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Title: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Davidvictorson on June 04, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
Kevin De Bruyne thinks the UEFA Nations League is 'just glorified friendlies'
 Kevin De Bruyne: UEFA Nations League is 'just glorified friendlies' (https://www.90min.com/posts/kevin-de-bruyne-uefa-nations-league-just-glorified-friendlies)

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Kevin De Bruyne has blasted the UEFA Nations League, describing the competition as a 'glorified friendly'.

De Bruyne's Belgium will get their 2022/23 Nations League campaign underway next month against the Netherlands, with three matches scheduled between 3 June and 13 June adding to the already hectic football calendar.

The Manchester City man was in no mood to hype up the coming matches, telling a press conference that he'd rather be resting after a tough season.

"Two weeks is too long. Well, as a player we can't change that much. I'm not exactly looking forward to it," he admitted.

“The Nations League is unimportant in my eyes. Just glorified friendlies after a long and tough season. I am not looking forward to it.

I stumbled on this news some days ago and I thought I should bring it here to get your opinions. I do understand his point. Players need rest after a long season but I do not see any other player complaining(please correct me if I am wrong). So far I have enjoyed watching the UEFA Nations League matches. I believe that it will serve as a sort of litmus-test for the teams and their coaches ahead of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar which begins on 21 November.  By the way Belgium already lost to the Netherlands(1-4).

So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: dothebeats on June 04, 2022, 05:46:34 PM
Just some filler matches before the big leagues, I guess, and also people want to see these guys play very often so profit-wise, UEFA is very smart in doing this games before the World Cup. He has the right to complain, but he signed a contract as a football player, and what do football players do to get paid right? If he doesn't wanna play on these 'filler' cups, perhaps he should renegotiate his contract to not include these games for his role as a player for these clubs.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: alegotardo on June 04, 2022, 06:29:41 PM
I agree that he is just a "complaining worker".

We know that the main purpose of this competition is to raise profits and that the players may be looking for a break before the world cup, but I agree that his "service" is to play ball, and that he should be happy for the team he is in, because many would love to be in that same position.
I like to have more important games to watch and bet on, so.. I agree  ;D


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: MinoRaiola on June 04, 2022, 06:32:03 PM
So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

I think the games are Not seriously... when i watch Italy against Germany now and see Italy's starting line-up, omg. Roberto Mancini has changed a lot, i'm sure he's still pissed off because of the 3-0 defeat against Argentina. That was embarrassing. Only goalkeeper Donnarumma remains in the starting eleven, there are 10 new players. Italy against Germany is usually a top game ... always ... unfortunately not today.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Rruchi man on June 04, 2022, 06:46:58 PM
Players need rest after a long season but I do not see any other player complaining(please correct me if I am wrong).
Maybe other players have not come out openly like KDB to speak their mind, but certainly it will be a concern to many, he is just maybe the most outspoken so far. Some player's actually deserve rest for a bit, it is has been a very demanding season for some of them. You may call it complaining but he has the right to speak up. Some of these players were called up believing that they may not need to play much, but some of them have played full time.

So if KDB see's the competition as glorified friendlies, that's his opinion and he has a right to hold one. I enjoy the games, but truthfully some of these players deserve to rest and spend time with their family.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: MAAManda on June 04, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

Although in fact not, but people can feel how euphoric the UEFA Nations League is, there is nothing special there. We can feel euphoria when the UEFA Cup competition is running, but not for the UEFA Nations League. The good thing about the UEFA Nations League is that national teams can measure the ability of their country's teams on a regular basis.

"I agree with what Kevin de Bruyne said, the UEFA Nations League is a glorified friendly."


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Sterbens on June 04, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

I think the games are Not seriously... when i watch Italy against Germany now and see Italy's starting line-up, omg. Roberto Mancini has changed a lot, i'm sure he's still pissed off because of the 3-0 defeat against Argentina. That was embarrassing. Only goalkeeper Donnarumma remains in the starting eleven, there are 10 new players. Italy against Germany is usually a top game ... always ... unfortunately not today.
You're right, this game is just a warm-up so a lot of what we see isn't serious about putting in an ideal performance before the show officially starts. Indeed, from the start this was only an introductory event, but on the other hand I don't think the players should get injured. This will clearly have a bad impact if it occurs when the official match has not started.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Joca97 on June 04, 2022, 06:59:22 PM
UEFA nations league is just useless honestly. Dosent have much meaning and while the players should be resting from a big season they are put to playing some stupid matches and just teasing them. Just a stupid move by FIFA to make this tournament


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Zlantann on June 04, 2022, 08:03:56 PM
Kevin De Bruyne's comments was a born out of frustration. Most players have had a very hectic season and they deserve to rest. I don't know if the games would affect the FIFA ranking of the team but in sports there no unimportant match. Records are very important in football. Belguim's 3-0 loss would ever be remembered and it can serve as a morale boaster to Netherlands. The games might not be serious, but there are no casual records.   


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Slow death on June 04, 2022, 08:06:12 PM
So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

Hungary 1 - 0 England

https://i.imgur.com/ijS281k.png

when you have this shocking result then we can clearly see that this competition is meaningless and that the teams don't take it seriously worse than in this game england was playing with their best players and still they lost, i think the reason they lost is precisely because they do not look at this competition as something serious. I still don't understand why the hell this competition has to exist?

UEFA nations league is just useless honestly. Dosent have much meaning and while the players should be resting from a big season they are put to playing some stupid matches and just teasing them. Just a stupid move by FIFA to make this tournament

to make the situation worse is that players will have to prepare for the teams' next season and for world games, there is already a champions league, there is already a europe league, there is already a conference league and there are local leagues in each country, there are many games for players, they need rest. and today I lost money


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: MinoRaiola on June 04, 2022, 10:50:58 PM
Simply this is the replacement for the friendlies, i say friendlies+ not more. That's more marketing but the fans are not stupid. The new league is Not really positiv for the fans. It feels like 80% are not interested in it. The ratings in Television are not good. The last final France vs Spain had only 3.25 million viewers, normally is 6 times more.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Uang_kartal on June 04, 2022, 11:26:38 PM
i appreciate kevin de bruine's struggle and loyalty as a contributor in belgium,
when the 2021 season was still with MU the club had the best goal.
if they need a vacation it is a right for anyone from the service and daily routine of his heart. reassuring from UEFA.


I agree with you, the world cup league is being held this year and this will make a lot of energy, thought and a tighter training schedule.
there is nothing wrong with badi de bruyne to refresh after the match that was passed yesterday. Uefa was quite impressive and I think the Uefa match gave a show of the readiness of the Netherlands.
and the Netherlands has now moved up to Group A. I quite enjoy


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Rabi3 on June 04, 2022, 11:39:30 PM
So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

Hungary 1 - 0 England

https://i.imgur.com/ijS281k.png

when you have this shocking result then we can clearly see that this competition is meaningless and that the teams don't take it seriously worse than in this game england was playing with their best players and still they lost, i think the reason they lost is precisely because they do not look at this competition as something serious. I still don't understand why the hell this competition has to exist?
it is so bad for gamblers, I lost betting on France against Denmark even after they were leading and they still lost, it is hard to predict the outcome of such games where a team is clearly better than the other but because it's a less serious competition they don't play it seriously, Mbappe got substituted right away even though they weren't even winning, I'll stay away from betting on it now and I'll see where it's going.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Spack17 on June 04, 2022, 11:45:16 PM
I think it is normal for football players playing in teams such as Liverpool, Manchester City, Real Madrid to complain like this. Because they play many tough matches during the season. Immediately after the season ends, the National Leaguer matches start and take place in the mood of a friendly match. If I were a star football player, i would prefer to take a vacation instead of playing in this tournament.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: D-law on June 05, 2022, 05:57:39 AM
I think it is normal for football players playing in teams such as Liverpool, Manchester City, Real Madrid to complain like this. Because they play many tough matches during the season. Immediately after the season ends, the National Leaguer matches start and take place in the mood of a friendly match. If I were a star football player, i would prefer to take a vacation instead of playing in this tournament.

Very true, and will probably get injured and again fatigue
That alone kill's the high dreams ahead of the new season.
They are playing too many games, the premier league is a tough rough side to be in.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: davis196 on June 05, 2022, 06:25:34 AM
I think that De Bruyne is right and wrong at the same time.
The greedy bureaucrats at UEFA want the national teams to play more matches, because more matches means more money for UEFA.
The whole point of the UEFA Nations League is to give a chance for the weaker teams to win a spot at the European Cup.
The big teams will qualify for the Euro Cup anyway (via the Euro Cup qualifications), so this tournament is a chance for them to try out some young and unexperienced players. I don't understand people like Roberto Martinez, who is using his big stars like De Bruyne in the Naitons League, De Bruyine needs a break after a long season, Martinez could let some young players play.
The Nations League matches are important for the weak national teams, but not important for the big national teams, so De Bruyne is wrong about those games being friendlies.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Oshosondy on June 05, 2022, 09:48:05 AM
Kevin De Bruyne thinks the UEFA Nations League is 'just glorified friendlies'
 Kevin De Bruyne: UEFA Nations League is 'just glorified friendlies' (https://www.90min.com/posts/kevin-de-bruyne-uefa-nations-league-just-glorified-friendlies)

So do you think the UEFA Nations League is glorified friendlies?

De Bruyne called UEFA Nations League a glorified friendlies but saying it is not important that he prefer to rest until another season, I think that doe not make any sense, it is not by force to play, the UEFA can be a league some coaches will even see some good players they can prefer them to play for the club they are managing. I do not know much about UEFA Nations League but I think money will also be involved, though the money can be little if compared to club leagues.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: boltz on June 05, 2022, 10:08:16 AM
When you play in EPL it's kinda normal for some players to tell that. They had a rough season , they coming after a pandemic year where they had a shorter break , then EURO came in last summer and short after , the new season of EPL started so I feel for KDB , he just wants some peace and some quiet time for him and his family most likely. This type of players who had rough season can make an exception but for those who barely played for their club teams , they should come in full force when they enter in that pitch.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: ralle14 on June 05, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
He's not wrong though, the nation's league seems somewhat similar to pre-season matches in other sports. You can't blame him for saying it, after playing at one of the top leagues and then going into this. It might help other players to continue their form and potentially improve heading to the next season but for other players like KDB that's been playing at the highest level, it's better to have a much needed rest instead of burning themselves out from playing and possibly risking an injury.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: swogerino on June 05, 2022, 11:23:15 AM
From the results so far of this league you can say it loud that this is worse than glorified friendlies.In big friendlies when big teams are playing against each other,the teams attack without thinking much about the result while here we see teams,I mean the big ones like England not caring much,same as France against Denmark and a couple of other upsets.We are still early in the initial stage of this league but we know that saying,"The sun can be looked since early in the morning" meaning even we are in initial stages it looks like this is going to be the case even as we move forward.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Sterbens on June 05, 2022, 04:36:25 PM
UEFA nations league is just useless honestly. Dosent have much meaning and while the players should be resting from a big season they are put to playing some stupid matches and just teasing them. Just a stupid move by FIFA to make this tournament
It was true, this would be very useless when the players who should have been focused on practicing more and trying to hone all the skills they had instead had to play matches that were not really that important. The players are no longer players who are new to football that must be met with the title of a friendly match. Because the fact is that later on in the field, they will certainly show each other's aggressiveness.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League is Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: wxa7115 on June 05, 2022, 05:43:44 PM
Just some filler matches before the big leagues, I guess, and also people want to see these guys play very often so profit-wise, UEFA is very smart in doing this games before the World Cup. He has the right to complain, but he signed a contract as a football player, and what do football players do to get paid right? If he doesn't wanna play on these 'filler' cups, perhaps he should renegotiate his contract to not include these games for his role as a player for these clubs.
I think there is a possibility this is something which will be included in new contracts during the next decade, after all even if we know that athletes get paid to perform, at the same time anyone which has exercised seriously knows that rest is very important as well in order to protect yourself from injury and to recover your stamina.

Many of the players which are on the best clubs play between 60 to 75 matches per year, so it is natural they are not really that excited to play a bunch of matches which do not mean anything to anyone.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: minime0105 on June 05, 2022, 06:09:11 PM
I think that De Bruyne is right and wrong at the same time.
The greedy bureaucrats at UEFA want the national teams to play more matches, because more matches means more money for UEFA.
The whole point of the UEFA Nations League is to give a chance for the weaker teams to win a spot at the European Cup.
The big teams will qualify for the Euro Cup anyway (via the Euro Cup qualifications), so this tournament is a chance for them to try out some young and unexperienced players. I don't understand people like Roberto Martinez, who is using his big stars like De Bruyne in the Naitons League, De Bruyine needs a break after a long season, Martinez could let some young players play.
The Nations League matches are important for the weak national teams, but not important for the big national teams, so De Bruyne is wrong about those games being friendlies.


Funny how one can be right and wrong at the same time haha, truth De Bruyne as a player knows the importance of the UEFA nations league that FIFA initiated, I do not think the matches are played to make more money rather I see it as a chance given to smaller team's to have chances of qualifying for the big competition EURO. If De Bruyne needs a break he can go sort it out with his coach I don't think he did a good thing by pointing hands-on UEFA on the reasons nations league is been played.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: LTU_btc on June 06, 2022, 09:32:45 PM
I can't give straight answer to this question, but probably more yes than no. Remember what was said when Nations League was introduced - main goal of it is to replace boring international friendly games and make it more competitive. So, in general, yeah, it's just more competetive friendly games.
It's enough to check results in Nations League, especially in League A where strongest teams play. There is so many upsets, we barely can see such results in EURO or World Cup qualifiers, when games really matters.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: wxa7115 on June 10, 2022, 06:42:15 PM
I can't give straight answer to this question, but probably more yes than no. Remember what was said when Nations League was introduced - main goal of it is to replace boring international friendly games and make it more competitive. So, in general, yeah, it's just more competetive friendly games.
It's enough to check results in Nations League, especially in League A where strongest teams play. There is so many upsets, we barely can see such results in EURO or World Cup qualifiers, when games really matters.
Which unfortunately means that the games do not matter at all, and even if the organizers want to give it a more intense vibe, if the players are not felling it and they do not care about the result then the games will resemble nothing else but a friendly match.

Besides the moment they choose to do this could not be more inconvenient, as the local leagues of most European Leagues ended just weeks ago and the players were looking forward to their vacations and instead they are playing a bunch of games no one really cares about.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Ondekinecakabilirim on June 13, 2022, 03:25:04 PM
Kevin De Bruyne is so right. He played a grueling match schedule in the English League for an entire season. He played in important matches in the Champions League. He played in the European and World Cup qualifying matches for his national team. It's not an easy match schedule. There's already a busy schedule. He is so right in his statement. I think that such an intense match schedule affects the players mentally negatively.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: nullama on June 13, 2022, 11:44:48 PM
I agree with that statement.

And actually it's basically the whole point of the UEFA Nations League:

The competition largely replaces the international friendly matches previously played on the FIFA International Match Calendar with more competitive matches.

It's a bit better to have a tournament around friendly matches really. But that's it.

It doesn't really compare to the world cup to be honest, it's like night and day. The UEFA Nations league is just friendly matches organized together into a tournament.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: wxa7115 on June 16, 2022, 08:11:19 PM
Kevin De Bruyne is so right. He played a grueling match schedule in the English League for an entire season. He played in important matches in the Champions League. He played in the European and World Cup qualifying matches for his national team. It's not an easy match schedule. There's already a busy schedule. He is so right in his statement. I think that such an intense match schedule affects the players mentally negatively.
We must remember that the federation of each country is also a private organization which wants to make money for themselves, so they want to make more money with those friendly matches and they are trying to give it such a format so they can get more money out of them.

But at the end regardless of what they do if the players are not interested at paying at their full capacity and the fans do not care about it, then regardless of their efforts they will fail to create any excitement over those games.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Distraction on June 16, 2022, 08:14:49 PM
The Nations League has seemed to be really a ''glorified friendlies'' so far. Because we have seen so many teams that we can call big ones performing very badly against even their weaker opponents. For example, England's latest match against Hungary in their home stadium was a disaster. Did you think even for once like they could lose the match by a huge score gap like this one? I guess the majority of people didn't expect such score at the end. Taking this into account I can say that nearly all of this kind of teams don't care about the Nations League.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: Zilon on June 16, 2022, 08:27:13 PM
I am think the essence of the UEFA Nations league is to keep players busy ahead of the world cup. Kelvin De Bruyne might not get what he was expecting maybe not compared to what he is used to in the premier league. If it was possible he could opt out and get some rest while he waits for next season and the anticipated world cup. I just feel he is been careful to avoid injuries.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: MonsterV on June 16, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
England's performance is a great example of how seriously people take such matches. And that answer isn't too serious. They are basically just glorified practice matches. Nothing more and nothing less. World champions will be remembered for years to come, but do you really think that in 10 years people will still know who won the Nations League in 2023? That doesn't interest anyone. I think most people don't even know who won the last edition.


Title: Re: Is the UEFA Nations League a Glorified Friendlies?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 17, 2022, 06:43:23 PM
The friendly or glorification matches as he describes them are just that, 3 games, but we must take into account that some players are tired and I think it is an infallible option to rest, besides the World Cup is very close and they need to have a good rest to recharge your energies, if we take into account that in friendly matches many players have been injured to go to the World Cup, I would not risk it, it is football that has happened, in many teams I have seen how some of their stars end up with split ankles.