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So btc again not moving but we need each everyday moves where are they ?
Pumps and dumps ?
Can the market become independet of btc ?
Like all coins whts depending on btc not just move if btc dint move
But we need moves everyday where is the real moves ?
Is are all the moves i n DEX ? Becouse binance not moving
Should we all move in dex now ?
Like in pancakeswap where is 170000% moves and yhats at least something some action.

Or what is the solution ?
Need some moves big moves otherwise not interested about trading

Market is not supposed to be volatile 24/7 but depending on one's strategy, they can still make profits right now

Not with Bitcoin's current dominance but there some tokens that pump and dump every day

Sometimes I think you are not a real trader, or you are looking at the wrong places, or you are just completely over ambitious.
Check out the top gains and losers on different exchanges, there is always a coin or token pumping and dumping regardless of the market situation

Mate I don't even know how many threads you've already created on how bitcoin isn't moving. BTC's literally down 4.4% in 24 hours, and up 4.7% in a week. If you really want more volatility, go trade low-volume shitcoins.

You must have a view of 4 years and longer with Bitcoin investment. Roughly Bitcoin has its four years cycle because of 4 years halving. Within each 4 years, you can see very dramatic price movements but after a full cycle, price will rise a lot and good enough to have profit.

Looking at daily chart and price movement every day is not smart. It will affect your feeling and your activity so that you can not stick with your plan.

Investment long term with 4 years and longer as you can see with https://hodl.camp/, if you can hold more than 4 1/2 years, you will not get loss.

Hello op sorry that bitcoin may be disappointing you or you just creating the thread for mere sake. Bitcoin at the time may not give you that kind of volatility you expected from last year when it was moving for ATH. Wait for another halving then you can say something about it, if you want to invest for long time then put your money in bitcoin if you will have the patience to wait.

Btc is moving, infact the entire market is moving. whats your time frame to study a chart? Are you a day trader?


The entire market ecosystem is built on pumps and dump indirectly and yes to some extents, the market is independent on btc movements, if you look closely at the altcoins movement over the bearish market, you would notice this.


To me, it seems you are expecting a sudden surge in price and not a price growth, sorry to disappoint you, but the crypto currency market does not just pump and dump (esp. btc)
Also, how do you mean binance is not moving? is it the bnb coin or the binance marketplace entirely ?


The market is fine, and it is bearish. if you think otherwise then perhaps you need to understand what trading is all about.
The solution to your doubts is to first understand

why exactly you are trading,
what tokens are trading?
what are your expectations from every tradeS?
are your trades emotion based?

Understand when, why and how to trade will help you a long way in your trading career.
Studying psychology of trading provides perfect balance. Goodluck

I needd PUMP

I'm sure it's not only you who want a pump but many people who have invested in bitcoins want it, especially those who bought bitcoins above $30k and $69k ago. They are eagerly waiting for the pump to come again. Unfortunately, many are impatient and panicked seeing the price of bitcoin, which continues to decline until now. But bitcoin will not disappoint us all, especially those who can still wait and hold their bitcoins. So please be patient.

Youll lucky already on crypto trading volume its might more better than stocks (local stocks on our country is way low compared to a shitcoin on crypto).

Its depend on the market sympathy, sometimes there s a huge surge of volume cause some news are being broadcast, its all about publicity. Or if some whale decides to play the mind of some retailers. Shaking them too hard.

So what do you think about today's pump? For bitcoin, from $21k to $23k and that's a big move to be said of while we're waiting for even a larger pump. As you complain, I guess you have superpowers that the market has noticed and felt and that's why the entire market moved accordingly.

The market moves daily but you just can't noticed them well because you're looking for large increases/decreases. Are you longing to be a day trader? Well, I'm sure that you won't like the outcome of it if you're asking things like this and you aspire to be one.

Looking like BTC needs more shorts liquidation, We are still bullish until 21.5k  is taken out, The resistance is around 23.2k if price can stay above it I am expecting more upside except price can't stay above 23.2k. I was bearish early morning yesterday, but I saw some strong bullish signals.. I said to my self that this is bear trap. It was at night when everybody was expecting bear, those signals were correct lots of shorters had been liquidated in past two days, the manipulation of the market is so damn much

I definitely agree with you.

However, other traders seem to forget that even small profits are still profits, others are just looking for a long trade even though there's none as of now (but we're not sure) since Bitcoin and altcoins are very unpredictable. If there's no opening or good trade, then don't make a trade, simple as that. Most of the newbie traders are envious of other traders, thinking that they should make profits as well but I believe that's a misunderstanding.

Every traders should move according to their own phase, based on their intelligence about trading, that's how they are going to make profits.

but for traders who trade Futures both are very desirable, long pumps or long / short dumps. everyone needs it equally to make a profit. the market is also affected by outside sentiment, affected by the manipulation of whales and others. Those who panic certainly will not be able to take advantage of the best moment to make a profit. Bitcoin price fluctuations will result in big pumps and big dumps, we need to be able to enter and exit the market with the right timing.

We have to understand the Bitcoin market is gigantic now and daily sharp movements are neither possible nor healthy for the traders and holders. Some 5 years back it was possible to manipulate the market if you had a big bankroll and smart strategy but now there are too many whales and institutions who hold and trade Bitcoin so it's impossible to manipulate or even move the market by much.

If you want to trade those sharp movements, it's based to do that in the altcoins market and there are 0x to 100x all the time. It's almost a more advanced version of gambling where you gamble on a token to either 2x 10x or just die the next morning you wake up. You can play the crash or dice game instead if you are just desperate to lose or gain some extra bucks and don't have the patience to hold for long.

And not only with this account he spams all over the forum, but also with all the alt accounts he has used so far. If you remember the same statements in the Bitcoin discussion in the past, you may remember that you even gave the same advice as here. I'm just surprised by the level of single-mindedness that this user has been showing for at least a year through his twisted and nonsensical statements.

The moves won't be seen by haters and just think that it will not even if someone laid out in there face the whole truth. We don't have to think you otherwise that there is because in the end you won't understand it either nor sink it on you. Will you? Just wait when it's bull run, you'll see it increase rapidly and so do in bear run were it will nosedive that may tickle your mind on how it nosedive that much.

Trading does involved buy and sell and it wont matter if its on small movement or big which it could definitely be called up that way.Just like been said by most people on here that pumps or movements arent always that
high or too volatile or certain days here on crypto space which does simply means that there are indeed times that the market is moving sideways or not that much but still volatile since percentage movement
is still a movement.It is really just that you arent preferring to see those kind of percentage and hoping for 17k or higher multipliers which is definitely can be seen through shitcoins but if we do talk about those known and established coins then we wont really be seeing those kind of numbers considering their value which is mostly on their ATH then it wold really be totally impossible.

He got few similar thread topics in the forum. He is just an anxious new trader that might have invested when the market is bearish recently. Bearish market can be very long and painful, am scared to tell some traders that the bear market not be over soon. He needs to read by searching the forum, then noticed most of his question had already been answered. He need to hold a good amount of stable coin or fiat in this market to buy from the dip.

Or he can better convert his hodling to stable coin and allow it there and if the bull is back he can enter again if he is scared of the bear. Like you said the market may not clear from the bear just now. This is the third quarter of the year and little or no volatility usually happen around this time. More patients will be needed for you friend.

Conversion of any amount of cryptocurrency stable coin is there what can make someone to regain It's money. I believe that for someone to hold cryptocurrency is of two different ways. I believe that holding cryptocurrency directly can only help to make a lot of profit to men cryptocurrency enter bullish market. But the best method hold cryptocurrency is being converted to usdt and immediately we experience bullish market then the conversion have to return cryptocurrency. And with that a lot of profit will be made

This is not a problem for the trader, as it is solved by margin. In this case, when the price moves by 0.5%, you will get a 5% movement with a 10-fold leverage. And accordingly, with a larger shoulder, you will get a greater result.

If you really want to invest, you must have experience with that asset. If you want to invest in Bitcoin, you must have 2 to 4 years of experience. To invest you must have an understanding of the Bitcoin cycle because if you understand the current market then the biggest mistake will be that will lead you to ruin.Therefore, if you have a long experience, you can certainly achieve success there by investing.

You should create a proper thread. We understand that you want bitcoin to "move", you don't have to keep on saying "moving" and the same thing again and again. You can't have the price move a lot everyday. I am not even sure what you mean. If you look at the market, you will see that the price there is always some small change within short period of time. Maybe take advantage of that? And if you are looking for massive volatile coins, then trade some random shitcoins that gets pumped and dumped on a DEX.

Bitcoin isn't stable and you could expect pumps and dumps because its main characteristic is volatile and that's what makes it profitable. However, you can't expect Bitcoin to exceed or reach your expectations because it will always be unpredictable so if you're holding BTC, you better be patient. Don't stress out monitoring the price of Bitcoin every time because that could only stress you out most especially if you are investing for the long term. Wait and see how Bitcoin could reach a good value in the future.

OP seems like stressed so much about the market situation that I think this is his only source of income or something. The market won't be moving according to what you like it to happen because no matter what you think or do if the market is in the bear market it is what it is. And the only thing you can do is move according to what's the market movement. Buy when it is declining and sell when it is rising or HODL if it's not the right time to sell.

In short, you want to know how to make money in Bitcoin even if its price does not move much in the market? is that what you mean? You know that depends on the understanding and knowledge you have of bitcoin, now if you want to earn just by pump and dump, it is more suitable to buy shitcoins or meme coins that often do pump and dump, although is high risk.


Indeed, if only bitcoin does not change its price and value at any time, it can be said that it is similar to a stablecoin, only that is why it is not like that, that is why it is called a peer to peer currency because of the volatility that it has that it does not have stablecoins or fiat currencies. And this may be one of the main things related to bitcoin because through it many people have the opportunity to make money and can able to produce money in the future.

If you are not interested in trading the current market conditions then you have the option to not do it, if you think this is the time to take a break and to not trade the market then that is what you should do, the only thing I have to say is that in my opinion you are expecting movements which are too big, they do happen of course but they are an exception, most of the time the movements will be way smaller than that, but as long as you can obtain profits with those movements then that is all what you need to make some profits in this market.

Everyone wants pump not just you. But how do you even expect to get pump if the opportunity like this where the price was dropped up to 5% and yet people don't want to take this opportunity to buy more so if the price goes up then you will get more profit by buying those dips. Trading is not just about pump, it's also about dump where you buy more in certain cases.

Bitcoin price changes are the main basis for the movement of Altcoin prices. Altcoins cannot exist independently without the movement of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is always one step ahead of price changes. We only need to pay attention to changes in market prices based on changes in Bitcoin prices.

From the beginning, i noticed that without bitcoin increment no any other cryptocurrency will experience bullish market. The only thing i noticed right now is that Bitcoin increment is the Master speed or boost of any other cryptocurrency. So it bitcoin get more shape and more advantages that's when other coins will be regarded and also have more values also. So no any other coin that can boost of itself. And secondly be aware that if bitcoin is been eliminated today no any other cryptocurrencies that can last for few months

Not only bitcoin but the rest of established altcoins are also experiencing low prices. Trading with bitcoin would not be so profitable these days as the market is still in bleed. If you can’t be patient enough and would be obsessed to trade to gain profits, then yes, go on trade with low volume shitcoins, and let’s see if you’ll be satisfied with the results.

 ;D

if it had pump every day then bitcoin would already be at 100 million dollars, besides when there is pump also then comes the dump and if that happened every day, people would fear bitcoin and move away from bitcoin. we have to look at another case, that the greater the number of people who enter this market, the lower the daily volatility of bitcoin will be, that is, those large increases and large drops will gradually disappear, and with that bitcoin will be a more stable currency and that will attract even more people because it will be a reliable investment. pump and dump just destroy the asset


Altcoins have always been dependent on bitcoin, as much as some people are wrong and buy altcoins at the end of the day if the price of bitcoin drops too much it takes all altcoins along, it has always been like this. the only thing that makes people buy altcoin is that sometimes the price of altcoin goes up in relation to the btc - Alt pair and when the bitcoin price goes up in the BTC - USD pair people with altcoin can make a big profit

That's exactly my observation and my narrative towards cryptocurrency reaction of bullish and bearish. It became obvious indecencies that altcoins value or positive acceleration in the cryptosphere without the handwork of Bitcoin been attached to it. Because bitcoin is the genesis of bullish market in the cryptocurrency. And that's the reason i do advice people to venture into Bitcoin investment than altcoins, because from my understanding and one side view of knowing altcoins, some of them have limited time to Excel

True, every single person which has invested money in this market would like for the price of their assets in their portfolio to go up in price in a dramatic fashion, but what happens is that the markets do not move according to our desires and we are the ones which have to adapt to them, and right now we need to be very cautious because even if the price seems to be relatively stable there is still a chance we could see another drop during the coming months.

Bitcoin will pump at it's due time bro, so it doesn't matter weather you say you need pump or not, because to me, bitcoin is the surest long term investment that you don't have to be afraid of been scammed, as it has been in existence for quite a long while, tested and trusted. So if you are looking for a massive pump just like you said, go for shitcoins where you could either make massive gain or lose massively, the choice is yours. Because Bitcoin is an investment for the patient and diligent

It really does matter to him. He needs a pump because he badly needs a money but for some, it doesn't really since most of us here are patient enough and we also invest money which we won't really be needing so that when it times we need money we still have something that we can get out of our pocket and no need for us to sell our btc at a loss.

Like you said, btc can pump on the right time and its pump is also massive so there is no need for you to suggest shitcoins to him as they are a pure gamble. Not all of them can pump but when they did, I still don't think that their pumps are much bigger than on what bitcoin has to offer.

Regardless of the pump or not this really doesn't really mean much to some people holding it right now because if I see there are still a lot of people who are quite patient with this kind of thing.
And indeed this is what has to be done regardless of what is going on with the market all it takes is calm and patience. bitcoin is going up in the near future then that is a good thing, but if it still takes time then this is not a big problem because all it takes is to wait.

You need pump as you say?

Go to the exchanges and trade and you'll have no control with pumps and dumps unless you're a whale and you're integrated with the other whales too.

I know that you know that the market is volatile and you can't force it to go according to what you like. It's not just going to happen even how hard you want and how hard you tell for it to pump.

He might be get used to into those low caps or shit coins who do make out some huge pumps or jumps into its price since we do know that these are the things that could really have those kind of behavior.

If you do find out that btc movement is boring or something that doesnt excite you then go ahead with low caps and try to play with its price movement but dont regret nor cry if you do find yourself get caught

with the dump and plummeting price considering that not all or almost of those coins turns out to be dead for a particular span of time and thats why majority doesnt really touch up these things.

There are traders that are impatient and that's why they're losing. Asking them with some actual experiences with gains and losses, they'll tell more about their losses and so do I.

If there's an urge to say that he wants to earn quickly and want to do it as soon as possible. He should do it on his own to see on how good he is as a trader.

Because the real traders won't have that attitude as they can adapt on any season of the market.

Having the price of Bitcoin move normally is the best thing to become natural. For me, it's more healthy on the market if we don't see any high volatility like a massive dump or pump in just a short period of time. It will help the market to become stable and natural.
Having Bitcoin stay on sideways, it could be possible it is on accumulating area and after that it will go up or down.

This stability will be good for the market as this will attract way more people that are not comfortable with the massive bull markets and the crashes we see in this market from time to time, however I do not think the market is ready for that, the volatility is still very high and if we are honest this is what attracts a great deal of the traders and investors that have invested recently in the market, and with this in mind then it is not likely we will see a reduction of the volatility when that is precisely what they are looking for.

Even the founder of Ethereum said that this year we will face crypto winter again so we shouldn't hope for a big move tho since many people already losing their investment value when investing in ATH prices. If you want some big moves try to check shitcoin where they only care about pump and dump if you're a real bitcoin supporter then just hold until we reach another ATH.

no one will force the market to move in their favor. I guess it's just an expectation of what he wants to see. instead of expecting too much, I think it would be better to make a long-term investment plan from now on. The correction has already taken place, and of course when the pumps we all don't want to be left behind.
the market will change the trend. if bitcoin is not moving right now, there are still altcoins that have good moves. even if you look at ETH and BNB it seems to have a better trade at the moment.
If bitcoin is still not moving and seems more stable, we can turn to altcoins that are in a good trend for trading. we can still profit, and that is better than forcing the market to follow our wishes.

We cannot control how the market moves, it is true that if there are no big movements then it is not possible to make any profits while we trade, however the correct path to take is not to complain about it or to try to force yourself to make more trades, right now the correct decision is to simply wait until things improve on the market, now if you are not willing to wait for long to make a few trades then invest in other markets as well, since I am sure there are other markets presenting decent movements at the moment.

Well Bitcoin has moved in recent days, what happens is that it has been a bit down, however it has recovered 0.1% in 1H, but taking into account how the movement of all markets is, it can be seen that there is a great uncertainty, however this affects many Bitcoin investors, it is normal, some get carried away by panic and by all the speculations that are in the market, however I have seen that many people are expectant and alert, Some expect bitcoin to rise for them to buy, which doesn't seem right to me, right now is when you have to buy, but of course not everyone sees the market the way you want it to be seen.