of the SWIFT system, they would certainly want to continue with their own currency. But I think it's only a proposal for now and no concrete decision has been made yet. While Russia is demanding only Rubble payments in exchange of their gas and oil which will force some countries to buy Rubble to support its value. Also he has proposed to peg 5000 Rubbles with the value of 1 gram of fine gold. It's a masterstroke from where I see it!

Russia is the second highest global natural gas supplier just after Unites states and even during the war, they were not replaced from its position. So seeking only Rubble payments for their gas supply and pegging the Rubble value with Gold, will reduce dollar dominance from this sector of world trade. Also it will support the value of Rubble from falling down. It is indeed a game changer in many aspects!

It's a wise strategy that might help rise the Ruble from the ground up. But getting access to gold reserves when sanctions are in place, is quite a difficult task to achieve. Maybe China will help Russia with this? Anyways, I think Russia should've thought about making its economy self-sustainable sooner. Now it's too late to do anything about it, as most countries stopped doing business with Russia.

Sometimes I wonder how long Putin will last with increasing pressure against him. Unless he acts quickly to help restore the economy, his regime won't last soon. We'll see how Russia's currency will perform by the end of the year as the US and the EU continue to tighten sanctions. Just my opinion :)

With how things are panning out with this war, I believe, Russians are ready to replace Putin. One big wrong move of Putin and he will find himself ousted by his people. Actually, this war already is his one mistake. And we don't know the authenticity of the news of backing the ruble with gold. Maybe, just to change the mindset of other countries which are losing their trust to their government.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: barbara44 on April 23, 2022, 09:32:24 PM
It's a wise strategy that might help rise the Ruble from the ground up. But getting access to gold reserves when sanctions are in place, is quite a difficult task to achieve. Maybe China will help Russia with this? Anyways, I think Russia should've thought about making its economy self-sustainable sooner. Now it's too late to do anything about it, as most countries stopped doing business with Russia.

Sometimes I wonder how long Putin will last with increasing pressure against him. Unless he acts quickly to help restore the economy, his regime won't last soon. We'll see how Russia's currency will perform by the end of the year as the US and the EU continue to tighten sanctions. Just my opinion :)
I would guess that it's easier to get a hold of gold then get a hold of anything else. Gold is precious metal and no "nation" would love to part ways with their own gold and that is why we know that it's not going to be easy for Russia to get gold from nations and governments.

However, if they pay a bit higher than what it's worth, not a lot like even at 2-3% rate, or even better at 5% rate? They would be swimming in gold, so far nations do not do that too much because why would they? We do not have gold standard, but if Russia starts to do that, they would be able to actually purchase so many and would be like scrooge mcduck and his gold vault.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Scripture on April 23, 2022, 10:39:50 PM
Sometimes I wonder how long Putin will last with increasing pressure against him. Unless he acts quickly to help restore the economy, his regime won't last soon. We'll see how Russia's currency will perform by the end of the year as the US and the EU continue to tighten sanctions.
Perhaps reading Putin's intentions is too difficult since the Ukraine war broke out.  but i'm just looking at the existence of the russian economy, how the ruble will react to their dire conditions, at least they have had some positive results moving gas payments in dong  rubles, it pulls liquidity from Russia's local currency.  But this isn't going to last long, they look at a bitcoin-backed ruble mechanism / bitcoin legitimacy one that will happen soon I guess.  But bitcoin is stuck between Putin and the EU.  Lol
Russia wont give up on this and they will do everything to survive their economy because they know the sanctions is hard for them but since there’s gold and Bitcoin, this could be a game changer for Russia but I hope they realize good thing first before the worst to happen. Let’s see how the big countries will deal with this one, almost all EU countries are affected on this.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Ozero on April 24, 2022, 04:03:35 PM
I am skeptical of claims russia will back the ruble with gold.
I think you are right in your doubts, especially since this is not a peg of the ruble to gold, but an obligation to buy gold at a fixed price in rubles, that is, support for the ruble from below.

I think a full return to the gold standard in a single country is impossible and impractical. Partly because the price of gold is determined by a consortium of several banks and this mechanism is not entirely market driven, not 100% determined by the current balance of supply and demand (therefore, spreads between the prices of "paper" and "physical" gold are regularly observed).

Pegging the ruble to gas is a more interesting phenomenon, because money in itself is a kind of life force equivalent and tying a specific currency to a specific energy resource does not look too artificial, and therefore the "gas_ruble" can be successful and viable, like the "oil_dollar" for example.
Pegging the ruble to gold could, if properly managed, boost the Russian economy under normal conditions of existence. But Russia is now at war with Ukraine and is spending enormous amounts of money on it. In addition, international sanctions are already rapidly isolating Russia on the international stage and destroying its economy. Therefore, no peg of the ruble to gold will help Russia now. They simply will not be able to do it, because the level of inflation and unemployment will soon go through the roof.
Linking the ruble to gas or oil is also a belated decision, because civilized countries have already developed programs for the gradual abandonment of oil and gas and the transition to alternative energy sources in connection with the need to combat abrupt climate change. Russia's aggression against Ukraine has further accelerated this process. Russia would soon have no where to put its oil and gas, and under sanctions it would be a disaster for it.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Mometaskers on April 24, 2022, 04:56:49 PM
Been hearing this for years, sometimes the gossip is they are in cahoots with China to bring back the gold standard. If they really want to do this then they should do this now. Under peacetime I would say it's not a bad idea to peg the currency to gold. Especially with what's happening to the dollar recently.

Whether that's going to solve their wartime economic woes would be different matter, especially with sanctions limiting what transactions can be done.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DrBeer on April 24, 2022, 07:20:56 PM
Been hearing this for years, sometimes the gossip is they are in cahoots with China to bring back the gold standard. If they really want to do this then they should do this now. Under peacetime I would say it's not a bad idea to peg the currency to gold. Especially with what's happening to the dollar recently.

Whether that's going to solve their wartime economic woes would be different matter, especially with sanctions limiting what transactions can be done.

Forget the fairy tale "Russia and China"! China, of course, is still that "nut", but China is well aware that its economy depends on partners, even ideological opponents, but those who bring investments to China, who provide technology, and who provide a market for Chinese goods. And Russia for China is just a resource appendage, which it manipulates as China needs. Plus, "not far off" is the resolution of the issue of "the historical lands of China temporarily in the possession of Russia", and this is almost everything from the Urals to the far east of Russia.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Abiky on April 25, 2022, 01:35:06 AM
With how things are panning out with this war, I believe, Russians are ready to replace Putin. One big wrong move of Putin and he will find himself ousted by his people. Actually, this war already is his one mistake. And we don't know the authenticity of the news of backing the ruble with gold. Maybe, just to change the mindset of other countries which are losing their trust to their government.

That's certainly true, mate. Putin made the worst mistake of his life by putting his country off the world stage. Now almost everyone is against Russia, putting down both its economical and political status on the ground. Unless Putin decides to stop the invasion, things will only get worse in the long run. It's likely Russian people will turn against the government due to ever-increasing economic pressure. I don't think backing the Ruble with Gold will bring back the economy, especially when the country is stripped away from international trade. No one knows what other measures the US and its allies will take against Russia, so we can only hope for the worst. As long as peace between Russia and Ukraine is restored, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Sir Legend on April 25, 2022, 03:26:59 AM
It's a good idea if the ruble or other currency is immediately backed by gold, this can maintain the stability of the currency, gold and silver have become currencies of the past and have proven to be resistant to inflation and even though the number continues to grow but never makes its value go down because gold always increases in price.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Mometaskers on April 26, 2022, 02:28:03 PM
Been hearing this for years, sometimes the gossip is they are in cahoots with China to bring back the gold standard. If they really want to do this then they should do this now. Under peacetime I would say it's not a bad idea to peg the currency to gold. Especially with what's happening to the dollar recently.

Whether that's going to solve their wartime economic woes would be different matter, especially with sanctions limiting what transactions can be done.

Forget the fairy tale "Russia and China"! China, of course, is still that "nut", but China is well aware that its economy depends on partners, even ideological opponents, but those who bring investments to China, who provide technology, and who provide a market for Chinese goods. And Russia for China is just a resource appendage, which it manipulates as China needs. Plus, "not far off" is the resolution of the issue of "the historical lands of China temporarily in the possession of Russia", and this is almost everything from the Urals to the far east of Russia.

Yes, it'll be more like just another North Korea for China. Though I think if China would ever want to pull this off, it'll include Russia in the plans. Like, what other huge country could it get on board its plans to replace the US as the global hegemon. That's why I've always said the war in Ukraine is bad for Russia since once it gets isolated it'll be more easy for China to get it to do its bidding.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Pejoh Asu on April 28, 2022, 04:17:42 AM
Russia is aware that only with gold support can be a solution for strong finances and is resistant to inflation, and of course makes public trust and even the world increases because they are not worried about gold, and I hope the idea can happen soon and many countries are worthy The idea of the Russian government.


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DrBeer on April 28, 2022, 09:33:20 AM
Russia is aware that only with gold support can be a solution for strong finances and is resistant to inflation, and of course makes public trust and even the world increases because they are not worried about gold, and I hope the idea can happen soon and many countries are worthy The idea of the Russian government.

It won't help them.
Firstly, gold reserves, although significant, are not unlimited. Moreover, operations related to the sovereign debt of Russia are blocked, which means that Russia can replenish gold reserves only by buying out the domestic product, but cannot buy on the foreign market.
Secondly, where will she sell gold in order to get the currency, without which, after some time, imported components and high-tech equipment for gold mining will run out and that's all :) And there is nowhere to sell gold, or to China, and at a dumping price, because China wants it that way, and Russia, out of habit, will follow the order of the "big brother"!


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Abiky on April 29, 2022, 01:31:16 AM
It won't help them.
Firstly, gold reserves, although significant, are not unlimited. Moreover, operations related to the sovereign debt of Russia are blocked, which means that Russia can replenish gold reserves only by buying out the domestic product, but cannot buy on the foreign market.
Secondly, where will she sell gold in order to get the currency, without which, after some time, imported components and high-tech equipment for gold mining will run out and that's all :) And there is nowhere to sell gold, or to China, and at a dumping price, because China wants it that way, and Russia, out of habit, will follow the order of the "big brother"!

Without international support, Russia will be doomed to failure. I can't see how backing the Ruble against Gold will have any positive effect over the country's economy, especially when it's almost impossible to do so. Putin's days are numbered, so the faster Russia changes its regime, the better it'll be for the country.

I'd say the US and its allies did a great job in trying to punish Putin's actions. But I believe that more needs to be done in order to stop the invasion for good. Once Russia backtracks, then it's possible the economy will restore itself at a slow and steady pace. Who knows what lies ahead for the Ruble before the year's end? Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: DrBeer on April 29, 2022, 05:55:56 PM
It won't help them.
Firstly, gold reserves, although significant, are not unlimited. Moreover, operations related to the sovereign debt of Russia are blocked, which means that Russia can replenish gold reserves only by buying out the domestic product, but cannot buy on the foreign market.
Secondly, where will she sell gold in order to get the currency, without which, after some time, imported components and high-tech equipment for gold mining will run out and that's all :) And there is nowhere to sell gold, or to China, and at a dumping price, because China wants it that way, and Russia, out of habit, will follow the order of the "big brother"!

Without international support, Russia will be doomed to failure. I can't see how backing the Ruble against Gold will have any positive effect over the country's economy, especially when it's almost impossible to do so. Putin's days are numbered, so the faster Russia changes its regime, the better it'll be for the country.

I'd say the US and its allies did a great job in trying to punish Putin's actions. But I believe that more needs to be done in order to stop the invasion for good. Once Russia backtracks, then it's possible the economy will restore itself at a slow and steady pace. Who knows what lies ahead for the Ruble before the year's end? Just my thoughts ;D

I have repeatedly said that today's Russia with its rashist regime, world terror, both military and economic, should be perceived as a cancerous tumor on the world map. In medicine, for this class of diseases, there is only one solution - the destruction of the tumor, its metastasis (LNR, DNR, PMR, .....). Otherwise, after a while the tumor will reappear, and will be even more aggressive.
Therefore, the outcome of the meeting in Ramstein was one beautifully formulated goal - to weaken Russia to such a level that it could no longer accumulate forces sufficient to repeat the aggression against its neighbors. And when such a goal is achieved, no one will be interested in what will happen to the ruble, since it will most likely remain the currency of the most depressive territory "Moscow Republic", which for many decades will pay reparations to all the countries affected by its aggression :)




Title: Re: Gold-backed ruble could be a game-changer
Post by: Semar Mesem on April 30, 2022, 03:21:10 PM
There is no doubt that by making Gold a supporter of Ruble it will make the community's trust increase and increasingly make the Russian economy more stable even when the threat of sanctions will not have any impact.