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Title: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Vvang on August 10, 2022, 12:02:28 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: _act_ on August 10, 2022, 12:09:04 PM
Most fake projects plagiarized white paper of another project, you can easily tell that a project is fake if plagiarized white paper is used. White paper contains the information about a project for you to know the aims and objectives of the project, it is good to consider reading it. But having legit white paper does not still guarantee a project not to still fail or resulting to pump and dump.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Apocollapse on August 10, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
Actually anything e.g. whitepaper, roadmap, team, use cases, social media etc are pointless since it's just a promise from the CEO and you wouldn't know the aim of the CEO behind the project. He may want to get $1 Million and then run away with investors money, he may offer a privacy oriented use cases, but after SEC force them to regulating his project, he will change the coin to centralized and so on.

The best thing is stick with Bitcoin and avoid the rest since it's full of shitcoins.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: NeuroticFish on August 10, 2022, 12:12:01 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.

If you are asking for this then I think that you're already doing something wrong.
Be careful because most projects (tokens, altcoins, whatever) don't live up their promises (some are scam, some become scam, some are just unlucky or bad projects) and you will be tempted to invest your money into those.
You may want to stick with Bitcoin until you understand (much!) better all those "offers". (LOL, previous post also tells "stick with bitcoin")


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Maus0728 on August 10, 2022, 12:28:58 PM
Whitepaper still does matter but not with coins/tokens that appears nowadays out of thin air with unrealistic claims.

Read the whitepaper of bitcoin and major altcoins instead rather than those low volume cap tokens/coins because doing so will be far more helpful to your technical grasp of how other coins work as well as helping you pick which other assets to buy.

After that you'll realize that the whitepaper of emerging ICO's/tokens are pretty much a copy paste version of what bitcoin or any other top altcoins that offers the same solution to a problem.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Z-tight on August 10, 2022, 12:40:02 PM
For a crypto beginner if you will be reading the bitcoin whitepaper1, then it is good, it may be difficult for you to understand though, especially if you are not too much into tech, but there are other simpler articles2 & 3 that can be much better for non-tech people to read and understand bitcoin without reading the whitepaper. Altcoin projects most times have plagiarized whitepaper, and even if the whitepaper is written by the project and not plagiarized, it often contains things that the projects cannot achieve, for example a project's whitepaper can read that "they are going to change the digital financial system for good", but they have no usefulness to do that, you can call it a "white elephant project". Some of these whitepapers are poorly written with bad grammar and many other flaws, altcoin whitepapers many times can't tell you correctly what to expect from them.

  • https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
  • https://learnmeabitcoin.com/
  • https://bitcoin.org/en/how-it-works


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on August 10, 2022, 12:54:05 PM
The whitepaper usually represents the face of the project. You should receive all the information on the idea and further use of the project. Good projects produce a fairly informative document, and in addition, they have a team that you can ask for all the subtleties that you do not understand. But what happens in most cases? A whitepaper is created, consisting of one or two pages, in which usually there is nothing significant, but simply in order to supposedly have this document. And another important factor is that the documents are simply copied. This already signals the upcoming scam.

But we should not deceive ourselves with the presence of all the points by which we usually assume that the project is legal. Some do not spare money either on advertising or on creating a colorful white document. However, in the end, the projects turn out to be scams.

As you know, cryptocurrency is a very risky business, and those who are more skeptical prefer to invest in bitcoin.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: BitMaxz on August 10, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
The whitepaper is still needed because all information you need is there before you invest in the project. Investors are always reading the whitepaper first to decide if the project is a scam or if it has a future to grow. All you need as an investor is already in the whitepaper. Just be careful on another whitepaper that looks legit and has the potential to grow but the whole thing is fake if it is plagiarized just like the other said above.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on August 10, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research?
In the same way you're not in the position to verify claims or statistics from medical researches because you're not a doctor, you can't understand complicated whitepapers if you're not a mathematician or cryptographer. It is strongly recommended to try to understand, which as unlikely to happen might "push" you to learn something new, even if you don't succeed.

The Bitcoin whitepaper is the easiest opposed to the rest. As a beginner who wants to get involved, you should firstly comprehend that.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Beparanf on August 10, 2022, 02:16:48 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.

Those people that saying it doesn’t matter are same people that usually invest on scam projects. Whitepaper contains all about the detail of the project. It’s the only thing you need to tell the credibility of the project and what it's structure. Ignoring the whitepaper is just investing on a project blindly. Skipping the plagiarism part, A good project whitepaper will not contain a recycled idea which you will know if you will read whitepaper of different project.

Whitepaper is the most important thing in the project. You should pay attention on it and DYOR always.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: royalfestus on August 10, 2022, 02:30:43 PM
Most fake projects plagiarized white paper of another project, you can easily tell that a project is fake if plagiarized white paper is used. White paper contains the information about a project for you to know the aims and objectives of the project, it is good to consider reading it. But having legit white paper does not still guarantee a project not to still fail or resulting to pump and dump.
Because fake projects plagiarize whitepaper does not reduce the importance of whitepaper, all projects must have whitepaper. We just need to look beyond whitepaper to determine a viable project. Even real projects fail, could be hacked and could later scam. At the moment investors are still learning  and new scam idea are coming up daily in crypto, that is the reason for good investment strategy, not putting all your investment in a project.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: mk4 on August 10, 2022, 04:38:42 PM
If you want to go a bit more technical, sure. But for most people, not really. There are a lot of resources out there that's easier to grasp for the day-to-day non-technical person.

* If you like reading articles: https://coindesk.com/learn
* If you like reading books: https://theinternetofmoney.info/
* If you like watching videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPQwGV1aLnTuN6kdNWlElfr2tzigB9Nnj


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: hd49728 on August 10, 2022, 04:42:23 PM
If you are newbies, don't read whitepaper because scammers will write very attractive ones to make you believe in their projects.

If you read, don't trust in white paper that is too good in graphics and have too many good promises in technology and finance.

You can skip white paper of new or upcoming projects, and only choose projects that have 4 or 6 years in history to invest. If they exist 4 or 6 years, they are not scam and no rug pull.

If you know how to use explorers, use it to check token distribution. If distribution is too centralized, risk of rug pull.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: crwth on August 10, 2022, 05:04:08 PM
I think that's a need for what they will put up in whatever project. It's always going to be a reference to how much a project can do or something. If you were to say that it doesn't matter, then it's just a shitcoin with plagiarized stuff inside it or something. Unless it has become something of a viral project, it should be notable to what it will be and what it will show.

Most current and notable projects have their whitepaper in an easy and readable way, but as for the original one, it's a research paper. So I guess it could be a source of doubt as well? It is better to check their results instead of just the whitepaper itself.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Ketesnuko on August 10, 2022, 05:46:49 PM
Whitepapers should not be used as a buying signal, it consists of how a project is functioning, its good to go through Whitepaper after you are certain about the project but do not let it be your buying signal, look into team and the project utility.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: SatoPrincess on August 10, 2022, 06:38:17 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.
Yes I think the whitepaper matters to an extent, though many projects plagiarize their whitepaper from other projects. It makes it easy to know a scam project when they  plagiarize the whitepaper of other legitimate projects.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: royalfestus on August 10, 2022, 06:50:10 PM
If you are newbies, don't read whitepaper because scammers will write very attractive ones to make you believe in their projects.

If you read, don't trust in white paper that is too good in graphics and have too many good promises in technology and finance.

You can skip white paper of new or upcoming projects, and only choose projects that have 4 or 6 years in history to invest. If they exist 4 or 6 years, they are not scam and no rug pull.

If you know how to use explorers, use it to check token distribution. If distribution is too centralized, risk of rug pull.
experience will help everyone to read whitepaper, it took me time to know what to look at in whitepaper. There are no guarantee that a 4 year and more project can be succesful, I used to beleive in that until the last cycle came with new hype like the Defi, NFTs etc. that left bitcoin hardfork coin, privacy tokens etc out of the cycle. However, some project idea will last several cycle eg. exchange coin that have several used cases like IEO, transaction fee, blockchain


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: suzanne5223 on August 10, 2022, 07:04:35 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.
I think the people that said whitepaper of a crypto project doesn't matter don't know the benefit of it because whitepaper is like a room where the project establishes itself as a credible project, address the investor's interest, and gives more insight about the project concept. Besides, most start-up project in which Dragonfly Capital Partners, Anthony Pompliano, etc invested was able to convince them through their official whitepaper. Tell me why is whitepaper not important?


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Bhig Daddy on August 10, 2022, 09:46:48 PM
Whitepaper shows you the aim and objectives of the project, it show you how a the roadmap on how a project want to archives it goal, but also have in mind that it still doesn't guarantee that the project will be a success. So it is very considerate to read the Whitepaper.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: JoyMarsha on August 10, 2022, 10:45:26 PM
The whitepaper is known as a detailed or authoritative report. It contains a detailed breakdown of what the project is to offer and how they plan to go about it in the future terms. Every project has its whitepaper that is different from the other. Some are plagiarized, sugar-coated by a paid writer and also have unreliable information.
In crypto, most of the projects don't go by the timeline they have in their whitepaper. They keep failing to deliver on the timeframe promises according to their whitepaper.
The whitepaper is just full of empty promises, lies and uncorroborated findings. Reading a project whitepaper is okay but don't put their plans at heart


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Taskford on August 10, 2022, 11:22:44 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.

For sometimes it matters because you can see the whole break down on where there project heading as well you can also see if they just put a serious details and not copied ones. But don't give to much weight on what they have written on the whitepaper because for sure not all the project will follow it and also even if how good they are base on their whitepaper their are tendency that they turn scam so best do always your due diligence and always secure your money or profits upon putting up your investments on risky projects around.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Rufsilf on August 10, 2022, 11:29:59 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.
One thing to look into in a certain project if it is reliable or not is the whitepaper but for now, it looks like it is one way to fool investors. Because the truth is that not all investors care enough to read the entire thing, not are able to recognize if that project is legit or not. Sadly, whitepapers now become the reason why people lose their money, unlike how people valued this before. It is very unfortunate that the market changes almost everything and it was really hard to tell which project is legit and sustainable long-term.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: libert19 on August 10, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
You may find lack of it, but it doesn't really matter.
 
This is perfect representation of most icos, product described in wp and actual release. The projects with millions raised turn out to be like projects created by high schoolers.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob5097abe4c3e08605.jpeg


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: AmoreJaz on August 10, 2022, 11:38:19 PM
You may find lack of it, but it doesn't really matter.
 
This is perfect representation of most icos, product described in wp and actual release. The projects with millions raised turn out to be like projects created by high schoolers.

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you got it right! most of the time, you will read a lot of well-written whitepapers, a very comprehensive one but once they launched their product or services, it is a big disappointment. so you should not really rely on wp itself when you evaluate a certain project but how they will implement it. it is still a vital part of any project though, because that's where you will see if the team is serious about their project. you can get insights on how well they prepared for their project when you view the content of their wp.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Marvell1 on August 11, 2022, 03:08:24 AM
Plagiarism aside, the whitepaper is considered the first part to consider before we want to invest in a project. Whitepaper is a very important thing of a project, for us investors, it is equally important, the whitepaper contains full information about the project, ideas, development roadmap, purpose...

A perfect whitepaper cannot guarantee a successful project, the theory is like that, but when you start to implement it, there will be many unexpected problems arising. So the whitepaper is only the first step in evaluating the project, it takes many combinations to be able to determine whether the project is worth the investment or not.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: 2stout on August 11, 2022, 03:58:39 AM
Of course it is, can't seeing this ever not being a thing.  A project, coin, or token without a white paper is basically a dead giveaway to stay away.  Of course a white paper itself doesn't mean scam free but absence of one typically indicates scamtastic.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: 5W-KILO on August 11, 2022, 05:53:33 AM
There are projects with worse-looking white paper, just black and white ink and nothing more yet they deliver the best, go and look at LTC, Dash and others whitepaper, not colourful or attractive looking like some projects that later ran down, investigation on crypto projects should be on the actual team.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Juicy_D on August 12, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.

In as much as reading through the white paper is not the only tool when Fundamentally assessing a project. It's always good to read the white paper to have a background knowledge of the project.  No good or bad project is without a whitepaper. Yes, white paper is still a thing .


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Issa56 on August 12, 2022, 02:46:32 PM
I think project whitepaper is very important in a project, a project that those not have a white paper I don't think people will trust the project, nobody knows what they want to achieve or what the project is all about, so nobody will definitely want to invest in the project. whitepaper always gives the breakdown about the project their aim and what they are planning to achieve, actually a project having a well detailed whitepaper those not mean the project will be successful is the market, but the whitepaper will help investors know what the project is all about.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: cheezcarls on August 12, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
It’s usually necessary for every project to have a whitepaper because that’s where we be learning some in-depth information on what we are trying to invest into. However, before we believe in such project, we always see if the whitepaper has some content being ripped off from the other projects that would result to an act of plagiarism.

Right here on Bitcointalk we usually do not tolerate such acts like that. In other words, zero tolerance on it. Let’s just be cautious and do our own diligence guys. Even those websites that are beautifully designed are also having plagiarized whitepapers too, even if it’s not their own intention like hiring someone outside who will be writing it on their behalf.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: nakamura12 on August 12, 2022, 03:33:12 PM
I think whitepaper is still a thing for project owners but for me it doesn't mean anything as the whitepaper they show to people are only their plan/goal for their project. If it is successful what is in the whitepaper then it's good news for their investors but if it isn't the it's just a plan/goal they wanted to achieve but failed to do so as they spread it to wherever they can find promote theit project like Bitcointalk for example. It's either successful or failed.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Rengga Jati on August 12, 2022, 11:56:23 PM
For a crypto beginner like me is the so-called whitepaper some I should count on when doing research? people are still talking about the whitepaper of crypto projects but few people said it doesn't matter.
In my opinion, yes exactly.
Whitepaper, we can get enough information about the project from the whitepaper. But, this is not the only one for you to consider and research if the project is good or not. Because many scammers also create their whitepaper as good as they can, very promising. Howeve,r they are scammers. That is why I said that WP is one of the eelements to analyze of a project, but not the one. COnsider also to research their team,promotions, utility, social media, and also others to ensure the research and also decrease the scam risks.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Darker45 on August 13, 2022, 04:48:45 AM
Yes, of course. Since you're doing a research on a certain project, you shouldn't skip reading its whitepaper. The whitepaper is everything the project is all about. Whether the developers will stick to what they're writing on their whitepaper or not is a different story. Whether the whitepaper will prove to be mere lies in the end does not mean that whitepapers are not a thing. The point is that the whitepaper is the primary source of information when it comes to knowing and understanding a particular project.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Kalchef on August 13, 2022, 12:38:25 PM
Right now i am moved to check projects whitepaper only after I am confused enough about what the team are building, the whitepaper is the last thing I checked out in every projects.


Title: Re: Whitepaper still a thing?
Post by: Z-tight on August 13, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Right now i am moved to check projects whitepaper only after I am confused enough about what the team are building, the whitepaper is the last thing I checked out in every projects.
Uh...i don't know how wise that is, if you check the whitepaper last, what then do you check first, the whitepaper is what gives you information on "what the team is building", how then does checking it last help settle your confusion as to what they are building, since you never did read it at the beginning how do you even know what they promised to build so to get you confused that they are now deviating. ::)