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Hi
This guy scammed me for 90$

davidTef
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3397199

he is newbie but please block his account so he wont be bale to scam others!!

He deleted our conversation on telegram after I ent him the money! But I Exported our full chat html file. I can share it with any legendary member if its required!

Please band this son of a bitch!
Thanks

Can't see why you need to wait for a legendary member to share your evidence. If you raise an accusation against someone, you should as well brings the supporting evidences ti back up your claim with or without having someone to ask.

Two, how sure are you that the tg username who scammed you is the owner of the account in reference and not someone else using the inactive account as their... "collateral"? The said account's last activity was five months ago, just day after his account is created.

Three... why do you even trust someone with such details --newbie, one day old account, never to be seen on the forum anymore, most likely an alt account of someone-- to have a transaction with?

These excuse are the reasons that made this forum the best place for scammers!! Made this forum a useless forum!

I have never been scammed by any members in other forums like nulled. crackedto etc! you know why? Cause they have better rules and supervision! At least they do not let scammers scams loyal users easily and get away with that!

Its a shame that no one is doing anything about that! No one cares here as far as I can say!

1. Why would I share my personal conversation with all users (Considering that almost half of them are scammers)?! Does the other users have the ability to ban the reported person?!!! No!! Only some admins have that power and I will share my personal conversation only with them!

2. That is something your forums needs to make sure about that by verifying users telegram/discord/whatsapp etc account or something like that! You are allowing the users to provide any shit details without any proof on their profiles! Even everyone can send negative trust feedback to others!!  By the way thanks for explaining this and make the scammers aware of the tricks they can use to fuel people by making this accuse that the telegram account was not mine or some shits like that! Thank you hero member holydarkness!!!
 
3. I trusted the guy because I dont want to believe this forum became useless! But now I believe this the truth! btctalk is the hangout place of scammers due to its low quality rules and low supervision! Also I asked from a legendary member to provide a escrow service and he refused to do it! He said he can not guarantee the sellers keys will work! So?!! If I am not able to even use escrow service then what the f... can I do? What the f... did you provide to make the deals safe?

I just feel sorry for this forum! Thats all I can say!
I dont care if the scammer is going to be banned or not! I dont give a shit anymore! Even if the user is banned, he will create a new account on this useless forum!

My recommendation to all: Stay Away From This Forum!

First of all, never heard of those forums, but a quick google search told me that both forums are a cracking forum. Not gonna questions your morals here for using cracked programs --and from your post history, it seems that is your line of works-- because hey, who hasn't ever used a free cracked program? But, comparing a cracking community and an open crypto forum is like comparing an apple to a spaghetti. If you deemed this forum useless though, you are free to leave. Kindly take comfort in the thought that took place in each of our heart that you'll be sorely missed.

One thing that you should bear in mind though, this forum didn't just let scammers run free scamming their loyal members. The very board where you post this thread is the living proof of it. They gave a space for people to report the scam attempt and if the accusations is proven to be true, actions will be taken. There are a lot of people dedicating their time to hunt for scammers and report them here properly. They dedicate their day to do a dig on projects to prevent other people from being scammed. So before you leave for good, please withdraw that harsh and heart stabbing soul clenching statement that hurts our core so deeply.

And what shameful is, IMO, how you get from one to 180 just because someone asked for more details. People on this forum will do something about the case that is, apparently, a mortal thorn to your flesh. But we are not passing judgement simply by a statement without evidence, a hearsay if you prefer the more official term. There are protocols to be taken, and I am rather sure this applies to a lot of platform, even the judicial system of the world itself will not persecute someone just because someone else said they stole from him without proper evidence. Certainly you'll agree that it's not fair if I came to the police in your country --wherever that is-- and ask you to be jailed because you stole something from me, and they did exactly that without requiring me to provide details and evidences?

If the two forums you said above, who --if I may conclude from your apple-to-spaghetti comparison, protect their members by blindly throwing ban hammer to anyone simply by a hearsay without asking for proper evidence, I would advise to stay away from those forum instead of the ones who took proper course like this forum.

Now, for point number 1, why should you share your personal conversation with all users --not all, actually, just a handfull or even nonexistent according to your earlier statement-- I'll invite you to be properly acquainted with a term called "rule" and "guidelines". We live in a world that follows rules and guidelines, it is what prevent chaos falling upon us. As for this case, I'd like you to meet forum's rule and guideline to report a scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0). Kindly allow me to quote the guideline for you so you can see them easier:


I've nicely leave something in red for you to consider. If you still insist to not giving the evidences and
choose ask for forum moderator to ban the said user because no one have the power to do anything for that thorn in your flesh though, I wonder why you even bother wasting your time to create this thread? You're more than welcome to directly PM the mods. The mod for this board will be Cyrus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147). Just... don't act so surprised if he asked you to provide evidences or follow the proper protocol by filing you accusation on an accusation board --yes, this very thread, so it'll be easier to just gives the evidence here. Mods of this forum are not the ones who passes ban hammer blindly, they're not a fan of whack-a-mole.

Number two, I believe there is this notification system on forum's PM that warns people to be careful if they get a message from newbies. This is why they have rank system, which further reinforced by the rule of merit, to make it harder for people to randomly create tens of thousands of account and rank them up for the sole purpose of building credentials to scam others. A small tip: verifying users' telegram is very easy on this forum. Check their post history, there is a chance that they posted their tg handler somewhere on some thread. If they didn't, PM them. A "hello, are you the tg handler of --let's say-- @iamnotascammer who PM me on telegram?" is more than enough to get the ties of the account and the tg verified. It's called due diligence. If you didn't do your DD on each of your transaction and ends up being scammed by someone at one point just because they say they're from this forum, let alone the one with almost nonexistent activity and whose account has been dormant for so long, wouldn't it be cruel to blame it on the forum?

For the tricks, though, oh please, dont turn your recklessness into a blind rage and blame it on someone, nor put words to other people's lips. I didn't educate anyone of a very brilliant and mindblowing scam method, it's an old trick used by many, claiming someone else's account or credentials as their own to scam people. If this is new news for you, I'd firstly congratulate you for finally moving out from the rock you've been under for so long, followed by an advice to broaden your horizon.

Number three, hmm... you put me in a very tight and difficult dilemma, a legendary member refuses to provide escrow service for a logical and acceptable reason --he can not guarantee the sellers keys will work. Oh dear Luci, what a very difficult situation indeed. Now I can see your difficult situation. If only there are other escrow services on this forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0), oh dear, not even a list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047302.0) or two (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0), clearly it is forum's fault to make our so difficult to get a secure transaction which made people ended up being scammed.

See? My last sentence is called a sarcasm, in case that is a new thing for you too. And the content of the sentence is what we call a DD. If you didn't do your DD, it's your fault. We are here to help as best as we can. If you refuse to get the help by following the proper format though, there's nothing we can do. One thing you can do for sure is to man up and own the blame instead of throwing and sharing them to as many entities as you can. This is not a black friday sale, no one interested and enthusiastic enough to be blamed for something that's entirely not their fault, or to be the punching bag of your very own incompetence.

So this is the summary: if you want to file a scam accusation, there is a format that is rather required and preferred by the forum, which in it, includes the action of giving evidences. We didn't persecute blindly here. Also, please don't keep your hopes high. The account --as previously and repeately stated-- that's supposed to be the scammer's account is a newbie account. Best we can give you is banning the user, but as the account itself awfully looks like a disposable account, it won't affect the scammers too much. Suppose the account is indeed scamming you, the real owner is probably has hundreds of other accounts. That is why, my sweet sugar cube, practice cautions whenever you trade with newbie accounts. The forum has facilitate best security it can offer, the decision to utilize the tools provided is entirely lies on the common sense of each of the user.

P.s.: i know what'll probably crossed your mind while reading this nice rant of mine. I've safe you some time, don't bother typing it again, I've state what's on your mind --and other people I've wronged, either by exposing their scam attempt or giving back their nicely arranged rage post that's wrongly addressed-- on my personal message, right there on the left part of this post, below my stat. You're welcome... and adieu, in case you still deemed this forum is not worthy enough of your mighty presence.

Useless forum and yet you are still here  ::)

Nobody is going to spoon-feed you here. Your money, your responsibility. It was the whole idea of Bitcoin, right?

You seem to be in the wrong place.

The just shut up and stop complaining to us. PM the admins and see if they will respond to you.

Wow, KYC on a Bitcoin forum, are you hearing yourself?

Maybe you should stop making shitty deals. No one forced you to send any money to the scammer. You really sound like a 13 year old.

We feel more sorry for you.

Like the forum cares  ;D

Make this your last post and don't ever come back but I'm sure you will with a new account :D, in the first place the forum did not invite you here, you joined here at your own will, if the forum did not meet your expectation it's your own choice to leave, it's your own fault why you got scam the forum has no obligation to you.

You are asking theymos to require KYC from every user to protect you and some other fool? C'mon, man. It's your responsibility to keep yourself protected from the scammer. This forum is way bigger than you can imagine (at least a hundred times than your said forum). How can you imagine applying KYC to them or even monitoring them through rules? What can the rule even do if you are going to trust someone who has no trading history here; nor any feedback earned. It's your fault, you have no one to blame here.

No, that won't happen. Even if you post proof to back up your claims of that user being a scammer, admins won't ban him. The community can tag him as a scammer though to warn others not to deal with him ever again.

Why do you think Legendary members can help you? I am a legendary member and I can't help you get your money back or have the user banned.

No one is going to hold your hand and tell you what to do. You have to learn that yourself. It's your job to know who you are dealing with, not anyone else's. If it were up to me, scammers would be banned, however, that is not the case. So be careful and vigilant and don't do things that you will later regret.

Then you made a mistake of trusting the wrong person. What you believe is irrelevant and doesn't change what this forum is.   

I would say the escrow agent (whoever he is) acted professionally and accordingly. Whatever keys you were trying to buy probably shouldn't have been bought/sold here in the first place. Buy it from the official sources and not from some unknown person with 1 post. If you want to partake in illegal activities, be prepared to face the consequences and be scammed. You don't go crying to the police that your drug dealer scammed you when you wanted to buy some heroin for your friends. When you attempt to purchase keys (for a software probably) that might have been obtained illegally, you don't come here crying what an awful place this is.

The forum, just like Bitcoin, gives you the freedom to make your own decisions. You made the wrong one. All you can do now is post whatever proof you have and minimize the alleged scammer's chancers of scamming someone again.

I have to admit, you piqued my curiosity, and given you're still online today, I think you deemed this forum rather not-useless?

One thing to address first --since I don't think you will respond to those eye opening posts made by me and others about how you should start to learn the proper way to use the internet-- is how your post history revealed that you've been once fell into a scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280156.msg55320695#msg55320695) which made you lost 200$. You have my sympathy on this, given that you're still rather new to the forum and probably didn't know well that dealing with newbies should be done with cautions --and escrow, preferably--, but judging from your next post on other thread --completely unrelated to the topic on that thread-- we can see that you have the tendency to... distribute blames like santa during christmas.


Rikafip even gave you a nice advise, which shows that member of this forum --contrary to your belief-- helps and took care of each of their members, which you simply didn't heed on this most recent case because you're too lazy to look for other escrow --or probably even bother doing anything to make your transaction secure. Probably because, "hey, I can always distribute the blame to anyone on the forum."


But all above is not the only reason why I poke you again. It's also because of this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385814.msg59808915#msg59808915):

https://i.ibb.co/58hNBw0/Amin-schamin.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

The situation is, you asked for Ms. Office Home & Business, bumping your thread several times and Sutairu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2005200) finally approached you by saying that they've PM you on telegram. Being scammed once by Sutairu, nguyentung97 was actually kind enough to warn you that Sutairu is a scammer --tagged the scammer, btw-- so that the same unfortunate fate that fell upon them didn't fell on you too. If you even bother to look at the screenshots, you'll see that nguyentung97 gave a good evidence for your reference on how Sutairu ignored them after they send payment. Your reaction? A rage post.

I changed my mind. Please take your leave from this forum, you and your toxic behavior will do us a favor by leaving us alone. Sayonara.