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Title: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: libert19 on May 05, 2022, 09:24:07 AM
It appears they like to keep it in early access forever?

Do you know reason?


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: SFR10 on May 06, 2022, 03:00:11 PM
It appears they like to keep it in early access forever?

Do you know reason?
I just finished talking to one of their staff and he/she mentioned that it'll go to the next phase in the very near future [regardless of the time it has taken so far, a polished app is way better than using an unstable one]:
Btw, you might want to edit the subject field (Samourai) [it could lead to a phishing website in the future]!

https://i.imgur.com/yRv5an5.jpg


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: witcher_sense on May 09, 2022, 08:52:42 AM
It appears they like to keep it in early access forever?

Do you know reason?
There is very little information regarding the rationale behind the Samourai wallet staying in the early access stage for so long. I only found this small piece:

Samourai is still “early access” which means that there are no Google ratings or comments.

which may give some sort of food for thought.

Perhaps, it stays in early access so that no one on Google Pay can criticize its privacy drawbacks, unreproducibility of builds, developers' rude behavior, etc. Samourai devs can't stand any kind of criticism, instead of explaining things they attack anyone who dares to ask uncomfortable questions.

I outlined some of concerns in another thread:

Samourai Wallet is not a good alternative to Wasabi Wallet and never has been because:
1) Samourai Wallet knows everything about your transactions since all the addresses and public keys go through their server. If you connect to their trusted node, it only gives you a false sense of security and privacy due to the fact that everything is already exposed to their server, and their node does nothing but simply relaying transactions. I think they can easily demix you because they will know your incoming and outgoing transactions. [1]
2) They constantly lie about their wallet being reproducible while in fact, it is not, which was checked and proved many times. In my opinion, if it is not reproducible, it is closed-sourced and probably malicious. [2]
3) Their sockpuppets are attacking Giacomo Zucco just for the fact that when talking about CoinJoin implementations in his famous article regarding privacy, he put Samourai after Wasabi and JoinMarket. Clearly, he should have mentioned it first to not offend and hurt feelings of Samourai developers! [3][4]


[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9r9344/comment/e8fm1v8/
[2] https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.samourai.wallet/
[3] https://t.me/nobullshitbitcoin/2615?comment=14516
[4] https://giacomozucco.com/a-treatise-on-bitcoin-and-privacy-part-1-a-match-made-in-the-whitepaper


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: Husires on June 20, 2022, 10:15:54 AM
I remember that there was a detailed discussion about legitimate concerns, which raised many questions, most of which the developer team did not manage to answer.

If you have time to follow the story, these links are good for you to know about it

  • https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9r9344/slp29_samourai_wallet_bitcoin_privacy_software/e8fm1v8/
  • https://nopara73.medium.com/samouraileaks-samouraidevs-sockpuppet-exposed-7ce654b92c0b
  • https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.samourai.wallet/

You can search on the Internet and you will find more, so the developer team is trying to disclaim all responsibility using that phrase.


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: Agbe on July 14, 2022, 01:45:37 PM
It appears they like to keep it in early access forever?

Do you know reason?

How secure it is? Although the description on the site is nice. As it is said on the site that, there is no email, and no ID checking, you just installed it and use it. It is more of decentralized Wallet. You control your funds by yourself without the participation of the wallet programmers. https://samouraiwallet.com


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: BitMaxz on July 14, 2022, 03:08:18 PM
How secure it is? Although the description on the site is nice. As it is said on the site that, there is no email, and no ID checking, you just installed it and use it. It is more of decentralized Wallet. You control your funds by yourself without the participation of the wallet programmers. https://samouraiwallet.com

For now, it is still safe to use since it doesn't have bad issues reported yet on GitHub. It's questionable why they still keep it (early access).

And another thing that I noticed is that they release new updates on Playstore but look at the open-source below

- https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/samourai-wallet-android

It seems they are planning something because they don't release the open-source one on Github so we can't tell if we can trust them. So I think it would be better to use a different wallet than using this wallet.


Title: Re: Samourai wallet in early access as far as I can remember..
Post by: witcher_sense on July 15, 2022, 04:22:44 AM
And another thing that I noticed is that they release new updates on Playstore but look at the open-source below

- https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/samourai-wallet-android

It seems they are planning something because they don't release the open-source one on Github so we can't tell if we can trust them. So I think it would be better to use a different wallet than using this wallet.
Samourai Wallet's source code is published on their website: https://code.samourai.io/wallet/samourai-wallet-android

But you still have to trust the devs because the source code of the wallet doesn't match published binaries. https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.samourai.wallet/

How secure it is? Although the description on the site is nice. As it is said on the site that, there is no email, and no ID checking, you just installed it and use it. It is more of decentralized Wallet. You control your funds by yourself without the participation of the wallet programmers. https://samouraiwallet.com
Unless you are running your own Dojo server (Samourai's implementation of full node based on Bitcoin Core), you're sharing all your public keys and addresses with Samourai devs.