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just saw this video published today by Cyrus Janssen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8EQAYDjDxI).  although he isn't providing link to what he is actually talking about. I did some googling which i found these:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-29/alibaba-makes-metaverse-bet-in-china-s-magic-leap-rival
https://www.alibabacloud.com/solutions/metaverse

i didn't know how AR differs to VR. Alibaba will be creating the worlds shopping center where you can use the headset and just literally going to experience this metaverse.

In the future i think its not so far fetch after all to play and travel around the world while at home. the way its been described by Cyrus will actually work best for metaverse casinos than what Zuckerberg have in mind.  i think this is where we can chat on the poker table and make bluffs.

Metaverses are entertainment for many people, as is virtual reality. People come to casinos to have fun and enjoy themselves too. So the casino in VR is double entertainment. When the metaverses and VR are of a very high quality, I am sure that these technologies will be used everywhere, not just to go to the mall or to travel.

Virtual Reality (VR) and Augmented Reality (AR) each have an own market.

Different types of information are superimposed over the real world in Augmented Reality. It's as if you're wearing a glass or head gear similar to the robot vision featured in the movie, where information is displayed on top of the object you're looking at. Perhaps AR could be really handy for counting cards?

Virtual reality, on the other hand, appears to be more useful for training or as a gateway to an actual casino experience, and table game simulation is an excellent example of this to gain a better understanding of the game's concepts.

If I were to choose which technologies will have more impact specifically in casino, it would be AR for sure!!!

here is an update to their metaverse which they compare this time to the Meta of facebook. they're telling that its more decentralized which they are the ones setting the standards of using Meta. they are showing this to be more like how the internet today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6s4ZIH3l8

if this is not created by Chinese, do you think there will be more hype on this development?

The question is, can decentralized (or close to it) services grow in China? I don't have much hope for China to be able to play casino freely especially crypto-based, yeah even though they are always at the forefront of technological developments.
VR technology can indeed enhance the desire of casino players to play close to reality in countries where there are no physical casinos. Still I can't understand why he chose a country with so many restrictions to develop a potential company, so far I don't see that HTC's president is a Chinese (maybe I'm wrong).

I don't think so. And I wouldn't bet on it unless they gave me a gigantic potential return for the bet.


I also share your concerns but Cher Wang is Taiwanese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher_Wang), so it's debatable whether she's Chinese or not, LOL. I don't know if this will help clarify anything.

Idk, I think AR would be better in terms of casino experience, and would probably be a lot quicker in terms of improvement. AR would add the experience of that 2d/3d feel to the real world which imo is a lot easier compared to adding that realistic 3d feel of the world towards 2d/3d. It's the difference between implementing a system in a developed world and developing a new world. Plus, it makes you go out.

I'm honestly more interested now in AR development with what they showed.

Not possible. I mean it's China, I don't think we have anything more to discuss there. 

I think AR/VR will never replace the real world. Check Meta’s stock price it is going down into toilet. People are simply not interested in this shit. I know I am not. Some people will try it out eventually but Zuck made a bug mistake with changing the corporate’s name in to Meta imo and we can see the effects on the price of the stock. Right now MeTa is the (or one of the) cheapest social media stock there is and it is being priced like it is going bankrupt. That should give you an idea .

Hype or not depends on marketing to promote this metaverse to the community, when management and developers want to provide full support by means of a very large promotion then it will become hype and have a chance to become even bigger, but if there is no good marketing strategy then this circulation of metaverse will disappear like the others.

Mainland China is strictly anti-gambling.... both online and offline wagering are illegal with both punishable by fines and imprisonment.  ::)  Macau on the other hand, is a special administrative region like Hong Kong, and the only place in China where casinos are legal.

So most of the Chinese people will not be allowed to gamble on that digital platform, with them being one of the strongest economies in the world. So the success of this Chinese Metaverse will be based on the willingness of western countries to migrate to that platform.  ::)

I remember the AR which I experienced in some of the gadgets a long way back but its not really same as metaverse so there is a lot difference to satisfy the current generation tech users. And if I am not wrong China completely banned any type of gambling apart from one province so the market in China for the gambling industry is not really great like other countries so even if the technology is developing the company will like to introduce them on more democratic and gambling friendly countries.

In the future, virtual and augmented reality technologies will become very widespread. 

Modern smartphones no longer surprise with their technologies.  In their development, quantitative rather than qualitative changes occur.  The number of cameras is changing, IPS screens are being replaced by OLED screens, stereo sound is being improved, and so on.  However, modern smartphones are not much different from smartphones in 2017.  There are no fundamental differences.  The functionality of modern and old smartphones is exactly the same. 

At the same time, augmented virtual reality headsets provide a completely different user experience.  They provide a complete immersion in virtual reality.  The smartphone also allows tactile, visual and auditory interaction with its owner. 

However, the smartphone does not provide a complete immersion in virtual reality. 

Currently, most of the major IT companies are making huge investments in virtual and augmented reality technologies.  Because it is clear to everyone that other devices should come to replace smartphones and laptops.  Many believe that the future belongs to augmented and virtual reality headsets, helmets, glasses, and so on. 

Perhaps virtual augmented reality will develop only with the massive introduction of neural interfaces that will allow you to deliver information directly to the brain. 

In any case, it is virtual augmented reality that will allow you to get a unique user experience in a new type of online casino.  Such online casinos are the future!

Western countries to migrate to a China platform?I think people are dreaming a bit to big here.Most Western countries have removed their factories in China because Chinese are great copiers of technology so they have migrated their workforce to other countries,maybe a bit more expensive but at least in those countries the risk of the technologies being copied is much lower.

I don't expect such countries to migrate to a Chinese platform despite it being marketed as something really big,the Western countries will not be impressed and so most probably this metaverse will fail but only time will tell.

But in mainland China, gambling is illegal. Is Jack Ma hoping to receive wide acceptance by ignoring the communist authorities? Jack Ma for sure knows that despite bitcoin, crypto, mining, and gambling being illegal, there are still probably millions of Chinese involved in it secretly. Rich Chinese though can easily evade the law since they can just go to HK or Macau or overseas and acquire an ID or even properties in order to be exempted.

This project though if realized including the casinos will be a problem for Jack Ma if the government will go against it. I am not updated if Jack Ma is still a member of the communist party after he went MIA last year.

You have a point but I guess what they are offering are alternative, so in the end, it's the people that are going to win here.


That is the big question, but we already knows that the Chinese government will not allow decentralization. Just like what they did in crypto, they allow it to flourish until such time that it grows big. And what they do is simply shut it down for good.

Going through the VR/AR and the meta, what percentage of the people are using it. This is beyond a common man's need. It can be praised as a big innovation that have made far better things that human mind cannot think about. At the same time it also need to provide some real life usage for the common man. Everything is just a hype, and we've got everything on place. Now in the name of innovation we can't come up with realistic products and that is why everyone moved to meta which isn't needed for human survival.

AR is augmented, think of layers on existing "world". VR is completely digital. Hence the AR device needed to augment what you can already see.

The metaverse concept everyone's bandying about is completely VR (virtual), though I suppose AR could be used to bring aspects of it out into those wanting to mix the experience.

Have to say though, practical versions of metaverse casinos actually existed since the late 1990s... I should know, my very first online casinos were installed from CD software... William Hill and another one I don't recall had a huge virtual casino experience, avatars, chatrooms, suites, VIP rooms, restaurants, etc.

It does seem like it's moved away from that now. Live dealers streamed in real-time, preferred to actual gamblers mingling around in lobbies and tables as chatting avatars. So I think that while the tech exists to renew the old idea and make it better, is that what gamblers really want? Is there even a market anymore for it? Social app users and gamblers, they're not necessarily the same group of people.

Considering that the pictures and videos of Meta's version of metaverse, I'm glad that the Chinese are stepping up their game and implementing a lot cleaner and more visually appealing version of their metaverse. Mark Zuckerberg's version seems like a capstone project of VR students that just wants to test their fundamentals on the subject. While I understand that creating VR material is extremely hard, knowing that the likes of Half-Life: Alyx exists already from a company that has a relatively smaller budget than Meta's, of course people expected more.

China's visualization of how the metaverse should be is great. It can be adopted onto a bunch of things and companies can use it as a basis. Imagine the thought of walking through the alley and being welcomed into the casino even though you're just wearing your pajamas at the comfort of your home? I know it's a gimmick but it's a fun way to do things.

If we talk about a future where technology will develop much better than now, there is a possibility that AR and VR technology will also have a better form. Currently, the technology is still in development and has not yet reached its maximum stage because its appearance is still not as smooth or "live" as we see it in the real world. So I don't think it will be implemented into gambling yet because I think the price to buy the equipment is still quite expensive for most gamblers who still prefer to use the existing technology. But that will change when the equipment price can be cheaper so they can buy it easily. It all depends on how much it costs people to buy the equipment and if it's still expensive, not everyone will try it.

I think this is a dubious alternative to reality. I can watch cartoons or be in AR/VR at any time, but this is not a substitute for reality. A picture or a pretty video of food is no substitute for a real dinner, and a picture of a girl is no substitute for a girl (I think you know what I mean) haha. When technology reaches the level to make a subtle replacement for these things, then all this will become relevant, but not before.

Due to high competition, I'm sure that gambling sites will still empose developments and improvements when it comes to the quality of the game regardless of its price. The emersion of the latest technology could still grow and have better changes in the future so we could expect that there will also be people who would spend so much to enjoy and be entertained with the latest features.

The problem is that the technology is still just a promise. There isn't anything visually enjoyable offered by metaverse projects yet. I believe most gamblers won't feel tempted into adopting this new feature to see themselves and other gamblers around them in cartoonish graphics which were firstly designed for kids a long time ago. Gamblers need something more realistic and attractive to have an immersive experience in this new world, otherwise it's just a marketing strategy by big companies like Alibaba to join the currently hype which has reached the currently importance stage mostly due to facebook metaverse's propaganda.

The Chinese can do a great job with tech undoubtedly and make improvements to someone's technology, and now that they have had an extra funding at a time Zuckerberg is facing economical downturns on his investment in the metaverse, they are definitely in line to better Zuckerberg's idea. Also the competition about the metaverse space is healthy and good as we are certain that when the metaverse is fully operational, we will be getting the best. Meta Casinos will be a new evolution to gambling.

The metaverse is something that is beyond our understanding and imagination. We can only think about how we will be physically present in a virtual world. However, once the metaverse will be live, it will be something out of this world and change the gambling overall experience.


It does not matter if china creates the metaverse or any other country, the hype will be never ending.

I believe you will get asked to provide KYC because China is very strict country and want to control anything, they even ban Bitcoin due to decentralized nature and can't be controlled. I wouldn't use any technology about chinese version of metaverse because I don't think it's has a difference with virtual reality (VR). Also not sure if they will create and launch their own metaverse since there's a lot discussion until now but there's no realization.

Not sure how you think that the "chinese version" of any original will be better than anything. When, in all of history has a chinese version of something shown itself as superior? Don't get me wrong, meta casinos will definitely see a boost in revenue thanks to this and that might make them quite happy, but if the original version of Meta could not pull it, why exactly would a chinese clone be better?

As far as I understand it, the reason Meta failed had nothing to do with the fault of how it was developed. But rather that there was not much demand for it. So how is this chinese version better? What sets it apart?

Of course, KYC is a thing in every licensed casinos. About the metaverse and VR. You should check the difference of VR against metaverse^[1]. You can say VR even AR is how metaverse looks in broader concept.

About chinese creating their own metaverse, well, metaverse is a concept, i don't think they will create almost the same concept and call it in chinese name. They also embrace VR and AR, their government supports every new technology that their government and businesses can advantage of.

[1] https://www.solulab.com/metaverse-vs-virtual-reality/

I think KYC is possible given that Casino's have their license and needs to abide the rules they are bonded, These applies on China casino as well. There will be differences but we can't tell yet if AR metaverse can compete with VR metaverse. I think they do have plans on being one of first who will make a metaverse and it is known that Chinese apps today can level other International apps today like US made apps.

I think if you want to take a walk in the metaiverse, you shouldn't have any trouble passing the KYC. It's a perfectly normal regulatory requirement, and over time we'll get used to it just as we've gotten used to smart phones and video cameras on highways and in public places.

Creating a metaverse is not a year of development, so you have to wait. I have no doubt that China will compete with the U.S. in this area as well as in other areas.

These "virtual worlds" have been created in numerous iterations over the years, although technology has slowly allowed their actual functionality to improve the reality is that you're still playing a game and buying into something that could disappear tomorrow. It's ironic considering how often the Chinese government periodically cracks down on things like so-called internet addiction and shows that their society is still very erratic in how it can cope with these things. While they may use it as a method to master artificial intelligence and other advanced software, Facebook actually have a lot more know-how to produce these virtual worlds based on their acquisitions over time.

an updated video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6s4ZIH3l8

according to the video, you don't have to do KYC since its open for all. all you need is a device and connect to the metaverse. the are 4 stages of the metaverse says HTC President which currently is just in the larvae stage. i think it will still take years.

China is in the position to develop since they are producing all sort of devices. what is to hope for is if its really open for all just as they said that we only need to connect.

We don't know how long it will take to develop, but metaverse brings a unique experience to almost any type of online activity. It works for the porn industry, gambling, gaming, you name it.
I wouldn't focus on the Chinese, other Asian countries are just as interested in this, although they might not be as big gamblers as the Chinese.

That said, I'd like to see everything move forward because people made bets on blockchain, meta and so on and due to fiat currency manipulations they're now scared of investing more and without investments it's not going to move past beta phase.

They didn't say that it will replace the things that we usually see in the real world but they are only an alternative when we want to experience something in the real world but we can't do due to some reasons. Meta's stock price is falling down because there was a dip that is experienced lately on many markets, therefore many assets are also affected not only the meta. The fall of the price in their stock, does not mean that their idea of having a metaverse is a failure. Not all likes new innovation but there are some who are into it.

It's price might have dumped a lot but I don't think a big company like meta will get bankrupt. This should not scare investors but they will invest more on it actually.

Lately, My personal opinion on Metaverses as an industry and business model has changed and switched negatively, because it seems it is an excuse for big (and fairly shady) comparations like Facebook/Meta to charge for NFTs transactions and other features, taking advantages of content creators.

In the case of a Chinese Metaverse, I am afraid it would be more dystopian and shady, because the CCP already embraces a policy of massive surveillance over their population and other abuses, at least in USA and Europe there are laws which are supposedly there to protect costumers and people in general, in China it is different.

I would not be surprised if the social credit of the individuals there could get affected depending on their activities on Metaverse Casinos.

I get your point, but the technology is already there for us to have a glimpse of some place we haven't been to before and be 'in' there virtually. Actual physical experience will always top AR/VR experience, but for those who don't have the luxury and time to actually go to some place, this can somewhat be a good substitute. Rich people that don't have much time to visit a casino can opt to use a VR casino if they want to. The experience would be entirely different, but at the least it fulfill his/her gambling itch somewhat.

It is because of this that I think the metaverse is going to become successful, and while it is obvious that for those which can afford to travel all over the world and visit the very best casinos that it can offer this is not going to be a substitute, I think it will be for those which cannot afford it.

After all if we take the time to look at social media people have replaced real friends with fake friends in Facebook and all of those social media platforms, so I think something similar could happen with the metaverse.

Well, the Chinese are known to make enormous projects like the Great Wall of China that still stands today. 5G alone proves it. The projects they build in China is very surprising actually, you wouldn't believe no one mentioned it around your circle like the Observatory Telescope to watch the space they build so wide no one on earth has it.


Using VR actually makes more sense than using Facebook for the metaverse. I think if there is also a VR device producer in India or Mexico, anywhere in the world can just use the VR to connect to the metaverse they are building. All you need is a connection, going into the stores or establishments in the metaverse I guess is where you will need registration.

That's true and by having the latest technology, the casino will give every gambler the satisfaction of playing and will not disappoint its users. The casino will also continue to provide better service to its users. This is the use of technology that can be implemented in the gambling business and casino owners are also aware of changes in technology so they will try to take part in it.

Maybe the developer shows an early version of the technology and explains that their technology will have even better capabilities later. We haven't seen how the technology will evolve into something better than it is now so I think there will be many people wanting to try the technology. And for online casinos, there will probably be some casinos that try the technology and implement it with existing games or create new ones. We'll see what the developers will come up with.

The Metaverse of Facebook uses VR, they have their own bran of Virtual Reality headsets called "Oculus/Quest", you can get more information about it here:

https://www.meta.com/quest/

I am aware what the concept of metaverse is, don't get me wrong. My problem is the Chinese ideology applied to the Metaverse business, because of the lack of respect for privacy they have, added to the authoritarianism the blatantly show and commit against their own people. If China is already moving to an actual dystopian society (specially in their biggest cities) then I can't imagine what the Chinese Metaverse will mean to them.  :(

Are you only playing at gambling sites that do not require KYC? If so, you must have very few choices to play with because most of the trusted sites will require for KYC in order to be compliant with government regulations.

Similarly, metaverse casinos will also have such limitations and you will not get into metaverse casinos hiding your identity. However, if the model of the metaverse is totally decentralized, then we may see KYC free metaverse casinos.

Honestly, it has changed negatively for the majority.

After all of those prices of the NFTs to drop a lot and the others have been using NFTs as a gateway for their scamming activities, it has made really a big negative impact to the community.

Not saying that all of them are scams but in the near future, I guess we'll see a better environment than of these for casinos.

That's good news, I don't really like what Mark Zuckerberg is trying to do withe the metaverse. All the promotions I see make me wonder why the visuals are so outdated and what's the real point of. I am trying to stay as much as possible away from Meta products and will not join the Zuckerberg metaverse. It's great that there is now competition and I hope the Chinese version is more successful. Metaverse casinos seem like the next big step in gambling world. Visiting physical casinos was always a very social experience, drinking with friends, gambling with money while interacting with strangers, witness crazy winnings bt the most random people. It would be nice if all those things could also be experienced in the online gambling community.

You are right about the visual experience, it can be at least some kind of substitute for the actual physical presence. But if we talk about the casino, what is the point of using these technologies if the main goal of a gambler is to enjoy the game itself and not its visualization? Visiting a real casino is also associated with demonstrating one's status, but this cannot be done using VR technologies, which means that there is only one goal - gambling. And gambling is perfectly accessible without these unnecessary complications.

I have high expectations for NFTs before not until I've seen projects that I have invested in failed and turned into a rug pull. Many scammers have used NFTs to fool their investors and to gain money. I think NFTs still need more developments and improvements for projects to last longer in the future. We'll see it when the market goes back to normal and when NFTs rise again.

I think you are right because the Chinese have what it take with there population and market to take the metaverse game to the next level looking at the big support from Alibaba and other great companies. I will really hope on this and look forward on how this plan is going to work well since it supported the original goal of Mark Zuckerberg of taking the metaverse to the next work. I have also seen interesting metaverse games that really makes sense with lots of usage and features that will keep making the metaverse a eyeing and lucrative venture.

Well, I think that many have that expectation for NFTs before during the bull run. Many think that it's a disruptive new trend and market that's here to stay together even if the bear market comes.

But, it turned out that it's not.

Majority if not most of them, are already have lost their value and track. Those that are enthusiastic about it before have already changed what they think about it.

Metaverse gained a lot of hype when people first learned about it but as time goes by, I guess people still coming back to its traditional way wherein they get more thrilled and excitement. Although metaverse keeps on advancing us, but I don’t see it’s for long term as it may be temporarily hyped and may eventually end up as nothing in the future.

I think being able to sit around a poker table, chat and bluff, or even play one-armed bandit in the virtual reality of the metaverse is only a small possibility of such a grand project. With time, when technology will be even more perfect than now you will be able to travel around the world and visit any casino in any part of the world. :D Or at least buy clothes at the mall flirting with the saleswomen. It all looks futuristic now, but I think it will be 10-20 years before such things are realised.

Metaverse is going to be big for gambling but it will take some time before it becomes popular. It can be compared to virtual reality. How many people you know who use VR setup at least once a week? Probably not many.  


They failed not because NFTs as the idea are bad but because most of these projects were overhyped and their value came from people scamming others by insider trading and inflating prices.
Most altcoins fail but it doesn't mean cryptocurrency is bad. NFTs will get their use but it's going to take years and those won't be the same NFTs people were hyped for now like those monkeys and penguins they were collecting.

We can still do it, get all the players on a zoom call and virtual table lol

Anyways, online gambling is already massive. Even in developing and poor nations. You can already sit on a live table and watch its stream. I don't think metaverse will ad anything major to the current experience.

In a way, you can already call online gambling a metaverse of its own.

And alibaba and facebook aren't going to allow gambling to bloom anytime soon in their metaverse. They will be looking for a healthy growth focused on positive interests. Gambling is a very negative activity. It will be censored to hell in the initial stages of upcoming metaverses.

As far as I know, virtual reality, augmented reality, and metaverse are different things.

Virtual reality replaces completely the things you see in your surrounding using some sort of tool such as virtual glasses or vr box to show the newly set and readily made place or reality. Meanwhile, augmented reality just adds on the view you are seeing. AR adds some elements or objects on your line of sight and it is usually done with the usage of smartphone camera such as the game which trended before Pokemon Go.

Now, metaverse is a completely different thing. While it relates to virtual reality since it features a virtual realm as well, it differs in set up. Metaverse from the word itself is a multitude of universes. It is comprised of different virtual realities. It is interconnected and you can do many things inside it. It does not limit you from becoming entertained only, but you can do various things such as modifying the reality you are staying in and creating one too. You can enjoy while having the possibility of generating income too such as in planned metaverse casinos which is a plus for those who want to explore something new even they are just inside the comfort of their homes.

Metaverse is slowly being developed and I know for sure that many games and even for shopping or strolling purposes will come out of this idea. Given that there are already plans about making a meta shopping, it's possible it will be used for other things as well that will bring satisfaction and convenience to the users.

It will be like Mobile phones which were not very common back in the 90s and then suddenly become very cheap because technology is adopted.
Alibaba producing VR equipment will make the adoption of Meta down our doorstep and the more it will be fast since we all are just used to the internet already.

The downside is that generations will all gonna be couch potatoes just sitting all day long eating chips.

There is a crucial difference with the wave of availability and popularity we lived with the smartphones (specially with those that ran Android) and it was the fact the OS of those products: Android is/was open source, any company could make their own phones and these would be able to communicate and use the same apps that the phones mass produced by other companies and competitors had.

In the case of the Metaverse, I highly doubt Facebook/Meta will release their source code or even make a deal with foreign companies so their metaverse works on Chines VR sets (Since meta wants to make money off the sale of their own sets), in this scenario, there is no sign of compatibility as there is with smartphones.

Nobody would buy three VR sets in other to get in three different metaverses made by three different companies, the same way nobody would buy three phones in the imaginary scenario IPhones only could communicate with other Apple products, Galaxies only with other Sansumg phones and so on.

Adaptation to the metaverse will accelerate with the investment made by Alibaba. Not everything happens at once and adaptation will take time. Metaverse will be useful for casinos. You get the feeling of repeating the same thing after a while in online casinos but meta casinos will always keep you alive and the desire to play will never end. If the metaverse is not used correctly the damage it will cause will be great. Adapting social life to hours spent in front of the screen will condemn us to loneliness.

They are not going to release source code, Alibaba will not need those codes. All VR sets will work on meta as long as they can connect to the internet. It's the same as phones or VR sets created by the Japanese or Germans, it can access to the internet or Meta of China.

If Meta is the future, these phone companies like Samsung and Apple will start producing VR sets also for businesses to grow.

The video and the explanation on how this China's version of meta verse is awesome and very futuristic, it detailed what we all want in the future to be, a great explanation from the publisher he also mentioned that a lot of these meta verse products are going to be launch in 2023, just a few months to go, it's going to be exciting if what all those mentioned on that video becomes a real product, 2023 onwards is going to be a battle of the metaverse, I wonder what will be Zuckerberg's and other industrial world answers to China's version of the metaverse.

I think Chinese businesses have nothing special to add some unique status to metaverse projects. Anyways most of metaverse projects right now are cheap copy of video games with some random Blockchain interaction/integration. Noone truly develops something to feel like whole new world. AliExpress may only copy Meta (Facebook) with it. I think Meta will create the most ambitious Metaverse project ever.

And that is exactly what it should worry us, our technology is advancing at such a speed that we are having problems adjusting our behaviors to use that technology in a responsible manner.

Without a doubt the metaverse is going to become incredibly successful, but we need to wonder what kind of cost this new technology is going to have in terms of our development as human beings? After all, we can see that smart phones are already having a huge effect on the development of people and it is to be expected that the metaverse has an even greater effect on them.

Metaverse is a Entertainment place by virtual reality . if gamble sites choice Metaverse technology and build a meta casinos then it will give a reality casinos experience and it will attract more gambles specially young people will attract much more on this. On the one hand this is a good thing on the other hand it will further spoil the youth

On the other hand, information spread fast and widely all over the world, and what the youth would do in reaction to the information they got with the technology was unimaginable 25 years ago. Today we are almost disconnected from nature. I visited a swimming class the other day, non of those kids had ever tried swimming in rivers but everyone started staring at their phones during class break.

With Metaverse like what Alibaba is doing, it's far more advance. I can compare this to the movie MUTE on Netflix, that's what might just happen I imagine seeing someone just standing using a Contact Lense on thier eyes as a device for the meta.

But there is no warranty Facebook/Meta will allow other brands to be able to access their metaverse, if no company releases their metaverse for other companies to join with their VR sets, then it is more likely that the public interested in Metaverses will get diluted in dozens of these virtual worlds developed by different companies, fighting one another, this time it is not only about selling software but hardware as well, it seems.

Also, I believe Google, Tencent or even Microsoft have more chances to develop a proper Metaverse than Facebook/Meta, because this day Meta/Fabook has been burning a lot of money with their Metaverse project with very lackluster results, imo.

I have little doubt about that the Chinese meta version because they don't show much interest in crypto related things but  it is true that they have to work on it in the future so I think if their meta version projects run successfully then I think meta casino will play a unique role in the crypto currency world. 

its not up to China to forbid the businesses in metaverse to not accept BTC. what they are just creating are virtual representation of the buildings and organizations. not the actual business who are going to decide what to accept or not. but most probably, the China's CBDC is by default.

Perhaps it will still be in the experiment phase, we all know how their government is though, so for sure they are looking at how to take advantage of the whole metaverse right now and see how it will benefit their population. So I don't expect crypto related things in the beginning.

On the contrary, it is the businessman who are looking at the option now.


https://www.china-briefing.com/news/metaverse-in-china-trends/

And so whether they will implement crypto, or their CBCD remain to bee seen.

sometime china banned bitcoin so they cannot accept btc on there meta casino but they can add another payment method like cradit/debit card. payoneer, skrill or chinese digital currency it is not very hard for them. but in my thinking if they build a meta casino then it will give real casino experience

Well, we already know that land is being sold in the metaverse, it is very likely that Chinese casinos take metaverse games into consideration and want these games, this is where I say that many things can be done with the Polygon network, that for many it will be the network of the metaverses, of course taking into account that there is a lot at stake, not only Chinese casinos will take technology into account, it should not surprise us that Stake.com, bitcasino.io among others participated and will continue to be the better, so when the metaverses are released do not be surprised by all those details, of course it is what is most likely.


In fact for me that is the solution, now I wonder something, and that can be very interesting, based on the fact that the rules of the metaverses escape many regulations, and obviously those regulations here in the metaverse will not be complied with, I think that many casinos they would have a lot of attention, clients and a lot of demand if they decide to put Monero as the currency of action for any game, because I am sure that many people will migrate here so that they can do things that they cannot do in the real world, and obviously if a metaverse grants them that privacy and anonymity, is the best outlet they can give and offer, in fact they would be going over many things, I don't know if there will be a casino that has those tricks to do it.

I believe it is more likely Chinese Metaverses will be asked by the Chinese Communist party to implement the digital Yuan as a currency of choice for their built-in services or gambling, gaming, payment processors, etc. It would make sense, since we all know Chinese government is not in favor of their citizens having access to decentralized currencies or even strong cryptography. In that order of ideas, while the ideal metaverses would be about each user safely managing their identity, assets and NFTs, the Metaverses made in China would have the peculiarity of having the government holding cryptographic master keys to retrieve NFts, digital yuans and ban anyone if they deem it necessary and of course anything made on the Metaverse would have an impact over the real life social score.

Casinos will be an indirect branch of the CCP.

Well clearly the Chinese have their own version of the metaverse, it is that they could not stay behind in their market, clearly Mark Zuckerber has done many things since he wants to be part of a totally digital world, he wanted to venture with his own crypto but his project it is much more ambitious, it is taking advantage of generating a lot of land for the metverse and I think it is something that is very well managed and created, under its rules and that everyone can adapt to, for me the Chinese metaverse is on another level, the only way that can give you competition is that your land can be cheaper or, failing that, be free.

The truth in all this, nothing that has to do with governments and policies of government entities should enter, because the metaverse is free and should always be like that, however it is how you say it, the Digital Yuan will put it there whether they want it or not want, and be careful if also the Ruble, for me these things are going to be taken by them to have even more control, I hope that in the metaverses there are not so many demands from the KYC, in the same way they will see that the Chinese government will do everything possible so that the Chinese Yuan also arrives at the world level, and since there are so many rumors that there may be a world crash in the economy, that scenario may occur.

Me too. Remember that if metaverse was still an experimental right now. I will not expect a huge thing from metaverse. The metaverse project have only a few users that actively interactiing in the site. im feeling doubt if that's gonna be happening. I meant we must also try to take a look at the metaverse that exist in the crypto. that's why it's still too good to be true to see that happens. Im feeling doubt about that. It may be another gimmick,
China is not preventing the tech development as long as it's not related with the crypto. it's related with gambling combined with the future tech

Everything is in the planning stage or stage until one company shows up the real model of this metaverse, any company or country can create a concept and show the world a prototype but until we see a real one with usability then that's the time that we can say that their version is a better one, the video looks good we'll see if what we all saw in that video is very much the same on the actual model, Chinese are good in imitation but not on originality.

One reason why China and even institutions around the world are not interested in crypto is because of the lack of regulations. The government is taking too long to establish a clear regulation while the government agencies are having a turf war on which of them will regulate crypto.

But the metaverse itself is not something regulate since this is not a token but a virtual space for all to connect.

Just this weekend I read that the metaverse from Zuckerberg had only 38 active users at one point, which is an insanely low number for a 15bn USD project. Not sure if the is legit, I have no VR setup at home and don't want to check out any new social media platform from Zuckerberg. Among my friends and family nobody is interested in the Metaverse. If there are no active users than the project is doomed. For me the only way to get into VR and the Metaverse would be for gambling, but I don't think Zuckerberg will focus on gambling. That's a great opportunity for China, they have a much larger consumer market and if they can manage to integrate gambling successfully then it's going to be a big hit when more people use VR. The only issue I would have with Chinese meta casinos is that they like to restrict foreign currencies and might make using crypto currencies impossible.

The challenge for China in developing VR casinos is the gamblers who use them. we can see how online casinos with this technology will provide a different and better gambling experience. but what about the real market for VR users from the gambling sector?

that's what I thought. China has regulations regarding crypto. and a thriving casino there. I hope China will start to be more open with its technology and business developments. it will make the business they run grow by having a broad market.

Why do you think so? In China, even your health passport turns red (and bans you from all travel) if the government suspects you of going to a protest rally or the like. Why do you think that the Chinese version of the metaverse will be freer? With its actions in relation to cryptocurrencies, China has already shown that China and any decentralization and freedom are incompatible. Any Chinese product is censored garbage that can be used against you at any time. I will never use Chinese Metaverses or any other Web 3.0 products.

No government agency bother to look at Meta when Zuck was developing his facebook Meta. No SEC ever tried to look at it but when Zuck develop facebook coin SEC was threatened and issues about privacy were dug where he was summoned to the senate. But With Meta, he seems safe.

I guess it's the same with this Chinese metaverse.

And if most Chinese are not going to be allowed on that site, it is senseless to think that the news will help boost gambling. Generally I see China as a country denying itself of everything that has to do with modern luxury. It does not like and support cryptocurrency also. China is a country whose citizens live in modern slavery.

What I am thinking is that if majority of Chinese is being denied by this digital advancement,
other progressive countries will find this useful to their citizens, especially those who don't want to get out of their homes.
People are favoring the in-house entertainment because of this pandemic.
So it is easy to market it to other countries which are not very strict with online gambling.
In the future, I think, metaverse will be the new way of life of some people as they embrace this digital age.

China government banned all technology that come outside their country, they  want developt anything by their own , google and another famous company were baneed there meanwhile China was great and potential market for every products. Gambling that Will bring much disadvantages of course Will banned too.

The Chinese "metaverse", whatever it is concocted to be will most definitely not be welcoming casinos or they will not be tolerated for very long. All gambling in China is restricted to one small area called Macau and it is a vice that is shunned by the ruling communist party. They will prevent any gambling on such a platform so we'll have to wait until something similar is setup in a less restrictive country before seeing this. Even if they were to allow it, their rules are so erratic and randomly made up that companies tend to avoid anything that might be prosecuted by the CCCP at a later date - it can bring heavy fines and jail time for anyone deemed to have crossed imaginary lines.

I personally believe that is unlikely the Russian Ruble would appear within the Chinese Metaverses o Metaverse. I don't see Russia handing over the control or authorization to China to commerce with their currency to that level, Russia does not have that infrastructure, China does.

Also, since the Metaverse in general is being marketed as something more than a MMORPG like several games we have seen since the 2000s, I expect both western and eastern Metaverses to ask for KYC, because it is not about having fun in a video game anyone, it is about the integration of virtual reality into tasks like shopping, learning, working, etc. In that sense, those activities obviously require full KYC to function.

To add to what other users might have said concerning the difference in this two, below are image explanations which I think will help you and every one else understand better the difference between Virtual reality(VR) and Augmented reality(AR).

Virtual Reality(VR)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/16/Ehcz3.jpeg

Augmented Reality(AR)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/16/Ehhhw.jpeg

I hope the images explain better to you and every one else.

They didn't impose a ban on crypto because it's not good on their economy. They've banned it because they want to ban it and that's how communist country works.

It can just control everything including their people's lives not just the assets that they have. Although, if there are ideas that seems to be good for everybody like Metaverse or what OP has started as a topic, still, they can only choose what they want for their people.

In textual explanation, here is the difference between the two:

• VR creates an immersive virtual environment, while AR augments a real-world scene.
• VR is 75 percent virtual, while AR is only 25 percent virtual.
• VR requires a headset device, while AR does not.
• VR users move in a completely fictional world, while AR users are in contact with the real world.
• AR requires higher bandwidth than VR.
• AR is intended to enhance the virtual world and the real world. VR replaces the real world with a fictional reality, which is primarily intended to enhance games.

source: https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/augmented-reality-ar-vs-virtual-reality-vr/#:~:text=VR%20creates%20an%20immersive%20virtual,contact%20with%20the%20real%20world.

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Regardless of China's stance on cryptocurrency, if this kind of metaverse is created, I believe it will be a huge boost to the industry.  It is good to see projects that aren't half-baked or done in haste.

It is going to be interesting to see how things evolve from now own, the pandemic brought a huge change in the way people behave and people now prefer to spend time indoors, and when we add all of this upcoming technology then I think this tendency is going to accelerate, however we also need to think about the future, this tendency could get dangerous as there are less and less people interacting directly and instead they are using their smartphones to do so, so maybe in the future we will need technology to encourage people to go outside and to not remain at their homes for long periods of time.

^^ Yes, and although we have VR already, I think Metaverse was born out of the pandemic, as we don't need to interact physically that time. But since we are back in the "norm" already, who knows, maybe the whole Metaverse will just be like the VR and AR today, not that much hype.

And we have online casinos already that we can go anytime we want to play. And so it begs me to question if we still need the metaverse version of it, just saying.

Are you really that out of touch with reality? Have you ever heard about the fact that in China the Internet is very much cut off from the "external" Internet, many social networks such as Facebook are banned, and the Chinese messenger WeChat has direct message censorship? There is no chance that in the presence of such totalitarian censorship and control, such a product will appear in which they do not exist.

Chinese has been a leader in all the technologies which are being developed these days and i am sure they will lead the metaverse too. Do not think that china often ban crypto currencies and they may not be showing interest in Meta Verse. I believe that the Chinese metaverse will be adopted by everyone around the world.



There is no way to know how the real Meta Verse will look like ? 

Virtual reality is used for some time now but i don't think meta verse is an extended version of VR. It is something new and something different. I can't imagine how one will feel while being in a meta verse world. Also, Metaverse will not be something static, it will keep on reforming with time.

Consider TikTok. Once they see it will benefit all, they'd open it to everyone. Consider 5G, it's China's space but they let everyone use it.
These are Chinese products same to the Metaverse they plan. Too bad if we can't access it since Zuck's Meta spends $15B with no companies backing it.

Censorship is everywhere actually. PRC bans apps but the Chinese can use facebook same as Wechat which anyone can use too but don't look for something that Baidu considers to be unnecessary like searching for nude images there. We can find it on google.com.

The government bans BTC mining, but it doesn't stop the Chinese from mining though.
Gambling is banned too. But hey Hongkong is just a few miles away. There's also Singapore and Macau. The PRC knows if you want it, you can find a way.

There are metaverse projects which are still on their planning phase and they haven't released the product on public while there are some who are already out but they still continue to develop like on what is seen on their roadmap.

For meta, formerly known as facebook I think they are still on their planning stage but they already change their name and that is meta. There's a video of them which shows their concept of metaverse and people laugh at it because the graphics looks childish and looks like it was being drawn by a kid but there is always a room for improvement. Maybe they will only shock us once the true model comes out.

we all saw the video, users mocked it. they are still in planning stage just forgive it. its not a well timed development because Facebook's meta at the earliest phase encounters lots of hinder to go on since U.S. regulators are suing them and determined to succeed.

This is really interesting information, I really think Facebook as a company has stagnated and Zuckerberg is looking for new ways to make his company grow, and this is why he is putting so much weight behind the metaverse as he wants to build yet another monopoly, so I find interesting that finally some kind of limit is being put in his ambitions, but even then I do not think it is going to be enough to stop him as he seems to be determined to make the metaverse a reality.

If it is a way of seeing things with more realism, however, I believe that the Chinese have gone through many stages of their lives that have marked them as fighters, they have been in wars and in very difficult situations, it would be very nice if they left intimidate so much by a government where in these times the least that should be allowed is that they brainwash people to put ideas focused on politics that lead them nowhere, these things are the ones that have to wake up, and the Chinese sn People who love to have their money and take great care of it, I don't think they will say No to money, much less if they see that they can earn a lot.

Well it seems that you have said everything in very short words, and I also think the same, and it is that Mark has had the intention of benefiting from the Crypto market, it is not crazy what he tried to launch some time ago, between 2019 and 2020 his own cryptocurrency, but I remember very well that one of the countries that made a lot of war was China, because they said it was a copy of their currency, and this caused some problems and many things that Mark could not get ahead with his cryptocurrency, at that time it was going to be called "Libra", then the pandemic came from there and everything we have been living through over these years, which is something very bad, but through the metaverses, it is very likely I can implement something simlar.