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You may hate me for this speech but to my mind, patriotism is bluff! I live in Germany and Ukrainian "refugees" who came here, those who are rich and wealthy, party all the time, you can't even notice here that there is a war between Russia and Ukraine.
So, I was thinking about the soldiers and men who stayed in Ukraine and are fighting against the Russians.
For what? Ukraine is one of the most corrupted country. Rich and wealthy people, business owners and corruptionists and their children and family members will not war, they will get a business class ticket and leave the country with their wealth, they'll continue their comfortable life and they won't feel the negative effect of war, they won't die in this war.
After a little time, this war will end and you know what? You will be dead, people in the government will negotiate with a happy smile on their face, shake their hands and continue good life. When you are in war, you are protecting business owners, criminals, people in governments, rich, wealthy people while you are poor and dying for nothing.
At the end of the day, if you survive, you'll lose a leg or hand but get medal that has no meaning if you have to continue your life in pain with physical disabilities.

My point is that you should only fight and protect your family members and close friends, not others. It's really pitiful when I see some part of Ukrainians are fighting for these wealthy morons who got shelter here and in some other countries and go to the beach, don't miss a parties while their brothers are fighting.

They love to glorify Ukraine with the shit in Hotels.
https://pravdoryb.info/upload/editor/image/0506202233.jpg

Are you sure that they only "party all the time"? People can't spend all days in sad mood. You're helping through donates and maybe volunteer work, then you go to chill a little. This is how it's going.

But anyway, there really a lot of people who used this terrible war to emigrate to the EU.


Wrong. I know a lot of businessmans who are at war now (not oligarphs, but owners of small and medium business). And a lot of wealthy people staying here. Some of them with their families.


Man, tell me for honest: You are using your grandfathers propaganda letters?  

https://i.imgur.com/a7FFGhxl.jpg



Yep. Most of ukrainians fighting for their families, or for the reasons that russian soldiers couldn't come to their homes. Again, because they're not rich to flee if it will be needed. Fight or die.


You can punch such people in the face in your Germany.

Ukrainians are fighting for their country, which happens to have all sorts of people, welcome to the real world.

People are fighting for their country and their future freedom because they do not wish to be ruled from Moscow by a despotic psychopath. It does not get any clearer than this. It is actually the RF young people who are trying to avoid the draft because they, logically, do not trust Putin's intentions and they know may end in the front fighting in a war they do not believe in on behalf of the kleptocrats of Moscow so that they can buy a bigger yatch while he awaits in the trenches hoping that the next shell does not have his name written on it.

You present an image of Ukraine that is completely biased, not to mention that corruption, kleptocracy, prevarication, xenophobia and gay-phobia are the trademarks of Aldolf Putin's government and the system of the RF.

You should ask yourself why should anyone allow Moscow to decide their fate and their lives. At least if you have independence you have a chance to change things. Falling under Putin's thumb kills any chance of economic development and political growth.

How do you explain the 5-hour lines to get Russian citizenship in the "occupied territories"?

Knowing the cynicism of Russian "authorities", they probably tied the citizenship to something essential, like getting pension payments or humanitarian assistance.

Have you been watching again the official media and TV comfort juice?

Propaganda? Poor ability to deliver public services from Adolf Putin's government? A promise not being deported if they ask for it?

But the real answer is in your own question - Occupied Territories (without any quotes). Occupied means that people in there may be forced to do things they may not want to do (e.g. getting a passport to travel or else forced to remain in a war zone).

Even DW reported that.
https://www.dw.com/ru/v-hersone-i-zaporozhe-nachali-vydavat-rossijskie-pasporta/a-61982997

and the shit page published
https://www.svoboda.org/a/putin-uprostil-poluchenie-grazhdanstva-rf-dlya-zhiteley-dvuh-oblastey-ukrainy/31867129.html

Except it doesn't say anything about "5-hour lines".

70000 peoples have applied to RF citizenship.
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2022/06/11/926179-rossiiskie-pasporta

KERSON, June 21. /TASS/. The queue for Russian citizenship in Kherson, where the region's first office for receiving documents operates, is about 9,000 people, the head of the region's military-civil administration, Vladimir Saldo, told reporters on Tuesday.

"In Kherson in the first office the depth of the queue is already under 9 thousand people. The process is going very well. People are doing it with joy and inspiration," Saldo said.

On Tuesday in the Kherson region a second office for the receipt of documents for Russian citizenship was opened - in Novaya Kakhovka. Saldo specified that authorities of the region intend to open 10 more points of reception of documents - in particular, in Skadovsk, Genichensk, Gola Prista. To do this, they have already begun to train future employees from among the local residents.
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14985199?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

Melitopol, Line for the RF citizenship, video on the page
https://iz.ru/1343128/2022-06-01/v-zaporozhe-pokazali-ocheredi-na-podachu-dokumentov-na-rossiiskoe-grazhdanstvo

Check the video on the page, lines for the Russian Sim cards.
https://crimea-news.com/society/2022/05/31/928875.html

There you go, bona fide copypasta from Kremlin propaganda sites. I knew you could do it, comrade.


Not quite the same as passports but don't let minor details like that stop you from lying to us.

Even worse: As we know, they giving food for it. Most of people in this "5-hour lines" as we can see from russia tv are old 50+ people. Some of them of course pro-russian (the older you are, the more ressentiment for russia you have) but there even more old people who just want to not starve.

I have few contacts in occupied Melitipol. They tells that if you want to do something good for people (buy them food or meds) you need to cooperate with russian occupation administration. Without it they'll not allow to do any of this kind of stuff.
Russians tries to cover as much ordinary people as they can. Or you re looking at starving oldies, or you helping them, but from now you tied with russian occupation forces.
This is typical "gang/mafia" behavior: They'll not allow you to get out if something bad will happen

You cannot get a SIM card without a Russian passport, so these processes are closely interrelated.

There is another nice bonus from obtaining Russian citizenship - zeroing out debts on all loans. For many Ukrainians, this turns out to be a good incentive to change citizenship.

Where did you get such accurate information?
Did you make it up and pass it off as truth?

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Such a free to share information site as YouTube has banned all news channels from Russia, so there are videos about citizenship not about all cities.

As I pointed out on DW and Freedom report on the process.

So I do not understand, if such a queue for the Russian SIM cards, and they all already have Russian citizenship, how many people have asked him, do you think?

Foreigners wrote that only 50 wanted citizenship. And our Ukrainian writer reports that without citizenship they don't give food.
So they've all been dying there without food for like two months?

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Write directly for our foreign friends how many wanted citizenship - 70 thousand, as shown on Russian TV, or only 50 people, as DW wrote about it.
And who is keeping the audience for fools.

I saw posts about this on the net, but now I double-checked and it seems that this is not true. Apparently, you can buy a SIM card with a Russian number +7 (of an unknown operator, it looks like a Crimean T-mobile) and with a Ukrainian passport.

The news for me is only 50.000 (if that is true) of all the nearly 300.000 people in the city alone, without counting all the occupied areas have requested it.

Again, you are trying to prove that people in Kherson support the invasion and are happy to be annexed, but again, the territory is under military occupation. People can be easily forced to use Rouble, require passports and probably dancing naked with the RF flag if they have a gun pointing to their heads or if they are denied medical, administrative or other civil services if they do not have an RF issued "passport".

As for the RF SIM cards, same case, if you cut-off the Ukrainian connexion, people are forced into RF SIMs.

This is an attempt at cultural assimilation and even worse, trying to make it look as genuine support to justify the war of aggression. Anyone minimally critical cannot buy this shit, leave it for the official media.

As far as I know, the Ukrainian bombing of Donetsk has not made the Russians there dance with Ukrainian flags since 2014.

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There was a Ukrainian writer who said something about citizenship.
Ask him if 70,000 is true or not.

I'm not propagandist, i cannot say this is true or not. Despite the fact that I'm highly doubt that even if this is true (this is ultra small prob, if we consider that russian always overestimated such numbers in their favour), all this 70k of people want this passport because of their own will.

i think that people like this exist in every country, not only in ukraine.. but when talking about ukraine people in majority, most of them are very nationalist and willing to fight against their country and they are real ukrainians

The last thing foreigners don't understand is that Russians give Russians passports. Foreigners are not even informed about the fact that these regions were forced to not even have Ukrainian TV and newspapers in Russian.

Some people get it so they can get out of there through Crimea, to Russia, then to Georgia, Kazhastan, Turkey, etc.

I think all people without Ukrainian citizenship will be deported out of there once the Ukrainian army goes into a counterattack and reclaims these territories.

Now, Russian citizens need visas to be on the territory of Ukraine.

Show me someone crazy enough to go there.
Only for family reasons.
Keep in mind that millions of Ukrainians live in the Russian Federation and don't think about leaving the bloody regime.

Thousands of Russians came to Crimea, Donbas, and other occupied territories. They do not have visas and will be deported.

Are you on mushrooms or just a fantasist?
You can see every day how Russians are deported from Crimea.

Are you serious man? They can't spend all days in sad mood? And don't you give a fuck when your brothers and fathers are in a terrible war? Instead of partying and having sex via tinder, it would be better to instead of partying, send that money in Ukraine, buy and send food, first aids, other resources that they need but instead you are partying on the beach, fuck, that's not my mentality. Some ukrainians are partying and then they blame Europe and USA for not directly participating in this war.
At the end, if I am Ukrainian in war and I fight but morons party all the time and live a wonderful life, fuck that war, I would only protect my family members, not others.

Yes, people are moving in Ukraine, getting Ukrainian passports and moving to Poland, Ireland and other European countries.

The problem is that people follow rules so strictly that they sacrifice themselves for wealthy families, businessmen and companies.

I was just thinking about fines: billionaire, millionaire and average joe get the same fine if they abandon road rules but average joe gets in trouble because he has to work harder to pay that fine and it makes him nervous, adds stress but millionare and billionaire pay fine, then repeat again and don't give a fuck if you wish.

Russian patriotism towards Ukraine is great. Russia is patriotically trying to remove a NAZI government that has usurped authority over their friends and compatriots, the Ukrainian people.

Oh sure. Some Ukrainians and Russians don't understand it this way. But many Ukrainians welcome what Russia is trying to do. The standard media lies about this.

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OP, I don't like to generalize about all people from some cases. Yes, many people run away from Ukraine, including rich ones and now they continue their happy life in EU like there is no war. But insert any other random country in place of Ukraine and you will have same situation. I think that if you would ask soldier who are in front lines, they will tell you that they're not fighting for government, oligarchs, celebrities and etc. They're fighting for their land, for their families, for their future.

LOL, 5 hours shounds impressive, but in article it's said that only 50 citizenship requests were received. Wow! And then you post link to some russian propaganda shit without any proofs about 70000 requests.

You can't just "get" a Ukrainian passport by moving to Ukraine. You have to apply for citizenship, which takes years.

Sure, apologize for not being more specific. I mean some people who got Ukrainian passports because of their spouse, etc and weren't giving a fuck their citizenship are now using it as an advantage. You can get UK citizenship and then reclaim your original citizenship in your country. This procedure is usually done by the citizens of post-soviet Union countries.

For the land that government owns? For the life where you lose a hand, leg and live on a minimum salary? Patriotism is truly killed today and not even appreciated.

I don't understand what's the motive of Russian soldiers who are in a war against Ukraine for no reason while their wives are banged at home by random dudes at their home in their bed :D

What does your democratic press have to say on the subject? Do they even open their mouths?


Contractors get paid and do what is required by the circumstances.

Those with fathers and brothers at war don't party. I know a lot of such people from my close circle.
So, those who party don't have any relatives directly at war.


yeap, so what we're doing. But you can't protect your family without fighting russians at the battlefield.


I doubt that there significant amount of such cases. It's very hard to get ukrainian citizenship even with ukrainian spouse. It's not Israel case, anyway.


Maybe in Germany yes, but in Ukraine it's different at the moment. As we say, "you're not a 100 dollars, you can't be loved by all around". But most of ukrainians value our soldiers.


Because this is nation of slaves. After Imperial times, after USSR, after putin's era they can't not obey direct orders from higher up.

You found the problem and the answer. People act like robots and follow orders without analyzing them. If the orders are more important than personal fate and the fact that their wives spend nights with other men, then I'm done here.

If Russians don't understand that you shouldn't follow oligarchs and Putin's orders, then your society will always be failed society. Look, everyone hates Russia and probably Russians, is this the outcome that you wanted? Putin owns the whole country and every single citizen, understand this.
Do you guys really think that Russia is always the victim? Your country is corrupt as fuck. Does it raise a question for you that not even a single billionaire tried to be in opposite of Putin? Is it okay and acceptable without question that Navalny is in Prison? I still think whether he is actually a martyr or Putin's puppet but we know the overall image.

Does Putin plan to make conscription? Wonder if people from Moscow and Saints Peterburg are going to fight for their Putin's country and goals.

What does Shariy in Spain? And why is his party banned in Ukraine?

War is a very sad thing to happen to any nation and the sad truth is, these things happens. A lot of treaties are been put in place to prevent these wars and yet they still occur, its that sad!

Speaking of corruption, I wonder; is there any nation in our world today where these corrupt men or practices doesn't exist? They are everywhere and they all behave the same. Its just the way it is and you & I can't change that, we could only try!
Yeah, they might be partying and all but, this could also be another way to suppress depression and the many pressures they might be going through in there lives. It's not entirely easy living in another man's country!

Are you sure they aren't doing just that! People war because of what they believe in, true patriotism! To make a better place for them friends, family members, neighbours and unborn kids. Russians and Ukrainians alike and its a just course for them both. That's why neither have abandoned the war and am sure both nations are eager to end this if they could find a peaceful accord.

I hope peace returns to them both @Rissia and Ukraine. The war is taking a lot from both nations nations sincerely, both of them are victims!

Citizenship by marriage still takes years to get. Dual citizenship is not allowed so if anyone is "reclaiming", they'd have to forfeit their other citizenship... for what, to move from the UK to Germany? Why? Looks like you made a straw man and didn't really think it through.

Russians are so patriotic towards Ukrainians that they have liberated cities in the Luhansk Oblast of Ukraine.


What did they liberate them from? The Ukraine NAZI government.


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