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The majority of investors and traders are increasingly understanding crypto fundamentals before investing, is there any crypto that moves itself according to its fundamentals both now and in the future?

Nope.

Any crypto-asset using "BTC" as the pair trading, they always follow the main pair they're using for the trading asset. If you want trading without any volatility from crypto-market especially "BTC", you should try "Stable-coin" and playing on staking.

But the margin % profit would be really small. Also, you will fight against inflation from fiat since investment on stable-asset.

Where are you going to find that? Not in this space, oh yes you can start investing money in stocks, BTC is the reshaper of every crypto projects ever existed, if BTC isn't doing well other coins won't do so well either.

If you want to invest in an asset which is not influenced by bitcoin then you need to look at other markets because that is not something that you are going to find here, think about it, the market dominance of bitcoin is above 41%, and those are the official numbers, I would not be surprised that if we excluded centralized coins, stable coins and the fake market cap of many coins this number easily reached 70% or more.

This means that whenever bitcoin makes a move the rest of the coins move with it simply because bitcoin is that big, so if this is a situation you cannot tolerate any longer then it is better for you to look for assets in other markets in which you will be interested to invest.

Those kind of altcoin black swans happen once in a blue moon but for far btc is indicator of everything and i haven't found a new coin that is completely detached from bitcoin price movement. There have been some coins that have moved up in a btc bear market but good luck finding them.

Top coins move based on their development, they are not fully depended to Bitcoin, its just that the influence of Bitcoin in the market is big, and no matter how good the altcoins are fundamentally its value will still follow the trend of the whole market. I can’t see any coins/tokens that can move without Bitcoin basis, investors prefer the Bitcoin pair as well and that’s why every market trend, Bitcoin is the leader.

There is none.

All of the cryptos today will and always be dependent to BTC. But at least for the stable coins, they're all pegged to dollars if that's what you mean.

Well, as for that actual coin that won't be going along with bitcoin. There is really no type of coin that does that.

all crypto markets follow bitcoin in all price movements and this is a certainty that cannot be contested except for shitcoins which sometimes run in a reverse direction from bitcoin but that is only for a moment, how much effort is a crypto developer to make a move for the fundamental coin but the influence of the bitcoin market remains a market reference in reality

I wish we have, but we can't find one coin, majority of the coins here are traded on Bitcoin pairs, although there are times that some coins are performing better when Bitcoin is dipping it's very rare, you can try stable coins, some traders are trading it on the stable coin when the market is dipping, but the profit is not something you're looking and hoping to have and we all know Stable coins do not have a perfect mechanism, look at what happen to Terra Luna.

I agree that anything goes up and down usually does it with bitcoin and I doubt it would make any change anytime soon. Stablecoins are not for investment, I mean if you live in a horrible nation with a terrible fiat, then you can use "dollar" as a leverage against that which I have done plenty of times and stablecoins could work out for that. But that wouldn't be a crypto investment, there is a reason why they are called stablecoins and not cryptocurrency. Hence, if we want to technically speak about this issue, there isn't a single "cryptocurrency" that would be independent from bitcoin. There could be moments when they act independently, move up  and down without bitcoin doing anything, but that would be moments and not in general and it wouldn't be sustainable at all.

I don't think there is one, specially how Bitcoin has grow in the last 10 years. Altcoins has been traded on bitcoin and being the prime mover, everyone is depended on it, just look at trading pair, it's all being traded against bitcoin price.

Sure maybe you can find one, but that's going to be a simple pump and dump altcoin. And it's good though that altcoin depended on bitcoin, otherwise, they will die if they are going to be stand-alone cryptos.

If you want to identify the crypto currency which doesn’t depend on the price.Their is one suggestion for you,you can check the coins which is green for few days.From the point the bitcoin must be at red,if so you may get few coins which rotate anti-clockwise directions to bitcoin.Then you can inverse in the coin which increases in value,when the bitcoin price reduced.

Hehe how do you know this? I personally think that most people who "invest" are made up of beginners and that's particularly true during a bull run. They're easily influenced by rising prices and buy out of FOMO. Those you mention as having better understanding of fundamentals are those who got rekt.

There have been altcoins that outperformed BTC in terms of fiat but that's not enough to say they no longer depend on the bitcoin price.

The only coin that used by gamble which was sometime increasing a lot without tried to see the bitcoin chart. I meant scam token like ustc and its ecosystem were increasing a lot due to the some rumours about the burn. Remember prometheus were also following it as well. This pump is actually triggering by something in the crypto. I can't say what it is but i do believe if the pump is causing by something. To be honest even these days fundamental didn't matter a lot.
The pump will always come to the coin that has been getting a huge news to bet.

It's hard to find that these days. You must look at the market right now and you will aware how market is being dumped even harder from time to the another time. bitcoin is the main reason why market is dumping so hard right now. i can't deny the fact that if we will be facing a very difficult situation where bitcoin and whole of crypto market will be going down to the bottom again. The same thing that happened a few years ago may come back again sooner.
Any crypto is being affected by bitcoin and you will not able to find the one who can survive from the dump.

Probably yes. But most often they are tied up with btc movement. But you can try to search some tokens that doenst have any pairing on btc exchange or ties with it. Usually those coins are paired only with usdt or being used on dex with another liquidity. Anything with btc pairing would likely be affected as thr value of btc changes drastically so means pulling downward too those tokens and coins.

It could be possible to get a coin whose pair is not with btc, but that would be detrimental to the project. Most projects prefer to pair with btc because it gives them wider trading opportunities and by extension the trading volume of the coin would increase. Though this could come at a cost, but from my understanding the benefit out ways the costs.

There should be some crypto that has lower correlation or probably has negative correlation compared to BTC, but it depends on the time frame as well. Cryptocurrencies actually not depend on the BTC, but it has the same market risk or systemic risk. Therefore, it seems that when the BTC is down; the rest is also down. Stable coin is one of the example of coins that have different risk.

If the bearish market is happening like this time and how strong fundamental of project didn't matter a lot. I meant if you shall aware about that if the fact that if everything in the crypto market is tied to the bitcoin except the scam tokens and short term hype pump that caused by a rumour and news. It's very difficult to pick the best coin that didn't tied with bitcoin. Bitcoin down and everything goes down. Can you predict which coin that will be pumped like numeraire? i guess that's almost impossible to predict it.
Even coin without pair with bitcoin can also be affected

Stablecoin does  ;D  but there is no profit to be made there since their value is pegged to a dollar.  Sometimes trend in the top 10 seems to be independent but then when we think they had break-away from Bitcoin's grasp, things happen.  They follow the Bitcoin trend again.   So basically, all altcoins are being influenced by the Bitcoin market.  If any altcoin breaks away from the Bitcoin trend, it is only temporary and will be back on track when its market hype diminishes.

there is no cryptoqurrency that doesn't depend on bitcoin. all cryptocurrencies depend on bitcoin fundamentals rising. even including the top altcoins like ethereum, binance or eos etc. So far, the price movements of altcoins always follow the rising trend of the Bitcoin base

From what we can see on both cmc and CG there is no such crrypto, well not that i know of. The majority or better yet the whole crypto react in accordance to btc price movement, when btc price is down especially in a serious bear market like this present one all other alts will follow, no exception. But if there is such crrypto out there i think many investors will be interested.

Whatever fundamental support the project has, it will steadily follow bitcoin. This is how the crypto market works, when bitcoin goes up, altcoins go up, bitcoin goes down, altcoins go down even more. Whether now or in the future, this is how the whole crypto industry will work, altcoins will follow bitcoin. Even bitcoin is closely correlated with traditional finance and follows the global economy.

Bitcoin has been transformed into a giant and ruler of the Crypto market, every shock will be very influential on other altcoins. Until now I have not seen the trend change, but sometimes there are also those who fight the BTC trend but it is very rare and is temporary

I've always believed that all altcoin were tied to Bitcoin as the value of Bitcoin tends to determine the value of most altcoin, but it's nice to know that some projects could choose to pair their coin with a stable coin to influence the value and prevent the influence of Bitcoin on them, this sounds like a good idea as the coins value would have limited fluctuations.

I'm sure you won't find any coin you're looking for as the entire altcoin market depends on the movement of bitcoin. Sometimes there are some altcoins that have gone against the trend of bitcoin like when bitcoin goes down they will rise but most of that is temporary and then they will go back to the trend bitcoin created before . It's simply a momentary pumping action created by the sharks.

Now that the cryptocurrency market is very huge and more coins are entering the market every time. And everyone wants to see how his coin develops and brings huge profits. But unfortunately, the crypto market is playing its game and many simply lose their funds in the search for promising coins. And now we can say one thing that bitcoin is a coin on which all other coins depend. And it is a fact that bitcoin will always have its own game in the crypto industry market.

Most altcoins rely on the value and movement of Bitcoin that's also the reason why it's known to be the father of all cryptocurrencies. Altcoins will always follow the price of Bitcoin because it's the most trusted coin in the crypto world. All cryptocurrencies are Bitcoin-dependent and if you can find coins that don't follow BTC, you better check their reputation.

As many have stated definitely there is no coin that goes against btc trend, but if you want a coin that's isn't volatile then try staking USDT I guess even though the APY might be small but at least it's doesn't get influenced by btc as much in term of APY.
also, meme coin despite already said that it could go against the trend, big chance it gonna returns back in no value at no time so forget investing in meme coins.
though at the time like this it's just better to wait the trend subsides and then invest.

There is hardly any cryptocurrencies or token that didn't follow bitcoin market movement, even if they truly don't, most likely it only has less correlation than the others. But as a whole, most cryptocurrencies follow bitcoin market sentiment. I doubt there are some cryptocurrency that exists on their own market fundamental, if you found one, I'm not surprised if it is either a shitcoins or the brand new one that truly has a major advantage over bitcoin.

It is very difficult to find crypto that does not depend on bitcoin all the average coin always follows the flow of bitcoin, including potential coins then never expect for now it will find a coin that can reach a new ATH due to the state of the market that is declining so all coins are falling in price and the decline that is happening is also very large so it takes patience in dealing with the current situation.

I hope it was clear to you that altcoins, any project created after Bitcoin relying upon Bitcoin, and such influence can't be changed. Once Bitcoin drops as we have now, altcoins are there to follow and even they are at the worse scenario. You will just fail to look at them as the market has been designed with that kind of behavior that is why investors are too keen on every development and market movement. In fact, many TA and these investors make their analyses based on Bitcoin's movements.

Basically bitcoin is the one that makes sure that crypto goes to a direction, that is how it works and as long as bitcoin exists it will stay like that forever. I believe that the best thing we could do right now is not to give up on bitcoin, and not go towards alts that try to move all own their own, they can't and anyone that claims they can will end up being a terrible one. Just focus on what you can do with bitcoin and anything related to it.

Any coin you buy, will be tied to the market very religiously, and that means if the market goes up then the price of that coin will go up as well, if the price goes down then that coin will go down too.

All cryptocurrencies rely on Bitcoin, That's true  BTC is the regenerator of every crypto project.One thing you will notice is that all coins have link to BTC.When the price of BTC goes down, the price of other coins starts going down.Bitcoin is the boss of all coins so cryptocurrency will not be possible without the boss.All crypto markets follow Bitcoin, so it will be difficult to find a cryptocurrency without Bitcoin.Although cryptocurrencies other than bitcoin can be found,then you will see that very few investors will invest there.Because people can't trust without bitcoin.Bitcoin is everyone's trusted coin.

Yes it would be very difficult to find such a coin, but if we did find one I would be a little unsure about it. Maybe in the future it will be possible to find such a thing, but it seems the chance is quite small. The influence of bitcoin will indeed continue to be felt for altcoins, be it old ones or emerging ones. So far bitcoin is still the center of the market movement.

It's absolutely hard and difficult to find an altcoin whose movement is independent of bitcoin, although some altcoin do pump occasionally defying the Price Action of bitcoin, but to find such a coin out of the numerous coins is difficult, once bitcoin dumps majorities of the altcoins followsuit thus making difficult to trade and invest on them, however the period of dumping is a very good opportunity to buy the well established and credible altcoins and hodl provided the investor is not after making 10X, 100X profits synonymous with pump and dump and highly risky altcoins.

To be honest, you will find none of the legit cryptos that don't depend on BTC. If you want that kind of crypto, in its own fundamentals outside of Bitcoin as well as the whole market, you should just buy stable coin.

Looking for a cryptocurrency that won't depend on Bitcoin is like looking for the impossibility. Or you will be dealing with a crypto coin or token enclosed to just a region or group of people within a geographical location. If the coin will be a public coin and invested into across the world, it will at this time bow to the market dominance by the Bitcoin. Bitcoin is like the sole regulator and determinant of the Cryptocurrency market situation and conditions.

I hardly have seen any coin that is independent of bitcoin in the market. It has always been bitcoin driving the market. Whenever bitcoin sneezes, all the coins shakes. Almost all altcoins follow bitcoin, even the inverse bitcoin which is expected to move opposite direction of bitcoin is still following bitcoin.
Bitcoin has the largest volume and price and the demand is higher because of its scarcity model. That is why it will continue to dominate and lead the market.

The whole crypto market is dominated with bitcoin, given that fact, it's hard to invest in such coins wherein bitcoin's position will not influenced it. Although stablecoins are always free from the manipulation of bitcoin, and they remain stable despite of the market volatility, but investing in it do not guarantee risk-free. So apparently, your choice will always reflect your amount of returns. Otherwise, don't invest in the crypto market if you want to stick for coins that don't have bitcoin significance.

Well, this has never happened so far. This has several reasons why altcoins will always depend on Bitcoin.
- First is about the trust in Bitcoin is mostly higher than in altcoins
- Trading pairs f every altcoin always existed on Bitcoin, so this will rely on the Bitcoin price, too.
- People look at this as "if Bitcoin as the best crypto is dropping, how can altcoins rise up because altcoins are always following Bitcoin

Like ryzaadit said, nope. You might still find some for a short time just like those tokens I held back in 2017 which are now dead coins these days.
Usually BTC is being paired by the many in trading that is why many of these altcoins if not all tend to follow the price of Bitcoin.
Sorry but that is just how the market works.

Many coins and tokens have good fundamentals, but so far I see everything still depends on BTC as The Father of Crypto. Every time there is a correction to BTC, all altcoins will react the same way, although sometimes there are those who go against the flow to rise sharply when the market trend is down. But I see it's more temporary

If you really want to see something getting independent a bit, look at ETH, that is the closest we could get right now.

Yes, it is not there yet, but it is getting there and it matters. We all seen how ethereum got very close to eth for a while, it was less than double marketcap for a while, which mean that with a 2x increase on ETH without btc moving, ETH would have been top ranked and after that flip happens who knows what the future would have been like. For that reason, I believe that we should be having a bit of trust on ETH for such a possibility. Outside of that, I do not think that any other coin out there could ever be independently moving for a long term.

You can find many crap projects that would rally daily if you are looking for that  :P. If you are still not aware that the entire market revolves around BTCitcoin then it is really hard to convince anyone otherwise  :D, entire market rallies in accordance to the BTCitcoin market and the entire market goes down in accordance with the BTCitcoin market and there is no other secret coin that would supersede those performance.

True, only ETH now has a chance to be a trendsetter and against BTC dominance. If every going alright when ETH 2.0 and PoS nodes are up and running, we would see the closest alt to upset again BTC. Even flip BTC out of its #1.

Stable coins are an exception as they are nothing but fiat in digital form, however they can hardly be called an investment when your purchasing power is going down since inflation is so high all over the world.

However when ethereum which is the second most powerful coin in this market is also subject to the movements of bitcoin, then I think it is a mistake to expect any coin to be free from bitcoin and its movements as its dominance over this market is almost absolute.

Bitcoin dominates the whole crypto market so whatever its price condition, it also affects and influence the whole coins in the crypto market. If you are looking for a coin that won't rely to bitcoin, it will certainly be a tough one because even meme coins and shitcoins are also affected with bitcoin. I guess what you are looking is out of the context, and its simply not existing.

I don't think their is any coin that moves itself currently, all coins depend on bitcoin movement and I believe it will continue like that for now but I don't really know anything that will happen in future. Any move bitcoin makes then it will determine what will happen to all coins, if bitcoin is dumping u believe it will be difficult to see any coin pumping and if bitcoin is pumping most coins are always following the uptrend.

In my opinion, such a thing will definitely not happen. In every sector and in every market, the firsts always lead and the market is always guided by the firsts. Bitcoin is one of the most important factors in the crypto money madness and the formation of a sector called crypto money. Even after years, it is not possible to get rid of bitcoin addiction because of this. Bitcoin transactions and movements will always continue to shape the market. According to me, the Bitcoin conviction will only end when Satoshi Nakamoto comes out and sells the bitcoins in his hand, otherwise it will not end in any way.

Crypto market doesn't exist without bitcoin. That include all cryptocurrencies, without exceptions. It happens because bitcoin is the most trusted and reputable crypto among all. When the market isn't confident regards bitcoin (price crashes), it will be the signal for them to become fearful about crypto investments as a whole, while when the market is bullish on bitcoin (price rises), altcoins in general will be also benefited by this movement.

Can you see the law of cause and effect in this situation? Bitcoin is always the cause and altcoins are the effect. And it will remain like this for a long time yet, until a new more advanced and unique technology is developed to replace bitcoin in every aspects, what can't happen through hype, that is the favorite leverage strategy of developers to boost their projects' importance and adoption, but without triumph on long run.

In my opinion, it is very difficult to find a coin that is not affected by Bitcoin, if it is, it would be considered a stable coin. ;D ;D

Bitcoin is still dominating the market, so you won't be able to see any altcoins move without looking at bitcoin. Regardless of whatever coin does that, it will only happen in the short term, and it can never be sustained, going against the trend of bitcoin is not the best course of action.

Haven't read anyone's answer that satisfied OP bad its because there is NONE.
Most well known coins are paired to BTC which basically makes them dependent to BTC price.  If they are not paired to BTC as well then they are not well known to traders but there are coins like what OP is looking for but less people trading it and most probably controlled by the team too.

I think this is something common to all cryptos (except maybe USDT) In fact sometimes when BTC and ETH are red not all crypto is red

But things like what you said will not always happen in the crypto market, have you seen the movement of shitcoins where one of them will show a green graph when the bitcoin price is down but if we observe it will only happen for a moment maybe because of the FOMO that occurs even after that the price of shitcoin will also fall again and exceed the percentage decline that occurred in the price of bitcoin, so I would say that so far there is no coin or token whose price movement is opposite to the price of bitcoin.

Not all but these tokens that got pumped so hard during the bearish market may be getting a big news from the development or listed on the new exchange site with huge popularity like coinbase or binance. I can't even deny the fact that some garbage shit scam tokens were also being pumped by the whales caused by the whales were manipulating the market to make small traders to speculate in the garbage tokens. So many possibilities can happen with the crypto exchange site these days

There are some coins which can occasionally move independently from bitcoin, however there is no coin that systematically do so, and it is not a mystery to understand why things are like this.

The dominance bitcoin has over this market is huge, it is also the best coin in the market, the coin which created this market and its original developer is admired by millions of people all around the world, so when we take into account all of this it is not difficult to see why no coin can move independently from bitcoin for long periods of time.

unfortunately there's none, it's just how big influence of btc in term of being a trend setter.
even coins like USDT and the likes could be losing its value despite being backed by real money if btc suddenly have some correction, that's just how strong the influence of btc, also most of the time, even if there is some coins that just recently becomes a trend, if btc suddenly have massive correction, they'd suddenly losing their momentum, like GMT that has lost its momentum right after the sudden occurrence of the correction.

Why are you looking for a crypto that doesn't depend on Bitcoin when you can just outrightly invest in Bitcoin that is trusted and and is a long term project, i am not trying to dissuade you in your apparent search, but i am afraid the chances you will find one is pretty low, you might also be directed to a particular coin that doesn't depend on Bitcoin, but in the end you become disillusioned and lose funds to another pump and dump/hype coin. Having said that, DYOR is very important, when you ask questions such as this, you might be misled or confused by the answers you'll receive, which could prove counter-productive in the end.

Unless it has some features that are listed in the exchanges where BTC  doesn't exist, if you can find such a place then it is possible for you to have that kind of coin but the thing is, you can't find any exchanges that aren't offering bitcoins for trade to another altcoin rather all of the exchanges are also relying on the price of bitcoins in the crypto market. volatility can be brutal sometimes but that's just how the crypto market is, without it, there can be no huge gain only strong investors will take the huge risk to earn a little. So we have this kind of market to make it balance and it's up to us to choose what altcoins to invest in aside from BTC.

I think the entire market depends on the movement of bitcoin, and there's no altcoin that can move the other way and will not follow the market sentiment. As long as people are investing, and trading, the market will remain volatile and since bitcoin is the strongest asset, it will always take the lead due to its high dominance ratio.

As of now, the dominant rate of bitcoin is high again, it's currently 42%, while the total altcoins have 58%.
https://coinmarketcap.com/

The future I don't know but currently, there is no coin for you like you are looking for, bitcoin is accounting for more than 400 billion capitalization, which is almost half of the total market capitalization. Therefore, Bitcoin is considered as the central authority that controls the entire movement of the cryptocurrency market.

If you still want to find a coin that goes against or doesn't depend on bitcoin, you can look to shitcoins, meme projects. They can be pumped and dump and don't follow the movement of bitcoin but with that kind of project they won't last long in the market.

That’s absolutely hard to find crypto coins that are not dependent on the future of bitcoin, because even shitcoins are. Even if they are hyped, they fall eventually when bitcoin price is falling. And when bitcoin is surging, all the crypto coins in the market are also influenced and they make positive prices along the way. I guess the fact that bitcoin is the future of the crypto market, everything in the market will be dependent on it.

The crypto market only revolves on the future of bitcoin, the rest are just insignificant to the crypto market. So if you want to invest in coins that don’t depend on bitcoin, then expect none. Invest in USD if you want to be free from the shadows of bitcoin, but never expect for huge profits that only bitcoin is able to. As long as it dominates the market, bitcoin will always determine the future of the coins in the crypto market.

You need a unique self-sustaining crypto that's in no way connected to Bitcoin. Just a mere mention of the words Cryptocurrency (assuming it was first used with Bitcoin) or Blockchain is enough to connect the junior cryptocurrencies to Bitcoin... that alone can make them dependent on Bitcoin.

Most of the time it is but there are several survives on bear market condition but its hard to spot since we cannot predict what will be the outcome of some coins on this season. But I guess its good for us to research more or see the whole market structure. There are platform which can help us to see the statistics of certain coins like CMC or Coingecko  and maybe we can get good insights on what coins are good to buy at the moment.

Will not happen, untill majority of exchange removing their alt-btc pair. Eventhough I could see that most of exchange has already many alt-fiat/stablecoin pairs, but still most of exchange has more alt-btc pair than the alt-fiat/coin. So when people want to cash out their crypto they will still need to exchange it to BTC first and then they can to Fiat then to their Bank, this is what makes the bitcoin price affect altcoin's.

There are projects that do not depend on the price of BTC. Token projects traded on AMMs like Uniswap and Spookyswap do not suffer from dumps in the price of BTC. This is because the market is controlled by Bots trading on centralized exchanges, not decentralized ones. You are safe if you invest in projects with no BTC trading pairs on centralized exchanges, like CNDL, ATRI, and 0xMR.

At the moment that's a clear no. There is no crypto currency out there, not even Ethereum which price is moving completely independent from the price of Bitcoin. So if there is a huge sell off of bitcoin because a whale is leaving the market then this will have an impact first on the price of Bitcoin but then also on the price of all the other coins and in most cases the altcoins are falling even more than in comparison to Bitcoin itself. That being said, Bitcoin is also not completely independent from the moves and happenings of other cryptos. Just look at the recent events around Terra Luna and it's collapse. It also took down the Bitcoin price.

You have to look into the fiat market and the forex markets. You will not find a single altcoin that is not traded in BTC. Because this is the crypto sector and because bitcoin has the biggest market cap and is historically oldest, it is used as the point of reference for the price of any altcoin. You can always use fiat for the same too, but it is not the standard.

Also because buying altcoins using fiat is less popular than buying with bitcoin, hence such trading pairs are also not seen - what is seen is the altcoin<>stablecoin pair.

To actually move a crypto on its own, it need development and that is seriously lacking in any altcoin being launched. They only run on the hype unlike the first few altcoins ever created.

This is hard to find and you can not rely on CMC for a daily basis chart because there are times Bitcoin moves up while others don't but it doesn't mean it is not going with the flow of Bitcoin. Could be a late update or for whatever reason, it is not moving yet.
If you want stability, go with stablecoins. That's all the choice I could think of.
For other coins, it mostly relies on the Bitcoin movement and it had been proven quite a lot of times and this bear moment is also an example of it.
Keep looking though, you might find it if you want it that bad.

wave 1 Crypto fundamentals:   Decentralized banking driven by engineers/engineering
wave 2 Crypto fundamentals:   Envious financiers bringing financial schemes from their world of centralized banking to the crypto world which has led to losses, scams, schemes,  
wave 3 Crypto fundamentals:   Finishing the job of wave 1 via Decentralized everything new (web3,4,5...) network and  driven by engineers/engineering  financed and fueled with Bitcoin and crypto only

Oh I see so cmc is delayed on updating their tables? Thought they are the best when it comes to crypto data's but what about coingecko? Maybe this one is more reliable because there's also opinions which states that coingecko is much better and more fairer than cmc.

In the event we saw a coin there which works differently than bitcoin then that can be qualified to the taste of the OP. He can accept it if that specific coin dumps while btc and the rest are rising because that is what the coin's fundamentals are telling. Maybe there is an issue with them or an ongoing update which affect their performance but as soon as that have been fixed the coin can always catch up.

I think it's just a waste of time to look for crypto that doesn't depend on BTC, because all cryptos always follow where BTC is moving, even though there are some coins that are late in responding to BTC movements, but that doesn't mean the coin doesn't depend on BTC, as in this case. ethereum and binance, although sometimes they don't go hand in hand, in the end the coin will follow the movement of BTC.

Bitcoin is the number Crypto in the space and it's pump and dumps entirely affects the market. When Bitcoin dumps, Ethereum is always suddenly follow the lead of Bitcoin. It is what it is, not all Cryptos sometimes follow the lead because I could remember fully when that when Bitcoin was dumping, other altcoins like GMT where shooting to the moon. These altcoins are sometimes different with the movement of Bitcoin but also follow Bitcoin to dip also in the market. One general and acceptable fact about the market is that Bitcoin dump can't all the altcoins in the market rather some of it and some altcoins always pump during the bear market.

there is no coin/token circulating in the market whose price is not influenced by bitcoin, everything depends on bitcoin, but you can try investing in gambling tokens because from what I have noticed, the price movement is different from other altcoins.

As far as I know there is no type of crypto that moves on its own, almost all of them are influenced by the movement of Bitcoin, for the opposite type of crypto there are...such as: BEAR, ADADOWN, BTCDOWN, ETHDOWN, and many others, the type of coin does not depend on Bitcoin, only fundamentally opposite, Bitcoin goes down he goes up and Bitcoin goes up he goes down, for more complete clarity you can look at MarketCap.

It's not about the pair for trading, but about the level of capitalization of each cryptocurrency. Bitcoin affects other cryptocurrencies in terms of price because it now has a capitalization of 42.5 percent. That is, almost half of all investments in this market are invested in bitcoin. If the level of capitalization of bitcoin drops significantly, then it will not have such an impact on other types of cryptocurrencies as it is now. Theoretically and practically it is possible and it is quite probable that someday it can happen.

It could happen but I do not think it is likely since even that percentage is dubious at best, if we were to eliminate from the list all the coins which are not decentralized then we will soon find out the dominance of bitcoin is even higher than what we thought.

So the day in which bitcoin does not hold as much influence over other coins seems to be too far away that I do not think most of us will be alive to see that day, after all it is not as if bitcoin will remain static since the bitcoin developers will make a lot of improvements to the code of bitcoin and this will have the effect of delaying the day we could see something like that.

Maybe there was a small chance that DeFi world could have done it. This is why I believe that we should not be shocked about this. Just realize that you are not going to end up with doing anything crazy with the btc you have anyway, so why not try the altcoins and give them a chance? If you do not want that, if you do not want bigger risk, btc i s always better.

But, if you want to take that risk, DeFi for a while did that, they were going much higher than what bitcoin did for example and it looked like it would. Why DeFi? Because, they had a different system of approach, the DEX places allowed people to be their own banks, earn themselves, and trade without needing to put their money anywhere else.

Gambling tokens are no different from other altcoin tokens. At best they can be expected to go bigger than average altcoin. Still I have not seen any of them making really big market movements.

Bitcoin is the basis, the standard here. Looking at something not from the Bitcoin point of view is a wrong thing. One can use USDT to measure them though.

It does not mean that we are all bitcoin lovers and altcoin haters. Altcoins never make any impact on the market in the long run. It is bitcoin which stands tall.

That's right, so far no altcoin can stand alone without depending on the Bitcoin market. when Bitcoin experiences a decline, the altcoin market will also be directly affected by the movement of Bitcoin.
however, Bitcoin's dominance in the crypto market is still very strong. all of them may still exist and will continue to depend on the capabilities of Bitcoin for a long time.

Here are some options for you:

1. yield farm stablecoins on DeFi platforms for up to 25%
2. invest and stake HEX or MAXX finance tokens. HEX has been a non-correlated asset and I believe MAXX will do the same. This is because investors need to lock their funds up for years and get penalized for early withdrawals. This keeps the price stable.

since I have signed crypto so far, there has been no altcoin that doesn't follow btc, everyone follows where btc goes, one thing that is impossible if there is an altcoin that doesn't depend on btc

It is almost impossible to find a cryptocurrency that is not tied to Bitcoin. As long as Bitcoin's dominance rate in the market continues to be at these levels, all cryptocurrencies will continue to be tied to Bitcoin. Having such expectations can cause you to waste time. I think you should look for ways to live in harmony with this conjuncture. :)

There are only a few cryptos that aren't tied to BTC with trading bots or are non-correlated. Two of them that I know are HEX and 0xMR. One thing that I swear by though is investing in POS coins that have a high APY like NEAR and ICP. This means that although the price may go down in a bear market, you will have 10-20% more crypto to sell in a bull market.

It is very difficult to find altcoins that are not affected by Bitcoin, because the majority of altcoins always follow the movement of Bitcoin.
This is because Bitcoin dominates the market, so it's only natural that altcoins are eventually affected by Bitcoin's movement. Even if there are
altcoins that don't follow the movement of Bitcoin, they are coins whose prices are manipulated by whales, therefore if we find any altcoins
whose price suddenly rises even though the price of Bitcoin is falling, it must be wary of. Because that's the manipulation that whales do to
make a fake pump, which can cause FOMO to occur and later there will be many investors who end up buying at the peak price. After that
the whales will take profit and the price of the coins will be dumped. So I prefer only invest in top altcoins which are indeed affected by the Bitcoin
price. It will be much easier for us to predict its movement than to risk investing in coins that are not tied to Bitcoin.

I thought that these metaverses and hyped projects run independently but unfortunately, they end up relying on Bitcoin and even getting worse. As to whether we like it or not, we can never find any projects that do the opposite direction without the influence of Bitcoin. I was been in the crypto market for many years and many people looking for that during the bear season but guess what? They all had failed to see it, none have existed by now, and I'm not even sure about the future.

Really hard to point out because even there are projects that could go opposite on bitcoins movement or whatever trend it may have but most of the time everything would be dragged down.
Although there are projects could really pump despite of the market condition but its less likely you would able to spot out because its hard to go against when fundamentals and
events or news in the market.Therefore, you cant really say that there are coins which arent really depending on btc anymore and as said
most of the time it will really be following on what Bitcoin path is been taking on.

There is no such thing like that, only bitcoin itself. Crypto coins are known to be always dependent on the movement of bitcoin. Hence, whatever the path bitcoin takes, the rest of the coins in the market are being influenced. When bitcoin is in surge, all the coins are bound for a positive price. But when bitcoin price drops and starts to decline, the rest of the coins too will struggle and will end up being low valued.

Sometime altcoins can decouple bitcoin once it has a hype news that can make whales to pump it. If we are seeing from the daily candle and there will no be altcoin that can do that without any news. If you can try to find an altcoin that will have good upcoming news and this may give you a decent profit. So far people are always looking for altcoin that can't be affected by bitcoin.

I think there is no crypto currency, especially altcoins that really don't follow Bitcoin, because all altcoins always follow the price of Bitcoin,
if the price of Bitcoin goes down, the altcoin also goes down, unless the altcoin has good news that is really strong to hold the price up so that it can go up.

Well i have one token in mind but can not talk about it again and again, looks spamy, well you can check my previous post.
I am talking about tokens that have their own exchanges no doubt many token with their own exchanges like, houbi, bnb, bz etc depend on byc price or dominanace, But there is this token which is not depending on any other token even on btc. I observes it from its origination time.
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I can think of the stable coins, they're not dependent on bitcoin because they don't move but there's still a risk on them. Because we've seen some issues from UST and its value dropped a lot despite its stable coin.
But if it's overall in the market, I can't think also of any altcoin that won't depend on bitcoin. Even the top altcoin, Ethereum, it's having that movement following bitcoin.

I think OP is referring to altcoins, stablecoins are not taken into account in this case. Nowadays, without any altcoin that can function individually without depending on the movement of bitcoin, bitcoin dominance is too great.

There are only a handful of cases where altcoins that don't depend on bitcoin can create a trend against bitcoin but that can only happen in the short term and then will also return to the movement of bitcoin.

Sometimes it's seen that for some reasons a few altcoins don't depend on bitcoin. But it's not taking that long and that's why if OP is really looking for altcoins that won't depend on bitcoin.
He will have difficulties finding one and if he can prove that he has found one, it won't take a long time until he'll be able to see that it will start to get attached to bitcoin again.

I'd come to that way thinking sometimes but unfortunately, I'd just fail looking at them because the reality is that BTC dominates the market and altcoins are there to follow the trend. You might see some do the rallies, it pumps suprisingly but that because of whales manipulation and it was not for long-term which I think that was we looked for. I see how good to see such project that won't rely on Bitcoin but I think we have to accept that this is how the crypto market works, they stick together and once Bitcoin fall, the entire market will fall as well.

That is a temporary solution though, not a permanent one. I mean there is no project in the world that could be independent from the market itself, the whole market moves together and one project acting of its own is not something we will see that much. What we are doing however is the fact that crypto being a bit more like a tribe instead of each project being own its own.

Hence, we are not going to see projects being that great all by itself, and the ones that do go up or down just itself would be doing that for a short period of time, for a few days at most, and then it will be moving with the market all over again and not change it too much at all.

maybe if there's something that can replace bitcoin in the future when bitcoin becomes obsolete and some crypto replaces it, maybe there was a chance but for now, I think everything still aligns with bitcoin, when the king falls another crypto sector almost also down.

Only USDT, USDC and other stable coins don't depend on BTC because they are stable, as for all other projects that have volatility activated are going to keep following BTC forever, some follow sharply and some follow slowly.

Bitcoin is simply the blood in the crypto market, and the most prominent crypto coin. From that, seeing it dominated the market as well, then it will be a waste of time and money if you still look for another option to trust and invest. If you want to simply take higher risks, there are lots of altcoins waiting to be picked. But if you want visible huge profits, then just invest in bitcoin because it will surely satisfy your long term goals.

I think there is no coin that is not dependent on Bitcoin, even though they say the network itself, the blockchain, the mechanism itself, in fact what I see is moving Bitcoin the coin is also moving and vice versa, although at this time I see there are many coins that are opposite but do not guarantee, still fundamentals occur in the development of Bitcoin.

Everything in crypto depend on btc, if btc is on bear season most of the altcoins are also suffers bear market, bitcoin influences most of the coin because it is the main pair on trading or investing next to stable coin usdt or busd if btc price fall the value of pairing on trading is affected that is why most of the investors hold thier btc during bear season, if btc value is low the amount of tokens that we can buy is small so better hold.

Cryptocurrencies are still such young, immature assets. Bitcoin is the King, probably always will be. Exchanges always have BTC-ALT pairings so it’s going to be a long time until that changes imo.

Wow, if it's true, let me know, because what I see is that almost all Altcoin names are related to Bitcoin, I am very interested in this statement, so I want to find out and read some of the posts above, is there really such a thing, unfortunately I didn't find it. .

as benchmark bitcoin will always influence altcoin price , this is like dollar index in forex market. Every altcoin will follow bitcoin price , except for altcoin that have strong fundamental and utility which is released while bitcoin dumped so it be trigger for this coin pumped.

if we research on market its not 100% work, most altcoin will follow btc price , maybe for altcoin that have special event or announcements could decouple with btc price.

You are comparing two things here, and as far as I am concerned, these two things won't happen in the future. no altcoin is strong enough to replace bitcoin, and bitcoin is still king, it will always dominate the market, the whole market still depends on the movement of bitcoin. Trying to find an altcoin independent of bitcoin is not there.

cryptocurrency should independently stand for its price just like forex or stock market which is no one could be king in market. bitcoin dominance must disappear soon for market health , let altcoin project compete by their self to prove which of them was the best and worth to get best price in market.at this moment altcoin still depend on bitcoin movement , when it dumped most altcoin dumped too and vice versa.

You can never separate crypto with bitcoin dude, all of the alts created because of blockchain technology that naturally originate in bitcoin. It will never be happen, Bitcoin is the mother of all cryptos.

Bitcoin will always set the trend for the rest of the crypto market as the main indicator. All other cryptocurrencies will follow it, except for short-term manipulation of some coins, but the result will be the same for all. Bitcoin is like the S&P stock market index, showing the health of major companies. Even ETH globally follows bitcoin, so other projects will repeat these movements all the more.

That is practically not possible because all other cryptocurrency to a large extent depends on BTC. Matter of fact, it is BTC and others. So there's no way other cryptocurrency can exist on their own without BTC having influence on them.

Why don't you take a trip down to cmc and cg to find out if there is such coin yet in existence yourself? it is not a question if it is true or false, there is none in existence as far as the crypto ecosystem is concerned period. Even this (https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/these-three-crypto-assets-are-least-correlated-to-bitcoin-data-shows/) article tries to list 3 projects don't correlate with btc but imo they are still very influence by btc price.

Durant.

For now no.  If bitcoin bulls so does the market and if bitcoin tanks so does everything else.  There is so much riding on the /btc pairings that it can't be decoupled for the most part.

In my opinion, the entire cryptocurrency will depend only on bitcoin. Since the Bitcoin coin is the leading coin, it is followed by many different coins. And accordingly, the crypto industry has already come a long way of development, which will change in the near future and new digital technologies will appear. So already new promising coins will be independent.

As long as the market dominance belongs to Bitcoin, there can be no cryptocurrency that is not dependent on Bitcoin. When the Bitcoin price drops, the whole market follows it. There is no escape from this situation. We need to get used to this situation and get used to positioning accordingly. Instead of fighting Bitcoin, we should adopt living in peace with Bitcoin as a standard of living.

No cryptocurrency exists that is independent of bitcoin. All cryptocurrencies are dependent on the price of bitcoin increasing. even top altcoins like ethereum, binance, eos, and others. To date, the price changes of alternative currencies have always followed the upward trend of the Bitcoin.

You won't have that ever.
Also what fundamentals are we talking about here?

It's just a common thing that Altcoin is moved aroung based around of Bitcoin mostly and it's almost impossible to break the current trend about how the price works even in the future.
If such coin existed, then the coin would have manipulated by single person and it would probably much worse than highly dependent on Bitcoin.

So far I follow cryptocurrencies so in my opinion there is no altcoin that does not follow the king of all coins, namely bitcoin. except stablecoins. and I'm sure all crypto users and crypto traders have understood this. because the entire crypto market uses Bitcoin as the main pair. and this proves that all altcoins will follow and depend on bitcoin.

This issue is about dominance ratio. As long as Bitcoin dominance is at these levels, any Bitcoin price change will put psychological pressure on the market. The number of coins and tokens that can get out of this pressure will always be very few. As I recall, Link had accomplished this for a while. Link had created hype with its work on Oracle systems and showed a price performance independent of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin was the first cryptocurrency to be created and entered the market, it is not surprising that until now Bitcoin is still dominating the market.
This ultimately makes Bitcoin affect the movement of all altcoins, as you said except stablecoins which are not affected by Bitcoin movement.
It's not wrong if in the end most people predict when the bull market will come, by looking at Bitcoin's performance. Because if the Bitcoin price is
bullish, it will be followed by the majority of altcoins in the market and will be bullish as well.

So it seems that almost all altcoins follow Bitcoin, even if there are altcoins that don't follow Bitcoin, it is clear that there are whales that manipulate
these altcoins. So it's not a good idea to invest in altcoins manipulated by whales, it will only make us lose our money. I don't think it's a problem
investing in altcoins where the movement follows the Bitcoin price. As long as the altcoins have a good track record and include potential altcoins,
we can still generate large profits by investing in these altcoins.

Does op think he can ever find a crypto project that does not depend on Bitcoin to move? That is funny and I think there is no project like that. I think if all these altcoins do not depend on Bitcoin to move then there daily supply or market cap will not be able to move the price of the altcoin to go bull. Bitcoin makes everything easier for a crypto project so that they will be able to move easily without stress who his why Bitcoin movement effect all other cryptocurrencies. Maybe in the future, many of these coins or tokens will be able to move on there own without stress.