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I still don't know why people are making stake and pd look like the best dice sites when they are actually the worst.
1. They do not give you loss back.

2. The top high rollers are fake meaning you will never win first place Or the fake lotteries.

Why are people hyping these useless sites when these sh*t things they do are obvious.
And yes some clueless or paid supporters will come trying to refute this claim. And I will ignore them like I ignore plagues.  ;D
And for people talking about my bad rep , it was given to me my Dean Nolan of the number one scamming site betking. I told people he was a scam and the site will run with their money and some Id..ots like the ones attacking me here attacked me saying he was credible and the site is credible. Most of them where paid to do so. Today beking ran with millions of dollars people invested. I don't care if I get 1million bad reps from paid casino puppets, I will keep saying my sht as it is. Stake and pd are overated and worst sites in crypto gambling


as for ignorant people talking about my negative trust, this is the reason for it. i warned people about dean and the scam site betking and his puppets came for me just as stake puppets are coming for me now

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.0

I would like to leave my vouch about this here.

This sites are cutting every benefit that you would have for gambling long time there.

So, if you are fresh meat, maybe you can get some rewards, but when you gamble for more time here, they will treat you like shit.

Don't fall for this "scam" aka their marketing strategies XD

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Also, i agree with OP, seems to me like all high rollers are fake, accounts made by the house to take over all the high prizes.

Do i have proof? Ofc not, they hide all the data about it. You cant check even one of this high roller profiles, due their own restrictions.

Besides all that, its your own option to trust in them or not.

Maybe they're putting money at stake here for them to be known? We are free to speculate on that but we can't get individuals rights to play there just because you don't like it. Maybe people doesn't see what you see on Stake and PD on what are worst on you and for them it's not, we all have different perspective.

If these people know and fine with having no loss back, let them be, it's their choice. You do your own research and it's for them to be aware on it or do the same as you do, you can't control them or these casinos may control some individuals. That's the fact.

*Almost perfect.

Just lmk ask, for being known by who? Stake? A website which the only goal is to take all your money? xD

Just a note: almost all high rollers have "private profiles". I havent never seen a race winner with public profile and/or statistics.

Do you have prooft that this casino has fake whales and use it to fake the winners on the contest? This is a serious allegation and usually most of the casino has a solid whale that competing hard to get the top rewards. Whales that bet very huge amount doesn’t mean they are fake. Some of them are investing on the competition to get there losses back.

I'm not familiar on stake and pd loyalty program but having no loss back makes them worst. Maybe they have other benefits that compensate this missing feature that you are looking for. There reputation here is solid so obviously most user here will choose the casino side.

I'm not OP, but just let me say some words here.

When they hide all the data, they should not be the responsibles to show legitimacy?

I mean, if you check this website regularly, you can see people with 20m+ dollars waggered in a day, which will convert in a 25k dollars prize in the daily race.

They boar about 1% house edge, so it means, mathematically speaking, that this players have sacrified about 200k dollars to win 25k in prizes.

All that seems a bit unreasonable, dont you agree with me?

I personally dont think someone with this ammount of cash would be dumb.

All that can be just speculations, but after all we have no way to prove that, unless someone get access to their database.

They do other big promotions occasionally you'll just have to track them. They are not permanent.

The reason for their greatness is not the promotions they make however, it is their honesty and consistency. You simply know that they are going to treat you OK if you somehow had a problem on their platform. They have a good customer support which listens to the players.

Thats a very funny post, friend (or stake employee).  ;D

Have you ever read about the ammount of people that lost money when the site got ddosed?

I have not seen even one dollar returned. Its their fault, their responsability.

Live support wont solve any problem effectively, and thats reality. If your post is real, i really hope you dont have any problems with this site in the future.

Before everyone responds to the thread.

Opened the @OP account and see the negative trust, @OP has been tag by doing a clown activity (Spamming a casino business, even there has no proof at all). So, he attacking not only "Stake" but also other casino without any single proof or his activity playing in the casino.

Best advice for people, not really take serious the thread.

Says the guy using a gambling site as profile picture  ;D

Wheres your proof to refutate OP allegations?

Sacrifice is not the right term in this situation.  I think the better word would be gambled.  They gambled 200k dollars yes, but who knows if it was a loss or a win, it is a total wagered regardless of the bet result after all. 


No, I don't agree.  Maybe you should dig in more information to support your claim. 


There are lots of people who play with that huge amount.  Not because we are not able to bet on that amount, no one can. 

 

I respect your answer.

But you know that what i have said is true in the long run. Every win will be canceled (and a bit more).

"Sacrifice" is not the right term in YOUR OPINION.

I also agree with the argumentation that there is alot of people that can gamble huge ammounts, but i cant see a reasonable argumment on how they can do it for long time.

But not entering in this merit, i have problems with their transparency. Its a bit strange how insane ammounts of wagger are made to just catch "small prizes". And i say that because that situations repeats everyday on this site. If a rich person starts to gamble this way, they will get poor in no time. And just to remember, rich people are a small portion of our society.

I have no problems with gambling sites, if they have transparency. Otherwise, atleast in my opinion, its just a sophisticated scam system.


Also, if they hold all the data, they should be not responsible to prove their legitimacy?

And the guy who is not checking the negative trust.

He admitted by himself, he spamming a casino even though there is no single proof or playing in the casino. My picture or signature is there nothing to do with my post, I'm gambling player and I betting a thousand dollars too in the casino.

Did you know, I'm not getting payed by stake ~LOL My signature is rented by Freebitco.

Who cares about the fucking negative trust when they can pay people to destroy it? Not rational people.

So you're saying that to all online casinos, since they are profitable as always since they're taking money to users? So you're not attacking Stake here but all casinos? Provide me a casino site that doesn't have the goal to take a money or profits, literally they're at loss.

What's your claim that because they're having private profiles for race winner, that it's all just fake? You ever thought that those race winners are huge whales that doesn't want their names to be known? Fine, you're on your echo chamber, you wouldn't trust any statements from others. 👋

We've all lost some fund in the past but the way to get it back is to win it. But you on the other hand wants to ask it back to them?

If you have gamble even for a single day, you know there is a risk to it and the odds favors to them. I have not tried PD but stake actually gives back something regularly if you just keep playing on them. And that I can attest.

I would not have any problems with "big whales" on stake if they where transparent about where the money is going.

I dont want to know a name or anything like that, i just want to know that i'm not being robbed. How they will do it? Only god can tell. Otherwise they can just sonegate taxes all the way saying "whales" won big amounts in their site.

And i dont agree with fucking taxes, its just a example of how a site like that would contribute negatively to society.

Ofc all sites operate for profit, but enterprises have transparency, you can sue them if you want, and they will you show you proof. Stake will not.

Even in a libertarian society this kind of act would not be supported, this would be repressed until transparency would take place (or not, its just supositions). Dont take my comment as salty, please, i'm just trying to build an argument. If we people accept this kind of acting, everything will be acceptable in the future.

If you accept this kind of act, you can be the next one. Remember that.

Aren't all casinos designed to "take all your money"?  ;D Isn't wasting your money for fun the whole point of gambling?
You know the saying "the casino always wins in the end". If the gambling websites were losing most of the time, they would be bankrupt.
If you have serious evidence about being scammed, just post it in the Scam Accusation forum.
I'm not going to advocate on Stake and Primedice. Maybe they do have flaws. Lots of people are using them. I don't know why. They must be doing something right.
Are you gambling with the expectation of making money?

And that's how the clown is born! You are got a report by someone who are liar, did you still trust them while they speak without any single proof? Think that.

It's your jobs a tax employment ?

Give the tax task to the tax government, you don't even know how the tax process. What did you post, just like based on your personal opinion. You're worried they data manipulation of their tax, then make a report to tax government with the proof you have ? ~LOL

Even the police are gonna to laugh you, while you make a report without any proof.

Did you even read what i wrote? Tax is not the problem. Transparency is. Proof? They are suposed to be a legitimate site, they should provide that.

All the so called high rollers aka diamonds don't chat, don't rain, don't get excited about big win or  pissed at big losses erc. As a gambler I know the feeling of winning big. its really annoying. I hate exploitation

I ignored him. He is funny . I am talking of reality and he is asking me dumb questions

we talking of real issues and u are talking of negative trust. How does that relate to what is been said here.

Which one?
1. I'm getting more money, based on the how system work : Example "In my weekly claim, while during the lost weeks" getting more money than usual of my claim.
2. The lottery is on roll with "Live twitch" using random.org.
3. A user has the right to privacy themself! and casino should protect the privacy of their casino. Not even casinos, all companies should protect the privacy of their customer.

You have problem with them? then go to
- Scam assumption
- Make a thread scam according to the format with proof against them

Simple as that right?

I was also wondering what negative trust has to do with my post. I got the negative trust becsuse I attacked a site that is closed now. Beking. The site scammed people and I pointed it out and they paid some guys to give me negative trust. The site came back after clossing and scammed even more people. Search for betking dean nolan

I dont gamble anymore, for years. I know how gambling works, thats why.

If you support shady opperations, thats your choice after all.

Very related.

Red flag for everyone, who are trying to spamming and blackmailing casino while there is no issue, experience on you are playing in the casino or proof of your accusion. You have problem ? read my top post and make a thread with the proof not just by talking non-sense.

Simple as that.

RichGang that created this thread has been tagged before with the PM he sent before about his capability to bring or reduce traffic to a betting site. What he is trying to do now is to reduce traffic to Stake and Premidice, not even a single gambling site but two. I am thinking RichGang that created this accusation would be connected to dragonmega which is most likely what is going on. Very possible dragonmega may receive red tag if he has no prove about his accusation about the OP which could just be a propaganda.

My IP is public, just ask a administrator to check it. I believe in this forum administration after all.

Propaganda? We, as consumers, have the right to ask questions about a service provider. They should respond us if they would like to maintain their public image as a legitimate site.

Otherwise, this is not a public speech forum after all, and if this happen, i would kindly get out of here.

Now you have to see the bigger picture in the scenario that you pointed out. Yes, the player might only receive $25k for the Race winnings, but he also receives 5% back in Rakeback and also a high percentage for his "Weekly" and "Monthly" bonus. (Also 20000 tickets for the Weekly Giveaway of 10 x $5000 prizes) <== Those are frequently won by Highrollers

Remember, these highrollers might not receive those benefits when they gamble on Brick n Mortar casinos, so every Dollar that they receive back, is a bonus to them. (Also, when you wager like that.... your VIP level increase and your benefits increase too)

I have only seen one "Obsidian" VIP on Stake ==> "Drake" ...so I reckon the other highrollers are chasing that level too.  ::)

I think OP has suffered a great loss due to one of his wrong decisions.  That is why he is making such comments ;D He must believe and accept that gambling must be won and lost and that is a common thing. And if he thinks something is wrong with him, he should talk to the customer support of that gambling site. It is not right to attack anything without any clear & logical evidence

I am wearing a stake signature so I expect you to attack me, but why are you making it a point to answer everyone instead of the OP? Are you an alt of the OP? I'm just curious, it's not illegal if you are.

Now getting back to the point, noone is making you make a deposit on Stake or any other casino. I haven't read anywhere where a site is holding your family hostage unless you make a deposit. If you don't like how a site operates, then don't deposit. Go to a live casino and leave online forever. Being a prick on this forum isn't gonna make you any money. Nor will it gain you any benefits on these sites.

If you lost money, that's on you. (I have no idea if you did or didn't lose money) Assuming you did, that shouldn't be a reason for you to attack a site. You decided to deposit, you lost. Be a man and deal with it. It's called gambling, not player wins everytime.

If you have a suggestion (legitimate suggestion), then pm the site owners and mention it to them. They may even send you a reward if they find it a good idea, who knows.

It also makes me think that maybe this is an alt account of OP. Op using a new account and is taking his support with it because secondly there are no people here to speak for him.

Op Registered his Account (May 20, 2016) and dragonmega Registered his Account (June 21, 2016) The time difference between the two is only one month. Op created this thread today On the other hand dragonmega started post from today where he/she Registered his account 6 year ago from today. This is really something to think about ???

Stake and pd puppets flooded the thread

stake fbi thanks for debunking that. That was so smart. Please go and also debunk the fake high rollers flooding your useless stake site with fake contest

You do not have to post continuously without anyone posting, just put all your quotes on a post.

That said, Stake is a trustworthy site, bring out a good allegation against the sites and we will look into it. You just want to speak bad of the sites but your wrong decision will not change anything.

If you like it or you do not like it, Stake remain a good and trustworthy betting site even with your wrong allegation.

I will post it as many times as I want and you stake puppets will do nothing. Leave my thread and go tell that shitttt to Eddie

I think @OP just lost there with low money because usually, users who have problems on their particular gambling platform have evidence of something wrong they went through such as unpaid wins, then about frozen balances and or accounts etc.

But take a look at what problem @OP is having, the first problem that @OP says is "1. They do not give you loss back." @OP wants his money back after losing, to be honest it's really funny in accusations like this, the problem isn't about the platform fault but the problem with himself being hurt by losing a gamble.

Later, @OP said the problem was about "2. The top high rollers are fake meaning you will never win first place Or the fake lotteries." To be honest, after I tried a lot of gambling platforms the reality is almost the same about top high rollers is a difficult chance, if you play just to chase this then of course, you will only lose and lose and keep losing.

Yes, that's the point. Stake will not show proof unless there's some way others may do it or they will at their own volition, that's the end of the argument. My comment wasn't that salty too, you can take it as more neutral, I'm not attacking nor defending them.

If you're not happy that they aren't that transparent, you can still find other casinos that still do or your preferred one. I'm not accepting anything to be honest, I'm just into facts that this has been raised by other users in the past, not just for Stake and PD but on other  online casinos that still exists today.

I hope you don't take my comment as a criticism, just look at it as an advice and observations I'm making, anyways:

1 - When someone has a problem at some casino and that person contacted the casino support but the casino support did not respond or if they did it did not solve the person's problem and it has been a long time without having solved the person's problem then that person person must create a thread in the scam accusation section and must post proof

2 - you said they have:


you just write these accusations without proof, We can't be accusing without proof

So, just gather information to subsidize your accusations. Go talk to a administrador.

Differently from Stake, this forum archieve tangible informations, so you have the ways to confirm that.

Thats supporting shady operations, buddy.

The only moment that they will be transparent about their business is when people dont accept to use it otherwise. Thats the point of my posts, i think people deserve to know how the service that they are or expect to use act normally.

And thats also how that things can start to change. Its not because they are at the top they cant be criticized.

Calling out a casino for using a fake bot on their casino and tempering with the game outcome as good as calling an exchange for using fake trading volume, is a criminal offense, and to say stake and primedice are involved in this practice is not good of empty accusations most especially when you don't present any evidence to back up your claims.

 I don't really understand the point of this thread or how this is productive.

It's fine that you don't like our websites, but you have no proof of any wrongdoing and have been posting this about every gambling site here for the past 6-7 years.

Welcome back to bitcointalk!

Everyone should stop feeding this troll, he will call every casino is scam as been stated on his trust feedback. There's no reason why we should trust his words, more over he didn't bring any proof with his accusations. Previously there's an user attacking bitsler and recommending stake for high roller due to their worthy bonus, now stake got attack  from this user and complaining they're using fake provably fair.

the scammer you quoted is Dean Nolan of betking he scammed people of millions of dollars,.I pointed it out and numbskulls like u supported him. So fuck that feedback. I still stand on what I Said. The high rollers on stake are fake

I don't post about all gambling sites , I post about shitty and shady ones. I have played on wolf , bc game etc and I said nothing ill about them. Your site is shaddy the high rollers are fake, no loss backs etc etc. I don't know why people play there .
I posted about betkng and it turned out he was a scammer just as I said

Been playing in PrimeDice for years. I understand that the lack of 'generous' bonuses may not be enticing to a lot of people, but that doesn't mean that this platform is scamming you just because it doesn't give you handouts for losing your money. You need to provide evidence of the fake leaderboards and high rollers. Some of those high rollers in PD I've managed to get a hold of, and even shared actual proofs of their deposits and withdrawals. Idk where you're coming from, but it seems that you only want attention, or to tarnish the reputation these platforms made for themselves over the years. There were some issues here and there, but they managed to fix those and still operate today.

Based on your personal experience they maybe are the worst, but the majority believe that stake is a good gambling site. In fact, they are a multi-million dollar company that can afford to have partnerships in major sports.

This one for example.
https://stake.com/sponsorships/inoue

maybe the OP has experience of losing quite a lot of money when playing gambling. I guess it hit him hard on the head and made him cry for the win and get rich quickly.

@RichGang, you're just telling a story. If you don't want to be harmed in a gambling game, then don't enter a gambling site. if you are not mentally strong, it will only make you depressed.

OP I think you are wrong cause based on my research stake is one of the best gambling sites, their services still good and okay and on your situation maybe you loss a lot and that's the reason why you are making this thread. OP you should remember that in the gambling world sometimes win sometimes loss we can not predict so we should gamble what wee are afford to loss. OP if you loss the. It's normal thing don't panic it's okay.

Did you see the other feedback.

In the front face, you are telling them a scam but behind the desk you pm and blackmailing them to pay you 0.2 BTC otherwise you keep spamming the scam. That's the most hypocrite tactics I ever seen~LOL

That's one of the proof, you are using a spamming "scam" tactics and then will try to blackmailing them ~LOL. BetKing is a scam, yes nothing doubt but what you did by blackmailing them while you telling everybody they are scammer in front of your face make you just like the same with them ~LOL.

Stake team is moderating their bonuses. A lot of gamblers aren't satisfied with those changes, but still the bonuses are worth there. Do you have any complain against their game? If you think that the games are manipulated then show the proof. I have seen your several posts (https://ninjastic.space/search?author=RichGang&topic_id=208986) in Primedice ANN thread. You were always complaining against Primedice services without any valid reason.

Both Primedice and Stake give lossback, but they don't mention it as lossback. If you have VIP host then you will receive extra amount from reload for your weekly losses.

The thing is, what you are saying must be backed by evidence and if it's not then it's not going to be taken seriously at all, therefore I do realize that you might not have good experience with these sites but personally for me stake never had any problems for sure and at the same time you can always go on their thread and see if people were having some similar issues as well, I have not used prime dice that often so I cannot say anything about them but I do think it would be beneficial for both you and as the site itself to exchange the thoughts, discuss the probelms publicly. You also have spam thread to post regarding any problems there.

I think this OP needs to have a debate against one user in this forum namely "badlcukasalways" IIRC.
badluckasalways is fanatic supporter of Stake and spread hates against other casino and say that Stake is the best casino ever.
It would be nice to see a debate between hater and supporter :)
I'm trying to be always neutral when there is a case like this, at least I will always say based my own experience in the casino.
This kind of disappointment will always exist because no site can fulfill all their players want, players has their own preferences, favorite things, etc and we (as players) cant force the casino to give what is wanted by all players.

I think this will be an unbelievable thing to most members of this forum, as both casinos have a high reputation here and to large extent can not use bots of the sites.
Let's wait to see what evidence the ops will present to us next.

I'm not sure how good of a take this is.  If you're mad at every casino that doesn't give you back your losses I have some real hard news that you might want to hear...  Casinos are in the business of taking your money, not refunding it if you lose...

High rollers aren't easy to be.  Most of them have too much money and gamble for the rush.  Regular people might see their activity and think it might be fake, but some people just have too much money.  It's really that simple.  I don't see any reason why Stake would need to fake volumes when they have people streaming multimillion dollar gambling sessions...

This user already has a reputation for making accusations against many casinos which is why I will not be taking this attack at stake seriously.  But coming to think of it of what gain will it be for a user to decide just to attack others businesses such as casino that requires alot of trust.

Maype op is paid to do this which is to give a Gambling site a bad name. A gambling site like casinos are not scam just because you gambled there and lose. Gambling is always like that where you won't win all the time since it is base on luck and no matter what strategy you use you always lose. You can say that those two gambling sites are worst because they didn't have much bonuses or loss back as you have said then so be it since it's your opinion. Take note, I don't side with the said gambling sites or being paid because I am just here to say my opinion.

Give loss back ? there is a daily and weekly bonus depending on your VIP level, if you want Loss back, then my answer that is no casino provides a guarantee of any give loss back  :).
You can't accuse if there isn't some kind of evidence to substantiate your statement, the wagering competition is clearly fair, you can't measure the big gamblers who are active at there. Rare for a big gambler to show up their name, privacy concerns too.

I'm not defending both casinos but if they are two of the worst gambling sites why they are still on top in the standing why do people still play on these casinos when there are already hundreds of other casinos to choose from if you are accusing these two casinos then back it up with proofs, show us proof that their high rollers are fakes, and why they will give your loss back, you've loss why giving it back, no casinos will do that.

Is this some kind of joke? It's like you eat in a restaurant then ask for a refund because you didn't like their food.

If you don't want to lose money in gambling then don't gamble at all, simple as that. I've known their website since I started to knew about crypto in 2016 and their website is still operating. If those scam accusations are true then they should have shutdown long ago. They are not the best dice sites out there but they are one of the reputable sites atleast for me.

If you think they are scamming people or doing shady stuffs, then why not create a proper scam accusation thread and expose them? Or are you only making some baseless accusations? I can see from your trust feedback that you were trying to blackmail a casino...

And why would a high roller want to keep his profile public? I doubt wouldn't like it too when you are a high roller and others start stalking your profile.

People judge a gambling site through the games they offer and the how fair the game is.
I don't go to the site to claim useless bonus or any free money.
If you want those, then better go to some faucet site, not to a gambling site.
I am not getting any money from Stake or PD for this post, but yes as I am their player from 2017, I know what is the site's standard.
Till now in my life , I might have made enough money from Stake.com, and yes I have withdraw all of it without any restrictions.
Don't know properly your side of the story for the hatred you showing to the site, but yes for me Stake is the best gambling site and sportsbook present in the market.

Nothing ill? I wonder what you call this?


If you suffer from a mental disorder, like dementia or split personality, I strongly recommend that you take your meds. Your symptoms have recurred.

Anyways I can not personally see any accuracy in what you are saying and no evidence hist written comments which do not serve as evidence so your case is hard to believe, come up with something better that can convince us that stake and prime dice have scammed you so that we can have a case to work on.

Accusations should be back up by pieces of evidence and screenshots if that is your opinion then it's hearsay and it will not stand
we are in a gambling industry where reputation is the name of the game, you cannot say bad words about casinos and accuse them without giving real proof that the casinos are not legit, we have seen how some accusations are busted by casinos because they are giving false pieces of evidence and bad alibis.
Some gamblers cannot accept defeat and cheating that is why they resort to this.

This is how they exploit things and they create noise thingking that the casino they target get threaten and pay some bribe to them but since more people are open minded with those things and want proof first before believing on their claims for sure they will never succeed since they are been bothered by reputable members who knows there intention here. We see how many of their accusation got busted so for sure many people them as a troll.

That's often that case that happens when someone rages, they then think that the gambling site where they play with is a big scam that eats their money but in the case of the op I think this was intentional because look at the feedback on his trust page and if we look at his signature it states that he is doing gambling site reviews.

I wonder what would his review site look like. Maybe what can we read there are just biased reviews like this one. Looking at your second reply it seems that you already figured out that the op is just making his own fake stories.

@OP
No one hypes these two sites but people are just telling the truth, (their actual experience).

I don't see this thread as an accusation, it's more like OP is sharing his personal feelings about these two casinos! Every casino has its own way of doing business, how they treat VIPs, is there a loss and cash back, wheels, or any other feature we can see in various casinos!

Well, I guess Saisher is on to something with his last sentence! Some people can't accept defeat, and we all know it's easier to blame others than to accept it and move on! Simply if someone is not satisfied with some casino should look for some other, at least that is an easy thing to do, there are a lot of them, with different features... each of us should be free to play in the casino we truly like! Nobody forcing anyone to play on Stake or Primedice!

It is really funny to think what would happen to the world if stake was the "worst gambling site", like imagine the website that deals with drake, ufc, nba and watford all at once is actually the "worst" one, there are so many that would be doing much better than THAT, it would be a dream world to live in.

I seriously would love to have stake as the worst one, I mean I imagine how great stake is right now, and think that the greatness of stake would be shrimped by the greatness of all the others that would be even better. But unfortunately, we do not have that and right now stake is the best one out there, could be challenged, but not right now.

And we have now got the announcement of partners with sponsoring club Everton, that should be good news for the gamblers who will be getting betting aggression next season by the fans of this club. Because for now the withdrawal from Watford will make users of the fans withdraw from casino, but next season it is certain that Everton fans can be at Stake.com

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg60321054#msg60321054

I don't really know much about primedice, but stake, am really kind of surprised to see some one say they are the worst gambling site after all their achievements, not trying to attack the op, for I understand that we all have different experiences with different casinos.

But for the few times I've played on stake, I've never had issues, though am not a big player, I only played with small amount and of course, I won in some games and lost in others, but I must admit I never paid any attention to the issues OP brought up here, maybe he's right, I can't really say, but one fact I know is that, stake is really big.

Stake has been active in the gambling market for a number of years. I usually don't read any problems from the site on the forum. Customers may have some issues with the site. Stake has also become a fairly large party with a sponsorship of a team in the Premier League. They have enough money. If you win fair, it seems to me that they just pay you fair with no problems.

That's some good news there having such big sponsorship Everton is a great club any brand that is associated with the club will make huge marketing results, and seeing that most football fans are already looking out for next season this seems to be the best time to get such big sponsorship and stake have been known for this type of bug promotion in different sporting events.

Maybe, the OP is talking about his experience on these sites. We can never really tell where he is coming from. But considering that both sites are established and reputable in this community, many won't agree with the OP's sentiments. I haven't encountered any problems with both sites, for the few times that I played on them. So I can't say much but one thing for sure, stake right now is one of the biggest crypto gambling sites. Just look at their endorsers now, like Drake. They can't afford to collaborate with a celebrity if they are generating menial income.

^ The common problem on Stake is that regarding the bonus, it probably misunderstood the ToS and did not understand it very well.
But the word worst is too harsh for the casino, I don't think they are the worst casino that the same on 1xbit.com that we have heard complaints buy yet, they are still here running a signature campaign. Both gambling casino that was mentioned by the OP me is good, the bonuses and what others experience, these casinos it seems good at the end.

If he's not showing any proof, we can consider this just his own opinion and not the opinion of the majority of players playing on both casinos, if he is not satisfied with the features and fairness of both casinos, he is free to choose other casinos, so far the majority of the accusations on both casinos are already addressed, and they are not in the number one spot if they are not satisfying their players' needs, but like the saying you cannot please everybody, so it also applies to casinos.

Here Op is a stupid guy. He could not keep any clear evidence here. He just sharing his personal feeling and He is just running a false propaganda. So it seems to me that there is no need to bump into this topic by discussing here. By discussing here we are only wasting time and labor. It seems to be a good idea to close the discussion here.

Just as it is the oops does not have evidence that any of these casinos scammed him in any way, the truth still stands that he is just out to accuse casinos just to spoil their reputation but we are not giving in to such cheap lies.

I am not sure why you are so upset? I have used Stake for a long time but have nenver seen anything wrong with them. I cannot comment about primedice as I haven't used it. I won't say that stake is a hyped casino but I would rather say they have a very agressive marketing team who are constantly coming out with new offer to make that hype. If you have anything to prove your accusations then you should put it out here.

From what you've investigated, I think it's okay. But here it is said that there is no direct connection . So I don't think it's right to give them any negative trust . But here it is also 90% proving that they alt each other.

Lol Op is already Red trusted. There are nothing special if someone give him/her More Negative feedback. He has the right to express his own opinion as a member of this forum.  So he has the right to post here. I only noticed some strange similarities between their two accounts from my point of view.  He he

Good thing, that you have not experience any issue with stake. Anyways, I've been using Primedice or PD for a long time now and I also did not encounter any issue with. Also, I doubt that the High Rollers are fake from these platforms as I was able communicate with them and they even provide tips on the chat that is available on the website.
As far as I know the creator for both of these platform are related to each other and they are very active on the forum. Primedice might not be as active as before but stake has been introducing a lot of promotion on the forum.

That's not exactly true. Yes more red trust is something he probably will not care about, but when you tag someone you leave a reason as to why they were tagged. Someone who is looking to deal with him may be willing to deal with him if he's red trusted for something small, but a certain offense may hinder them from dealing with him in certain areas.

You might be right but without proper proof (which is pretty hard to attain) at the moment the second statement is unproven. You'd be surprised at the strange behaviour of high rollers who live in a different bubble of wealth to the average person. I'm confused by your first statement that they do not give loss back? Are you on about some sort of cashback or take returned to player? I wouldn't imagine any casino gives money back on losing bets because taking money is their entire business model.

I firmly believe that accusations like this can't ruin the reputation of these huge casinos. As long as they're providing great services, bad feedback without any reliable proof won't discourage their users easily. It's easy to create fake accusations without basis so I don't think Op could make anyone believe easily. Stake and Primdice are great sites and we have seen how they value their players for years. It will be unfair to throw negative things about them without concrete evidence.

Don't say this please. They doesn't need to fake lotteries, they are a really big platform, and not needs to do some things to steal your money.

Play also with caution and don't be too plaintive, just assume your resposinbility.

Personally, i never tried Stake.com by myself, but i tried primedice and it was pretty good, with provably fair function.

The main problem that there only one game - dice (haha, on primedice there is only dice), but if you're fun of this, it will fit you. And i doubt that this sites are not fair enough. OP kind of weird.

When something is accused for doing wrong, we need to proof to claim as well as get the support of the community. OP can see a huge list of scam accusations made over different gambling and other platforms. Providing the proof will clear the community and make them believe what's been stated is true or not. Also you can't say the team have hidden every information, atleast you could've got the screenshot of the discussion with the support team. You can post that too.

That's right because for posting like this without anything to support the post will not give any sense and it will just make people think that they are just spreading lies which is actually obvious right now. It's like they are making business with this trolling up so I guess before getting huge support just like any other valid accusation with proof attached proof is a must since once many people verify that what they are telling is true for sure many people will get mad on stake and primedice if they are worst gambling site to play.

While you might be right in your claims, but you have to concrete evidence to buttress your opinions. In this forum, we work with facts and references, then if you cannot produce that, we can call all you said your personal opinions.


If what you narrated here is real, will it not be nice to raise a topic in the Meta board and it may turn out that with the support of people, theymos might reverse the red tags since they weren't given in a good fate.

Maybe you didn't fulfill the minimum wagering requirements for unlocking the VIP feature in your account which allows you to claim part of your losses back. Personally, I haven't reached this minimum bronze level as well, but I've watched videos on youtube where gamblers claim part of their losses back, so I see it's possible and practicable. You should present more evidences regards your points or ask the casino's support for help before making such accusations publicly at the forum.

Because you are concentrated on its bad sides and your opinion is not based on fact,



Can you give us at least one casino that will give your losses back, this is unheard of and tells how bad your opinion about casinos, you mean whether you win or lose, you still want your money back, your post is such a big joke and deserves a big laugh


You have to back it up with proof they are not the number one casino in the industry and they cannot get Ambassadors like Adesanya if they do not have many high rollers to sustain their operations

AFAIK there is no lossback in Stake because the available feature is cashback, so basically his statement is true. What you can claim under the VIP menu is cashback only, I have never heard that it is possible to claim lossback but perhaps it is possible for whales by contacting VIP host. I'm platinum 2 and I have never received any lossback, but I have claimed lossback many times at the end of my gambling session.

If you could get lossbacks, then how is the casino make profits? Maybe they can let you access a feature like that but only if you are regular loser/gambler and then they’ll allow you to collect a few percent of what lost to them. Gambling is a zero sum game. It is either you or the house makes money and the house isn’t a charity. It is there to take your money.

If the games on stake wasn’t cheated, then I see no problems.

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought lossback was a synonym for cashback. Now I see they are different features. +1 gambling term learned today, thanks!

I remember seeing special events before, like Stake tips a match outcome to gamblers, so for bets up to x dollars on that possible result, gamblers will receive their money back in case of loss, but I didn't imagine this concept could go beyond isolated events.

No proof about that. And I say to you another thing, these 2 sites are so big that doesn't need to do what you are saying, they don't need to steal your money. So, we have two options now:

1) You're complaining about this two company because you're of another company.

2) You've lose your money and now you're complaining about it.

In both cases, you should prove your word before talk.

I DONT BOTHER to read anything posted by stake puppets

Great, you bother to post an accusation from the gambling websites, Stake and Primedice, yet you don't want to hear opinion from it's user. They've obviously explained that they have not encountered any issue with the platforms as well as the accusations you've said. Why can't you provide any proof instead to prove them wrong?
Even Stunna, asked for a proof yet you've continuously saying that the platform is shady and that you're previous accusations turned out correct. That is not a proof and is not related to the platform.

If you bother to look at OP's trust rating you'll see that he's been doing this for six years already he never changes and just go on casting false accusations on casinos that he is trying to bring down

https://i.imgur.com/O4jNMMz.png


Just look at how he bribe one casino it is really on his character

https://i.imgur.com/zmUyteQ.png

I don't know what goal the OP is trying to achieve that he's so actively launching accusation after accusation but with little evidence. Behind his actions, we need to be careful because this will obviously continue until the OP explores all the casinos and then makes the same accusations. The troll was created to be a balancer. but it's all hard to digest with common sense. Let him mumble for a moment. Stake.com always solves problems in the best possible way.

can you even read what you post? how do you expect people to believe something you post when you don't want to post proof? what exactly are you complaining about? you know? because in this thread you say that Stake and primedice are scam, but they are scam why? what did they do to you to accuse them? you can't say clearly and post evidence. think about the following: if you go out on the street right now and someone out of the blue accuses you of a scam, do you think that people who are close to you on the street will believe that person who is accusing you of a scam without showing proof? on the contrary, people will look at him and accuse him of being crazy. you know that, so do you have something to complain about? post evidence, that's simple

Without solid evidence and expressing hatred towards Stake this might be likened to the actions of stupid. Op has 3 times received negative tags for making ridiculous accusations without solid evidence. Stake is the largest gambling platform today and has millions of players around the world and has an advantage in terms of security that is quite good for its users. the service is always active and there is always a response or answer if there are complaints from the players. I'm not surprised if there are some people here who act ridiculous by giving incomplete arguments.

1) You will get new weekly calculation based on previous week's loss and game house edge you mostly wagered on specific timeframe. Stake usually feed high rollers and this is understandable for crypto gambling website since they run serious business here.
2) Streamers use fake monopoly money deposited by website usually and it is for promoting website, that is why they spun slots at highest possible max bet size.

Yup, I have already checked OP's trust rating and the accusation he's been doing is what caused him to received a red tagged on his account. I don't understand why he's still not banned here at bitcointalk for spreading false accusation/ news. I'm just asking OP to provide proof as I am one of the users from these platforms and I doubt that he'll be able to ruin they're casino as Primedice and Stake has been a trusted and one of the best (for me) gambling website out there. Especially Primedice which has been active on the bitcointalk community for a long time even Micro and Stunna.
Anyways, thank you for sharing the extorsion and asking for bribe to stop the negative campaigning he's been from the previous gambling platform. I was not able to look into those information while checking on his trust page.

Stake has multiple games though dice is one it but it was pd where best to call a dice site since it only has this one game. They do also have a loss back and it was called a rakeback but you won't see that if you don't reach any of the vip level.

About the high rollers sometimes I have a feeling the they are part of the casino but we don't have any solid evidence to back up this claims so better if we can just keep it personally and you can avoid participating in the races if you are poor since there is no way you can win on it. When it comes to lotteries, they are legit, saw some normal users won it already. Maybe you are just unlucky, that is why you can't win.

Looks like the OP have nothing to say :) It seems that he is crying - no one is ready to believe him without proves. And even find his dirty history. I think everybody understand who is the OP, lets just close the thread.
PS. the most interesting is the OP signature. It is interesting is someone believe his reviews? :)

I don’t think they’re the worst…

They have been long enough on the market and in all those years they have proven to be pretty honest to their customers, they’re also the kind of betting site that will help you with their customer service If you have any type of issue and that’s something you should be looking for in a betting site or sportsbook. Regarding the promos, I’ve seen a couple of them on their sites but they’re not permanent. If you really don’t like them, the good news is that right now we have more crypto betting sites and sportsbooks to choose from, you just have to do your research so you don’t get scammed, look for reviews, there are multiple sites that offer crypto sportsbooks and betting sites reviews, a good one is the Bookmaker’s Review site, maybe it will help you https://www.bookmakersreview.com/best-sportsbooks/

Gambling is the worst. Period.

But you can't call out a website because they don't offer incentives up to your expectations.

In my book, if a website is following its terms and the user isn't cheating then it's within the bounds of being a fair transaction.

Seems like you have a personal enmity against them  :P

The lack of evidence is what bothers me, I mean as awful as it is we have seen in the past casinos which had a good reputation eventually turn into scams, and if the OP has evidence of any of his claims then without a doubt it will help the community by spreading awareness of those issues, but when there is no evidence we cannot simply trust in his word, so we are left wondering what is all of this about and have a fruitless conversation about it.

It is really hard for untrusted user like you @RichGang to bring down the entire two site just for yourself gain or bad experience you gain from them i believe you have seen some trusted members promoting stake.com signature so it can be easily rated by them if it was bad or still a worst betting platform as you claimed.

Now from you trust feedback shows the kind of person you are, i can't believe this is true to be false

https://i.imgur.com/ToT8Llb.png


So tell us why you are really fighting those gambling sites?

I don`t think that we can get any proves from the OP. And if he even post smth - i can`t trust his words. The reputation costs much and his reputation was destroyed by himself. It is possible that he tried to get money from them and these casinos refused.
PS. I really don`t understand the OP - with his reputation and trust he still tries to give feedback and review. No one believes it.

Obviously, ops have refused to share evidence to back his claims as many users from both stake and prime dice have made different observations about both casinos, but the case may be without evidence this claim will be termed as an attempt to blackmail both platforms and at that this so-called accusation is a baseless statement and should be ignored until it is backed with enough evidence.

I don't know what is the main purpose of this user why he/she doing this kind of complain. As far as I know correct me if I am wrong he complains without valid proof which we can say that this guy want to ruin the reputation of these two reputable casino which is Stake.com and primedice, 0.2 is quite good amount and big money to be spend I don't think Op will stop fighting for the sake of money but without any valid proof for sure no one will believe him.

I completely disagree with this. When I first used Bitcoin for Gambling, Primedice was the one I used as It was the most stable, secure website on this planet earth.
And then they introduced Stake, a platform that is great for using any cryptocurrency for Sports Betting, Including Esports.

I don't personally use their service now but It's hard to see them getting a tag of "worst" when they are a premium brand in that specific ecosystem.

I don't know what's the take of the OP on why he's really eager to tag Stake with negative remarks, if that's really true then he should provide more solid evidence rather than just ranting because in the end, he's the one who will have a negative tags and not the Stake because of accusations that he cannot prove. Stake is one of the most trusted and reputable casinos these days, yes they are not perfect but they try to provide quality experience and tries to resolve the case faster. Stake won't be known if they're not that good though.

https://i.imgur.com/ToT8Llb.png

Looking at his current activity 583 and that from the screenshot - 140, this blackmail happened a few years ago. Back then, the price of Bitcoin was probably a bit different, but it didn't necessarily have to be very different from now.

@RichGang how much are you asking right now for non-slandering casinos?

From other hand, I wonder if anyone has ever paid him anything ...

You`re right, but we are talking not about the proce of BTC but about the fact that the OP trying to extort money from the casinos. And he is even not so famous to do it. And i think it doesn`t matter how much he asks, he can asks $10 or even 10BTC - no one will pay him. No one will pay to someone unknown for nothing.