Title: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 09, 2022, 06:33:26 PM Climate change is real, but it has little to do with habits of people. Maybe if we set off thousands of nukes, maybe then we might be able to affect climate change.
NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/330007-2022-08-08-nasa-admits-climate-change-occurs-because-of-changes-in-earths.htm) For more than 60 years, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has known that the changes occurring to planetary weather patterns are completely natural and normal. But the space agency, for whatever reason, has chosen to let the man-made global warming hoax persist and spread, to the detriment of human freedom. It was the year 1958, to be precise, when NASA first observed that changes in the solar orbit of the earth, along with alterations to the earth's axial tilt, are both responsible for what climate scientists today have dubbed as "warming" (or "cooling," depending on their agenda). In no way, shape, or form are humans warming or cooling the planet by driving SUVs or eating beef, in other words. But NASA has thus far failed to set the record straight, and has instead chosen to sit silently back and watch as liberals freak out about the world supposedly ending in 12 years because of too much livestock, or too many plastic straws. In the year 2000, NASA did publish information on its Earth Observatory website about the Milankovitch Climate Theory, revealing that the planet is, in fact, changing due to extraneous factors that have absolutely nothing to do with human activity. But, again, this information has yet to go mainstream, some 19 years later, which is why deranged, climate-obsessed leftists have now begun to claim that we really only have 18 months left before the planet dies from an excess of carbon dioxide (CO2). ... 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Cnut237 on August 10, 2022, 09:46:42 PM Weird to see someone with such an aversion to science and facts suddenly regarding NASA as a source of authority. But there we go, even Big Oil shills can surprise us from time to time.
You may be interested in this illustration of climate change from a former NASA employee (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Munroe): https://xkcd.com/1732 Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 11, 2022, 10:19:07 AM Weird to see someone with such an aversion to science and facts suddenly regarding NASA as a source of authority. But there we go, even Big Oil shills can surprise us from time to time. ... When a bunch of simps are chumped by huxters such as NASA and their spreading of fake science, then the simps have _no_ leg to stand on when NASA comes clean on 'the science'. That is good reason to call attention to it. As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Last I looked oil was going for something like $90/barrel and it technically easier and cheaper to extract/transfer than it ever was due to a variety of developments. Do get it? Probably not. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TheNineClub on August 11, 2022, 11:09:53 AM There was never any denial from the scientific community of natually causing climate changes. Why is everyone trying to make it seem like there is a big climate change conspiracy done by scientists? Yes, climate change is a natural process, however, our planet is equipped with mechanisms to counter, lessen, or just keep those changes on track to where the environment can (in most cases) can adapt to them. What you are missing from this short story is that human climate impact has tilted and jolted that natural safety mechanism and the planet is unable to catch up to it. So no, climate change is not caused by humans, we just sped up the process, removed the safety measures, and put everything out of wack. Good job.
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Cnut237 on August 11, 2022, 12:43:29 PM When a bunch of simps are chumped by huxters such as NASA and their spreading of fake science, then the simps have _no_ leg to stand on when NASA comes clean on 'the science'. That is good reason to call attention to it. If someone spends pretty much their entire time in P&S attacking every example of scientific evidence that is presented, then it seems reasonable to conclude that their arguments are faith-based rather than fact-based. If they then cite as a source of authority an institution that they've previously and routinely disparaged, then that just lends weight to the conclusion that they're simply seeking out anything that anybody says that supports (or, more often, and more superficially, merely appears to support) whatever half-baked notion they have already decided, sans evidence, is the indisputable truth. As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Last I looked oil was going for something like $90/barrel and it technically easier and cheaper to extract/transfer than it ever was due to a variety of developments. Do get it? Probably not. No, I don't get it, because this is complete nonsense. You do realise that the oil companies make vast profits, and indeed have announced record-breaking profits during the last few weeks? But you contend that they are actually intent on destroying their own gargantuan money-making machine in order to further a green agenda? Seems somewhat unlikely. ::) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 11, 2022, 01:20:23 PM ... I wrote some on the science behind climate change back when I was interested in it many years ago. The science was/is many pay-grades above what almost anyone here could hope to understand. "It had the Pi equation and everything." It's not a current interest of mine having deduced long ago, thorough modestly rigorous means, that it is a scam. More fertile grounds are to be found in exploring the whos' and whys' and general implementation of the scam and watching it's evolution. The 'carbon tax' scammers are winning this round thanks to idjuts like you take their scientism hook, line, and sinker and become their most effective foot-soldiers. They call you 'useful idiots.' As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Last I looked oil was going for something like $90/barrel and it technically easier and cheaper to extract/transfer than it ever was due to a variety of developments. Do get it? Probably not. No, I don't get it, because this is complete nonsense. You do realise that the oil companies make vast profits, and indeed have announced record-breaking profits during the last few weeks? But you contend that they are actually intent on destroying their own gargantuan money-making machine in order to further a green agenda? Seems somewhat unlikely. ::) As I expected, you didn't get it. It involves supply/demand curves and artificial scarcity. Nobody is going to stop using fossil fuels. Ever. It's just a matter of what the users pay those who claim ownership of the resources. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 11, 2022, 02:04:52 PM When a bunch of simps are chumped by huxters such as NASA and their spreading of fake science, then the simps have _no_ leg to stand on when NASA comes clean on 'the science'. That is good reason to call attention to it. If someone spends pretty much their entire time in P&S attacking every example of scientific evidence that is presented, then it seems reasonable to conclude that their arguments are faith-based rather than fact-based. If they then cite as a source of authority an institution that they've previously and routinely disparaged, then that just lends weight to the conclusion that they're simply seeking out anything that anybody says that supports (or, more often, and more superficially, merely appears to support) whatever half-baked notion they have already decided, sans evidence, is the indisputable truth. 1. Science is mostly not understood by the scientists who are discovering/examining it, until... 2. the engineers come in and attempt to use the science, thereby correcting the mistakes the scientists make. The way you seem to have faith in science is the same way religious people have faith in God. You are making science a religion for yourself, and you don't even want to look at this fact. As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Last I looked oil was going for something like $90/barrel and it technically easier and cheaper to extract/transfer than it ever was due to a variety of developments. Do get it? Probably not. No, I don't get it, because this is complete nonsense. You do realise that the oil companies make vast profits, and indeed have announced record-breaking profits during the last few weeks? But you contend that they are actually intent on destroying their own gargantuan money-making machine in order to further a green agenda? Seems somewhat unlikely. ::) The real reason you don't get it is because you don't want to get it. You are living in a fantasy world, partially propagated by the oil companies. Oil people who are serious, know what it takes to build up an energy-producing system. It took the oil giants a hundred years to build their system into what it is today. 'Green' can't begin to compete, never will be able to, and they know it. In fact, 'green' is just barely hanging on with all the subsidies it gets from government. And the war in Europe has shown the Western European governments just how little 'green' really works. To promote 'green' is to promote failure so that when people realize how much of a failure it is, they will dive back into oil all the way. I know. We all need to wake up and put a little more depth and scope into our thinking. I commend you for your attempts. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Cnut237 on August 11, 2022, 02:46:33 PM As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Kind of weird then how the biggest recipient of donations from the oil industry (https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01) is Manchin, the one Dem who was against the climate bill. And that the bill only passed once he'd wrung out a load of concessions for new fossil fuel exploration in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. You seriously think he's actually an uncover tree-huggin' eco-warrior whose overriding desire is to promote green energy? Consider over the last 300 years, all the scientific conclusions that were considered hard fact until some other scientist came along and proved them wrong. You have a fundamental misconception of what science is, and how it advances. the war in Europe has shown the Western European governments just how little 'green' really works. Why, because Russia has turned off some magical unknown green energy pipeline, that supplies the rest of Europe? Are you sure? So shutting off the gas pipeline is just an elaborate ruse, and really Russia is depriving the continent not of gas, but of renewables? ::) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 11, 2022, 04:27:42 PM As for 'big oil', they are the biggest sponsors of the 'green' scammers who are making bank off the whole charade. Kind of weird then how the biggest recipient of donations from the oil industry (https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01) is Manchin, the one Dem who was against the climate bill. And that the bill only passed once he'd wrung out a load of concessions for new fossil fuel exploration in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. You seriously think he's actually an uncover tree-huggin' eco-warrior whose overriding desire is to promote green energy? Consider over the last 300 years, all the scientific conclusions that were considered hard fact until some other scientist came along and proved them wrong. You have a fundamental misconception of what science is, and how it advances. the war in Europe has shown the Western European governments just how little 'green' really works. Why, because Russia has turned off some magical unknown green energy pipeline, that supplies the rest of Europe? Are you sure? So shutting off the gas pipeline is just an elaborate ruse, and really Russia is depriving the continent not of gas, but of renewables? ::) No. Because since Russia turned off the gas, everybody is seeing that 'green' energy isn't enough. How are we seeing it? By the way Western Europe is scrambling to find more energy, because their 'green' isn't really doing anything. I'm not your Mommy. Ask her to find your pacifier for you. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 12, 2022, 03:41:26 PM Climate change has been going on for thousands of years. Global warming is simply part of the climate change up and down swing.
Possibly mankind just might be able to kill off most life on planet earth - by using things like chemtrails and pharmaceuticals dispersal. But the Great Barrier Reef near Australia shows us we are failing in that project. Mainstream media downplays good news at Australia’s Great Barrier Reef (https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-11-mainstream-media-downplays-good-news-at-gbr.html#) Quote from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-11-mainstream-media-downplays-good-news-at-gbr.html# There has been a massive rise in the annual growth of coral over Australia’s Great Barrier Reef (GBR). According to the 2021-2022 annual summary from the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS), the level of coral cover in the northern and central areas of the reef is now at its highest levels over the past 36 years of monitoring. However, this excellent news is being downplayed by mainstream media. This comes as no surprise as the demise of the world’s coral reefs has been the go-to poster scare for climate change activists. In October 2020, the BBC told stories of the reef losing half its coral, while the Guardian set the coral doomsday ball rolling in 1999 by reporting that the “imminent destruction of the world’s coral reefs is not a scare story,” adding that “global heating could jeopardize recovery.” Still, many believe that the notion of global warming causing corals to die is a fib that “environmentalists” made. Tropical coral, which is closely related to its cnidarian cousin, the jellyfish, thrives in waters between 24 to 32 C. They are highly adaptable, but seem to dislike sudden changes in temperature, which are often caused by natural weather phenomena such as El Niño events. The latest results from AIMS show that coral quickly recovers when localized conditions return, and often grows faster in warmer waters nearer the equator than in the GBR. This lie suggests that minor long-term sea temperature changes will wipe out the coral, but scientific evidence suggests otherwise. Evidence shows coral reefs are not actually dying Data from AIMS showed that growth can be seen in the northern reef, and recovery is said to have continued following a “period of cumulative disturbances” from 2014 to 2020. ... 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 28, 2022, 09:36:54 PM There isn't any climate change that hasn't been happening for thousands of years. And that's about how long propaganda groups have been successfully propagandizing the sheeple.
Climate propaganda exposed by critical scientists and citizens (https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-28-climate-propaganda-exposed-by-critical-scientists-citizens.html#) Quote from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-28-climate-propaganda-exposed-by-critical-scientists-citizens.html# One of these actors is the well-funded think tank ISD, which focuses on influencing European populations in a range of areas. They have recently released a report showing that the globalists believe they are losing the propaganda and information war regarding climate. The opponents who are singled out as “super-spreaders” of “disinformation” are surprising in several ways. (Article republished from FreeWestMedia.com) The extremely well-financed and influential globalist think tank Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD), the Institute works with influence campaigns directed at the populations of Europe and is paid for by these populations’ own authorities as well as globalists such as Bill Gates and George Soros. One of the ISD’s focus areas is to monitor those who question or contradict the establishment climate narrative that there is global warming due to man-made carbon dioxide emissions. On June 9, the ISD published a 115-page report entitled Deny, Deceive, Delay: Documenting and Responding to Climate Disinformation at COP26 & Beyond. COP26 (Climate Change Conference 26) was the United Nations climate change conference that took place last year between October 31 and November 13 in Glasgow, United Kingdom. At least 120 world leaders and over 40,000 registered participants, including 22 274 party representatives, 14 124 observers and 3 886 media representatives flew there to discuss how people could be made to emit less carbon dioxide. MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER is an American author and democratic politician, including a gubernatorial candidate in California. He has been named “Hero of the Environment” by the news magazine Time and is a winner of the Green Book Award. Shellenberger has been called by the establishment “environmental guru”, “climate guru” and “North America’s leading public intellectual on clean energy” and “high priest” of the environmental movement. After he changed his mind, he is now singled out as one of six people that the globalists especially emphasize as a threat to their climate narrative, not least because he comes from their own ranks. Photo: Michael Shellenberger The climate conference was held at a time when many governments around the world had far-reaching travel restrictions that made it almost impossible because of forced medical experiments, to allow the public to fly or otherwise travel. ... 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: amishmanish on August 29, 2022, 03:59:14 AM Climate change is a real phenomenon. They say sins of fathers are bestowed upon the sons. I think this holds true for our generation. The way our previous generations has polluted this earth. We are bou to pay the price whether it is due to gasoline or orbital derbis. If we don't mend our ways we are doomed.
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TwitchySeal on August 29, 2022, 04:46:51 AM https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
https://i.gyazo.com/c5be38590cd2266847428d54a3d2373b.png tldr: "Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet" "Human Activity Is the Cause of Increased Greenhouse Gas Concentrations" "Evidence Shows That Current Global Warming Cannot Be Explained by Solar Irradiance" https://i.gyazo.com/39a302fb1bcfde30836da06037f9eaa0.png Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Moneyprism on August 29, 2022, 09:11:11 AM I still believe that global warming is due to human activities, not due to external factors of the earth.. don't look for excuses for something destructive
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: OgNasty on August 25, 2023, 08:23:00 PM I can’t believe that the idea our temperature is determined by how far we are from the sun is considered controversial today.
Is anybody going to talk about the eco-friendly straws people in certain places were forced to use being toxic? Are we really going to continue to let governments poison their citizenry in the name of climate change? Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Gozie51 on August 25, 2023, 10:35:31 PM Is NASA saying human activities are not the reason for climate change ? I doubt that humans don't contribute hugely to the change in the environment, although there are natural occurrence that could affect the climate like.carbon dioxide which is emission from vehicles, there is nitrous oxide, vapour from boiling water other substances and there are more that are human activities causing change. The issue is most of the causes of climate change is human factor, smoking is also part of it.
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 25, 2023, 11:57:19 PM Is NASA saying human activities are not the reason for climate change ? I doubt that humans don't contribute hugely to the change in the environment, although there are natural occurrence that could affect the climate like.carbon dioxide which is emission from vehicles, there is nitrous oxide, vapour from boiling water other substances and there are more that are human activities causing change. The issue is most of the causes of climate change is human factor, smoking is also part of it. Remember Krakatoa in the late 1800s? When it blew, it darkened the skies around the whole of planet earth. And there were others. And solar cycles swing climate change back and forth every 11 years or so. I'm sure that mankind contributes a tiny amount to climate change. But it is so small that if we didn't have solar changes and volcanoes interfering with out measurements, we might be able to measure human climate change. Regarding CO2, often other chemicals are released by man right along with the CO2. But CO2 along with oxygen are the building blocks of life... especially plant life. If we had more CO2, we wouldn't need chemical fertilizers and pesticides and herbicides on our fields. The plants would grow so strong and healthy that they would resist 'bad' stuff all by themselves. All the CO2 greenhouse effect stuff is simply speculation. And here is how speculative it really is. When people thought they could build a biosphere habitat, where they would live sealed off from the world, it barely worked for a period of time. Ultimately it failed. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TwitchySeal on August 26, 2023, 03:58:00 AM Is NASA saying human activities are not the reason for climate change ? I doubt that humans don't contribute hugely to the change in the environment, although there are natural occurrence that could affect the climate like.carbon dioxide which is emission from vehicles, there is nitrous oxide, vapour from boiling water other substances and there are more that are human activities causing change. The issue is most of the causes of climate change is human factor, smoking is also part of it. Remember Krakatoa in the late 1800s? When it blew, it darkened the skies around the whole of planet earth. And there were others. And solar cycles swing climate change back and forth every 11 years or so. I'm sure that mankind contributes a tiny amount to climate change. But it is so small that if we didn't have solar changes and volcanoes interfering with out measurements, we might be able to measure human climate change. Regarding CO2, often other chemicals are released by man right along with the CO2. But CO2 along with oxygen are the building blocks of life... especially plant life. If we had more CO2, we wouldn't need chemical fertilizers and pesticides and herbicides on our fields. The plants would grow so strong and healthy that they would resist 'bad' stuff all by themselves. All the CO2 greenhouse effect stuff is simply speculation. And here is how speculative it really is. When people thought they could build a biosphere habitat, where they would live sealed off from the world, it barely worked for a period of time. Ultimately it failed. 8) Quote https://i.gyazo.com/5fcc2dbbaf08f2e7782f0390f8675d0d.png https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/The above graph compares global surface temperature changes (red line) and the Sun's energy received by Earth (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square meter since 1880. The lighter/thinner lines show the yearly levels while the heavier/thicker lines show the 11-year average trends. Eleven-year averages are used to reduce the year-to-year natural noise in the data, making the underlying trends more obvious. The amount of solar energy Earth receives has followed the Sun’s natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs with no net increase since the 1950s. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. It is therefore extremely unlikely that the Sun has caused the observed global temperature warming trend over the past half-century. Is the Sun causing global warming? No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and goings of the ice ages. But the warming we’ve seen in recent decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth’s orbit and too large to be caused by solar activity. One of the “smoking guns” that tells us the Sun is not causing global warming comes from looking at the amount of solar energy that hits the top of the atmosphere. Since 1978, scientists have been tracking this using sensors on satellites, which tell us that there has been no upward trend in the amount of solar energy reaching our planet. A second smoking gun is that if the Sun were responsible for global warming, we would expect to see warming throughout all layers of the atmosphere, from the surface to the upper atmosphere (stratosphere). But what we actually see is warming at the surface and cooling in the stratosphere. This is consistent with the warming being caused by a buildup of heat-trapping gases near Earth's surface, and not by the Sun getting “hotter.” NASA admits the Sun isn't causing global warming^^^^ (And they do a really good job explaining why they know it's not) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 26, 2023, 04:47:36 PM ~ https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/ NASA admits the Sun isn't causing global warming^^^^ (And they do a really good job explaining why they know it's not) How in the world funny can you get? You know about the mammoths frozen in the ice in northern lands... some with grass they were eating still in their mouths and still in their stomachs. What does this mean? You might be able to think of more things, but to me it means that the Northern lands were once way warmer than they are not... maybe as warm in some areas as the African jungles. Or do you think aliens took the mammoths out of the African jungles and dropped them in Northern Siberia and Northern Canada? Lol. Look at the chart in your link. Notice that the chart goes for about 140 years. Notice on the right side that the temperature only rises over that period to the tune of 2 decrees C. That's less than 4 degrees Fahrenheit, in 140 years! Do remember the mammoths from the previous paragraph? At best, the earth is super-slowly trying to get back to normal. Now, if you look at this 140-year chart, you will see the little 11-year sun cycles plotted in. Notice how much larger the heat waves of each 11-year cycle are. But the global warming and cooling is much less, though cumulatively it adds up to a whopping less-than-4-degrees Fahrenheit in 120 years. "WORRY! WORRY! Global warming is going to get you... maybe next week!" Lol. Personally, I can't wait for the healthy, warm planet we used to have. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: OgNasty on August 26, 2023, 06:58:33 PM People are just crazy. They’ll swear to anything if it fits with their beliefs. Most liberals probably think Mars is cooler than the Earth because there isn’t any pollution on Mars. It really isn’t brain surgery. The farther from the giant flaming ball we’re circling in space you get, the cooler the temperature. That’s the main factor.
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TwitchySeal on August 26, 2023, 08:07:29 PM People are just crazy. They’ll swear to anything if it fits with their beliefs. Most liberals probably think Mars is cooler than the Earth because there isn’t any pollution on Mars. It really isn’t brain surgery. The farther from the giant flaming ball we’re circling in space you get, the cooler the temperature. That’s the main factor. Really milking your sig campaign eh? Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Hispo on August 26, 2023, 08:07:31 PM I can’t believe that the idea our temperature is determined by how far we are from the sun is considered controversial today. Is anybody going to talk about the eco-friendly straws people in certain places were forced to use being toxic? Are we really going to continue to let governments poison their citizenry in the name of climate change? Actually, Earth mantains an almost constant distance from the Sun, because its eccentricity is very close to zero. Its value is actually 0.016708. So that means that unlike other celestial objects which have a very high value, we do not experiment extreme changes of temperature because of the distance between us and our Sun is almost the constant. Mostly the change during seasons is due to the inclination of the axis of Earth, which makes the north to receive less sunlight during certain months, while the south receives most solar radiation, and viceversa for the rest of the trajectory around the sun. Quote In astrodynamics, the orbital eccentricity of an astronomical object is a dimensionless parameter that determines the amount by which its orbit around another body deviates from a perfect circle. A value of 0 is a circular orbit, values between 0 and 1 form an elliptic orbit, 1 is a parabolic escape orbit (or capture orbit), and greater than 1 is a hyperbola. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Biodom on August 26, 2023, 09:24:51 PM People are just crazy. They’ll swear to anything if it fits with their beliefs. Most liberals probably think Mars is cooler than the Earth because there isn’t any pollution on Mars. It really isn’t brain surgery. The farther from the giant flaming ball we’re circling in space you get, the cooler the temperature. That’s the main factor. Not entirely. The temperature on the surface of Venus is much higher than it should have been due to it's distance from the Sun. The cause: currently Venus has an atmosphere with 96.5% CO2, 93 bars (~93X of earth) atm pressure and the temperature on the surface is a "balmy" 467oC (872F). None of this could be "easily" explained by it's distance from the Sun. Equally, Sun's luminosity increased 30% in the last 4 bil years or so, yet the temperature on the surface remained largely stable, periodic glaciation and warming notwithstanding. The most common explanation is the presence of life. Biosphere, so far, was able to buffer the increase in Sun's luminosity, but it is predicted that this buffering capacity will run out in about 1 bil years as the Sun's luminosity continues to increase. The cause: relative short duration of the lifespan of G-type stars, like our Sun, and its eventual transformation into a red giant. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 26, 2023, 11:09:09 PM People are just crazy. They’ll swear to anything if it fits with their beliefs. Most liberals probably think Mars is cooler than the Earth because there isn’t any pollution on Mars. It really isn’t brain surgery. The farther from the giant flaming ball we’re circling in space you get, the cooler the temperature. That’s the main factor. Not entirely. The temperature on the surface of Venus is much higher than it should have been due to it's distance from the Sun. The cause: currently Venus has an atmosphere with 96.5% CO2, 93 bars (~93X of earth) atm pressure and the temperature on the surface is a "balmy" 467oC (872F). None of this could be "easily" explained by it's distance from the Sun. The earth is outside the Venus heat zone. And, it has plants to use up any excess CO2. And the more the plants, the more the earth can hold people. We need more people for the geniuses among them. They will help us find and terraform other planets. We are killing off our future with abortions. Equally, Sun's luminosity increased 30% in the last 4 bil years or so, yet the temperature on the surface remained largely stable, periodic glaciation and warming notwithstanding. The most common explanation is the presence of life. Biosphere, so far, was able to buffer the increase in Sun's luminosity, but it is predicted that this buffering capacity will run out in about 1 bil years as the Sun's luminosity continues to increase. The cause: relative short duration of the lifespan of G-type stars, like our Sun, and its eventual transformation into a red giant. I love it when people are looking into the future like a billion years. If I could look that far, I'd be rich off the stock market long ago. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 27, 2023, 12:49:56 PM I can’t believe that the idea our temperature is determined by how far we are from the sun is considered controversial today. Is anybody going to talk about the eco-friendly straws people in certain places were forced to use being toxic? Are we really going to continue to let governments poison their citizenry in the name of climate change? One of the central dogmas inculcated into the minds of the climate-cultists by their controllers is that there are too many people on the planet. Toxic soda straws are not a bug but a feature. I didn't read about the straw thing but there have been many other such instances. Very often the toxicity is associated with damage to the reproductive system. The funny thing about the climate cultists (and other cultists) is that they are very tolerant of assaults against themselves. This is especially the case the climate cultists in particular; they have been heavily programmed to blame themselves so in some weird unconscious way they justify such assaults and are thankful for them. Kinda reminds me of the people who whip and beat themselves. The roots of the population dogma can be traced back to Malthus and on through the 'elite' who have the resources to build and sustain the cult. The 'Club of Rome' from the mid 1960's is where the strategy of the modern and widespread incantation of the cult originated. Basically the principle that 'The enemy of man is man.' What's in it for 'the elite'? They already had locked up ownership and control of the earth's resources so there is little more real need to share 'their' resources with the 'useless eaters.' Another element is that the smaller number of people who need to be controlled, the cheaper, easier, and less risky the job is. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: OgNasty on August 28, 2023, 12:59:21 PM What I don’t understand is the sudden uptick in fires being started around the world by climate activists. I’m old enough to remember when climate activists were against the destruction of trees. Now they burn entire forests around the world to push their manmade climate change agenda. It’s disgusting and when liberals start showing CO2 numbers from the atmosphere next year to scare people, know it’s clearly been orchestrated.
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 28, 2023, 03:36:33 PM ^^^ Maybe burning trees and stuff, is the only way they can get enough CO2 into the atmosphere to make it look like we need climate-change control. ;D
8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: promise444c5 on August 28, 2023, 04:50:39 PM Is NASA saying human activities are not the reason for climate change ? I doubt that humans don't contribute hugely to the change in the environment, although there are natural occurrence that could affect the climate like.carbon dioxide which is emission from vehicles, there is nitrous oxide, vapour from boiling water other substances and there are more that are human activities causing change. The issue is most of the causes of climate change is human factor, smoking is also part of it. Let's just get it straight the real problem always come from us so far it's based on all our activities you are right Gozie51 . Imagine all our toxic emissions which causes some depletion ,let's just take a look at the percentage countries which still embraces grey Economy compared to those with green economy it's far comparable even those who claim to be using green economy still make use of grey and you expect no climate change. Let's use Africa as case study 90% of Africa relies on grey economy :) the climate is still even fair for now seriously Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 28, 2023, 07:41:40 PM ^^^ Maybe burning trees and stuff, is the only way they can get enough CO2 into the atmosphere to make it look like we need climate-change control. ;D That would not do it either, but these eco-clowns wouldn't know that anyway. CO2 is only a minor component of 'greenhouse gasses.' H2O is the primary one. Natural seasonal processes are the main driving force behind CO2 on a annual basis where the burning of fossil fuels by humans is way way behind anything nature does. Maybe if these climate-cultists light everything they see on fire it would have a non-inconsequential impact on the CO2 budget for a year or two, and probably next to nothing on 'climate' except for the unburnt carbon soot element of their games. Did you know that every lump of coal, drop of oil, and cubic meter of methane in the earth is dwarfed by the amount of carbon simply desolved in the ocean? Did you know that on geological time-scales, planet earth is suffering from a fairly extreme LACK of CO2 and plants are suffering for it? One of the problems is that carbon is being sequestered in the form of carbonates from shelled creatures. (Think, White Cliffs of Dover.) Some people hypothesize that 'Mother Gaia' evolved humans to try to get some carbon back to the surface. If so, we humans have a LONG way to go to have much of an effect. The whole 'eco' thing is mainly political. Wouldn't be too far off base to say 'communist' as it is this group who are more prone to the 'ends justify the means' mindset and also to the mindset of 'creating worlds/realities'. Typical Kabbalist/Lucifarian stuff. Of course the vast majority of people who are active in the 'eco' movement really are in it for the right reasons insofar as they really did fall for the 'saving the earth' storyline/spell and cannot see the scam because they don't understand how science works. Their thing is scientism. The controllers who set the agenda, however, simply want something resembling Communism as a form of government. That is to say, centralized control of resources since, of course, they expect (probably correctly) that they will be at the center. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 28, 2023, 08:22:59 PM ^^^ Well, of course. I took my car to the mechanic today. I have a place in the car where I keep a little emergency cash. It isn't out in the open. They stole $20 out of it. I know because directly before I took the car in, I counted it out, because they did it before. I wanted proof for myself.
In addition, as usual, they tried to sell me on a high$price job that could easily be fixed by changing a belt on the engine. The point is, regular people and companies are ripping people off. So, why not government officials hiring the media to convince people of climate-change. It's not illegal to lie to the people... just unconscionable. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TwitchySeal on August 28, 2023, 09:04:32 PM ^^^ Maybe burning trees and stuff, is the only way they can get enough CO2 into the atmosphere to make it look like we need climate-change control. ;D That would not do it either, but these eco-clowns wouldn't know that anyway. CO2 is only a minor component of 'greenhouse gasses.' H2O is the primary one. Natural seasonal processes are the main driving force behind CO2 on a annual basis where the burning of fossil fuels by humans is way way behind anything nature does. Maybe if these climate-cultists light everything they see on fire it would have a non-inconsequential impact on the CO2 budget for a year or two, and probably next to nothing on 'climate' except for the unburnt carbon soot element of their games. Did you know that every lump of coal, drop of oil, and cubic meter of methane in the earth is dwarfed by the amount of carbon simply devolved in the ocean? Did you know that on geological time-scales, planet earth is suffering from a fairly extreme LACK of CO2 and plants are suffering for it? One of the problems is that carbon is being sequestered in the form of carbonates from shelled creatures. (Think, White Cliffs of Dover.) Some people hypothesize that 'Mother Gaia' evolved humans to try to get some carbon back to the surface. If so, we humans have a LONG way to go to have much of an effect. The whole 'eco' thing is mainly political. Wouldn't be too far off base to say 'communist' as it is this group who are more prone to the 'ends justify the means' mindset and also to the mindset of 'creating worlds/realities'. Typical Kabbalist/Lucifarian stuff. Of course the vast majority of people who are active in the 'eco' movement really are in it for the right reasons insofar as they really did fall for the 'saving the earth' storyline/spell and cannot see the scam because they don't understand how science works. Their thing is scientism. The controllers who set the agenda, however, simply want something resembling Communism as a form of government. That is to say, centralized control of resources since, of course, they expect (probably correctly) that they will be at the center. NASA has done a great job at countering pretty much every common climate denier talking point - which all seem to follow the same formula: Include a bunch of factoids that can be easily verified as true, and then just ignore a few key facts, sneak in a lie or two and boom, you've pwned the libs! BADecker did it with the sun, and now you're doing it with fossil fuels and CO2. CO2 is only a minor component of 'greenhouse gasses.' H2O is the primary one. This is true! Not really relevant, but you've found an elegant way to frame CO2 as really not that big and just something the sheeple are overreacting to. Natural seasonal processes are the main driving force behind CO2 on a annual basis where the burning of fossil fuels by humans is way way behind anything nature does. Natural seasonal processes are a main driving force in changes to co2 levels, true! But, it's only on a seasonal basis. Here's what NASA says:Quote CO2 Through the Seasons A closer look at the carbon dioxide measurements at Mauna Loa shows a series of wiggles in the data. Although total CO2 is increasing each year, there is also a short-term cycle visible within the larger trend. https://i.gyazo.com/1358cf9e13814467b5146e4a0faf1204.png This annual rise and fall of CO2 levels is caused by seasonal cycles in photosynthesis on a massive scale. In Northern Hemisphere spring, plants come to life and draw in CO2 to fuel their growth. This begins the process of lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. In northern autumn, plant growth stops or slows down, and the whole process reverses itself. Much of the plant matter decomposes, releasing CO2 back to the atmosphere. A similar but less intense pattern repeats in the Southern Hemisphere in opposite seasons. Spring growth starts in September and winter decomposition begins in March, so CO2 records in the Southern Hemisphere show the opposite pattern of that seen in Mauna Loa. However, because there is a lot more land and vegetation in the Northern Hemisphere than the southern, the global seasonal cycle more closely aligns with the northern pattern. where the burning of fossil fuels by humans is way way behind anything nature does. Nice and ambiguous. I can't say you're wrong because you could easily make "way behind anything nature does" any two values and then argue about that instead of whether or not humans are responsible for a enough of an increase in CO2 levels that it's warming the planet. Here's the key takeaway from NASAs page all about CO2 (https://i.gyazo.com/1e68fe225187e639b8caeec926675826.png): https://i.gyazo.com/1e68fe225187e639b8caeec926675826.png https://i.gyazo.com/1e68fe225187e639b8caeec926675826.png https://i.gyazo.com/267f8467745a0b7d91812deddf049ce0.png https://i.gyazo.com/f632b0c6603b0e6cb67eec8b996f145b.png Do you have a NASA conspiracy theory to explain their stance? Or are they just bad at science? But wait, it's not just NASA....here are a few Scientific organizations that have supported the argument that humans caused climate change. (feel free to find one that's linked to George Soros or something so that you can dismiss the entire list.) Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Académie des Sciences, France Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada Academy of Athens Academy of Science of Mozambique Academy of Science of South Africa Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS) Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy of Sciences of Moldova Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science African Academy of Sciences Albanian Academy of Sciences Amazon Environmental Research Institute American Academy of Pediatrics American Anthropological Association American Association for the Advancement of Science American Association of State Climatologists (AASC) American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians American Astronomical Society American Chemical Society American College of Preventive Medicine American Fisheries Society American Geophysical Union American Institute of Biological Sciences American Institute of Physics American Meteorological Society American Physical Society American Public Health Association American Quaternary Association American Society for Microbiology American Society of Agronomy American Society of Civil Engineers American Society of Plant Biologists American Statistical Association Association of Ecosystem Research Centers Australian Academy of Science Australian Bureau of Meteorology Australian Coral Reef Society Australian Institute of Marine Science Australian Institute of Physics Australian Marine Sciences Association Australian Medical Association Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Bangladesh Academy of Sciences Botanical Society of America Brazilian Academy of Sciences British Antarctic Survey Bulgarian Academy of Sciences California Academy of Sciences Cameroon Academy of Sciences Canadian Association of Physicists Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences Canadian Geophysical Union Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Society of Soil Science Canadian Society of Zoologists Caribbean Academy of Sciences views Center for International Forestry Research Chinese Academy of Sciences Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia) Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences Crop Science Society of America Cuban Academy of Sciences Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters Ecological Society of America Ecological Society of Australia Environmental Protection Agency European Academy of Sciences and Arts European Federation of Geologists European Geosciences Union European Physical Society European Science Foundation Federation of American Scientists French Academy of Sciences Geological Society of America Geological Society of Australia Geological Society of London Georgian Academy of Sciences German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences Indian National Science Academy Indonesian Academy of Sciences Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK InterAcademy Council International Alliance of Research Universities International Arctic Science Committee International Association for Great Lakes Research International Council for Science International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences International Research Institute for Climate and Society International Union for Quaternary Research International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics International Union of Pure and Applied Physics Islamic World Academy of Sciences Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities Kenya National Academy of Sciences Korean Academy of Science and Technology Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Latin American Academy of Sciences Latvian Academy of Sciences Lithuanian Academy of Sciences Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina National Academy of Sciences of Armenia National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka National Academy of Sciences, United States of America National Aeronautics and Space Administration National Association of Geoscience Teachers National Association of State Foresters National Center for Atmospheric Research National Council of Engineers Australia National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Research Council National Science Foundation Natural England Natural Environment Research Council, UK Natural Science Collections Alliance Network of African Science Academies New York Academy of Sciences Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences Nigerian Academy of Sciences Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters Oklahoma Climatological Survey Organization of Biological Field Stations Pakistan Academy of Sciences Palestine Academy for Science and Technology Pew Center on Global Climate Change Polish Academy of Sciences Romanian Academy Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain Royal Astronomical Society, UK Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters Royal Irish Academy Royal Meteorological Society (UK) Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research Royal Scientific Society of Jordan Royal Society of Canada Royal Society of Chemistry, UK Royal Society of the United Kingdom Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences Science and Technology, Australia Science Council of Japan Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics Scripps Institution of Oceanography Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts Slovak Academy of Sciences Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts Society for Ecological Restoration International Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics Society of American Foresters Society of Biology (UK) Society of Systematic Biologists Soil Science Society of America Sudan Academy of Sciences Sudanese National Academy of Science Tanzania Academy of Sciences The Wildlife Society (international) Turkish Academy of Sciences Uganda National Academy of Sciences Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change University Corporation for Atmospheric Research Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole Research Center World Association of Zoos and Aquariums World Federation of Public Health Associations World Forestry Congress World Health Organization World Meteorological Organization Zambia Academy of Sciences Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences https://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-reaffirms-statements-climate-change-and-integrity https://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 29, 2023, 12:43:36 AM ^^^ How soon you forget. Your chart at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409280.msg60845114#msg60845114 shows us that the temperature has risen less than 4 degrees F in 140 years. You also forget that the planet is finally getting back to normal like it was in the days of the mammoths.
All the harping about global warming is not going to affect anybody for hundreds of years, at the above rate of 4 degrees per 140 years. And when you consider the mammoths and the warmth that there was back thousands of years before then, by the time that kind of warmth gets back, the whole world will have adapted. I didn't search for it, but I bet Russians like the idea of global warming. :D All we are trying to do is break Russia up. Come on. Give them their chance to live in warmth. 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: TwitchySeal on August 29, 2023, 01:14:17 AM ^^^ How soon you forget. Your chart at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409280.msg60845114#msg60845114 shows us that the temperature has risen less than 4 degrees F in 140 years. Closer to 2 degrees actually. Are you trying to argue that "I barely notice a 2* F change in temperature with my skin, therefore 2* is a very small amount and climate change is nothing to worry about" ? Maybe you're right and and the consensus among scientists is wrong. I think it's the other way around though. I didn't search for it, but I bet Russians like the idea of global warming. :D All we are trying to do is break Russia up. Come on. Give them their chance to live in warmth. Putin joined the Paris agreement in 2019 and signed a decree ordering companies to reduce their emissions. Climate change is real. It's so clear that it's real that nearly every country in the world has accepted it and is working to fight it. It's really just conspiratards and fossil fuel companies that are trying to argue it's not. And when it comes to the conspiratards all of the arguments look just like this very thread. - Conspiritard cherry picks and misinterprets data to argue it's not. (Like when you created the subject of this thread). - Someone completely disproves their claim entirely. (like when I posted this link (https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/)) - Conspiratard completely ignores all the evidence that disproves their previous argument and makes a new similarly idiotic argument and the cycle continues. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 29, 2023, 03:32:34 AM NASA and NOAA are both COMPLETELY political and fraudulent organizations. All the others rely on funding from the major wealth pools, and most of them have promoted disproportionatly the useful-idiot types who think that scientific fraud is OK as long as it promotes and adgenda (often Communism.) People who do have some respect for true science either keep their heads down or they are ejected from the industry and need to find new work. Just like in the medical field, a tiny tiny fraction of them will speak up which is why I have some confidence in what I say about these things.
CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere thus significantly diminishing the meaning of percent changes. A lot of the most agregious fraud promoted by the climate huxters revolved around making shit up about the historic records so that their graphs looked pretty. On top of that, yes, efforts to 'dim the sun' via geoengineering very well could impact, or could have already impacted, the natural processes which largely dictate the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. If they can starve off plants of the energy they need, less CO2 will be sucked out of the atmosphere and into the tissues of plants and the animals which eat them. ^^^ How soon you forget. Your chart at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409280.msg60845114#msg60845114 shows us that the temperature has risen less than 4 degrees F in 140 years. You also forget that the planet is finally getting back to normal like it was in the days of the mammoths. All the harping about global warming is not going to affect anybody for hundreds of years, at the above rate of 4 degrees per 140 years. And when you consider the mammoths and the warmth that there was back thousands of years before then, by the time that kind of warmth gets back, the whole world will have adapted. I didn't search for it, but I bet Russians like the idea of global warming. :D All we are trying to do is break Russia up. Come on. Give them their chance to live in warmth. One story I heard was that the Russians were scratching their head about this new 'global warming' thing 2 or 3 decades ago. Their intelligence agencies were tasked with figuring out what the hell it was all about. Rather quickly the answer went back upstairs: 'It's a scam - Don't worry about it.' It is noted that the same sorts of geo-engineering looking artifacts exist in the skys over Russia as exist in the West. Could be that they play ball because ultimately Russia's lands will be a lot more productive if the surface warms up a bit more. It's worth note that the first talk about 'Global Warming' was way back in the 1950's or there-abouts IIRC. It was proposed as a way to lessen the Northern ice packs and make it easier to transport goods globally. The question was how to engineer it. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 29, 2023, 04:00:05 PM ^^^ How soon you forget. Your chart at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409280.msg60845114#msg60845114 shows us that the temperature has risen less than 4 degrees F in 140 years. Closer to 2 degrees actually. Are you trying to argue that "I barely notice a 2* F change in temperature with my skin, therefore 2* is a very small amount and climate change is nothing to worry about" ? ~ What!? Now global warming depends on your skin? Looks like the climate change nuts really missed it. NASA and NOAA are both COMPLETELY political and fraudulent organizations. All the others rely on funding from the major wealth pools, and most of them have promoted disproportionatly the useful-idiot types who think that scientific fraud is OK as long as it promotes and adgenda (often Communism.) People who do have some respect for true science either keep their heads down or they are ejected from the industry and need to find new work. Just like in the medical field, a tiny tiny fraction of them will speak up which is why I have some confidence in what I say about these things. CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere thus significantly diminishing the meaning of percent changes. A lot of the most agregious fraud promoted by the climate huxters revolved around making shit up about the historic records so that their graphs looked pretty. On top of that, yes, efforts to 'dim the sun' via geoengineering very well could impact, or could have already impacted, the natural processes which largely dictate the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. If they can starve off plants of the energy they need, less CO2 will be sucked out of the atmosphere and into the tissues of plants and the animals which eat them. ^^^ How soon you forget. Your chart at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409280.msg60845114#msg60845114 shows us that the temperature has risen less than 4 degrees F in 140 years. You also forget that the planet is finally getting back to normal like it was in the days of the mammoths. All the harping about global warming is not going to affect anybody for hundreds of years, at the above rate of 4 degrees per 140 years. And when you consider the mammoths and the warmth that there was back thousands of years before then, by the time that kind of warmth gets back, the whole world will have adapted. I didn't search for it, but I bet Russians like the idea of global warming. :D All we are trying to do is break Russia up. Come on. Give them their chance to live in warmth. One story I heard was that the Russians were scratching their head about this new 'global warming' thing 2 or 3 decades ago. Their intelligence agencies were tasked with figuring out what the hell it was all about. Rather quickly the answer went back upstairs: 'It's a scam - Don't worry about it.' It is noted that the same sorts of geo-engineering looking artifacts exist in the skys over Russia as exist in the West. Could be that they play ball because ultimately Russia's lands will be a lot more productive if the surface warms up a bit more. It's worth note that the first talk about 'Global Warming' was way back in the 1950's or there-abouts IIRC. It was proposed as a way to lessen the Northern ice packs and make it easier to transport goods globally. The question was how to engineer it. So that's how the US is going to take over Russia. Convince everybody that there is global warming, and that we need to do something about it. Cool the earth down until the top half of the Northern hemisphere freezes to death. With everybody frozen to death in Russia, Siberia - and Canada - simply claim the lands for America. Lol. And throw in Maui, below. We don't have a climate crisis...we have an arson crisis. (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/349375-2023-08-28-we-dont-have-a-climate-crisis-we-have-an-arson.htm) https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jose-david-m-50b08a240_greeces-minister-has-branded-those-responsible-activity-7101554188228141056-oMu4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios Greece's minister has branded those responsible "arson scum" after a staggering 79 people were arrested over the fires... ... (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jose-david-m-50b08a240_greeces-minister-has-branded-those-responsible-activity-7101554188228141056-oMu4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios) 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on August 29, 2023, 11:35:09 PM There are simply too many climate and other items, NOT included in the 'stories' of promoters of climate change, to make those stories to be true.
Two Elephants in the Climate Change CO2 Production Room (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/349454-2023-08-29-two-elephants-in-the-climate-change-co2-production-room.htm) https://mishtalk.com/economics/two-elephants-in-the-climate-change-carbon-dioxide-production-room/ Noah Smith has a question: What about per capita emissions? I have answers. https://149905391.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Per-Capita-and-Annual-Emissions-by-Country-2021-1024x592.png Our World in Data, Per Capita and Annual CO2 Emissions bUT wHAT aBOut per cApITA ---------- Noah Smith 🐇🇺🇸🇺🇦 @Noahpinion · Follow bUT wHAT aBOut per cApITA https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4orVnva8AA_zUq?format=png&name=small ---------- Per capita emissions in the US are the worlds highest, but they are also crashing. China per capita emissions are rising fast. ... (https://mishtalk.com/economics/two-elephants-in-the-climate-change-carbon-dioxide-production-room/) 8) Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: arielbit on August 30, 2023, 10:33:33 AM if you really think about it, YOU are the carbon they want to reduce LOL!
Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BenCodie on August 30, 2023, 10:48:03 AM if you really think about it, YOU are the carbon they want to reduce LOL! If I had some merits this would be one of the posts I'd be meriting. Alongside the other very informative and factual posts here. Props to those who are pointing out the facts. I have nothing else to add because this topic is very saturated for me. Climate change propaganda is a designed to confuse, divide and instill fear into people. I believe it's as simple as that. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: tvbcof on August 30, 2023, 03:06:49 PM if you really think about it, YOU are the carbon they want to reduce LOL! If I had some merits this would be one of the posts I'd be meriting. Alongside the other very informative and factual posts here. Props to those who are pointing out the facts.I did it for you. I have nothing else to add because this topic is very saturated for me. Climate change propaganda is a designed to confuse, divide and instill fear into people. I believe it's as simple as that. And a few for you also as this is a very astute observation and well stated. I've got a ton of merit points to hand out since I don't pay much attention to the system. The thing quickly devolved into a rigged joke by the 'influencers' and their various circle-jerk schemes. Such a shame because it could have some usefulness if there were not so many sleazy assholes like the 'merit cycling club' yahoos. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: Hispo on September 04, 2023, 09:43:01 AM if you really think about it, YOU are the carbon they want to reduce LOL! I am not into conspiracy theories, but it is likely some governments around the world realized Earth won't be longer sustainable if World population continues to grow, so they are trying to pull off a population control system without actually talking directly about it, because such thing would be unconstitutional in many of the western democracies, specially in the United States. The strategy could be for people to let their fear for the future to do all the dirty job and convince them that bringing more people into this planet is not worth it or fair for them, because of how difficult life has become. Even if we see it as a scientific matter and not as a conspiracy, it is obvious we are supposed to reach a point where population stabilizes and not longer growth through time. Title: Re: NASA admits climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit... Post by: BADecker on September 04, 2023, 04:28:53 PM if you really think about it, YOU are the carbon they want to reduce LOL! I am not into conspiracy theories, but it is likely some governments around the world realized Earth won't be longer sustainable if World population continues to grow, so they are trying to pull off a population control system without actually talking directly about it, because such thing would be unconstitutional in many of the western democracies, specially in the United States. The strategy could be for people to let their fear for the future to do all the dirty job and convince them that bringing more people into this planet is not worth it or fair for them, because of how difficult life has become. Even if we see it as a scientific matter and not as a conspiracy, it is obvious we are supposed to reach a point where population stabilizes and not longer growth through time. People in Governments, and the wealthy elite, are absolutely having difficulty. They have two major options: 1. Develop the world so that it can hold tens of billions more; 2. Control the world by reducing its population, because there are way too many people to control effectively already. If governments and the elite worked with and for the people rather than against them, there is almost no upper limit for the number of people the world could sustain. And if the world had more people, and the government and elite working for and with them, the additional geniuses that would be born would figure out how to open up and 'terraform' other planets so we could pick up out rightful heritage and populate the universe. I mean, God knew just how large the earth was when He created it. He knew that in that original perfection, people would be populating it faster than rabbits or mink. So what if people messed His original plan up through sin? Stop messing the plan up, and develop the population so we can do what God had in mind originally... populate the universe. 8) |