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This has been a contentious issue and a common discussion under online gambling for a long time... and I want us to talk about this too. 

How does the "Paid" Streamers ..influence other gamblers experience? So, the common assumption is that "Paid" streamers basically have limitless funds that are paid by the casinos. They can play, until the Slot pays them, where other people play until their money runs out. (This is a misconception obviously, because the outcome of each bet is determined by it's seed and the Slots variance and RTP)

People are also saying that "Paid" streamers are basically "sweeping" all money that are being played by others on those specific slots. (You often hear people saying... "I cannot play XXX Slot now, because streamer YYY won big on that Slot) - If I am correct... all funds that are played in a casino goes into one "Pot" .....and wins are paid out of that... or in the case of a Jackpot system.. into a "Pot" at the 3rd party service provider. (Is this true or false...any experts out there that can clear this up?)

Just to make something clear .... not all Streamers of gambling content are "Paid" streamers or affiliates of casinos.... some use their own money. (Example : Syztmz)

Can a "Paid" streamer or an expert from a casino... please help with some factual inputs, so that we can clear up any misconceptions?

On the flip side of the coin..... Some people believe that "Paid" streamers are actually "feeding" or "funding" other people's large wins. They can only "sweep" other peoples funds, when they win.... if someone else win before them... the opposite happens... right?

Let's discuss.... and enjoy this thread please.  ;)

Actually only Drake and Eddie are the only streamer that I know that doing paid advertisement and the rest of the streamers that I’m watching is just streaming for views and content on youtube. Paid or not, I think it’s still the same because they are both showcasing playing gambling. They also just have a limited balance balance for gambling so it’s still feel the same on watching both.

The only thing I like the most on paid streamers are there giveaways. They are giving huge amount on the winners since it’s sponsored compared on DIY streamer that just using there own money.

I want to talk only about slot streamers and they don't influence the outcome of the game,in fact when someone hits big in a slot machine chances are it will continue to give payouts further because most likely the slot is full of money and it is in the state where it should regulate itself to meet the RTP requirements.

Most of them are paid by gambling companies but they do not influence your chances to win no matter how much they make,the only thing that they influence is my mood which goes really high in a good manner when I see they hit the bonus round with the maximum bet and make those huge wins every slot player is after.

We should invite streamers we know to know if they are getting paid by the casino or using their own funds to gamble.
This will certainly clear up any misconceptions but regardless if it is a paid streamer or an unpaid streamer, it is the gambler's responsibility if it is about gambling.
Here we play gambling and it uses our money so if we see the streamers win multiple times or win a lot, we have to think that luck may be with them or they benefit from the casino because they get paid.
As far as I know, they serve content for viewers and if anyone joins through the threads they provide, those streamers earn extra money apart from the money they get from video uploading sites like Youtube and maybe some extra money from the casino.
Whether it is paid or not will depend on how we judge them and I don't think it's a misunderstanding.

Why is it obvious to you that this is a misconception? Can you give at least one argument in favor of this? If a streamer has a contract with a casino, then he plays for fake money and does not risk anything. He can "lose" a million before he gets a 200k jackpot and then he will promote the clip everywhere where he "wins" it. An ordinary player is deprived of such an opportunity, since in most cases his money will run out much earlier than he receives any big win.

As for the relationship between the results of the game of the streamer and ordinary players, this is of course nonsense - the results of games in the casino for separate players are completely independent.

AFAIK, Paid streamers only just get additional balance for there payment but still they are using there funds to gamble in the casino. xQc is the best example here because he lose his own money on the process of gambling via livestream including his payment. Not all casino offers payment in cash but some streamers just receive extra bonus in there deposit and they have special referral fee when someone sign up using there affiliate link.

I don't think that's how it works? And even if the game they play is like what you said, I don't think the casino that would sponsor them would tell them to play on that specific game since as you said, it kills the entire pot, at least for a certain amount of time. The casinos in no way would ever influence the chances of a streamer winning, that'd require them to do some backdoor rigging which would have probably been noticed in the long term imo. The most I could say that is like that would be some online crane streams where staff would assist in trying to make it a "tad bit" easier to get the prize BUT letting the viewers know that it's actually happening, and not a "behind the scenes" kind of thing.

They're mostly there for enjoyment, and maybe for a casino hyping their events up or something. Maybe giveaways as well as prizes, promos, etc. Most of the stuff that a viewer receives from a streamer are just "add-ons", they'd still gamble imo as usual without it or not. It's just a nice bonus, a cherry on top.

I've watched some paid gambling streamers a lot of times but I don't feel persuaded by what they're doing. Maybe because I don't find the games interesting or that I know the result in the end. Also, the platforms that they are playing on are usually those that are not within my 'line', or it just doesn't fit my preference. They are not entertaining enough for me to be persuaded, even though they are winning a lot and it looks good on the eye. Maybe I'm the sensible type of gambler that knows that these sessions are rigged but idk.

I've also heard of this, to be part of a gambling streamer, they will only get a balance, not paying cash. They will get bonuses from referrals which may be more than non-streamers because it will be easier to put a referral link in their profile. But, if the streamer has thousands or tens of thousands of views, I think the streamer will also ask for cash. because visitors, followers and viewers of live stream will provide more benefits for advertisers, so it is very normal for streamer ask cash payment. Because this will become win win solutions.

I'm no sure if an expert here will come up and give us the real scores behind. And regarding the "sweeping", I'm not aware of that as well, as far as I know yes there are pots for that particular slots, and if so someone win big and take the jackpot he will be paid and the jackpot price is reset at the baseline money, which means it is back to 0 again and reset and by design, it might take sometime again before that slot will give up the jackpot to some lucky players.

Most provably those famous streamers can influence the existing experience gamblers thru competition they input on their minds, they always project that gambling is fun and profitable especially when they show the highlights of their big gains since for sure many people will turn on their interest to follow what the streamers do and compete them to aim much bigger wins since this is pleasurable to other to see that they also win the same with their favorite streamer.

It actually depends on the streamers as some of them are honestly good on influencing people during their live sessions to gamble even if we know that they are being paid to stream the gambling platform or casino. Also, only a few streamers has unlimited funds or probably they are playing outside the poll of each game which will not affect the jackpot prize. It is like they are playing on a "test server" where various parameters has been set.

I guess, it's best to watch those streamers that are not affiliated to the casino but still choose to play on those platform as I find their stream more genuine.

If you want an honest review independent streamers are the go-to guys to watch, not those showing affiliate links in their description, or shilling too much for the casino where they are getting paid, I just don't feel these paid streamers can come out with a better or fair review of the site it's up to the gamblers or their followers if they buy these fake review and too many shillings because, in the end, they are the one who will deposit and play and will solve their own issue if they run issue with the casino they are playing.
Gamblers are responsible for who to trust to lead them in the casinos they are going to play.

Aren't paid streamers has something pinned on their live video with something like the logo of a casino? Maybe gambling streamers are just doing it for affiliate or something that will try their referral links, after all there are folks out there that are still searching for gambling contents. Maybe with sheer luck they'll get noticed and support them, even just one can make a difference over it.

Am just getting fussed when we are talking of streaming. I thought that streaming is same thing as gambling. But don't be offended because i do not understand the language stream. Is it like gambling or it's game that is under the jurisdiction of casino game. I need more explanation concerning this two things, incase I'm contradictory all this in the name of gambling kind of way or another branches of gambling. I need more wisdom concerning this.

There's money to be made in affiliate marketing, especially in casino-based affiliates, you only need at least 5 whales to make a lot of money without doing much work its the best residual income, the majority of casinos offer a percentage on deposits and more incentives coming from your referred actions and betting results, streamers are good in referring people because they are performer and artist and they are good at convincing people, I've seen some streamers who are very excited on what they are doing, they have to do this to compel their viewers to join through their affiliate links.

Yeah I get that but I think when it comes to getting people it will be credited to streamers as they are the one that has more reach and with just a simple ads on noticeable platforms like YouTube, Twitch, Discord for gambling, it's huge. I think second to get people on the platform are through contests and bounties or are they even top to get more people?

I don't believe if a streamer hits a big jackpot they can sweep all gamblers on the same provider and game, usually it depends on the RTP. Influencing other gamblers to play according to their pattern and style is usually like that, but it is up to other gamblers too because of that not all can follow their playing pattern. Also money they can spend is not small but it runs out fast and different to other real gambler the average is always thinking of ways to stay long in game to win.

I have never heard someone told that their losses are going to the streamer's win. If somebody has told that, basically, that gambler is just looking for someone to blame for his losses. This is typical when they're in a losing streak because it's hard to accept.

What I know with these paid streamers, the money they're putting in is for real and it has a limitation. The casino that they advertise allows them to win and lose and it depends on their contract if the money will be claimed back by the casino or not.

I was just thinking about how the streamer could influence the audience so that they could visit the casino site and end up gambling there. I think if the streamer can provide a live video about their gambling game, the audience will like it and follow what the streamer is doing, especially if they are loyal followers of the streamer. Viewers will not think about where the money used by the streamer comes from and whether the streamer gets paid from the casino or something else because what viewers want is an exciting spectacle from their favorite streamer. What is clear, the streamer will get paid if someone joins through his video channel and uses a lot of money to play gambling.

These are the kind of streamers worth following, they tell us the truth and they are transparent and they are not biased about what they are streaming

I seldom watch streamers I prefer the discussion here in BItcointalk, independent streamers are like us they lose money and make a profit, but it's different for paid streamers  I read that some paid streamers are manipulating their results because they are paid to shill casino that paid them to shill.
When it comes to trust in gambling you should put it to someone who is not paid to shill, you cannot extract the truth from these streamers.

It is definitely the reason why there are streamers and paid streamers, the distinction is clearly in the name. If you have no affiliation with any casino and use your own money, the person is just a streamer, but if you are somehow been assisted by a casino either financially or with free spins, the person is a paid streamer.

People say a lot of things, you just have to be aware that even though many people may say the same thing, it doesn't mean they are always correct and you should always try to find out the truth for yourself, and that's all I can say.

This actually depends on the streamer if they are affiliated with the said gambling website.

I remember back in the days, various YouTubers streamed and advertised a specific gambling website. But in reality, they were affiliated and had a stake on it. The owner of the website also seemed to provide him with limitless funds in order to deceive the public into showing that the chances of winning are high.

Though this might be the case, there are only a few streamers who actually gamble using their own funds. I think this is a case where a streamer just enjoys the act of gambling. He does not care whether the company chooses to pay him to advertise or not; what matters is that he/she gambles.

I personally do not trust streamers i general (either paid or not) and do not advise the rest to follow their advice even if they know them personally.
The streamers who promote sites that they are not sure of their credibility and have not tried them enough, or at least check the available reviews about them.
Lately I have been following the case of Bitlucy, a scammer casino that mainly relied for its propaganda on these streamers who only care about who pays them the most. One of them was said that he had won thousands of dollars and was able to withdraw them to his wallet, while the platform at the time did not have a payment system working at all. This led to great losses for users, especially since the promotion was for the bonuses that the user would get for the first deposit .

I don't really know about the big streamers there but maybe in this case I want to reflect on the streamers on slot sites in my country who really do get paid for it.
Some of them even said quite clearly that their account was indeed shared by the provider site to be played and it looked like it was real even though it was just a setting that it was as if they got a lot of money there even though it was a pseudo thing that indeed the victory had already been won. settings and money in the account cannot be withdrawn.
Surprisingly even though there are some things like that already said even from the streamer but there are still naive people who are still there.

Paid streamers have a great influence over their audience.  Aside from showing the specifics of a game, and the casino promotion, they also enticed viewers to try the game with their referral code.  Streamers wether will always have an influence on the gambling experience of other people;

About a paid streamer winning huge, I do not think it has an effect on the game since the game result is always random.

This is not a new thing that many of these streamers are being paid by casinos to influence other gamblers through their winnings. This is a other revenue opportunity for successful streamers to earn big through what they know best.

They are paid streamers and through their impressive results, other gamblers are trigged to join the same gambling platform and place bettings. How it works is, streamers posts there results on social platforms and when people see it they can be influenced to make some betting on the gambling site.

 

The advantage of being paid streamers is that despite if they lose in the games, they still manage to get profits from the casino owner so they never go home empty handed. Unlike for most of the gamblers, they are self providers so they should always consider gambling at their own risk. Lucky or not, gambling should never be tolerated and should only gamble for the allocated funds, otherwise you will suffer badly from all your losses. Streamers whether paid or not, I believe they still gamble with luck along.

They're the ones who could attract and temp their audience to play and gamble as they uplift the site that they're promoting. They do it for their benefit regardless of the legitimacy of the site. They also make their audience believe that the site could make them have continuous winnings which can create false hope. They can deceive and influence their audiences to have misconceptions about the site.

Influencers are known for being hired by such sites to promote their gambling site. There is nothing wrong with that in itself. That is the type of revenue model. I once read an article with which amounts these people earn. Judging by that data, we can safely conclude that the influence of an influencer on the gambling world is enormous. Gamblers have more confidence when they see a well-known streamer or influencer playing on a gambling site and especially when they see that large sums of money are won there. In the end, it is just a matter of trust.

These are purely misconceptions because if we are talking fairness and its been applied naturally on all players on a certain provider then it would really be having equal chances or odds on winning a game.

It doesnt matter if you are funded or using sponsored money or making use of real funds came from your pocket.It would really be just a natural concept if you do win big the its understandable that on the other side

there are people who are losing that much and same goes when a streamer losses then there are people who are winning on the other side.It would really be just a common sense
considering this is how gambling works on a fair way.

I remember a case from some years ago about a Youtuber which promoted a Counter Strike gambling webpage. He recorded himself gambling and eventually winning thousands of dollars in skins for Counter Strike, it turns out he owned the website and he ommited that information on purpose.
There is nothing wrong about an influencer promoting gambling services, but they should avoid putting themselves in situations which would result in serious backlash from their viewers and the rest of the community of influencers.

In general, I have noticed that Youtubers which are mostly into videogames promote services to adquire games and codes at discount rather than gambling services, and those who promote gambling services, do so with those that have something to do with videogames, like the example I just gave with Counter Strike gambling.

I don't believe that paid streamers ruin the experience for others by jinxing the game, siphoning funds, or making it somehow harder for other people to win.
Those who have a deal with casinos have their accounts on special treatment like if they go into large debt and lose a lot of games they don't have to pay it back, but usually they're given an amount of money to spend and if they go over the limit that's coming from their own pocket. I don't feel like the games are rigged in any way so that streamers can win. Streamers also lose.

I dont really believe also because we are just all players whether you are a streamer or not it would really be just on equal chance whether you do win or not because if thats the case that there's some
imbalance or rigging up odds or chances of winning then the provider would be the one who would really be taking the blame and since people are really that keen on seeing odd things or something
not right or somethings wrong then be prepared on answering up those questions and able to answer or prove out that there's no fairness issue happening because
if it does then it would really be affecting reputation overall.

Streamers makes money by streaming and they can earn more if they enter into a partnership with those casinos so maybe some scammer will use their own money first but if they get the attention of the site they are playing probably there’s a chance for them to enter into a contract which benefits both parties.

We actually don’t know since some streamers are not disclosing this one. You can stream even if you are not paid by the site, its really up to you especially if you are a real gambler and that’s your content.

The discussion about being an "influencer" is subjective to me.

There are cases where viewers just follow a specific streamer, not because of gambling content but maybe they really followed that streamer for long regardless of the content. It means since they know deeply the streamer, all of its content will get support no matter what the subject is.

There are also cases where viewers follow a specific steamer because of giveaways but in return, these people are not actually playing on a gambling site that is featured on that streamer's content.

For me, there's no need for any deep discussion about this but just enjoy the content of the streamer we want to follow.

We cannot put them all in one basket. There are more shady casinos that have and will pay streamers and cover all their expenses and even rig their games to lure players in with promises of easy money.

That said, there will be streamers who make money from donations on twitch and spend those donations in casinos and the businesses don't even know they'll be playing their games. I prefer streamers who don't have sponsorships but do it for fun.

I doubt that such streamers exists in significant numbers. Most of streamers is paid by casino to promote it service. Or to dishwash money from columbian cocaine leaders  ;D


This is wrong, because most of such streamers, at least in such countries as russia, play with a fake money given to them by casino. This money doesn't affect jack-pot probability to other gamblers.

Influencers usually picky on choosing what to advertise since this can ruin their reputation if they introduce bad projects and that’s why they focused on their income from streaming than to have a partnership with any project, that means they can play whatever they like without any pressure of getting bashed because they didn’t advertise at all. If some streamers advertised a site or a project then it’s ok because that is extra money for them and we should not always depend on those advertisements, we should still analyze on our own and know if the site is really ok to use or not at all.

Well, for sure they don't influence me! :)

Jokes on a side, I can consider myself old in some way, and I don't find these paid streams interesting! But apparently, young people and minors are watching these streams and they believe that playing slots can make them rich! And that is a problem! Slots are a special gambling game, simply said it's a crazy game, and it's not good to get into slots if you don't know what's waiting for you! Big wins happen, but not so often as paid streamers show it, and for sure before "the big win" you can spend an equal fortune, or even more!

There are some cool streamers that are playing with normal stakes, and while they stream they often talk about how playing slots is all about luck, they inform people that people should not risk more then they can afford to lose when it comes to gambling, especially when it comes to slots! But youngsters don't like that, they like big stakes and big wins... it's why paid streamers have more followers and make more damage!

I agree that not all streamers are being sponsored by the casino since there is a requirement to be sponsored by a casino.  Those who don't meet the requirement gamble with their own money.  These are small-time streamers, and new streamer trying their luck in the industry.


They are not fake money, they are called sponsored money because the money used is real money owned by the sponsoring casino.

If there’s a good offer probably those streamers can’t say no to that, they are gamblers and we are talking about streamers here that focuses on gambling, I doubt if they can really say no to the offer and if that guy is still not into any partnership, then probably he is making a lot of money from streaming alone and don’t want to hurt his reputation because that’s his main stream. It’s really ok to go into a partnership with the site, just make sure its a good and legit site so you can still be safe.

They really need to protect their reputation because it's their source of income but did you know having your basher can also increase traffic in your channel so this can be good no unless you introduce scam projects.

Streamers know when to have a deal with the gambling site, If I'm an influencer I will also choose the top site because there's a lesser risk that it will turn out into a scam project. Some may not have to deal with the other site and I believe them, especially if they are into gambling for many years now and still doing the same stream all the time. This might be a good extra profit for those streamers but I guess some are also afraid and don't want to do that because of many restrictions and requirements.

I used to see people telling that the money given is fake money and they're thinking like that because it's a sponsored one. You're right that it's not fake money because technically, it's real money.

The casino sponsors the money these streamers go to on their stream for betting. It's part of the marketing but we don't know what's with the winnings if the streamer can claim, although it's possible so that the viewers can say it's legit if they show the streamer is cashing out.

that's what we don't know about. if they have prior arrangements once the streamer wins big time. of course, they won't disclose whatever is happening behind the curtain. their goal is basically attract as many players as they can. bottomline, better do your own digging when it comes to casino. most streamers are click bait with what they are endorsing with.

Paid streamers show the beauty of online gambling by betting huge amount of money (which is possibly sponsored by the casino they are promoting ) and winning.  This kind of scenario has huge impact on viewers.  Streamers inculcates an idea of winning huge that triggers interest of the person watching the stream.


If I am not mistaken, I heard that they have a percentage on the winnings.  I happen to read it on one of the comment on the gambling video in YT.

I'm sure most viewers are not being influenced by those streamers. It's just that they love the content and they actually gamblers. Sometimes, there are promotions to lure the viewers to that stream like there's a big giveaway, rewards, or something along those lines but don't really follow what the streamer is doing on its content.

On the part of paid streamers, we should not take this as a big deal that they are not playing seriously. Surely, they are playing seriously even with the use of partnership's funds since the goal is to establish a win on that content. The same RTP and chances of winning are applied regardless of where the credits used came from.

More importantly, it's not just streamers will have to just show the content only. They need to be energetic and not boring in order for viewers to be entertained.

Google the word streaming. It's just a person playing while "broadcasting" the game live using social media like Twitch. That person is called a streamer. The issue raised here is that streamers are sponsored by these casinos to play in their platform. That means they get paid or given money and they use that to bet.

Very few gets interested and does same as the streamers do. The majority including me just enjoy the moment and move on, because we know well that it is hard to win out of gambling without luck. Majority of the players follow streamers just to get entertained along with some tips. The very first post itself described about the paid streamers. We don't have much of them.

Long story short, I'm not being influenced by streamers but rather, if I saw something interesting on that content, I will consider watching those and see if there's really good entertainment behind that stream that will entertain me. I already watched lots of gambling-related content and it's not with the site that usually the reason why I'm watching those but the way streamer is doing their acts. That's the reason why it was getting lots of views as the streamer is good at his skills in hosting the content.

I'm not also taking it as a big question if those streamers are being paid or not by the gambling site they are promoting.

As long as they streamed a legit website, that's all good. That's what matters.

If we do look on facebook where there are lots of streamers and other platforms as well which it is understandable that some of them are getting paid and some are just totally doing their own vlogs or streams hoping that
they could really get up some viewers and building up their reputation overtime. Speaking about influence then it cant really be denied that it could really give out that kind of vibe and interest
on following on what they've been doing specially if they are winning where people do really get interested and doing the same thing and hope that they would get on the same outcome or results.
It could neither put or give some influence into other people or not and it does vary on personal choice.

Any publicity is good publicity, a timeless simple description of why the gambling sites will gain from such exposure.    Really doesn't matter on the context beyond that but some will consider a gamble just from seeing a large stream on a general public site and they would not have otherwise considered the question of gambling or especially usage of that game/slot etc.
  It is advertising even if its purely freelance in its manner, maybe its more powerful for being unscripted I think.   Alot of people reject anything in particular they think they are being spoon-fed, even if the caster is losing in games its still likely less diluted by this effect then standard attempts to publicize a game, site or avenue of betting available.
   Like it or not influence is probably a real thing that works across the whole advertising industry, maybe we'll move on in ten years to other things but seems people get their attention captured by being more involved with a real person and a still unfolding story of win or loss simple as it might be.

That is an interesting point of view but then again the feeding strategy shouldn't work or affect other people's gameplay since most casino games are still luck based in the end so even if they keep feeding it, there's still no guarantee they're taking the funds of other gamblers.

I also remember one of the gambling streamers i've watched said a similar response but I think the winnings don't matter since they'll end up putting it back in the casino as they continue playing.

Like you said, they are "Paid" streamers. They get paid for streaming. The funds they use for gambling belongs to the casino. As far as I know, if they win anything, they aren't allowed to withdraw those funds and has to return it to the casinos. Hence when they place bets, they are literally risking nothing hence they place bets without feeling pressured. Seeing those streamers gambling carefree (and without any worries) and their excitement/enthusiasm is what makes other want to gamble.

I bet most of the streamers do get paid and they say they play with their own funds so others feel like they are experiencing someone gamble the real way (with their own money and risks).

I don't believe there is a pot like you mentioned, but it is true that many of them earn a lot of money from the casinos themselves to promote them and I go further... I believe that these streamers have some benefit in their user that allows them to have "more luck" than a normal player, giving the false impression that it is very easy to make money.
Anyway, I believe that there are streamers who are legitimate players, but they are a minority.

While that is possible I think it is way easier for the casino to give those streamers some free money which they can use to gamble without any risk for themselves, that way it doesn't really matter for the streamer if they lose that money because it was never theirs, and this means that it doesn't matter how many times they lose since their money is basically infinite, and at some point they're going to win and then they can post that content and generate a lot of traffic for that casino.

Maybe some casino provide streamer special account but so far I don’t see that kind of streamer account which they have more luck because most of the gambling streamer that I’m watching keeps busting every time  I watch there stream. Are you watching stream or only the youtube highlights because it’s very rare for me to see a streamer win a huge jackpot prize.

They are getting most of there income on subscription and views. The casino payment to them is just a minor compensation for promoting and risking there money playing.

I doubt that streamers have more luck than regular gamblers since most of the streamers I watch tend to lose and burn most of their balance real quick even if it's fake money. There are times when they'll have a big win moment but usually, it's not enough to cover their entire losses when we include their past sessions. But still, they have other ways of making money from it like through those referral codes and possibly a contract they have discussed with the casino.

Even if they are not sponsored by the casino, viewers and other gamblers are highly influenced to gamble on that particular website that a streamer is using when he shares his winning from it on social media. We know that social media has become a huge factor that affects our pleasures in life. Even in other stuffs not just gambling, we are easily swayed to try the product or platform when a popular personality is using it.

It's like anything, I would guess that there are some genuine players out there - who are using their own funds and have no association with the casino. However they are likely to be swamped and crowded out by more manipulative players. At the end of the day, casino operators are a financial type business, they want to get as much money flowing through their operation as possible and in the modern world where Twitch and other platforms allow this kind of streaming, it is clear that it can be abused by operators to drum up more business. As we all know, streamers can grow a rather large fan base who might flock to copy whatever activity they're doing at the moment and even beyond that casual viewers might also be intrigued enough to drop some money on it. It seems like a very high return to reward situation for any casino that can engineer such promotion.

Well it's clear when they have an agreement there must be arrangements for the account they have so that no matter how fast they burn their balance it will still come back again and again and even tend to be more.
Because if they burn but lose and run out then it's clear who will want to come there because there are still many naive people who come to one site just because they see other people getting a big enough profit.

We are well aware that not all gambling streamers are "paid" there are some independent streamers who create gambling content just for fun.
usually unpaid streamers won't be creating intense content every day, there are several differences between paid and unpaid streamers, one of which I have already mentioned.
usually streamers who do promotions, they act professionally and they will create content as often as possible, it can be every day and at a set time, will always be accompanied by promotions and share giveaways, they will also put a casino link and share their referral code.
I personally don't think the gambling streamers are a problem, sometimes their content is quite entertaining.

Do you think is everyone who devote their time running an advert without payment, and even if they do there should be a partnership between them. The rest who create contents does it in their self gain btw is limited.


This could be likely true, since they have limitless slot and basically is to attract viewer or seeking much attention to partake in game.


This is very difficult to believe there are some fact you must consider why saying this, basically what if they funds and at turns fails or lost what would be their fate?
No so i don't think this happened.

It's all about the exposure that the casino is getting and we're out of their deal whether the streamer wins big or not. It's all for the show and they don't care about it because they're paid to do it.

Just as the obvious with the streamers, they're mentioning that it's a sponsored stream and the casino or any company they have an arrangement and it's visible on their screen, they make their audience aware of that.


That's one information we got there, thanks.

Anyway, the demand for advertising from streamers is high, so I doubt that any of them work only for referral registrations or something like that. Also, streaming casinos are always a reputation blow (unless the streamer originally worked in this area), so I'm sure that they work for clearly defined amounts and not for "potential" earnings.

Some streamers' sessions are actually rigged to give out more wins than losses to entice new players to register and play. What you see are honest advertisers not wanting to rig their game or that they have an agremeent with the casino that aside from the payment, they can also keep their legit winnings should there be any. But then you'll never guess who's the legitimate player based only on the win/loss ratio.

Not a huge fan of online gaming and gambling streamers, but one thing I've noticed is that they are not paid by anyone or any big companies especially when they're still building their reputation and viewers. Once they acquire huge audience, that's where companies starts offering you handsome amount to use their website. Online gambling companies and the streamer can easily deny that they don't have any partnership or connections.
So, nobody is really certain whether or not these gamblers were just plainly advertising the website or taking advantage of their clients.

This is like these videos (ADs) where you can see people playing Bingo online via an App in their mobile phone and they win 2,000/35,000/250,000 dollars or whatever amount and it goes directly to their PayPal account :D

One shouldn't believe in these lies, especially when they are so obvious. But streamers can seem sincere, some are charismatic... in these cases the deception can be more subtle. Needless to say that some people are predisposed to be deceived.

Some of the more famous streamers on youtube and twitch, announce that the videos they make are sponsored by the gambling sites they are playing on (i.e. Xposed). Personally, I have nothing against it and sometimes it is just and entertaining to watch especially in they win big amounts.

Nothing really bad on what they are doing since at the end of the day they just want to have fun and promote entertain to their channels, maybe there's part of it is for earning purposes but we can really take that as normal and it will only depends on their speculators on how they view on what those famous streamers do to their channels.

We are still responsible to ourselves that's why there'd a reminder bet responsibly to remind us that any excessive behavior toward gambling is destructive to us.

The luck of streamers or other gamblers will not be much different but streamers have other advantages that other gamblers do not have. The luck is that they cooperate with the casino in providing an entertaining spectacle and maybe the spectacle will tempt the audience to follow the streamer to play gambling. The casino will compensate for the loss earned by the streamer because the casino needs promotion from the streamer so that they will help the streamer to provide an interesting spectacle. In the end greedy people who want to win will follow that streamer and use their money to gamble mindlessly to keep their money.

If you ask me I think paid streamers are faking gambling. Its probably all in a secret agreement between them and the gambling casino...

They might, as someone else in this thread already mentioned, get a bunch of fake funds to gamble with, so when they win they can make it look like they made a lot of money and if they lose then they do not actually lose anything of value. Furthermore its all obvious PR and advertisements to get money by referalls. And even if there are regulations in place to prevent this "fake gambling" then the streamers would find a way to fake their winnings for the views anyway without the gambling casino partnerships. They would still get a lot of money from the referalls and other income sources from their viewers.

Obviously the referall reward cost is taken into account and comes from the casino's gambling turnover. So in the end, its the viewers paying the streamers for duping them into gambling.

That is true, but isn't it the money from the casino in the end? The casino pays the streamer to spread their games and offer online marketing to them, so all the money the streamer wins or losses is always from the casino. Instead of feeding the jackpot through paid players, the casino could have started the jackpot higher. I am not against streamers at all, it's part now of the new Internet culture. There are people who like to show the whole world what they are doing, and then there are people who prefer watching others than risking large sums themselves. But when it comes to gambling streamers I think that most people are very critical. TV is always flashy and enjoys to exaggerate reality, it feels the same happens in the streaming world. It's hard to believe everything we see online is legit and I don't think I the same luck happens to me. But atleast gambling streamer are entertaining.

Exactly, knowing that they are sponsored doesn’t affect the content that they are providing because they are just doing there job to give entertainment to viewers by providing there encouraging gambling content. Being sponsored doesn’t mean there video is fake. They just received payment or bonus to use in the casino but the winnings is legit that will go to there pocket same when they lose because they have there personal money stored in there balance during streaming.

This is possible and they're all doing these things in the name of money. They uplift the gambling site by gaining their wins which will benefit both site and the paid streamers. But of course, they will not admit it though their winnings are too good to be true. Their goal is to attract more players by making them believe that they could win as much as the streamers win. The viewers who fall for their trap don't really matter to them so we should be wise and skeptical because not all that we can watch or see on the internet is true.

I agree, why do they need to fake the game just like other people in this thread is saying? It will reflect to the owner of the casino or the website, they make a collaborations with the streamers so that they will gain popularity and they don't want to lose people trust by faking the winning of the streamers whether they are winning or losing or streaming other content. Streamers job is to entertain other people.

Just to clarify something.....

I see a lot of lazy people that are simply reading the "Subject" of this thread and then commenting on how Streamers are affecting people to start gambling.... and this is not what we are talking about here.... read the first post!

We are talking about how "paid" streamers are affecting the players experience that are already gambling on the different sites. (funding other players wins with the money they get from the casinos or even sweeping the funds that other people are playing.... )

We need casino experts to debunk assumptions or to confirm it.... if possible.

When it comes to paid advertising of gambling websites thru videos made by streamers, the influence could be case to case basis. If we are talking about the streamer's influence on players encouragement to play in a specific website they are promoting, the rate will vary depending on their reputation, on how famous they are, and how reliable the information they are giving.

On the other hand, if the influence we are talking about is regarding gambling habits, this will depend on the gambler himself. Because despite the streamer's effort to influence and educate, we still have the final say on the decisions and actions that we will make most especially on our gambling habits and methods.

The impact of streamers on a casinos is very high that is why they are always posting there results on social media with other strategies they uses to invite more gamblers into the casino. They job of a streamer is a lucrative one and those that have sites and large betting predictions groups like on Telegram and Facebook will tend to make more referrals because of there large followers and interesting results they get from playing on that particular Casino.

I think that as time passes streamers are getting more and more influential, after all it is completely different to read a referral and to watch the referral, as they say one word is worth a thousand words, and as such the streamers can transmit way more in the same amount of time than someone referring others in writing form, and this means they are more effective than probably any other medium used by casinos to try to get clients, which is why we are seeing casinos investing more and more money on them.

I agree, so whenever we are seeing streamers that have only thousands of subscribers or followers, we are sure that they are not paid for their gambling streams and are not sponsored by the casino they are playing with.  If ever they have benefited it is thru referral commission if ever they had referred an active player.



It is clear that they wanted to take advantage of their viewers by enticing them to register in the Casino through their referral code.

^Goes to into one pot that we called a house edge or a banker.
But it does have an effect if the paid streamers will win at that time, while other gamblers will lose. Each of them has its own RTP that we can verify on our own. Paid streamers are also similar to the regular gambler but the difference is they seem a higher wager because they have a lot of funds that come from sponsors' money. However you are right, they also use their own money for the sake of the content of the video but all of these are limited when it comes to spending funds.

And where do you go to find these casino experts to get that answer? maybe you should start investigating paid Streamers and people who watch Streamers and then you will draw your own conclusions, in my case I don't even follow Streamers, I prefer to focus on my sports betting and not get carried away by the influence of other people who in this case are the Streamers

As an influencer or streamer then i wont really be using up too much money on playing on a gambling site just because its been part of your job or simply like that because we are doing such job to earn more
money and not to waste of it which it would be understandable that most of them would be sponsored it out and it true that when it comes to chances or odds on winning then it would really be just the same
into those who do tend to play on that time or even on old players or others.It is really just they are really making significant wins since they do really bet out something big since they do have that big
funds been provided which it would really be that common sense that it could really trigger out someones interest whenever they do see these numbers.

Paid streamer influence other gamblers experience by enticing them to play to the casino that they are promoting.


If the slots is a jackpot slot and someone won the jackpot, I think the port will reset to its intial jackpot reward.  So basically the games reward had been restarted.



This sometimes happen.   I have watched a yt stream where the streamer is being funded by more popular streamers.

Well in their defense (although I am not actually in their defense), screwing the small guy over has been the cornerstone of capitalism. This applies to almost any for-profit organisation or business. And it also applies to some non-profit organisations as well, no matter how they try to market it like they are the good guys.

Its just in the nature of humans to be greedy and do anything to get someone else's money/power/belongings/status

I really hope the governments at least try to regulate the bad sides which they can regulate. But again, its also the governments making huge profits off taxes from gambling. So probably there will be little to no change.

The world is not a fair place.

I also do the same thing and mainly do sports betting but I still find it entertaining to watch some gambling streams from time to time but they're not to the point where i'm encouraged to play the same games myself as i've been there before and prefer not to go back.

I somewhat agree, some of the paid streamers that take these offers are usually those who have a big audience so those reputation blow doesn't have much effect on their brand as they'd still have a portion of their audience going to continue and watch their content.

With the streamers most of them have paid promotions and also their deposit with the gambling platform is came from the casino budget itself but they can't make a withdrawal with this because it is just a part of the contract if they have and the next is the game itself the developer can not make big changes just for this streamers only like giving a higher chance to play instead a budget only they can give and the role of the streamers only highlighting the wins.

Paid streamers are part of the team in terms of attracting gamblers to play the game and to visit the site, they can't play without the knowledge of the site owners as the video for the stream episode might not work, like how you think there's a contract in between that streamers will have a fund coming from the casino owners and they are not allow to withdraw the funds, not unless there's another contract to deal that they will let them withdraw for the benefits of giving idea with the viewers that the site are good in sending the money and it's safe to play using the platforms.

I'm no expert in online slot game mechanics, but this "sweeping" theory doesn't make any sense to me.
If the "sweeping" theory is true, slots games are simply following a sequence or an algorithm, where winning the jackpot is predetermined.
This makes the game rigged. The legit slot games are supposed to be 100% luck based and winning the jackpot must be completely random.
I don't think that paid streamers have any influence other than bringing new gamblers into online casinos.
This is some kind of weird myth, that is being shared by low IQ gamblers I guess.
Anyway, I don't play slots games, becasue:
1.They are boring.
2.I have the feeling that they are rigged and designed to make you lose your money(which is the basic purpose of all gambling games, right?) ;D
I don't mind losing my money while having some fun playing games, but slots games aren't fun to play.

Same here I don't know why I don't like to watch streams. For me I think they are only a waste of time, sorry but I only prefer to play the actual game. Obviously a streamer with low subs and views will be hardly pick to do a promotion because the reach will only be low but budget wise, they can just go to those who have a good number of followers.

Some streamers can deny that they do have a sponsorship with a casino, I think this was instructed to them. Gambling owners think that it will not be very effective to attract the public if they see that the streamer is sponsored because they will think that the game is being manipulated.

I'd choose gambling with faucet rather than watching someone gamble even though he hit a jackpot :D

Usually people are watching streams because they want to see a reaction and how funny the streamer is, I don't think watch the games would make anyone interested. Until now I don't find a streamers that's really fun to watch, I'd rather watch a girl gambling.

Now I wonder if the total views on streams are actually bots in order to attract new people come into his streams.

A certain part of the audience always remains (most streamers develop like this: they earn an audience with content -> then they just stream their life "how I ate, walked, etc."), but still, uninvolved people have an aversion to gambling, muddy investments, and etc. Therefore, streamers who value the audience know that cooperation with the casino should be generously rewarded, as this is a loss in terms of audience loyalty.

I have fun watching a channel that streams gambling on youtube.  I really like how this one streamer reacts to the slots, he may be a paid streamer and is sponsored but I really enjoy the natural reactions of that streamer.  I have seen his previous streams when he was starting and his bet is somewhere around $1 and was so happy when he hit 1k in a bonus round.  His reaction is so organic that you will find it funny when the guy got frustrated over something that didn't happen.  And best of all I like this streamer because he always shows the reality of gambling games not just all the good things about it.


Yes, some paid streamers intended to trick their viewers into believing that their money is from them which in fact is sponsored one.  I hate those kinds of streamers because I believe they are making a fool out of their viewer.

If the viewer is a complete noob, then they will be easier to convince on what they see although some that has an experience already might still try their luck on the same game. Rtp affects winning rate but other factors as well like luck and capital. A streamer can play with a pattern but there is no guarantee that the pattern will also work to the viewers once they copy it because results are still going to be random.

The money that the streamers use are not small and they don't get busted quickly. They are actually winning because of that or the casino can do some manipulations during their stream for the sake of attracting the viewers.

the situation of this place can make streamers make a profit if they grow the mind will get results from both sides by advertising casinos and platforms, which I've certainly seen streamers by advertising casinos very quickly attract high-minded people by looking for efficient money. Of course, if people are gambling fans, they will be very active in terms of information

Paid streamers is just type of marketing strategies done by the casino to attract potential gamblers.
I myself like to watch gambling streamers, I like to watch when someone hit a huge win on gambling but it will not affect my gambling style.
Most paid streamers are those who has a decent number of followers so there is a big chance to attract more players to come to the casino.
The effect of paid streamers in online gambling is absolutely good for the casino as it can be considered to be one of the most effective strategy to attract more players.

But I knew some streamers who reject some offers as well anything that is related to crypto, those are a local streamer here in my country. I don't know why, but maybe because they don't have enough knowledge regarding crypto? I didn't ask them why but they said it is safe for them, I found those streamers in Facebook. Maybe the reason why is the platform itself is not open with this one as of now.

I don't think that you can say their is no country that does not know about cryptocurrency. because cryptocurrency is generally accepted by different countries. And mostly people are using cryptocurrency to do different kinds of things depending.if any streamer that do not crypto that means it's not a cryptocurrency supporter. That's what i want to understand.

I'd say for about 5k or such will be enough for a streamer to be paid for the views, I mean if the streamer want to do some kind of bounty stuff to whoever shares on every required media platform will get paid. That's more than enough to get some traction or traffic in the gambling space, and as far as I can tell this will be the case even in the near decade since new streamers are flocking in the industry.

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play! ;D
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

Aside from the initial payment, there are referrals that Iv'e seen streamers and youtubers are sharing on their platforms. I'm sure they have a commision on their links and It's possible that their commision is much larger than the normal person referal reward. Streamers now are now aware of the spread of casino promotion deals and we might don't know what are happening in those deals like if a streamer is only allowed to promote only a single casino with a better deal since there are many casino now fighting between them to have a bigger follower count streamers.

On the other hand, it would be so refreshing to see a streamer actually having a bad streak and losing some money (whether fake or not), back in the day when I encountered those guys I was fed up realizing they only streamed winnings after winnings, after winnings... I get it, the partnership is about to get people in so they can earn more money and to get this done it is ideal to display an example of success, but after a while one realizes how fake all starts to look like.

If I found a streamer ending their session with a negative balance that would give off such an aura of authenticity that would make me to stick to their channel / future streams.
That is just my personal impression, of course.

This is a sad reality and a good reason that Twitch/other streaming sites should not necessarily intermingle this over 18 content within their normal gaming streams. It costs people a lot of money and can be a particularly cruel addiction in that sense. Throwing in the fact that it is very easy to stage or engineer this by the casinos themselves, it leads to a bad outcome. You can bet at least a few of the streamers covering such games have agreements with the gambling companies, yet fail to declare such conflicts of interests and may even be breaking the law for that reason in some countries - you are meant to declare paid advertising. It's a bit of a murky area and takes a lot of resources to investigate.

If you look at every streamer that I watch especially on several online sites in my country, actually if you look at their luck far beyond ordinary people who gamble.
But this is a natural thing because it is impossible when people promote something but in their promotion it is vilified. Therefore there must be something behind them because for me it is very illogical if every time they do live streaming they continue to profit with a very large nominal.

So you do speak that casino odds or chances had been increased? Could be possible but it would really be a huge risk of the casino once it had been proven out but we know that this is
something which cant really be determined or could really be proven since most of the time they would really be claiming that  those are normal gameplays.It is just turning out that the
winnings shown is bigger once they do make a hit because they've been using up sponsored money and make hell of a huge bets and when it hits then it would be showing those interesting amounts.
Cant really be that avoided if you are really that presuming that they are lucky but if you do count off on how many times they lost then it would really be just that
into those normal activity but its really be patched up by those huge hit wins.

I do not think that it would be a wise idea to put all the blame on streamers if viewers end up trying to do the same thing and lose all their money. I mean imagine it this way, there are way too many things online that people could watch which is dangerous to your health or well being if you repeat it yourself but at the end of the day you don't or at least people with brain would consider the risks first before doing it.

So, if you watch a streamer gamble, and you do not consider the risks and how you could lose money and just jump in because "that streamer hit x5000! maybe I will too and be rich!!!" and do that, then it is your fault and not the streamers.

I think most streamers are losing on their session. It's just that they have lots of credits to continue their session for long because it was for content.

Because of that big bankroll, they were able to win big on that specific session during the live stream. Streamers, even using their own money or being funded, will still face the same slots RTP or any casino games house-edge, that was applied for all users. Nothing special to them contrary to what others think that the site will adjust the chances of winning at those streamers.

Regardless of that content result, it's still in the hands of the viewers to be influenced by those streamers they are supporting.

It's been a long time since I watched any gambling streams.
I believe, because it is a somewhat delicate subject, it deserves attention before taking any kind of premeditated attitude.
Sometimes I keep thinking to myself, is it really possible to put all the blame on the streamers for inducing some gamblers to repeat their attitudes? Of course, not everyone will want to repeat this kind of attitude from some streaming gambler, but this is something to reflect on...
I do my best not to follow other people's examples (for example some streamers/gamblers) because the tactic he uses may work for him and not for me and I also find it more advantageous to focus on sports betting, which I stay and find more comfortable to gamble/bet.

Streaming is a profitable venture for those who have successfully established an audience so no one will ever abandon it as long as it pays  ;D.  And as you said, I am also fond of watching slots streamer because I can see the mechanics of the game and it saves me from wasting money trying to figure out how the bonus win look or spending time spining with casino fake money trying to trigger a scatter bonus just to watch how the bonus round works.

Streamers did give information on the gameplay of their featured slots.

Wow, calling people that actually think for themselves ... "low IQ gamblers" are a bit harsh.. right?

In any way... let's say for argument that 1 "Paid" Streamer are the only one playing a specific Slot.... who's money will he or she be winning? (obviously the money that he or she deposited)

Now, what happens when you add 100 more players into the mix.... and they play for a short while, until their money runs out? In theory, the person playing the longest time.... will eventually hit the big win, because the RTP determine that. So, a streamer with huge pockets can play until they hit that win...thus "sweeping" the money that other people played...when they stopped early.  ::)

I think that we will never know the real terms of contracts between streamers and gaming sites because most likely streamers sign a nondisclosure agreement. So they can tell us anything, but not the fact that it is true. Personally I think that 80-90% of streamers play for money gambling platform and take no more than 10-15% of the big winnings, as they get money for their work separately.

Streamers loosing money Gambling are not really loosing, they are still getting paid for by the various gambling companies thus they usually try and validate their losses + profits on screen but most of the times it's just a muse and thus these people usually try and attract the audience but we cannot rely on their stats provided and therefore what we can do is filter it out, use it for the amusement, like : think about Kanye West he is defo a gambler but he is not paying shit when he is winning/ loosing on a social media because he is indirectly publicizing them thus I do think more or so let's not follow streamers blindly.

I also think that there are steamers and gambling platforms Although these are usually a risk for gamblers but not all suffer from them. Because any gambling side has gambler but in it if you face loss but hope for double profit In this case the steamer has no role so you don't identify the brain if the blame is placed on the steamer. It is normal to take a 10 to 20 percent steamer cut if you win. 

I didn't realize that until now. I always think about this "paid streamers" having a fake game and was playing like in a different time and space. Like another platform just for them. If that is the case, then yes this will be unfair to those who are spending too much money just to hit the jackpot. A big one.

It's also possible. That money on the pot won't grow that high but because they are feeding it, the jackpot grows higher than when normal gamblers contributing for it. There's both good and bad side of what they do. Perhaps, avoiding where they play is the best solution.

Of course, it's an absolute gibberish. The way online slots work, it doesn't matter how much was won in the previous day/hour, you can still win a lot right away. And if no one was winning big for several days in a row, you can play for another several days in row, lose all your money, without winning anything big in the process.


In the ideal(for casino) world it would be like that. And they are actually getting very close to this "ideal world" when having millions of players on their platform. But there are cases, especially when a casino is newly opened and have not that many users, when more money won than lost there, and the casino in question must pay out from their own funds.

Like what I also previously mentioned, some of these paid streamers own a stake on the gambling website. They intentionally advertise a certain casino that they are of which partners thereof. This is somehow potentially deceiving especially that they can provide as much funds as possible and rig the rates to their advantage.

Though this might be the case, there are some streamers online who intentionally stream gambling websites and provide honest feedback from it. I just hope that Twitch does something about it given that majority of its audience are underaged adults.

I wonder how you have so much energy in regards to slots? I watch streams and see that even steamers are clearly tired of the same slots (although there are supposedly many types of them, but in reality everything is about the same) and they, sighing from fatigue, move from slot to slot losing fake money. How does this content draw you into the game?  :D Or do you watch some special streams?

Streaming has its only main purpose, to trigger our interest and lets us play. That is why if you are fond of watching streamers, whether paid or not, eventually you will be tempted to give it a try and play to attract profits. As for paid streamers that showcase huge wins and bonuses, i think that's part of the gambling strategies as no one would go into your site and gamble if there are no stimulus that will arouse your gambling interest within you.

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.

They wouldnt really be hired to promote a certain product/project/company if they arent really good with marketing which it would really be understandable that they are just doing their job and they've been paid for that
and it would really be just normal or default consideration that they would really be hiring these people specially to those who do have lots of subscribers or followers to maximize exposure which would really be worth
on the money that they have been spending for marketing.Of course they could really be giving out that kind of influence but in overall it would really be just depending on someone whether they would really
be making themselves easily believed on whats been advertised and recommend.

I can't think of a way how Twitch will be able to control or filter the audience especially pointing to minors.

On that matter, we just need to trust those minors to use their common sense and not to get involved in gambling at an early age.

Regardless, they will really encounter gambling every day not just thru online interaction.

Anyone can register using fake details so its hard for twitch to filter out the minors to use and view those gambling contents. Aside from trusting the minors I think for sure their parents will be worried on their childrens if they see their child watching those disturbing contents so I think this one is fine since for sure this will be totally controlled by the person near them. Maybe we should more worry if they hide this activity because this will give them on high risk situation.

If they were able to gather lots of subscribers, we can really say that these streamers are good at entertaining people and doing a great job showing what's on their content. If there are a lot of viewers always on their live stream, that's a sign that they can influence people to watch their content and convince people to do what's on the content without asking for that favor from their viewers.

Actually, being a paid streamer is not really necessary even though these streamers are not supported by the gambling site they are promoting. They just have to maintain their viewing stats and they will earn good money without a partnership from anything.

It would be difficult for those steamers to keep gambling so much without any kind of sponsorship, after all gambling is not like your average video game, in a regular video game you can pretty much get all the content for a small amount of money and after that you do not need to spend any money, but gambling requires the frequent use of money and even if they were very popular they will lose money at a rate that is unsustainable to them, besides if they are that popular I am sure a casino will eventually look for them and sponsor them anyway even if that was not the intention of the streamer in the first place.

It should roughly be controllable, but I don't think there's any streamer that would like to be a 100% gambler type of streamer. Say you only use money you got from streaming as the money you'd use for betting, you should be able to last pretty long unless you're stream involves betting big, which might just ruin the entire plan and well make it impossible to last long. Not to mention that I don't think there's anyone that would want to watch a streamer gamble 100% of the time, people enjoy watching a variety of content after all imo. There's also the issue that most gambling games are rather simple and static in terms of the process.

Because at that time I had nothing to do because of the lockdown and my businesses got closed. I longer have such leisure atm :D

For example, Xposed before he is famous, there's a satisfaction watching him got rekt since he will get mental and cries. The way he builds up hype when triggering free spins is also laughable especially when no big win is involved at the end of the feature game. I assume this is when he plays with his money or at least risked something.

Try to watch small streamers because their reaction looks genuine. Big streamers kinda lost their passion and look tired.

Valid point. Sponsorship is essential for streamers that are not really well-off and do not have extra money to be spent in luxurious activities such as gambling. If they are just streaming for the sake of engagement, entertainment, and for the sake of doing new things, they really need to have the fund in order to continuously showcase gambling methods. Of course, despite being streamers, they still have budget to follow on, unless they are super rich.

The same way with other people, streamers must know how to set boundaries despite having engagement and profiting from it because addiction and loss of money could happen to them to. Afterall, there's no some sort of immunity from it but only discipline.

Big companies like Google, YouTube, Twitch and streamers only care about their profits, so it makes no sense to expect them to be interested in protecting our children from information that can get them into trouble. We as parents should spend more time educating our children and explaining to them the principles by which this or that system works. Even a child can be taught how advertising, promotion and the risks of gambling can work.

I will close this thread soon... too many people who are posting off topic posts, just to get +1 for their signature campaigns. Take the time to read the content of my first post and try to post something constructive and on topic, because most people are just posting... for the money now.  ::)

Do you think "Paid" Streamers are sweeping through Slots and taking all the money that other people are gambling OR are they funding the wins of other players?

That is the discussion topic of the day......  ::)

Maybe that's why Google, YouTube, Twitch, and others still allow some accounts to upload gambling content because it's a big advantage for them. But they should also be able to protect minors who do not deserve to see such advertisements. This is the duty of parents and I think parents who live in this era will have a more difficult task in supervising their children because of the freedom to access the internet. Yes, we need to teach our children to use their devices so that they don't get involved with inappropriate things and can get their lives in trouble later.

It's none of the options, mate.
They are just playing like us, sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. The difference is only about the source of funds, whether they use their pocket money, or from deals with sponsors.

Thinking that bets are dependent, is just the basic definition of a gamble fallacy. Every spin is independent of each other if the devs implement the code correctly. If a streamer gets a max win it doesn't mean you can't get it at the same time (or shortly after the event).

Millions a month? I don't think so because if that was true then those streamers are much richer now than those known rich persons in the world but I haven't heard that there are gamers on those lists, just businessmen and website ceo's. Streaming is not harder than those two professions that I mentioned, therefore they don't have the right to earn huge amount of sums.

Stake is a big gambling site and they have the ability to use most of their income for advertisement, including those popular streamers to stream about their casino and its games. I think streamers are already paid before they start the stream and the balance that you see is not theirs therefore whatever they won won't go with them.

Are you pretending you don't know this yet?  ;)
If the casino is at least a little honest (I think we are talking about such as there is no point in discussing scammers), then the fake money that streamers use is in no way connected with other cash flows of real players. Fake money does not affect jackpots or other statistics in any way, and of course, streamers do not "take" other people's winnings for themselves. They have the usual contract with the casino and receive the usual fee for their services.

And that should not be a big deal that these streaming sites should try to filter the audiences, especially the minor ones.

I'm sure most minors won't be interested in watching those gambling content.

They will just try gambling right away without watching those. They want to feel the experience rather than watch.

I strongly oppose this. You'll never know how each children's mind works. Their curiousity varies in levels. Some are really curious about a particular thing to the point that they will watch whatever that intrigues them. While some are just jumping from one activity to another without considering watching or researching.

Hence, Google, Youtube, and other platforms that cater gambling should be filtering what they are showcasing in general. Although I also believe that this will be hard because of the technology nowadays and because of the children's creativity and resourcefulness.

We can't really deny that these paid streamers attracted young people into gambling websites. Stake is even paying millions of dollar to streamers and I do not think that they would pay such heavy advertisements if it doesn't give them any benefits.
The disadvantage is some of these streamers has very young audiences and we know that most of us don't like that it would ruin their lives and these streamers can only do is to warn them but that really wont stop them from being curious to play in the gambling websites.

Gambling casino usually gives a money to the. Streamers and use those to make a game live into their streams and of course it depends on their contract if they can withdraw or not their earnings if they win a lot and of course the streamers makes only content about the winnings but they cannot modify those if they live streams. It is the streamers responsibility to make sure their users are aware about then possible issues that may arise due to excessive playing of gambling.

Ok, I will be locking this topic now..... I tried to steer the discussion in the right direction ....but people still talk about Streamers attracting "underage" gamblers and how effective they are at pulling people into gambling.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic that are under discussion.  ::)

Hint for the future : Read the OP's first post and reply constructively an on-topic. It is a shame that this is not happening, because this is a very good topic that needs more discussion.  :(