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Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

Bitcointalk isn't the only method of advertising that crypto casinos use. I don't even think we're THAT big of a source for users, but it is a hub for new users to know what's up since there are countless threads about the majority of the well-known casinos here. All in all, I'd say yes they can, since the market isn't limited here in the forum. Now if you were solely specifying the forum, then I don't think they'd be able to keep up, unless users of the casino themselves were to bump and talk about the casino within a mega thread of their own.

We cannot really know unless they share their data on gambling activity and new user registration. We can only guess from using other metrics like their ANN activity and website visits.

In case of those two casinos, I also noticed a drop in their forum popularity. For sure the stoppage of their long-time sig campaigns also contributed to that but I think the main reason was their inability to pay withdrawals on time.

Another case we could use is Bitsler. They ran a campaign here before but they decided to stop also. As I can see, their ANN has not been so active unlike other casinos with ongoing campaigns. In addition to that, there's someone recommending avoiding it because of the changes in policies about rewards ^[1]. I think we can now assume that the drop in rewards can be attributed to the decrease in their revenue. That decrease might have been caused by lack of marketing here in the forum or in other platforms.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5399656.0

In my opinion, passionate Bitcoin legends make this place worth it for related or niche companies/businesses. If you take away the passion and strong leadership skills, it will be less attractive to people like me and companies won't do well. By the way, I like how they give everyone the opportunity to earn a living rather than piling up the rewards for themselves alone.

In regards to Bitvest and the other, it's more of a problem of the unseen. There are problems that needs to be avoided/eliminated otherwise things may never remain thesame.

Sure why not? All of the forum advertising through signature campaigns, bounty stuff etc all helps these casinos and people to become aware of them but they aren’t 100% reliant on the forum and if they were they likely wouldn’t last very long. Of course again there’s a reason they advertise here and that’s because it works, but it’s not 100% essential.

bitcointalk is not the only place to advertise to get exposure and to get possible gamblers. if a casino ever plans to pull all their presence away here on bitcointalk I think they'll be fine. as for Bitvest and 777Coin, their situation is different, even before Lightlord became sick the gambling sites already have issues which only worsens when Lightlord got sick.

As far as I know gambling site ads, not just one place, most of them do ads like facebook, TV, Twitter, Google and many other places they can advertise their gambling sites.

Back to your question, actually they have a comparison of the percentage of users who enter and bet on this forum and the advertising sites out there, the comparison is definitely there, many gambling sites on this forum put sig ads for only a few weeks, meaning they know more support outside or on this forum, bottom line: the answer to your question is of course they can survive without sig.

The signature campaign, being active here  and ads here in Bitcointalk are such a big help for new and old casinos if they stopped doing these things in their first two years I don't think they can establish their reputation and good standing, since you pointed out Bitvest and 777Coin they are over 6 or seven years they are very popular on old players here and they already established their own community of loyal players, their stats don't lie, both are testimony that once you established your brand you can minimize your promotion and just concentrate on features and your community.

I think they can. Older casinos can go back to using forum ads and signature campaigns as before to remind their members that the old casino wants to get back into the gambling business. But they have a lot to prepare, including who will continue or make ANN for their return. Maybe the old casino needs to reorganize its team to get back to running as smoothly as it used to.

And it won't be easy because nowadays, many new casinos have started to get good positions in the Bitcointalk forum so they need to compete fiercely.

These already old signature campaigns are still running outside the bitcointalk forum this is just the way and part of their promotion and advertisement and this is not the only way to make a way of getting more active users, still, some of the players already build trust to those platforms that's why they they keep their loyalty on these platform.

Thye can keep up as long as they have zero active complaints and their reputation is intact, we have one casino here with a bad reputation but running a signature campaign here, its better to have no promotion once you established your reputation that to have a lot of marketing ads still scamming their players.
Reputation is everything once you establish it and you maintain it you already market your casino through word of the mouth and referrals.

I think it's only both Bitsler and Nitrogen sports that I can see is still survive even though they don't have all you mentioned above, Primedice and bc.game are still have active support in this forum, while the rest they don't have it. They have their own gamblers who really respect their casino and satisfy them, it's really hard to find an old casinos and not turn rug pull project.

I'm a regular gambler, before joining this forum, I have used many casinos that comes up when you search about crypto casino or Bitcoin casino. Honestly those articles aren't really bad at all, I have good experience to use these casinos even some are scam. The thing is these trusted casinos I played doesn't have an ANN thread in this forum, this prove Bitcointalk isn't only one way to make their casino will bigger.

Yes they can because there are many other places out there where casinos can promote/advertise the casino. This forum is just one of those places to promote/advertise the casino.
Simple fact is that there are many casinos out there that has no even ANN thread in this forum but they are operating for long time.
Regarding the case of 777coin and Bitvest and any other casinos, they have done their best effort in this forum and they have good player base already.
Stopping the advertisement in this forum does not mean that they stop their advertisement completely.

If a casino will stop its promotion because the owner is sick, then I think we have a problem with running the business. A good business has to ensure that it does not only rely on one person, there should be proper planning as to who will take over once the boss is sick or can't manage the business anymore.

Bitcointalk is a big market, we all know that but I still see some gambling sites that have no signature campaign here that are still profitable, so what I like to say is that it is still based on how it's run, but of course, having a signature campaign is a plus factor as it's a good form of advertising.

That's right. Bitcointalk is really big important to them when it comes to advertising since it is related to cryptocurrencies which some of the gambling sites use as their currency. And, I think that advertising their gambling through the BCT and having a signature campaign will be a great strategy to pull up new players since a lot of people are visiting BCT.

If an old casino has a good reputation then it could possibly stand even without advertisement here on Bitcointalk but the competition of online casinos nowadays is too high so being advertised here is such an edge for them. An old casino could still continue working without advertisements but other casinos with campaigns would have an advantage especially when it comes to attracting players. We should keep in mind that most players are also relying on advertisements here on forums. It could make them easily decide what to choose.

I think they can without a doubt survive or even thrive without the traffic of bitcointalk, however as a business they need to try to take advantage of every single avenue they have to try to get new clients, so without a doubt a signature campaign is a good way to do this as there are many people that may not join the forum but still read it, in the particular case you are talking about maybe they felt they were not getting the results they wanted anymore and as such decided to stop the campaign.

The other day I was reading about business on telegram channels. The main feature there is that in order to maintain the number of subscribers you should always invest part of the profits in advertising, as some of the old subscribers leave and you need to get new ones. I think the system is the same. If you do not replace users who are leaving (for various reasons), you will quickly find yourself without an audience. Another issue is that there are many other platforms for advertising besides BTT.

The oldest casinos don't need advertising most casinos are  well perceived by the people and at the same time they do require constant updates but if they are not active it might go down so fast because the competition that we are seeing right now is truly remarkable, it might be good for the people who are actually using these gambling services since this would filter out things and give them more beneficial deals, I do think that the oldest casinos might have a good going since they will already have a lot of customers but they need proper management, does not matter competition is brutal we see new casinos almost everyday.

Signature campaigns only help promote casinos to get involved in them if they want to, and can find out if the casino is in trouble or not and this forum is the place where we can find out.
because the casino customers are diverse and only a small part are involved in this forum and they also promote everywhere such as social media and so on and as long as there are no complaints and the casino's good reputation will develop.

Why not? I think it will be maintainable even though most of the new users through the forum are getting interested in trying out new casinos. Gambling whales seem to prefer to gamble at a casino they trust with a reputation for in the long term, so they will stay there even if there is a possibility of switching to another casino. But in the end we don't really know until representatives of certain casinos share the pertinent information here.

Pulling the plug means going away from the most wide audience of crypto in the world which is exactly this forum.I doubt this casino would be able to retain its position in the market without strong support and visibility from this forum.I think the amount of users in the casinos mentioned here has not increased since the bonuses,the ANN thread and signature stopped.Sure the loyal players will keep playing at such casino but it would be extremely difficult to get new players to jump in without being present here in the forum which is the biggest exposure to crypto users,as simple as that.

Forum traffic is very well indexed by global search engines (eg Google). 

Casinos and gambling may not be advertised on all sites (there are legal restrictions).  The Bitcointalk forum is an old and respected forum (since 2011). 

Therefore, the marketers of many online casinos are very enthusiastic about placing casino ads on the Bitcointalk forum.  In addition, there are many people on the Bitcointalk forum who are the current or potential audience of online casinos. 

This is even more true for online casinos that accept deposits in cryptocurrencies. 

And there are a lot of such online casinos.

So not entirely gamblers will be attracted to new casinos because they will stick to the old casinos and have been entrusted for fair play, but the attraction factor because of the bonuses offered or interest from influencers but for gambling whales will not generate interest from any offer factor.

Of course.
The purpose of the marketing through a signature campaign is to expose them to their target market that shares the same interest in gambling and cryptocurrencies.
They've been doing that for years and has already built a community and most likely, loyal customers that won't go nowhere as long as those casinos exists.

For sure it would really be having effects considering on how fierce the competition on this gambling online casino industry specially on crypto space where everyone is really that
aggressive towards marketing and we know that the active you are on exposure or awareness then the ones who would really take the lead in terms of recognition
by the community.Yeah, i was aware about lightlord condition but they could easily taken it back or go back into the track since they dont have major issues
that the community would avoid them.

It depends, if the particular gambling platform have received a good number of active users then it can continue its success. Being on the top isn't an easy thing, there is need of continued promotion and other activities that keeps the gamblers active. Another thing, if a gambler have liked a particular platform surely he'll continue to use it unlike the promotion and other stuffs.

Another thing even if there isn't no campaigns, it is good to keep posted on the games and round section the updates and new games added to the platform. This might bring few users into the platform.

There are many different elements involved which can effect the popularity of a casino, however visibility in a public forum like this - when you consider Bitcoin / cryptocurrency might still be considered a niche area, is a very powerful thing to drive new users. Gamblers can be an inherently unstable bunch and very few will take a long term view on the matter, if they're addicted they can easily run through every penny to their name in search of that one last big win when they will quit (or at least that's how they lie to themselves). So that creates a churn and turnover rate which requires replacements to keep a website active, however there might be a much more moderate base line who stick to a regular schedule, however these can also be enticed away if there is little new content. So yes, advertising here can be a huge boost to casinos and might even be a requirement to success.

Like some members have said, old casinos already have their loyal customers who will always play on their site as long as they continue to maintain their standards.
And also, this forum isn't the only place where casinos advertise their products, there are several other outlets where they can advertise, take the likes of fairspin as an example, this is a new casino that launched their advertising campaign on this forum but the manager had to pause the campaign after one week because he could not reach the fairspin guys, but just yesterday while browsing through bscscan, I saw their ads all over the site, so Clearly, this forum is not the only place where casinos advertise their brand, an old casino can decide to leave bitcointalk and keep advertising their brand elsewhere.

Bitcointalk serves as a gambling hub and is a really great way to post advertisements, but it isn't the only place wherein gambling platforms can invite players to join their community. They can thrive, but compared to the numbers other platforms are generating that are doing their advertisements on this forum, it would be very far to compare. Old casinos have already built their player base and regular patrons, but they can't compete with the influx of new players which are fished by newer platforms through aggressive marketing and advertising here on this forum.

this is something that will depend on certain situations, for example in the case of the two casinos you mentioned, for reasons in the past the owner has been very late in the payments of the signature campaign and payments in the casino itself so people have already put a sign on their heads danger alert when using their casinos, even though the owner said he was sick. But if it were the case of a casino that had run a signature campaign and that has always been honest and punctual in payments then that casino might have customers even after the casino stopped running a signature campaign, but I doubt the casino will have many customers, I say this for the following reason: new casinos have appeared every month, and by running signature campaign and gifts and bonuses, these new casinos are taking customers away from old casinos that are not running signature campaign, because signature campaign also allow for signature campaign managers to advertise giveaways and bonuses and contests, which makes it even easier for signature campaign participants to participate and spread these events to more people.

There would be some exemption into those loyal users or old time who doesnt really care about their marketing stuffs specially to those who had been playing for long time but the casino wont
really be getting something new as marketing or exposure had been completely stopped but somewhat on other cases there might be some new registrants depending on where they do get
such information whether from old links or recommendations but its totally different when its really been actively advertised.

Of course they can survive no matter what percentage of the total users who contribute on this forum is active in the casino and users out there. Although I admit that most of the users on this forum know how to view casinos based on their day to day performance. When the casino tries to leave the forum, it doesn't mean the users here are also leaving the casino, because convenience when betting is not categorized where it should be.

But one thing, at least we can show the privilege or impact of this forum member promotion on the reputation of the casino that other forums out there don't have.

In my opinion, I don't think so. A casino has to be in evidence most time as possible to remain popular, because that is the way it won't be erased from people's minds. Once a casino shut down their marketing and support services at the forum, it will be slowly fading away from the community's routine, imaginary and conversations, while another casinos investing in advertisement, active support and frequent promotions will take its spot, overcoming it in the end and gathering all the gamblers for themselves.

Propaganda is always the same in every niches and industries: the more you see it, the higher are the chances you are going to purchase the product or use the service. That is why big companies and franchises are constantly putting their ads everywhere they can: internet, television, newspapers, magazines, outdoors, banners, stickers... After all, it's not only about quality, but also the frequency you are in contact with the object in advertisement, even if you aren't asking or looking for it.

Players do not have endless money (and sometimes they change their entertainment, for example, by going to other areas), so any casino, new or old, is always interested in attracting new players. Obviously, casinos with a history and reputation have an advantage over new projects, but in the end, everyone has to compete very hard and provide gamblers with the best service, since the choice is really large.

Players tend to trust casinos with aggressive marketing and affiliation if they are affiliated with trusted bounty managers, reviewers, and companies, old casinos can keep without Bitcointalk but their expansion and stat will not move, and they can be surpassed by new casinos with big marketing and advertising budget.
I still believe that Bitvest, 77Coin, and other trusted casinos that stopped their marketing here to come back here if their stats and their players numbers going down, they can still easily attract because of the number of years behind them, and of course their reputation.

As long as their ANN thread is active and there's a forum representative, all is well. A signature campaign is not necessary anymore since as you said, these casinos are already operating for long that it doesn't need any forms of marketing here.

However, their ANN there should always be healthy and they are actively responding to queries.

The case you mentioned is just an isolated case. Unfortunately, they weren't able to make their thread alive. But look at Nitrogensports as an example, no marketing here but still alive and kicking in business.

Without support from here? That was a disadvantage but what if that Casino really grows and improved from time to time. It depends on the situation and how many players are actively playing on the site without the need for a forum discussion place.

Since you mentioned lightlord, it's just now that I realized that those sites they are operating are now silent.

That means if they are not active here, they are slowly be forgotten like what happened to me where before, I have known Bitvest and 777 as the popular gambling sites here with active ANN and signature campaign.

^ Every gambler wants a new gambling casino because a new casino has new promos and decent giveaways, that is why an old casino still competes with those casinos that keep coming. Probably if you will give up having signature ads here it will have an effect because this forum will probably have 40% of gamblers that can you have. Look at Roobet, they are old but they still make contests and promos, because they know that gamblers will stay if there are a lot of promos and forums that will attract gamblers. However, yes they can keep up their operation without this forum but don't expect there are more gamblers to come.

New gamblers will only be attracted to the new casino because of the promotion and bonuses but the rest they will always stick to the reputable one since it has a higher chance of not scamming gamblers even if they win big. And for the topic, bitcointalk isn't just the only place to advertise their casino since we have the internet they can publish it somewhere or in another platform. And those old gamblers or even whales will prefer a reputable casino even if they switch to another casino.

They can maintain their popularity among their regular or old players even if they suddenly stopped forum advertisements but how about attracting the new players? I bet casinos with more aggressive campaigns here will get more share of that than casinos that only relies on their ANN support. It remains true that new customers is needed to keep any business alive and prosper.

Wont really be that necessary because a business could really sustain if they are earning sufficient without having the marketing but it would be good if they would still continue at least and that would

be totally depending on the owner and we know that they do have current problems which is understandable but still the business is still running well and ongoing despite of those conditions.
If they could sustain and able to run for long term then this wont really be that much of a concern.I do agree though on that ANN thread on making it active at least.

so the answer here is yes, the old casino can survive even without sig campaign in the forum. they can always run other promo activities like race, contests and other bounty programs just to keep refreshing their existence. but i don't think a sig campaign is a must for every casino. and you're right, some of these gamblers will stay on the casino. they will try new ones but mostly will keep coming back to where they are more comfortable with.

This seems to be quite abit of exaggeration. Most people that have their signature from a casino doesnt really play anyway, even if some do that wouldnt really make up to all those expense that the site spend. Aside from that the market share from this site is actually low compared to some other site but it does have significant amount of impression though

They'll be back for sure if they've seen that the actual users count and active players have gone down. They'll create a promo together with their marketing and campaign for them to attract visitors again.

Well, currently, the plan of the campaign has been fulfilled and executed very well. It ran for several years and the results were good on them and the same for the other that used the forum as their marketing place because it's very effective.

As long as they have a good reputation, have many users, and are also interested to play gambling in the platform, it will not give big influence if they stop using the campaign. Because commonly, gamblers will stay because they have their own interests and exciting games on the platforms, easiness, rewards, live supports, and other ositive things of the platforms.
Moreover, users of the gambling itself may not only come from this forum.
It may be different if the gambling platform is new enough there may be an impact moreover if they don't have a good reputation.

The fact that they suddenly pull the plug here then it means there's a problem with their time management and a lack of representatives to handle queries here. If they can't sustain or manage their main discussion here, how's more running the site that has lots of users, for even let's say they are here in the crypto-gambling world for several years.

I just hope that even in the event of that, they can still stand strong. Having a healthy discussion thread in the forum is necessary for me as this is the only place where crypto-enthusiast lurks in everyday discussion in all genres.

777 and also bitvest has already known in this forum they lightlord built his reputation for how many years and this community support him and his project so for me if lightlord will return here in our forum a have a doubt that all the supporters before will support in the future but for sure many will still support not all but at least those gamblers feel good and comfortable with that casino will play again .

Pull the plug on the sense that the owner of the mentioned casino does have some health problems thats why their promotion/marketing had eventually stopped on point which is something that cant really be avoided on most circumstances yet we arent able to assure that we would be keeping ourselves fit or healthy most of the time and aside from other personal reasons which might really cause for these kind of events.
For business handling then its up to them whether they would really be resuming it out or would completely stop.

The key to the success of online casinos is to maintain their good reputation, because online casinos with a good reputation of course attract many
people to play gambling on their platform. Because most gamblers want to play gambling safely and want to avoid being scammed, therefore reputation is
the first thing that gamblers will consider when choosing a gambling platform. Even though old casino finally decided not to do promotions on Bitcointalk
or not to do a signature campaign anymore, can still survive if they maintain their reputation well. But it would be even better if old casino continued
to promote through signature campaigns on Bitcointalk, because it can attract a lot of new users.  Because in my opinion promotions must continue
to be carried out to be able to make old casinos compete with new gambling platforms. Therefore, usually large online casinos have their own budget
for promotional costs.

I think so. I don't think the crypto gambling industry is highly influenced by things happening here in the forum. As a matter of fact, with all honesty, a success of a crypto casino or betting site does not depend on whether it is present here in the forum or not.

Advertisement is very important, but if you're only advertising in this forum, I don't think you're guaranteed of success. So a crypto casino will have to be promoted outside.

My point is that bitcointalk is not indispensable.

Of course, yes. They can return to this forum and start a new promotion by using a signature campaign or other promotion. But they need to make sure that everything now is working properly so while they do promotions, they will not get any problems and the promotions can run smoothly.

The old casino deserves to have a new promotion as they will have another new plan for their site or have already added some new features that can benefit their members. Besides that, I thought they had already experienced it before so it would not be too hard for them to restart their campaign.

That is a criticism we made to Lightlord. It happened with both casino payouts and signature campaigns. I guess he doesn't trust someone to delegate and prefers to have everything under his control, but a business that has problems because the owner gets sick doesn't inspire much confidence.

In the bitvest.io thread someone commented that his casinos are maintained because he has some addicts spending their money there, I don't know to what extent it is true.

You guys forget one thing: We are talking in most cases ( I would even go as far as to say 99% of cases ), we are exactly the right crowd to advertise crypto gambling. And we are one of the biggest crowds along with Reddit for crypto. So obviously advertising on Bitcointalk with Signature campaigns and some of the other stuff already mentioned before, is a huge way to get leads ( New gamblers for the casino ).

A single gambler uses makes back a lot more than they spend on advertising here. Plus many countries have restrictions to advertise gambling so good luck with marketing.

This is pretty interesting question.
If you ask me, the age of a crypto casino doesn't matter, the size is what matters the most.
There are old crypto casinos, that are still relatively small. I don't think that they could survive without consistent advertising here on Bitcointalk. On the other hand, a big crypto casino(it doesn't matter if it's old or relatively new) can keep a large portion of it's players without active advertising on the forum, but the stream of new players might be reduced(assuming that the casino doesn't have a good referral/bonus system).
We are talking about the legit casinos here. A scam casino will always fail in the end. With or without proper advertising, sig campaigns and active announcement threads.

There are a lot of reputable casinos that stop promotion here yet they are still the trusted casino and has a lot of active players. Primedice and Bitsler have already stop their promotions here yet they are still running steadily despite the increasing number of competitors. Of course, the impact of promotion here is very huge but established casinos can run without it with just minor setbacks to their profit. Still it depends on the Casino games offered on website promotion to determine if it's sufficient to run without additional marketing here or not.

Bitvest and 777 are not famous anymore since it didn't upgrade to a full casino. So with or without the campaign here, I think the outcome will still the same since they didn't upgrade to compete with the existing casino.

It is true that there is a segment of loyal customers who will always stay with the platform regardless of forum advertising or signature campaigns. The question is whether that support is enough to sustain a regular user base and long term existence. For example, there are new, modern gambling platforms that pop up all the time with a lot of fancy features and user friendly interface. Those platforms are only able to compete on features with the bigger traditional brands because of the bigger budgets they invest in advertising. When something is really well marketed, and well received by users, then it's going to be a tough challenge for these older platforms to compete in the market. Most of these platforms end up going out of business if they don't invest enough in their marketing and do not keep up with the latest technological advances of their peers.

If they completely stop their support which is somewhat similar to Bitsler as someone mentioned earlier IMO it's still possible for them to keep up with most casinos but maybe not enough against the top ones. The reason why I say this is because as a gambler you'd rarely go back to old casinos as they rarely dish out changes while new casinos would try to up the competition by offering better rewards or contests. Then again, it's still important to have some sort of support here in some way since it provides a bit of visibility which can be important in case their casino goes through a massive change.

That much is clear. A business that does not invest in advertising can survive if it already has a large user base, but little by little the number of users will decrease. If it has loyal users, it will still be able to operate and make a profit, but it will not attract new users, although it will not have to spend on advertising.

I think they can only last for so long, depending on the userbase they have and how loyal they are.

Only the owners can answer that as we don't have the data for it. But if we are going to go with speculations, I would say that this community is a huge part of where this legit casino's are right now. So for me it will be better if they will maintain their presence in this forum and let the competition know that they are an established gambling site and despite that a lot of new casino's have emerge lately, old casino like Bitvest and 777Coin are going to stay.

Yes, I know that there are a lot of platforms to promote your site, but I guess this is the best place to advertise.

I still think Stake is old or so do Freebitco.in although they haven't started as a casino but as a faucet. Casinos will thrive if they do adopt on the new technologies or at par on the trends happening in gambling world because if they don't, they will be surely be left behind. Sticking to signature campaign wouldn't do much tbh these days, they need more marketing campaigns beside that, even just doing giveaways, contests, bonuses every month or two will do as long as you're connected to the community.

Signature campaigns are part of the casino target marketing but of course they have lists for targeted marketing, so the wider the marketing the more new interactions of users interested in casino offers.

Everybody starts with signature campaigns before they blossom into a big casino.

This is a niche market and there's no other forum around that has garnered the most crypto users in one space. In my opinion, if casino's doesn't promote or stop their signature campaigns here, there could be sometime that they might lose their audience to a newer platforms. So it's very important to keep their signature campaigns here, regardless if they are old in crypto online games and casinos.

Some signature campaigns have done that in the past and they are still providing gambling services up to now. Some gambling site that have campaigns before on this forum that are no more here but they are still having active discussion thread on gambling. I like it the way that some gambling sites are still having campaigns on this forum but this forum only seem like a place a new gambling site can start, have some gamblers registered and stop campaigning. Many gamblers on this forum would have told some other gamblers that are not on this forum but friends and so the betting site may grow more.

But what is more important is for a gambling site that have been having campaign on this forum to provide good and excellent service to their customers which is what all customers want. If a site is not providing excellent services, they can just leave for other better sites. Another are also good promotions and VIP benefits.

The question by OP seems to be in general purpose since he did not mention "bitcoin casino/crypto casino". If his main question is about all casinos including fiat, this place is not really effective to advertise fiat casino because most of us prefer to play in bitcoin/crypto casinos. However, if the question is limited to bitcoin/crypto casino only, I have to agree that here is the best place to advertise bitcoin/crypto based casinos because we are in the #1 bitcoin forum.

Well I think there are too many casinos that accepted crypto from fiat and market their company here because they know that we are not only a crypto community but we are also a gambler at the same time, so --there is a potential that they could benefit on us and that is an effective way for them to lure many gamblers and at the same time building trust from the community.
In my own, it depends on the casino, there are few casinos that stop here because they have their own forum like Windice but in the Stake.com case, even though they have their own forum, they still like to promote here. I think it depends on where they like to promote their casino.

And they are not the biggest, some others spend more on marketing! We can always learn from the biggest, by watching how they are doing it!

So if Coca-Cola "suddenly pulls the plug and stops spending on marketing" can it maintain its position in the market? I think the answer is no! Simply marketing is important! If they lose visibility and space they have almost everywhere some other brand will take it and many people will move to another brand!

It's the same with casino marketing! I guess the OP gave the perfect example, he mentioned two casinos that I totally forgot about! I played there in my early beginning, and from time to time after, but since they stopped with their advertising here I didn't visit them even once! As I said, I totally forgot they exist! Other casinos are more active in so many ways, so why would we even bother to think about Bitvest and 777?!

By the way, I bet they are the same as before! Without new games, bonuses... simply said without any development! I will check them later to see am I right about it!

I don't think that everybody starts with signature campaign, I still believe that there are exceptions on other casinos. But yes, mostly do starts with signature campaign as it's likely the big boost for a casino to get known, and, those contests are just secondary stuffs.

If the casino wants to get members from this forum, then a signature campaign is good. Moreover, they are old casino sites that have been experienced before. But indeed, along with the times, they can use social media to get more members and not just through this site. If the casino site can do promotions again, then the old members who have joined the site in the past can come back to the casino site and see what the casino has done.

If you ask me, I believe that there are other casinos that might have started to spend some of their marketing budget outside Bitcointalk. Advertising in this forum first is the best path to build a loyal group of users, but capital is limited. To scale the business, it requires some of the casinos to reduce marketing here to increase marketing somewhere else and increase their users on top of their loyal customers. It's merely another trade-off.

The competition between different online casinos is very high. 

Therefore, PR and advertising are very important for them.  There is a scientific study according to which it is psychologically easier for people to lose (lose in gambling) cryptocurrency than fiat money.  Cryptocurrency is perceived as something not entirely serious (although it is not). 

In addition, among people who are fond of cryptocurrencies, there are many very gambling and risky people. 

Therefore, online casinos are interested in the audience of the Bitcointalk cryptocurrency forum.

Even though Bitcointalk had been the center of  crypto information exchange, I don't think that it is the only platform to advertise Casino.  Though not advertising in this forum may miss some of the possible whale players, advertising in different social media platform maybe an alternative.


Indeed, many including me, thinks of cryptocurrency as less valuable than fiat currency.  Even though it isn't true, but the mind setting is already there and is hard to change or whatever.

I wonder if casino advertising becomes easier on social media will this lead to casinos reducing their presence here? On the one hand, this would be logical, but on the other hand, it is difficult for me to imagine a place where there would be a more loyal community to cryptocurrencies than here. And it's really hard to imagine that regulators will make it easier for casinos to advertise.

in my experience in different forum and own opinion all I can say is that this community where am I know is the best forum because as a small gambler many sites and most reputable casino I know through here in forum. And this forum also is the best way to advertise on a single casinos or sites by launching a signature campaign and introduce the casino. But before launching a campaign it needs more capital and a good amount of money to start .

There is an increase in online gambling platforms in recent times and due to the tough competition, marketing plays a major role in the progress and success of the casinos. Signature campaigns are a very effective way to promote the casino and get some good results. That's the reason we see that 90% of the bitcoin signature campaigns are gambling campaigns promoting their business.

The bitcointalk forum is part of the promotional alternative. So it's not only in this place that they do promotions. Like social media Twitter, streamers who have been contracted to be part of the promoter of a casino. Plus other influencers who are no less influential on the profits of a casino. So when viewed in terms of the benefits that can be obtained from each promotion place, the cost to pay for a campaign on the bitcointalk forum is very affordable.

OP, we really don't know if the casino can keep it up or not. But there is always the possibility that all the famous casinos here will attract the attention of users who basically prefer to gamble in such old casinos because of their reputation.

People would be happy to recommend a reputable old casino but either way we obviously don't know what they've been through so far. Forum campaigns only help them get special attention from forum users, it won't do much outside and when they decide to stop advertising on forum then surely they already have a great way to get attention from other off site ads.

This forum attracts a huge number of users who are not only registered but also just read interesting information. Therefore, any campaign to promote the casino by a well-known manager does not go unnoticed. If such promotion did not work, no one would conduct such campaigns on the forum.

In fact, it's not enough to attract new users. The main objective for a new casino is user retention and it depends on many other factors that depend only on the casino. 

They can retain their position as long as they will continue the site operations and continue to serve good for their customers. That is what matters not the campaign and I think the reason why they stop the campaign is because they are already satisfied with the results, their base players have already increased dramatically.

We should keep in mind that users in this forum are not the only players of those gambling sites but majority of their players are from outside. I don't know if it's true that lightlord have now recovered from his illnesses but that's a great news for the guy. Maybe sooner or later he can resume the campaigns for both of his site as what he promised last time.

Although I'm sure you're right, I still think this forum drives a lot of traffic to all the gambling platforms being promoted here. Maybe it is just my perception, but there's not much that generates a large amount of page views on another media site than a forum dedicated to this industry. This is probably one of the largest gambling communities on the Internet, and I guess this is just one more reason why some casinos continue to spend so much money on advertising here.

I think advertising on this forum (signature campaigns and contests) has a big impact on a gambling site...

If we look at what happened to Bitvest and 777coin, these two gambling sites of course still survive today because they already have loyal users but to attract potential users it seems that it has decreased. (when an old gambling site stops their campaign on this forum, they are bound to experience a decline in potential new users).

Why wouldn't they be able to attract users and build up reputation without signature campaigns? There are many casinos out there that doesn't use signature campaign or the forum to advertise, but they are doing fine. This forum is a good start to build up reputation among crypto users, but there are other better sources to advertise and gain more users. People use usually google and look for reviews on different sources. As long as they are advertising there, they will be fine without support or campaign here.

It's currently going higher if you noticed that there are more and more long-term signature campaigns by casinos in the forum. But I believe it is not that competitive yet because the Bitcoin gambling market is still growing.


That would then be good for ALL the Bitcoin casinos if that study is accurate. 8)


But to scale the business and remain competitive, they are required to find, and opt-in to other more mainstream markets too.

It's a normal thing in business, whenever a company or firm leaves the market for a long period it's customers have to look for another alternative that suits them and their expectations.

Especially for gamblers, so should their previous gambling site come back from a long extinction it doesn't mean they would have to go back immediately, this things takes time, some very few might return if they're not getting some satisfactory features from the current gambling site they're using  but if they are then need not be.

Gambling sites continue to advertise here not because of two reasons, it is because they advertised on this forum and saw traffic, with the traffic more people will introduce people they know and there will be more traffic. This can lead to a successful gambling site in the future by using this forum to start.

There are many gambling sites in the world now, see only this forum, there are many gambling sites you can choose from which is an alternative to the one you are using. Even if a gambling site stop providing excellent service for their customers in just a single week, this would have driven many customers away from the site to register in another gambling site.

I think this signature campaign can be a very important event because there are so many users of this forum and there are gambling forums that are often accessed by outsiders so that it is certain that this can provide more value to the gambling place to increase visitors or gambling players and increase traffic at the gambling site.

They cannot keep those loyal followers or players if they did not take care of them and they have problems in the deposit, withdrawal, and support although lately there are issues on the hot wallet, it was taken care of, but so far they are doing great without Bitcointalk but for how long we never know, they promised to launch another campaign but so far we never hear from Lightlord again.

I think that Reddit and Quora are the other platforms where old casino can get support and through advertising. They share the same similarity with Bitcointalk. For example, their focus is on community engagement. Members are able to share and discuss ideas their ideas freely.


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I can't say much about Bitvest but  personally didn't have a good experience with 777Coin.

Your perception is correct if not why would a new Cryptocurrency casino launch or plan to launch their casino here, majority of Cryptocurrency casinos choose to have a representative here because the traffic flow is real and the stat doesn't lie.


Those spending a lot of advertising and marketing in this forum have become huge casinos, sites like Duelbit, Stake.com, and Blackjack.fun have spent a lot on their advertising campaign and this is the reason why these casinos are on top in the industry, you have to take a share of the market and massive advertising can give you a share of the market.

The thing is... where will you find a larger collection of Crypto currency users on the Internet? Even if you find other Crypto currency focused platforms, you still need to find one, where the users are so active.  ;)

You need to know that the signature attached to a user that are part of a signature campaign are displayed on EVERY post that the person did, during his posting history on this forum. Example : I have made 11592 posts... so even if someone reads an old post that I have made 5 years ago, the signature will be displayed to the viewer.  ;)

Before they decide to take it off and stop the forum advertisement and support, they know already that they can support and raise themselves independently. It was to know the impact on their platform but I guess they already have such a reputation that still makes them survive despite the tough competition around. For as long as they are consistent and still providing good services, there is no reason they will die, I'm expecting them to keep alive.
It supposed to be run with other person in behalf to Lightlord but there is nothing to fill the responsibility. This also happen to many gambling sites and sadly they will die.

Fair point. Huge numbers of people interested in crypto goes here first before they go anywhere else, or they are redirected here by the material that they are reading simply because a huge portion of crypto knowledge is sitting inside this very forum. The numbers and the stats this forum generates don't lie, and they are really big in terms of an advertising perspective. And the signatures, as you've pointed out, can be seen almost everywhere no matter if the user posted recently or not.

They have reasons why they stopped the campaign but usually they will reopen again in the future, we have seen that it has been active for a while and many participants are still enthusiastic about promoting gambling campaigns in this forum, I think gambling platforms will always be tied to promotions on the forum because of their interaction of gamblers who are active in the forum.

No, because for seeing your competitor do massive promotions like maintaining their signature campaign and more contest for sure those who pull the plug to stop their campaign will be out dated, we might also see the number of their gamblers decline so if you want to stay in the business you should support your casino by making sure that you have ads running in this forum. For sure this is the key of other big casino to success because they always be seen anywhere and easily to remember by gamblers.

I honestly don't find any other cryptocurrency focused community that's more reliable and has more active users dwelling  and exchanging of information every single day than Bitcointalk forum.
Ever wonder why a lot of crypto related project, gambling websites, etc are looking to advertise here? Well, that's because this community is one of the best place where you can find all your potential market.
I'm not saying that old Casinos who suddenly stops their promotion and advertisement in this community won't keep up with competition in the market, but it sure will make a huge impact.

Maybe some only promote the highest paying campaigns but ignore the gambling platforms that are often played, but that is the right of each individual because campaigning for gambling campaigns or using the platform is an endorsement for each gambling platform.

I have to disagree, signature campaign is not the key of success for casinos. We have to see it in general perspective, not as a campaign participant. If you see it as campaign participants, yes without a doubt you will always say that signature campaign is the best thing to do for casino. Not because it is worth for the casino, but it worth for you as participant to get extra money by participating. We also should see the fact, not all casinos with signature campaign can compete with other casinos. There are many other factors as the key of success for casinos.

I beg to disagree with your opinion regarding this topic. Gambling platforms can still do well even after stopping their promotion on this forum. The given gambling platforms by the OP are Bitvest and 777coin and after their campaigns made on this forum has been stopped, surely they still have a lot of gamblers on their platform however it might have reduce on numbers. Another gambling platforms that are still famous even having their campaign stopped on this forum are Primedice, JustDice, and alot more yet they are still doing fine up until now.
This forum is not the only way to advertise and provide promotions and events. They can advertise outside this forum and do events and promotions inside their website.

Sorry about Lightlord. But was there a time Bivest and 777Coin stopped running campaigns in this forum? Am sure they stayed behind because at some point CryptopreneurBrainboss had to manage them and he did a good job on them.


But bitcointalk forum is not the only place casinos and gambling sites place their adverts. There are several others they do that on. Am sure there are casinos which do not even bother coming here to advertise, but they have huge number of users.

I somewhat agree with you, just because they stop the campaign doesn't always mean their casino would eventually become outdated and slowly lose steam against their competitor, sometimes it's better for casinos to redirect their budget aside from campaigns and look for alternatives that will give better results. We can't blame them if they suddenly end the campaign regardless of the results they've gained from it. This reminds me of Nitrogensports and Cloudbet, I remember these two had a sig campaign at some point back then, after it ended they still kept on going and still doing well up until now. I know Cloudbet launched their campaign recently but they'll still likely keep up with the competition even if they become inactive.

There are many other places/websites where you can advertise your casino but by running a signature campaign and promoting your business here on this forum you guarantee you will be targeting crypto enthusiasts.
Ending a signature campaign which has been running for a long time certainly wouldn't affect the casino till the point to shut down their business especially if they have already built a solid customer base and keep their promotions somewhere else to attract new players. But it will certainly raise some questions/concerns such as if they are running out of funds.
On the other hand, having an announcement thread and keeping it active by posting updates and answering other members questions is a must. Stopping interaction without any logical explanation will certainly affect them.

Yes, they can be helpful in some ways especially if its a newly opened casino, but as time goes by and this casino has already build its own credibility to its players, then even if they lost the support from bitcointalk forum or signature campaigns, they can already manage to stand on their own and continue their legacy. It does not matter whether its an old casino, but as long as the interest and satisfaction of the players are still met, probably this old casino will still continue to operate.

Yes there are. One that I know is thefairspin casino. Before they start a campaign here I already saw their casino ads before on the random websites that I visit. Seeing the casino on a different review site is one it because the casino might be paying those review sites to get featured their brand and also to create an attractive review and we already know that there are so many review sites that are found online (outside bitcointalk).

Another one that I can think of is 1xbet or 1xbit but this one is kinda shady. People won't worry on this site and even if they have active campaigns, the result that they are getting are always be the same. It was still negative.

Loosing the support from the forum is a different matter altogether, it is hard to manage without the support of the community but the established platforms can still do business without any signature campaigns. We have seen some of the major sportsbook reaching out to major endorsement and sponsoring them and running a campaign here is much much cheaper.

Their Ann thread isn't active anymore which any complaints or feedbacks are just simply been ignored which isn't something good for the business but I would say that it won't really be that necessary if they don't have any complaints or had been long time running because if they do still have users left on the site then people won't boggle up their minds in terms of this issue but we know that having support or having some campaign is much more preferable for having such more exposure.

Since they are already the old site and already tested by many, they can afford not to have any marketing campaign here but if they want to continue attracting new players, then I believe this forum is still the best place for them to market the site. There are some site paused their campaign here but later on they will come back, maybe that 777 or Bitvest will have a new way to market their site, let’s just see and wait for that.

Surely, the activities of the forum in form of campaigns or any other method of publicity surely plays a role in the way casinos gets to hold up but certainly won't lead to its crash. The publicity to a casino doenst end in the forum, most might start here or not but, there are several other fields employed in this promotion such as Discord, Twitter, Telegram and other social media platforms.
Although, its important that, they run a campaign here every now and then to aid them keep up with the competition as more and more casinos keeps coming up regularly and each offering more better services and increased level of fair play. So, to compete better, you ought to keep up in campaigns win new customers from the highest crypto involved users forum.

You already gave out two examples and that is bitvest and 777coin so yes it is highly possible. Not only that two casinos but there's even more and they are bitsler, bitdice, wolfbet and windice. Some casinos pull the plug but after a very long time, they are once again spotted on the service section running a fresh signature campaign.

There are some that tries bounty campaigns this time. Maybe they think that sig camp are only focused on this forum but bounty campaigns have lots of coverage. After pulling the plug it is expected that the traffic from the casinos are also going to decrease, that is because no new visitors can see and visit their sites.

Yes, there was. If I'm not mistaken, there were some difficulties with the previous campaign manager (before Brainboss and Hhampuz). You may want to have a look at the old threads where some of those guys had their problems with 777Coin and Bitvest campaigns.



Moreover, I believe that Bitcoinalk is still the largest crypto-related community and perhaps the largest forum with a dedicated gambling community. Of course, there are other places where casinos are advertised, but it's hard to find a more targeted advertising place than Bitcoinalk.

I think the forum is not the biggest source of players in probably all crypto casinos and sports betting sites. I think Bitcointalk is also probably not the place of marketing where most referrals are coming from. I could be wrong of course but that's my impression.

I know that Bitcointalk is contributing very well to the growth and success of the casinos that are promoted here. But leaving Bitcointalk won't probably cause these casinos to fall and lose their clients.

Yeah, I agree. Nowadays, a lot of people or casino owners will advertise their casinos mostly on social media platforms because they can gather more audiences from them. But not doing a signature campaign here also has an impact on them because, you know, mostly those players or gamblers here want to try newly launched casinos when they see them, so there are still players here but still not that many. But to answer the OP's questions, yes they can keep up as long as they are listening to their players and also have no issues with their casinos.

I think the same, at the end of the day a casino can decide to do whatever they want with the way they promote themselves, and if they reach a point in which they think they do not need to rely on a signature campaign then it is their right to end it whenever they feel is the right time, however keeping their ANN thread open here is a must, otherwise people would begin to worry about the possibility of that casino preparing to exit scam their customers, and that is never a good thing.

During the early days, when most people still did not believe in crypto.

This forum was the best for them because it hit the exact people that they need for their ads. Yeah, maybe not right now but still there's the exact reason why every crypto casino is in here it's one of the most effective ways to hit their niche.

There's an attachment already to them and that's why there's no need for them to leave and they can just stop or continue at their own will if they want to as per as advertising and marketing.

For sure there are some long time running campaigns doesnt really mind off about on how much hits they do able to get out from their signature campaign whether its still relevant or worth or not but still they do consider

out to continue for the sake of exposure and awareness of its existence without boggling about hooking up players as much as they could.As long they do able to sustain then that what surely counts
and it do turns out to be a behavior on where most business would actually do the same thing.

Some do see for it to be beneficial and some do see for it to be pointless.It all matters to them but having ads on this forum i must say which is something that needed
specially for those new players or owners in the industry.

It is not necessary that every casino website should start a signature campaign. As far as I know they (companies) run signature campaigns to improve their domain authority and to get more visibility on search engine.

And if a company does not need these things. That is, they already have good rank on Google then they don't really need to run signature campaign and yeah they can survive without it.

Well, the owner will be the one to decide if it's pointless and worthless. He's or they are the one to decide to fund up their campaigns so, as long as they see the metrics of it and they think it's no longer worth it.

Then they're free to stop it.

But if there's a good result that shows up with their metrics and results, there's no need for them to stop it as they see the worth of each buck they allocate on it.

No doubt bitcointalk.org is one of oldest and most populative crypto forum but there are other media also available that can help you grow and run business. So i dont think that if any platform has migrated away from bitcointalk.org then his chances to grow and survive are over. Bitvest and 777Coin are still very popular crypto casinos.

It do really depends on the budget because ive seen some campaign do only last up for 1 week then completely stop which they are really testing it out if it does really work or get users or not and you are right that it do matters on them because they would last or tend to stop it directly if they dont see any results but just like been said by others that results doesnt come out on 1 week duration or few weeks because it would really be getting results in longer duration but of course it will really depend on the site if its good to look at or something interesting because marketing is useless
if your site is shit.

Maybe the thing that some of the casinos nowadays that are related to crypto tend to create signature campaign in this forum because we all know that this forum is the first ever forum for crypto even satoshi once used this forum. And we can't deny the fact that we used gambling thread for us to know what casinos are reliable and having a good review , they can use this for more traffic in their website as well.

I think in order to stay credible you have to stay active in these forums, however you might be able to get away without paying for a signature campaign or other advertising. It's going to have a proportional effect on your bottom live though, that's why such forms of advertising are so popular here - not only do they give your casino name more exposure, they will directly generate a sizable return on investment. It only takes snagging one or two big whales, through a year of forum advertising, to cover all the outlay and still make a hefty additional profit on top. There is an underlying message as well when you're active here - that you're more reliable and trustworthy because you are upholding your reputation (well, generally this is true)

I think its not all the time that a certain casino should necessarily hire Bitcointalk for its position in the market. They cannot maximize their profits if that's the case since a part of it will still go to Bitcointalk. Over time, i guess a good casino will already gain the heart of the players and that is the most important. That they feel the sincerity of the casino and that its good customer service makes them keep coming back and forth. However, on the side of the casino, they should still learn to adopt those new games so they can keep their customers not to go to other casinos to play.

Yes, the budget matters.

If the result is positive, they'll just keep adding more funds and budget for it to continue. A week of campaign won't do a lot if its for long term unless the website is already popular as they do the campaign.

But if not, and is still on the phase of building its reputation, that's not really going to give a huge impact for their own benefit.

what keeps users interested in staying on a gambling site is a contest and if the old gambling site regularly conducts marketing (contests, giveaways and campaigns) then I'm sure the site will continue to survive. there are quite a number of gambling sites that are older than bitvest and 777coin like freebitco.in but until now they still survive because their marketing is good.

They can survive if they have enough money for extensive marketing, but they will bill them 5 times what they spend here, with no assurance that it will create actual gamers and profits. We have YouTubers that are amazing at reviewing gambling trends and convincing their viewers to test a new casino, especially if there is a referral bonus.
Bitcointalk is one of the largest forums for Bitcoiners and cryptocurrencies, there are large investors and holders here who may want to use some to get more, it is an opportunity for them to continue displaying themselves to investors and if they do not, other competitors will replace them and collect members patronizing them.

I think those are two different things though? Casinos can still be credible without being active in the forum. They just have to stay active in replying to their customers' queries and questions and that's about it. Now whether those answers would be using this site, email, or whatever various methods they could employ, it would in no way affect the credibility that they actually have. I do agree with how advertisements are popular here, they're pretty much another method to open up your site to potential customers.

I think they can keep up, have you seen big gambling like William Hill, they don't have ANN here but they are successful because the forum is not the option that they can advertise. Although most of their targets are fiat gamblers but if they use crypto the forum is the biggest and known crypto forum and I am sure that if they don't post it here or have a support here they might be still successful but they won't be able to get that much users from other promotions although they can use ads and promote that they are using crypto and still be able to be successful.

It could be, but if the gambling site is not managed correctly, it is not necessarily the case that users will be interested in being on the old gambling site because there are concerns. What must be ascertained is what if several winners manage to win the contest, whether they can get the prize or still have to wait. That is why gambling sites have to make sure they still have enough money to hold contests or so on so that there is no doubt from the users.

when gambling platforms only use FIAT as an approved transaction. it won't be a problem when they don't make any ads or campaigns on this forum, it will be normal. because their marketing can be through social media.
as well as gambling platforms that advertise on forums and use crypto as a transaction tool. their main target is crypto users. and advertising in forums will be very important. because the forum has a fairly large community. they have to advertise in the right places.

Without a doubt in the early days this forum was the best place where to promote your service, which is why signature campaigns became a thing at all, and while it is true that as time has passed other platforms have gotten more popular I still think that this forum will always have an audience, I have seen the quality of the discussion in some other platforms and it is very low so I think it will always have value for services like casinos to promote themselves here.

Yes, there is no doubt that the forum will always have the audience and marketing here through signatures will never get old.

That's why we see a lot of campaigns that have been stable remains and continues with what they've started. Well, let's take it from there and those that have left will eventually be back and can revamp a campaign for their own.

They're all free to do that anytime they want.

This happens to me before where I waited almost two months before I finally get my prize on the contest that I won. This is too unprofessional. Why they conduct such contest without having the funds ready? For us winners we are also excited to get our winnings because we will use the money immediately.

Many participants starts to complain if they still keep on doing the same thing and that can greatly affect their reputation even if they say that they are not new anymore in the industry. It's not about the sig campaign and it's not about if how old or new the casino are but it was about managing things correctly (like you said). 777coin and bitvest are old sites and have been promoted regularly on the forum but there are still several complaints on them, mostly about delayed withdrawals.

First of all we need to realize that marketing is something else, but being here is a must. Bitvest and 777 got a bit of hatred towards it not because they stopped paying, but they literally had empty hot wallet as well so people couldn't withdraw from the hot wallet and not only that, but the explanation was missing, "lightlord was sick", so? He could have hired someone else and kept it going. What did he do? Nothing at all that would help the business. So, people realized that it is a rug pull and nothing more.

If you are here, if you talk to people, if you respond, if you do small competitions for tiny amounts, if you keep it fun, that would be more than enough for keep going successful along with your hard built business. But, if you leave and never come back, then you can't succeed.

This show us how fragile trust really is, I also remember what happened with those two casinos and how the community trusted in them as they have been part of the forum for years, and then in a matter of months that trust went down the drain as the person which managed the casino on the absence of lightlord was not capable enough to do it, so all the work he did to be considered as a pair of casinos worth of trust was erased in such a short amount of time.

Am sure Bitcointalk is not the only place which marketing can be made, their are lot's of casino sites in my country that are not using Bitcointalk to market their site and they are doing well. Their are other places which you can market and people will get to know about the casino site, old casino sites marketing on Bitcointalk can decide to stop maybe they are not interested again or they have their own personal reason why they have to stop it, maybe they have seen another alternative with is better than Bitcointalk, but to me Bitcointalk is one of the places which I will recommend to people to market their casino site.

As we can see, this forum is only one of the many places that a certain casino can promote their site. If the old casino decided not to promote here anymore, it means, they already achieved what they want and they can maintain their site by other means. Though there are so many gamblers in the forum, I believe there are also high rollers that are not here. This is because, I have seen high rollers just go into this forum if they got rekt by a certain website. It means, they are playing in a particular site not because of the forum's promotion.

I am sure the casinos have several types of promotions and advertisements. Bitcointalk forum is only one of the media. They may still have other media to promote like advertising online, ads, and others.
related to the case, it will depend on the casino, if it is a highly reputable casino, it will not impact, the users will still use the casinos for gambling because it is about habit and their preference for gambling on the platform. The users will not care whether the casino is still promoted in this forum or not. But, this may decrease the probability of new users coming from this forum, as we know that this forum consists of thousands of users some of them also like gambling.

In the case of lightlord and bitvest, I think there is an issue somewhere which we don't even know about. Lightlord may have sold the casino and decided not to unveal it to the general public because of terms and conditions and for the casino to retain their customers. I think the case of lightlord was exceptional because he paid all his dues with owing anybody. The casinos have their reputation and their are many gamblers that are using it till now and they have not had any problem from it.

Bitcointalk forum is the best place for advertising crypto casinos exclusively. It wouldn't make sense for fiat casinos to advertise here, because they won't find the target public they are looking for in a bitcoin community. Then they have to find another methods to promote their brands and services, always aiming the kind of public they think it's more benefical for them. That is probably the reason why casinos in your country are doing well.

But for crypto casinos I don't see better alternatives besides bitcointalk forum to stay in evidence on the most popular crypto forum of the planet, and at social medias' channels to share their temporary giveaways and promotions.

I think yes, an old casino which has been very active here on the forum should have a large number of regular customers. All these older customers will not disappear just because the casino is cutting down on its advertising. The only change I would expect to see is a dropping number of new customers to join the casino. I think when it comes to advertising budgets the casinos can run a case study to see how many new customers they get per week with various advertising channels. In the end it's a cost/benefit analysis to see if it's really worth it. Let's say the casino notices that 80% of their revenues from existing gamblers and most of the new gamblers leave the casino after a few weeks. Then it could much better for the casino to run promotions directly for the older customers. Instead of paying for advertising they could make weekly giveaways for regular customers.

I think from a business perspective it is better to think about gaining new customers and retaining old customers as completely different things even if at the end we are still talking about customers, and the reason for this is that you cannot really disregard either of them, as you cannot concentrate exclusively on getting new clients as then old customers will feel unappreciated and will leave the casino, while you cannot give old customers all the bonuses either as then new customers do not really see the reason to join a new casino at all.

I believe yes, as long as they have a good record and great reputation then they could still maintain its position in the market but we shouldn't disregard the fact that they are a continuous number of players who are entering the gambling world each day and most of them rely on on the advertisements that they see on this forum. Having an advertisement is still an advantage not unless they prioritize and they're contented with their old players.

Word of the mouth and referral campaigns can keep an old casino alive, I have seen casinos that do not have an announcement or promotion here but they are giving good referral commissions and they are still doing fine, in the case of Bitvest and 777Coin as long as there are no existing scam complaints, and they still have players who are active posters, expect the thread to get bumps from time to time unless the moderators decided to lock their announcement here.

The answer is yes, if a casino feels it has built a large community and can sustain its revenue with such several players there can choose to end all forms of promotions on this forum, and there will still be fine as long as their services remain uninterrupted.

Bitcointalk is not the only social media that casinos can make promotions there are a lot of casinos out there that are not in this forum, so ultimately the forum is a good point to start from but not the only place to build community and market presence.

Yes they can survive even if they don't have any support in this forum since if they can just promote more widely outside and target the large number of crypto users outside which I believe that there are more of them there than this forum. For sure we have many casino which didn't have a thread here but they are doing some nice appealing promotions which can help their business to totally grow more.

Of course it can,as long as the casino is trustworthy and have great feature for players.With simple advertising in social media,people will try and experience what the casino has to offer.With their testimony,other people will try it and the old casino doesn't need to do anything except for maintain their reputation.

True, there are many websites out there that they can use to advertise for example etherscan, I often see casinos advertising there and that's just an example, or there are also casinos who prefer to advertise on forums rather than holding signature campaigns which they think may have the same goal.
An example of a casino that has been around for a long time and is no longer doing signature campaigns is Bitsler, Busadice they are still continuing their business.

Without a doubt once a casino reaches a certain size they can decide to not use signature campaigns as a way to promote themselves, however if we take into account how long some of those campaigns have been running and even then many casinos still decide to keep their campaigns running then the only explanation I find for this is that they are obtaining enough benefits out of it to justify to keep the campaign running, something which is not that surprising taking into account how influential this forum really is.

They see this forum as a big market, so running a long term signature campaign would benefit them.

Playbetr, betcoin.ag, sportsbet.io, stake.com, all these popular sporstbook have been running signature campaigns for quite a while already.
They are spending thousands of dollars, if it does not benefit them, they should have stoppe a long time ago.

Actually, even Fortunejack, they stopped their long term signature campaign and now they back with another long term one.

Yes, it is good to do it because they focus on their customers, it is a smart way to be able to maintain a business, however I would not trust myself, there are currently many new betting sites that are coming out and offer great benefits especially to the most active players, so I think that a casino should not only focus on its old players but also on new potential customers, it is always good to be up-to-date, with everything, with support, with its customers, with its non-customers, with new customers, because a lot is handled here amount of money, I think one of the advantages of old players is that withdrawals don't need to be KYC.

Yeah can ofcourse, if the casino does a lot of promotions either on in site or via email messages, active gamblers want a bonus and how worth it is. But usually gamblers often forget the old site if there is a new gambling site because of other features and benefits, so apart from attracting new gamblers this signature campaign will remind them too.

I personally think that a casino can still operate despite no advertisement from this forum but expect it to lose almost half of its player base and traffic.

The beauty about this forum is that almost every forum member (except newbies) wears a signature to their profile. This means that every post equals an advertisement to the thing being advertised, whether it be a mixer, a new coin, a website, or an online casino.

In addition, all of the posts that you made retroacts to the signature that you are wearing. For example, if you used another signature when you created a post years ago but you wore a new signature, your post from that year will be changed according to the present signature that you are wearing. This means that advertisement is the key to maintain a healthy player base and traffic to the website.

Not working idea because people will just ignore spam emails. But since they are already old and still surviving for sure what they do before will be relevant thing for the gambler to stay on their platform because reputation is what most important factor on why people choose to gamble on a casino. If they add up fast withdrawal and active support for sure they can be self sustaining for more longer times.

It is part of their promotion or advertisement is here in the forum because tons of users here are with the cryptocurrency gambling and if the gambling casino has a good quality of service, fast and tons of promotions they will get more players and even they are not promoting here is they can still manage to survive and compete with other gambling platforms.

I cant fully agree that people will ignore emails from casinos especially from casinos where they do usually play. When I was active gambler, I do care about the email casino although most emails are just related to new contest, updates, or news but sometime there were some email that can be something worth to wait. It is email about free balance, free credit or maybe nice competition (+ev). I will regret if I'm ignoring emails from the casinos I like to play as I may miss some nice opportunity to win something.

this forum is one of their marketing targets so far, but this is not the only way to create promotions, campaigns or anything like that.  It's true that bitcointalk is the largest community in the crypto industry and that's why they still exist running campaigns.  I don't know the reason why they don't appear active now, or maybe they are planning a new method.  I can't guess what's more I don't have a strong reason or try to find it.

I still do read emails coming from gambling platforms. And just like you said, I'm more interested about free spins or anything that you can take advantage of from them. And this is a continuing basis, specially if you have a lot of accounts from old and new casinos. You will received very often this kind of perks just to get you going again and play on their platform. So there are a lot of ways for them to promote, but I guess bitcointalk is the best community to have their name known right away.

In fact, the prejudice that people ignore spam is far from 100% true. For example, although I don’t like spam, I read notifications from Burger King (sometimes there are interesting coupons), from some online games that I play or played (there are very interesting promotions that bring me back to the game), etc. This works similarly with a casino - if a person is initially interested in something, then he will pay attention to information on this topic.

That's not what you called a spam then if the email is informative and legit. Real spam mails are the mails where you didn't even subscribed on and you will wonder how they got your email address? People ignore spams, literally like pressing that ignore/hide button but not ignoring them in a way that they don't care and they can still see it because they can be too annoying and dangerous too if ever they got your attention and you start clicking on them. Sig campaigns are beneficial mostly for new sites but old sites are already registered on the mind of the gamblers so even if they stop the campaign, they can still get visitors.

as long as the gambling site has no problems with its service, and is also able to maintain its reputation then I am sure the gambling site will be able to survive even if they do not hold a campaign on this forum. but once this forum should not be underestimated, the reputation of a gambling site will be even better if they are able to maintain its reputation in this forum.