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Title: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Hydrogen on June 16, 2022, 11:40:16 PM
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Traffic from occupied Ukraine subjected to Russia's censorship, surveillance machine.

Web pages in the city of Kherson in south Ukraine stopped loading on people’s devices at 2:43 pm on May 30. For the next 59 minutes, anyone connecting to the Internet with KhersonTelecom, known locally as SkyNet, couldn’t call loved ones, find out the latest news, or upload images to Instagram. They were stuck in a communications blackout. When web pages started stuttering back to life at 3:42 pm, everything appeared to be normal. But behind the scenes everything had changed: Now all Internet traffic was passing through a Russian provider and Vladimir Putin’s powerful online censorship machine.

Since the end of May, the 280,000 people living in the occupied port city and its surrounding areas have faced constant online disruptions as Internet service providers are forced to reroute their connections through Russian infrastructure. Multiple Ukrainian ISPs are now forced to switch their services to Russian providers and expose their customers to the country’s vast surveillance and censorship network, according to senior Ukrainian officials and technical analysis viewed by WIRED.

The Internet companies have been told to reroute connections under the watchful eye of Russian occupying forces or shut down their connections entirely, officials say. In addition, new unbranded mobile phone SIM cards using Russian numbers are being circulated in the region, further pushing people toward Russian networks. Grabbing control of the servers, cables, and cell phone towers—all classed as critical infrastructure—which allow people to freely access the web is considered one of the first steps in the “Russification” of occupied areas.

“We understand this is a gross violation of human rights,” Victor Zhora, the deputy head of Ukraine’s cybersecurity agency, known as the State Services for Special Communication and Information Protection (SSSCIP), tells WIRED. “Since all traffic will be controlled by Russian special services, it will be monitored, and Russian invaders will restrict the access to information resources that share true information.”

KhersonTelecom first switched its Internet traffic to a Russian network on April 30, before flipping back to Ukrainian connections for the majority of May. However, things appear to have shifted permanently since May 30. All of KhersonTelecom’s traffic is now being routed through Miranda Media, a Crimea-based company that is itself connected to Russian national telecom provider Rostelecom. (Miranda Media was set up after Putin annexed Crimea in 2014.) The day after KhersonTelecom made its latest switch, state-controlled Russian media outlet RIA Novosti claimed the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia areas were officially being moved to Russian Internet connections—days earlier, the outlet said the regions were also going to start using the Russian telephone code +7.

Zhora says that across occupied regions of Ukraine—including Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk, and Zaporizhzhia—there is a patchwork of around 1,200 different ISPs. “We understand that most of them are forced to connect to Russian telecom infrastructure and reroute traffic,” Zhora tells WIRED. “Unfortunately, there are cases of massive routing of traffic of Ukrainian operators across Russian channels,” says Liliia Malon, the commissioner of Ukraine’s telecom regulator, the National Commission for the State Regulation of Electronic Communications. “Ukrainian networks are partially blocked or completely disconnected.”

Technical analysis confirms that the connections are switching. Internet monitoring company Cloudflare has observed KhersonTelecom’s traffic passing through Miranda Media for more than two weeks in June. Doug Madory, director of Internet analysis at monitoring firm Kentik, has observed around half a dozen networks in Kherson connecting to the provider. “It's not a one-time thing,” Madory says. “Every couple of days, there's another company getting switched over to Russian transit from Ukraine.”

Since the start of Putin’s war in February, disrupting or disabling Internet infrastructure has been a common tactic—controlling the flow of information is a powerful weapon. Russian missiles have destroyed TV towers, a cyberattack against a satellite system had knock-on impacts across Europe, and disinformation has tried to break Ukrainian spirits. Despite frequent Internet blackouts, Ukraine’s rich ecosystem of Internet companies has rallied to keep people online. While Ukrainian troops are successfully launching counterattacksagainst Russian occupation in the south of the country, Kherson remains controlled by invading forces. (In March, it became the first major city to fall into Russian hands, and its residents have lived under occupation for around 100 days, reporting numerous incidents of torture.)

“It's one thing to take over a city and to control the supply lines into the city, the flow of food or fuel,” says David Belson, head of data insight at Cloudflare, who has written about Internet control in Kherson. But, he says, “controlling Internet access and being able to manipulate the Internet access into an occupied area” is a “new front” in the conflict.

There are multiple ways Russian forces are taking over Internet systems. First, there is physical access—troops are seizing equipment. Spokespeople for two of Ukraine’s biggest Internet providers, Kyivstar and Lifecell, say their equipment in Kherson was switched off by Russian occupying forces, and they don’t have any access to restore or repair equipment. (Throughout the war, Internet engineers have been working amid shelling and attacks to repair damaged equipment.) The SSSCIP says 20 percent of telecommunications infrastructure across the whole of Ukraine has been damaged or destroyed, and tens of thousands of kilometers of fiber networks are not functioning.

Once Russian forces have control of the equipment, they tell Ukrainian staff to reconfigure the networks to Miranda Media, Zhora says. “In case the local employees of these ISPs are not willing to help them with the reconfiguration, they are able to do it by themselves,” Zhora says. The SSSCIP, he adds, has advised staff not to risk their own lives or the lives of their families. “We hope that we are able to liberate these lands soon and this temporary period of blackmailing of these operators will pass off,” Zhora says, adding it is unlikely that communications in the region can be restored before the areas are liberated.

For the time being, at the very least, this means connections will be routed through Russia. When Gudz Dmitry Alexandrovich, the owner of KhersonTelecom, switched his connection to Miranda Media for the first time at the start of May, he claims some customers thanked him because he was getting people online, while others chastised him for connecting to the Russian service. “On May 30 again, like on April 30, everything absolutely everything fell and only Miranda's channels work,” Alexandrovich says in a translated online chat. In a long Facebook post published on the company’s page at the start of May, he claimed he wanted to help people and shared photos of crowds gathering outside KhersonTelecom’s office to connect to the Wi-Fi.

Russia is also trying to control mobile connections. In recent weeks, a mysterious new mobile company has popped up in Kherson. Images show blank SIM cards—totally white with no branding—being sold. Little is known about the SIM cards; however, the mobile network appears to use the Russian +7 prefix at the start of a number. Videos reportedly show crowds of citizens gathering to collect the SIM cards. “The Russian forces realize they're at a disadvantage if they keep using Ukrainian mobile networks,” says Cathal Mc Daid, the chief technology officer at mobile security company Enea AdaptiveMobile Security. The company has seen two separatist mobile operators in Donetsk and Luhansk expanding the territory they are covering to newly occupied areas.

Who controls the Internet matters. While most countries place only limited restrictions on the websites people can view, a handful of authoritarian nations—including China, North Korea, and Russia, severely limit what people can access.

Russia has a vast system of Internet censorship and surveillance, which has been growing in recent years as the country tries to implement a sovereign Internet project that cuts it off from the rest of the world. The country’s System for Operative Investigative Activities, or SORM, can be used to read people’s emails, intercept text messages, and surveil other communications.

“Russian networks are fully controlled by the Russian authorities,” Malon, the Ukrainian telecom regulator, says. The rerouting of the Internet in occupied Ukrainian areas, Malon says, has the goal of spreading “Kremlin propaganda” and making people believe Ukrainian forces have abandoned them. “They are afraid that the news about the progress of the Ukrainian army will encourage resistance in the Kherson region and facilitate real activities,” Zhora says.

At the heart of the rerouting is Miranda Media, the operator in Crimea that appeared following the region’s annexation in 2014. Among “partners” listed on its website are the Russian security service known as the FSB and the Russian Ministry of Defense. The company did not respond to a request for comment.

In many ways, Crimea may act as an example of what happens next in newly occupied areas. “Only in 2017, Crimea was completely disconnected from Ukrainian traffic. And now, as far as I know, it's only Russian traffic there,” says Ksenia Ermoshina, an assistant research professor at the Center for Internet and Society and an affiliated researcher at the Citizen Lab. In January last year, Ermoshina and colleagues published research on how Russia has taken control of Crimea’s Internet infrastructure.

After it annexed Crimea in 2014, Russian authorities created two new Internet cables running along the Kerch Strait, where they connect with Russia. This process took three years to complete—something Ermoshina calls a “soft substitution model,” with connections transferring slowly over time. Since then, Russia has developed more advanced Internet control systems. “The power of the Russian censorship machine changed in between [2014 and 2022],” Ermoshina says. “What I'm afraid of is the strength of Russian propaganda.”

It’s likely that rerouting the Internet in Kherson and the surrounding areas is seen by Russian authorities as a key step in trying to legitimize the occupation, says Olena Lennon, a Ukrainian political science and national security adjunct professor at the University of New Haven. The moves could also be a blueprint for future conflicts.

Alongside Internet rerouting in Kherson and other regions, Russian officials have started handing out Russian passports. Officials claim a Russian bank will soon open in Kherson. And the region has been moved to Moscow’s time zone by occupying forces. Many of the steps echo what previously happened in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk. “Russia is making it clear that they're there for a long haul,” Lennon says, and controlling the Internet is core to that. “They're making plans for a long-term occupation.”

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/russia-is-taking-over-ukraines-internet/?comments=1


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Putin now monitors and controls segments of the ukrainian internet.

Elon Musk tried to be the hero to save ukraine from Putin's internet control via starlink. But apparently many do not like Elon Musk or starlink and so I guess that isn't considered a viable option.

Supporters of cashless economies might benefit from updating their standards to include preventive measures against intrusion and invasion by foreign powers.

Interestingly enough some ukrainians seem to prefer having internet access controlled by Putin, rather than having no internet at all.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: jackg on June 17, 2022, 01:13:20 AM
The reading emails, texts and other communications has been a thing established in most countries afaik and isn't new. There's a chance the devices Ukrainians already have can remain encrypted though (android to android and iPhone to iPhone SMS communications are encrypted afaik).

As for the Internet being controlled and monitored by Russia, I imagine a lot of people already have tor or vpns configured that could circumvent some serveillance (these are probably more discreet than putting a satellite dish on the side of your house to interact with starlink - which I assume is required).


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Ozero on June 17, 2022, 03:24:59 PM
The situation in the territories of Ukraine occupied by the Russians is actually even worse than it is written here. Alien Internet and passports of a foreign state, which are forcibly imposed by the occupiers on Ukrainians, this is not the most important thing.
Russia is carrying out a large-scale extermination of the Ukrainian people, whether Russian speakers or not, and many states have already recognized their actions as genocide in Ukraine.

Take, for example, Mariupol, which is located in southern Ukraine, is a port city and was territorially captured by the Russians in the very first days of the invasion, since this city was located close to the Crimean peninsula captured back in 2014. A unit of the National Guard of Ukraine and part of the Azov regiment remained in Mariupol, which remained to defend the city, despite the threat of encirclement. Having stumbled upon strong resistance, the invaders bypassed Mariupol and went further. The front was established more than a hundred kilometers from Mariupol, and therefore the Armed Forces of Ukraine fought in Mariupol for more than a hundred days in complete encirclement. After repeated attempts to capture the city, the Russians constantly suffered heavy losses. Therefore, they changed tactics and began to methodically destroy all the buildings in it with all types of weapons: mortars, artillery, multiple launch rocket systems, aviation. This was carried out despite the fact that the majority of the population, which amounted to about 458 thousand people, continued to remain in the city. The Russians deliberately began to destroy the city, despite the civilians, and at the same time they did not let anyone out of it. Those who tried to leave or leave the city in civilian vehicles were simply shot from tanks or other weapons. As a result, about 98 percent of the city's buildings were completely or partially destroyed. No one knows how many civilians died there.

 A noteworthy episode is when the Russians, knowing for certain that hundreds of women and children who had lost their homes due to constant shelling, were hiding in the building of the Drama Theater, on March 16 they deliberately dropped a supermassive bomb on it. All the people who were in it were buried under the rubble or died a slow death in the cellars. The Russians did not allow anyone to help them get out of the littered cellars. After the complete capture of the city, the territory of this theater was fenced off and the corpses were taken out themselves so that no one could see.
In view of the fact that most residential buildings in Mariupol cannot be restored, the Russians are now beginning to demolish them with equipment, without pulling out the corpses of women and children from under the rubble. Therefore, how many tens of thousands of civilians are buried under them, Ukraine will already count after its victory.
In addition, now thousands of surviving residents of Mariupol are sent to special filtration camps, where they are tortured and humiliated or forcibly deported to remote territories of Russia.

This happens in many settlements of Ukraine. Right now, the city of Severodonetsk is being subjected to scorched earth tactics.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: kryptqnick on June 17, 2022, 04:19:29 PM
Ukrainians know how to use a VPN, so it's not going to be a big deal. Even my mom who sometimes struggles with formatting in Word or making a presentation in PowerPoint has a VPN she successfully uses, and nobody even taught her how to get it and how to use it, she figured it out herself. What's more problematic is Russian school books at schools, subjects like Russian history, rubles as a currency, terrible prices and very limited food and medicine supplies on occupied territories (not to mention that Russia's killing people, torturing people, stealing grain etc.). Also, on what do you base the assumption that Starlink isn't an option because many don't like Musk? Musk is generally liked in Ukraine, and Starlink is great. It's just expensive, requires being set up in a location (and if a huge area is under occupation, it's a big challenge), and is more used for priority communications (for military communications), not for civilians to get info. And what's surprising that Putin's internet is better than no internet? Firstly, you can do some things to protect yourself and to gain access to actual information from non-Russian sources. Secondly, you can stay in touch with relatives.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: naira on June 17, 2022, 04:51:16 PM
Global monitoring of Ukrainian internet activity. At any time it can be decided or indeed it aims like a concentrated house. It's just that Russia limits democratic freedoms systematically controls everything in Ukraine and ensures every communication is accessible. This sounds terrible because it is possible to use VPNs and the like to trick. But the rest are just playing it safe so they don't get into trouble.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: fiulpro on June 17, 2022, 04:52:39 PM
This is not something that would be new. If they are attacking physically cyber attack is something that was gonna happen with it sooner or later and thus when we talk about them controlling the whole internet and stuff like that I do think it is indeed not only possible but is also the most deplorable thing that they can do..they are also controlling the internet in Russia as well, people in Russia have no idea the extent of probelms that the Ukranian are having and therefore they are playing a double sided Battle, at the same time the Russian government is also trying to get youth participation they are trying to make them create content online glorifying 'Z'. This is sick tho.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraines Internet
Post by: NotATether on June 18, 2022, 03:46:44 PM
[This thread should probably be moved to Politics and Society.]

I think it would be very useful to uncover the goals and strategies (& tactics) of the Russian disinformation machine at large, if only for the people to see how it works and defend themselves from it.

It would also help us see how such a disinformation machine can be used by other bad entities (think anybody trying to be a Big Brother) could use it for their own nefarious purposes, in somecases for world-wide brainwashing - as the internet is worldwide and it transcends all countries.


Since the start of Putins war in February, disrupting or disabling Internet infrastructure has been a common tacticcontrolling the flow of information is a powerful weapon. Russian missiles have destroyed TV towers, a cyberattack against a satellite system had knock-on impacts across Europe, and disinformation has tried to break Ukrainian spirits. Despite frequent Internet blackouts, Ukraines rich ecosystem of Internet companies has rallied to keep people online. While Ukrainian troops are successfully launching counterattacksagainst Russian occupation in the south of the country, Kherson remains controlled by invading forces. (In March, it became the first major city to fall into Russian hands, and its residents have lived under occupation for around 100 days, reporting numerous incidents of torture.)

The success or failure of this operation depends on how completely they control the communication lines to control the narrative. Turkish Army rebels tried this in 2016 and failed because they didn't do it completely. Perhaps if Ukranians recapture Kherson in a few months, then the vast Russian communications apparatus will be quickly destroyed. Better no internet than an enemy-controlled one, from the army's point of view. Civilians will obviously maintain the opposite, and I myself must admit that life without internet connectivity is very unbearable (from previous experience).

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Elon Musk tried to be the hero to save ukraine from Putin's internet control via starlink. But apparently many do not like Elon Musk or starlink and so I guess that isn't considered a viable option.

I mean, there is only so much a billionaire can do to stand up to a dictator. Besides, their actions are largely uncoordinated.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraines Internet
Post by: Theones on June 20, 2022, 08:34:05 AM

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Elon Musk tried to be the hero to save ukraine from Putin's internet control via starlink. But apparently many do not like Elon Musk or starlink and so I guess that isn't considered a viable option.

I mean, there is only so much a billionaire can do to stand up to a dictator. Besides, their actions are largely uncoordinated.

I heard in the local news month ago that Russia will hack Ukraine official gov website and information and data.
The war has done enough damage to the Ukraine and to Russia it self and of course to the whole world.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Leviathan.007 on June 22, 2022, 07:22:19 PM
I'm not sure if they really can take over the internet in Ukraine but I'm sure the Russian army is not happy when the Ukrainian people can use the Internet and send the news from the Russian army in their country and get some help from other countries as donations. We all know some Ukrainians use Airbnb to earn some money because people from all over the world can make a reservation but never visit that place. Also, there are many people in the world who can easily send donations to Ukrainian people using bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, that's the reason for Russians to take over the internet in Ukraine.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: coupable on June 22, 2022, 07:36:16 PM
There are more dangerous fears than those presented by this topic, which is that Russia could cut the Internet lines that pass through the ocean which links between Europe and America at the bottom of the ocean in an area geographically attached to the United Kingdom, including Ireland. And this will be in the form of a Russian response to the sanctions that are being imposed on it after its invasion of Ukraine.
As a reminder, nearly 97% of global Internet traffic and $10 billion of daily financial transactions pass through fiber-optic cables that lie at the bottom of the ocean.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: DrBeer on June 22, 2022, 07:49:11 PM
Do you remember what the German Nazis did when they seized foreign territories? Your radio, your newspapers, your news, your history, your presenters. What Nazi Russia is doing today in Ukraine is a pathetic imitation of the Third Reich, starting from a pathetic copy of the Fuhrer and ending with everything else. But today the main channel for turning people into idiots is propaganda TV and controlled internet. They are afraid of the Internet, because through it you can find out the truth, and therefore, first of all, they switch traffic to their exchange nodes. Well, how else to spoil the brain of the layman with propaganda?


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Theones on June 27, 2022, 08:54:45 PM
Do you remember what the German Nazis did when they seized foreign territories? Your radio, your newspapers, your news, your history, your presenters. What Nazi Russia is doing today in Ukraine is a pathetic imitation of the Third Reich, starting from a pathetic copy of the Fuhrer and ending with everything else. But today the main channel for turning people into idiots is propaganda TV and controlled internet. They are afraid of the Internet, because through it you can find out the truth, and therefore, first of all, they switch traffic to their exchange nodes. Well, how else to spoil the brain of the layman with propaganda?
Yes - that is how the powerful rule. But do you know how Afghani kicked out USA from Afghanistan.
That is the real story. They do not have much training but they didn't let RSSR rule them they didn't let USA rule them. At the end invader has to to go.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: dansus021 on June 29, 2022, 02:52:30 AM
in this modern war, the internet become one of the country's weaknesses. you can control the internet you can control the communication right.

I read the Elon musk tweet about StarLink that is already available on Ukraine. but it is not enough since Starlink alone need some router and etc if the shipment is also controlled by the Russia well we are done.

we can use the internet using a proxy or VPN to keep secure but I don't know if that enough


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Pomogator on June 29, 2022, 05:46:46 AM
It was expected. All occupied territories of Ukraine must be transferred to all Russian companies, otherwise it will be complete chaos. Thus, Russia is moving away from the control of the occupied territories in the digital field, which simplifies its further activities in these territories.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Cryptolove20015 on June 29, 2022, 11:08:23 AM
Russia-Ukraine now wants to occupy three regions of Russia-Ukraine without occupying the Internet. The people of Ukraine are terrified to hear this.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Pesona1 on June 29, 2022, 12:37:34 PM
I think it is not surprising that Russia has now mastered everything in Ukraine, including the internet network in Ukraine today, war in the modern era like today, of course, the internet and telephone networks are vital things that are very decisive and that's why why russia is targeting to take over control of internet and telephone servers in the country,I think nowadays it will be very difficult for ukraine citizens to hide their privacy on internet because they are getting surveillance from russian side.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Darker45 on June 29, 2022, 01:25:36 PM
Elon didn't try to be a hero; he simply wanted to help. Ukraine is actually helpless without the help coming from everyone from everywhere. Elon is just one of them. It so happened that Elon can do a lot given his position. He has a lot; he can give a lot.

I don't agree that Elon's Starlink isn't a viable option. That Elon isn't liked by many doesn't mean his help for the Ukrainians isn't appreciated. His help has been vital. I'm sure the Ukrainians are very happy that Elon has come to their aid at the time they needed him most.

Of course, Russia is more than eager to get hold of information dissemination tools like the internet because that's the primary tool for their mind-conditioning operations.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Minecache on June 29, 2022, 03:24:05 PM
Today, war is no longer only a gun but also a battle of the internet of social networks. You will gain an advantage over your competitors if you control the internet and the traditions of your opponents. 

All communication and support activities from outside are through the internet if there is no internet, The war will be over if Russia controls the internet in its entirety.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraines Internet
Post by: DrBeer on June 30, 2022, 09:33:25 AM
[This thread should probably be moved to Politics and Society.]

I think it would be very useful to uncover the goals and strategies (& tactics) of the Russian disinformation machine at large, if only for the people to see how it works and defend themselves from it.

It would also help us see how such a disinformation machine can be used by other bad entities (think anybody trying to be a Big Brother) could use it for their own nefarious purposes, in somecases for world-wide brainwashing - as the internet is worldwide and it transcends all countries.


Since the start of Putins war in February, disrupting or disabling Internet infrastructure has been a common tacticcontrolling the flow of information is a powerful weapon. Russian missiles have destroyed TV towers, a cyberattack against a satellite system had knock-on impacts across Europe, and disinformation has tried to break Ukrainian spirits. Despite frequent Internet blackouts, Ukraines rich ecosystem of Internet companies has rallied to keep people online. While Ukrainian troops are successfully launching counterattacksagainst Russian occupation in the south of the country, Kherson remains controlled by invading forces. (In March, it became the first major city to fall into Russian hands, and its residents have lived under occupation for around 100 days, reporting numerous incidents of torture.)

The success or failure of this operation depends on how completely they control the communication lines to control the narrative. Turkish Army rebels tried this in 2016 and failed because they didn't do it completely. Perhaps if Ukranians recapture Kherson in a few months, then the vast Russian communications apparatus will be quickly destroyed. Better no internet than an enemy-controlled one, from the army's point of view. Civilians will obviously maintain the opposite, and I myself must admit that life without internet connectivity is very unbearable (from previous experience).

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Elon Musk tried to be the hero to save ukraine from Putin's internet control via starlink. But apparently many do not like Elon Musk or starlink and so I guess that isn't considered a viable option.

I mean, there is only so much a billionaire can do to stand up to a dictator. Besides, their actions are largely uncoordinated.


Now Russia, as a representative of terrorist movements at the state level, is trying to simply DESTROY EVERYTHING on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, influence through television / Internet / broadcasting is possible only in those cities that were captured in the first weeks of the war and did not suffer from Russian vandalism. In all other villages, towns and cities, there is virtually no infrastructure, after the arrival of the "Russian world", as well as most of the population :(

Here, by the way, Musk helps us a lot in the fight against Russian Nazism, his Starlink helps our troops a lot, where Russian terrorists, out of habit, destroyed everything that was possible, including the infrastructure of the same mobile operators .. Yes, and it’s not safe. Musk's Starlink is an inaccessible technology for the "second army in the world", due to their technological backwardness and the absolutely fictional effectiveness of their weapons (electronic warfare systems in this case) ...


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: laredo7mm on June 30, 2022, 04:12:39 PM
It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: doomloop on June 30, 2022, 09:22:56 PM
I think it is not surprising that Russia has now mastered everything in Ukraine, including the internet network in Ukraine today, war in the modern era like today, of course, the internet and telephone networks are vital things that are very decisive and that's why why russia is targeting to take over control of internet and telephone servers in the country,I think nowadays it will be very difficult for ukraine citizens to hide their privacy on internet because they are getting surveillance from russian side.
If they know that someone is watching them from the other side then why cant they just disconnect their internet but that will be a lot harder to move since internet is already part of our daily lives but they can also use the internet offered by musk. Don't tell me that they also didn't trust musk? But afaik, Musk already help them before when their internet on their country is unavailable and I don't think must is also spying on them and leaking their data's to Russia.

For those people that prefers the internet controlled by Putin rather than musk I think they are out of their minds already, did they forget that Putin is the mastermind behind the attack that happened to their own country?


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: DrBeer on June 30, 2022, 10:39:22 PM
It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago :) Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine? :) Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"! :)


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: cabron on June 30, 2022, 11:30:05 PM
It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago :) Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine? :) Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"! :)

Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian  hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to  make it brutal, they  wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they  must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.

Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.



Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 01:26:16 AM
Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian  hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to  make it brutal, they  wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they  must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.

Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.

American tricks are not working anymore. The Indonesian president is in Russia right now, to hold talks with Vladimir Putin. He wants to secure supplies of wheat, fertilizer and crude oil from Russia. The Indians are sending delegation after delegation, to secure deliveries of oil, LNG, coal, fertilizer and chemicals. Americans can cry as much as they want about evil Russians invading a poor third world country. But thanks to social media (owned by the Americans themselves), a lot of people are getting their information outside the mainstream media and they are more aware about the situation.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Pujangga on July 01, 2022, 07:11:55 AM
After mastering the internet it will be easy for the Russian government to control all harmful information, of course Russia will use the power of the internet to influence the Ukrainian public's assumption to accept Russia.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: DrBeer on July 01, 2022, 06:43:28 PM
It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago :) Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine? :) Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"! :)

Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian  hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to  make it brutal, they  wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they  must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.
Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.

Everything is right here! To crap, spoil, break, lie - these are the fundamental habits of the carriers of the concept of the "Russian world". If we talk about high-tech hacks, most likely the rashists simply bought third-party resources that did this dirty work on their behalf. But Russia itself is a backward, resource-oriented country, a third world country at best. Name me at least one technology that was invented and given to the whole world by Russians, in Russia, over the past 30 years? I am sure when studying the issue - you will make many amazing discoveries about Russia :)


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Ebede on July 01, 2022, 11:59:41 PM
Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Theones on July 02, 2022, 09:20:04 PM
Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine
Everything is fair in love and war. In today's world internet and cyber security is everything. .
Every country should have strong defence and strong cyber security - less data online to avoid hacking online..


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: DrBeer on July 08, 2022, 08:25:02 PM
Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine

The fact that Ukraine is not a self-sufficient country is a fact. The fact is also that Russia is highly dependent on imports, and technologically backward . But only with these equals, there is a slight difference. The difference is that the entire developed world is helping Ukraine, while on the contrary, it binds Russia with sanctions and pushes it towards further degradation.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Kakmakr on July 09, 2022, 10:43:32 AM
I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that.  (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month)  ::)


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: Argoo on July 09, 2022, 11:15:15 AM
I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that.  (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month)  ::)
Russia is leading this aggressive war in Ukraine as a gang of murderers, rapists and robbers. Russians steal in Ukraine not only the Internet, but everything of value that comes their way. Everything is taken out of the captured houses, up to the furniture. This is not an army, this is a medieval horde ... Now in the war in the Donbass, there is no other tactic than razing everything to the ground with artillery and aircraft so that no one can resist, after which they take not cities and other settlements, but square kilometers scorched earth. At the same time, the Russian army does not give a damn about the Russian-speaking population of this territory, whom they allegedly came to liberate. Residential buildings are destroyed along with the people living there, and this is considered the norm for them.
The cities of Severodonetsk, Lychichansk, Mariupol and others captured by the Russians are unlikely to be restored by the Russians. In Mariupol, they have already admitted that they are not even able to establish water supply and electricity supply. Soon they will be driven out of the occupied territory and, with the help of the international community, normal recovery will begin.


Title: Re: Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet
Post by: DrBeer on July 09, 2022, 11:54:35 AM
I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that.  (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month)  ::)

Here, by the way, Musk helps us a lot in the fight against Russian Nazism, his Starlink helps our troops a lot, where Russian terrorists, out of habit, destroyed everything that was possible, including the infrastructure of the same mobile operators .. Yes, and it’s not safe. Musk's Starlink is an inaccessible technology for the "second army in the world", due to their technological backwardness and the absolutely fictional effectiveness of their weapons (electronic warfare systems in this case) ...

What I agree with is that for private use, the price of subscribing to the service may not be the most affordable, especially in the regions where people will return after the expulsion of the occupiers, they will clearly not care about such countries. But I can say that 4G networks work very well in Ukraine, and it will not be very difficult to restore such networks, given international support. At home, it will be enough to have an ordinary 4G router, and consider the network working! The subscription fee is meager - now in Ukraine, for example, 4G packages, with pre-paid 15 GB of traffic, cost about $ 4-5 / month, while streaming TV from a mobile operator is not charged, i.e. unlimited, which is about 150-200 channels, video libraries.