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Why do gamers try as much as possible to avoid graphic cards that have been used for mining before? Is this even making sense because it looks like tech illiteracy to me, does it makes any difference when mining to gaming because my gaming PC is always built ot upgrade with GPU that I have used for mining and there isn't any issue.

Most ppl dont like used stuff...

If i were to say some pc gamers get it and some dont i would be confident I am at least 90% correct.

I have seen plenty of miner beat the shit out of cards

but I have also seen lots of gamers beat on cards.
 
Also accurate.

As a miner If I need cards I buy used on ebay all the time (if prices are good)

I dont fear used cards purchased on ebay and to be honest I never had to return an ebay card. used or new.

Think of it this way,

Would you buy a car whose previous owner used to drive the shit out of it and has higher mileage, or would you go for one with a lower mileage if you have some extra cash to spend?

The cards used for mining run almost 24/7 so while some people wouldn't care so long as the cost was friendly, if I were in the gamer's shoes, I would try looking for other options if there were any.

Gaming exerts heat/cooling cycles on the video card while mining is a stable 24/7 load. Gaming power usage is higher than mining for most coins. Heat cycles tend to crack solder joints over time, which is the most common reason a video card becomes defective.

But unfortunately, logic & reason does not matter to gamers, so they can continue experiencing higher failure rates.

Ok I heard you but.....

1. Mining 24/7 means your gpu are in the most stable state.
2. Miners cares about power consumption and they go with minimal watts to safe electricity.
3. All algorithms aren't the same, some are very healthy for GPUs and very few aren't.
4. Gamers dont care about power consumption, they operate at full power.
5. Games render both core clock and mem clock at once but mining use one more than the other.

Still I am standing on my point that gamers know too less about graphic cards and miners understand graphic cards more.

I know when I'm building a gaming rig, a lot of effort goes into making sure everything will work together properly and there won't be any bottlenecks for performance.  GPUs that have been used for mining have usually been beat to hell, running in hot conditions at max usage with their fans at 100% for sometimes years.  No gamer wants to deal with squeaking fans or GPUs that might have issues and damage a PSU... 

So I understand completely why gamers wouldn't want a GPU that's been used for mining.  I wouldn't either.  I've experienced so many different problems with used GPUs...  It's definitely a thing.

It's almost impossible to get a final answer here  :D

You can get good cards from miners who cared about cards, good temps, good fan condition etc, but it's an electronic device, and even with all cares, you can have an issue in a few months
You can also get a good card from a miner who only cares about Mhs, 100% fan all time, hot condition, but the card can handle a couple of years more.

Miners can get cards from gamers too

In a gamer PC, the card will have less use, probably 4 or 6 hours daily max of intense use, but the voltages, temps, and frequency are more volatile, while miners are stable
We can have a good comparisson with cars like user above said

Do you prefer a car used in big cities for example, with more usage of engine, brakes etc with less mileage
or
a car with more mileage, but only used in roads?

Hard to get an answer, but I can conclude the price is the key factor here, if you pay a good price, you can try an used card, I have some friends who bought RX 470s from China miners, and cards are still running for casual gamer

Yep.  Most gamers that are not side mining run their cards to the max  for 3-5 hours shut the gear off and power up a day later. Thus killing gear.

Any sane rational gpu miner know to under volt and clock properly.

I have 1080ti's still working 24/7/365 since dec 2017 which is actually more like 24/7/1700

Tired of gamers they are simply economic fools (unless they side mine while sleeping).

Honestly as a miner I am about 980 and 20 with cards since 2012

At least 150 were used. The used are likely  150 and 0.

My evga are in the prefect range  say 200 and 0

Mostly

 MSI
 Asus Dual
 Gigabyte
 Power color

are the failed ones.
 

Yes gamers don’t want any GPUs where they were used for mining. I lost maybe 25% of my used GPU sales due to this.

When you got more than 4 GPUs for sale, it’s easy to tell you mined with them. No point in denying it. Many people didn’t care. Some just wanted to make sure it still works and that’s it.

However there are those that didn’t complete the sale when I told them they were mined with. Nothing I could do.

I think the only reason why gamers are pissed with miners is because of the price per GPU when mining is profitable, most gamers can't even upgrade their graphic cards since last year because they are over MSRP, only gamers that don't understand how GPU works says a GPU used for mining is bad for gaming.

Personally in my gaming rig I still have a Rx 580 8 GB which has been used for mining at 85% fan speed for at least 4 years before I installed it in my gaming rig.It runs flawlessly and really cool with the average fan speed.I think gamers are being a bit picky on used cards,sure they may be used at 100% of their capacity but this does not mean that they are not going to work in gaming or that they are going to die soon,personally I have not experienced any of this.

Gamers aren't miners friend to begin with, they look at miners as criminals who would go on any lent to make money and me I just use them to laugh  :D it's clear that they don't even understand what's good and what's bad for graphic cards and they pretend as if they knew it all.

First of all if the prices of the gpu were lowered it would be good for all gamers and miners, the gpu that have been used for mining, squeezed to the maximum of their capacity have a shorter life cycle than a gpu with normal wear, i just think that's why they are avoided

Most casual gamers in my country use $140-$200 video cards, they are 8-18 year olds. I myself play on such a video card, and in my free time I use it in mining.Now a new video card can be bought cheaper than a used one.

yeah a complete falsehood. I know my 150-200 cards in hand are perfectly fine for gamers to buy (if I were to sell them)

My cards are properly treated

In America, sellers write that the video card was used or not used in mining?
In Russia, some sellers write this, but some of these sellers constantly sell video cards :)

Because PC gaming is serous business. Have you ever played a competitive PC game before? I used to play dota/dota2 a lot. I heard the most vicious curses in those games which I haven't heard anywhere before. If you are a retarded nub your teammates will kill and fuck your mother countless times till your grandfather is dead and then blacklist your ass. PC gaming is that serious, so is buying GPU's. You can't imagine how much curse ETH miners have been getting because PC gamers couldn't find fine GPU's on the shelves.

Gaming doesn't redline your memory clock 24/7, the end.

and only mentally ill miners max their clocks.

All my clocks for ram are well under redline.


This is the critical reason my cards do not break.


setting a 3080 non lhr to 100+ core and 800 ram with 235 watts with 60% fans  yields good numbers without stressing the cards.


putting the cards in these rigs

https://minerdude.com/product/x12012022/. saves the cards.

I have 100% rate on my rtx  3000 cards.

Not a single one has failed since fall of 2020

Repeat not a single one has failed.

If a gamer wants a card and does not buy from me (when and if I sell) he is stupid. End of story.

It’s hard to say which GPU is better

1) Which was overvolted and overclocked inside an closed computer case with bad ventilation which was gamed for 1-2 hours a day for 1 year.

2) Under bolted and under clocked open air GPU which was used 24/7/365.

Which would you pick if you were a buyer?

from my experience if you treat cards properly while mining they last and don't break

I build for gamers , miners, (gamer/miner)

My rigs are very trouble free and they use older gpu's I mined with correctly.  I do not get many returns. With year old mining gpus.

Most people that really game hard push cards hard really hard.

And they blow up their cards often.

If you read the EVGA forums a ton of people run 3090's at 450 watts. I run mine at 295-315 watts. I have 18 3090's with a fail rate of 0

gamers kill off their 3090's a lot more often than I do.


lots of threads on dead gear

https://forums.evga.com/Second-3090-FTW-Hybrid-dead-m3552346.aspx

https://forums.evga.com/2-out-of-3-fans-on-my-3090-dead-Worth-doing-an-RMA-just-for-2-dead-fans-m3552188.aspx


https://forums.evga.com/3090-FTW-Hybrid-Death-Dilemma-m3552147.aspx


https://forums.evga.com/RTX-3090-EVGA-FTW3-Starts-to-desktop-and-then-lose-signal-m3550942.aspx

Similar to what I was thinking. Miners take better care of their hardware. Sometimes they even mine in a data centre environment,
clean, dry and cool.

Once I understood gpu mining is a marathon and not a sprint I never power cards hard I never power fans hard I never do the higher memory clock settings.

if a 3090 can do 1100 + on smos for its best I find how low I can do for the clock say 850

I rather the card do 107-111 mh and never fuck up then do 121 mh and die in six months.

Which country are you from @FP91G, I really want to know because I haven't heard where new things are more costly than used things, it doesn't make any sense and if it's true I will like buy from your country, will be more easier if there is a online store based in your country too.

That's right, spending +10% on power just to get a +3% increase in hashrate usually isn't worth it. Thermal capacity can also be a problem. Let's say I rent a house which has enough tons of A/C to handle 100 video cards. If I cut power usage by 10%, I can fit 110 cards, which actually means 7% more hashrate.

Overclocking graphic cards isn't good, gamers do this many times but not miners, this is one of the ways that a GPU can die very fast, we want to run graphic cards in a cooling state than OCing for max performance, this is pro miner's way.

I already know that. I was talking about underclocking even more.

Mining keeps graphic cards alive than gaming, I have a 3070 ti with a high temp issue and I've ordered for thermal pad and paste but I am still able to use this graphic card for gaming because I just use MSI Afterburner to downclock the graphic card and the memory temp is stable at 87°C.   . so you are right gamers don't know anything about graphic cards like miners do.

Makes sense, using a 3070 Ti for gaming and my power consumption is 180watt, fixed with MSI afterburner and set to auto after every reboots, with heavy gaming I've not seen near 90°C on memory temp.

my friend bought 5700xt before mining craze he is only using it for gaming while i also have 5700xt use for mining. mine still alive and kicking while his 5700xt broke down after warranty. just sharing.

There can be many reasons for a broken video card. Stupid people buy gaming computers in small cases because they are beautiful and compact, but the graphics card gets very hot there. And if this PC is not cleaned and listened to for several years, then breakdowns are possible. And miners monitor the temperature of the video card, so their equipment works for a long time.

I don't think the lack of maintainance of a PC case is the reason why GPUs fail. They generally usually only fail due to a manufactuering defect. The only component that a bad case can have on a GPU is the fans can die quicker because they spin faster and longer. On the bios there are safe guards to shutdown the GPU if the temperature gets too high or start throttling.

Correct, I used to own a 1660 GTX that I use for gaming and I have those gaming cases that have transparent cover on won't looks shiny and attractive but after I upgraded my GPU to 3070 ti my temp jumps higher after 3 minutes of gaming, I had to open the case and underclock the GPU then the result is so dearing,