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Some buyers are asking about the trading volume on the probit global exchange! It's essential for us that our buyers invest wisely and buy the right asset and deal on a good and safe platform. We are not looking for gamblers like Elon Musk to bring colossal money, pump our token and dump it whenever he decides. We emphasize again trading is not gambling! If you think probit global trading volume is odd, please read the following research:
A slew of recent articles has demonstrated that the issue of crypto exchanges faking trading volumes is not going anywhere.
The problem has been apparent since Bitwise Asset Management published a report showing that 95% of volumes reported by BitcoinExchanges on data aggregator CoinMarketCap were fake. 
The false volumes were reported to CMC by the exchanges to exaggerate the size of the Bitcoin market.
Even before that, in 2018, trader and investor Sylvain Robes revealed that 93% of the trading volume on China-based exchange OKEx was fabricated based on the "slippage," or price change, when a sale of $50,000 of cryptos was made.
A recent Coindesk report featured a Russian college student who has set up a business that essentially helps exchanges fake their trading volumes by creating accounts operated by bots that constantly trade amongst themselves.
Additionally, a recent Bloomberg report showed anomalies in the trading volume of Bitforex - a Singapore-based crypto exchange with an incentive program linked to transaction fees.
Users are offered $1.20 in digital tokens for every $1 transaction fee. Users on the exchange used a similar scheme of multiple accounts and bots to increase trading volume, earning users tokens and Bitforex an impressive trading volume.
In the U.S., the Justice Department has already investigated such "wash trades" on crypto exchanges.
However, exchanges faking their trading volumes can be caught because there is no correlation between the number of websites visits a site receives and the trading volumes the exchanges report.
Trading volume on probit global is actual, not odd. If the volume of most exchanges was actual, crypto capital should be more than 10 trillion dollars now.
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For that instance, there is no reason why we have to use that platform as in the first place, their reputation is even quite questionable.
We can't make feel how trading looks like on this platform but a curse - We'd see no profit from this but losses.

This is one reason why I am seldom using new exchanges, lack of transparency, fees, unexpected charges - all I can say is that better to stay away from these kinds of exchanges for they don't care about us but themselves.

remember, trading with gambling is very different, it's just that our way must be right,
trading without knowing how to trade is clearly not trading, because trading must have knowledge,
about reading technicals, reading fundamentals etc., without that all traders can be said to be gambling.

OP are you trying to say that is trading similar to gambling?
Let me tell you that when you use all your capital in one shot with high risk, then it is considered as gambling.
If you do same with trading, I mean increase the risk, then it’s not less than gambling.
I would rather suggest if you want to trade with high risks, then better do gambling and give it one shot.
My suggestions might vary from others here, but yes that’s suitable and more appropriate.

you forgot to include coinsbit, yobit and p2pb2b even these three sites are also full of bots and create fake trading volumes so I'm not interested in going there, I feel the 3 trading sites above have the same 1 boss, but it's true you said we were played by trading volume fake so we are stuck on one trade that cost us, i am not an active trader as i prefer to invest long term now

I would agree with you a bit, as I have lost my entire fund many times trading futures, just like gambling.  For this alone I would call futures trading a bit like gambling. But I think that there is a lot to analyze in futures trading, even those analysts who know better may not equate futures trading with gambling.

In trading we do analyze every time we buy but in gambling, we don’t analyze that much and we only play the game whenever we want especially with the slots games where you just need to click the button and it will continue to play, the result will depend ok your luck.

Some exchanges manipulates their volume maybe to attract traders but I can’t still see that as a gambling, traders should really know how to analyze and how to spot real volumes this can save them from losing money. Also it’s better to avoid those exchanges and just use the top exchange where you can know that the volume is real.

^ Probably this is a case-to-case basis, if you have not enough knowledge in trading but yet you are doing it for the sake of profit, probably we can be called it gambling. Because it will probably you are guessing the result of the coin that you picked.
But actually, that is definitely right, they have a different concept that we cannot be called trading as gambling, as I trying to say is it depend on who gamble or trade. It seems to gamble for me if you will pick a meme coin or shitcoins.

Trading would only becomes gambling if you do really act something like that where you are making out trades without any basis or analysis or making some all in purchase order without having
any consideration on what entry price you would really be getting in.It is really just common sense and we could able to differentiate in between gambling and trading when it comes to risk factor or level
which it would really be that understandable on what are the things needed just for you to make some increasing chance of profitability on something that you are projecting for long term aspect
and we know that trading is something that considered to be an investment which is totally out or par if we do talk about gambling activity.

It will depend on how we choose the investment asset. To determine if we are trading or gambling, it will depend on how we get it and what coins to choose.

A trader commonly will:
- Analyze and do more research on the coins or tokens, at a certain price, and a certain time before buying the coins.
- A trader will have a specific strategy to analyze whether using FA or TA
- It has much better emotional management, including not being too hurried, panicked, frustrated, and others.

But on the other hand, a gambler will:
- Only think about profits
- Want to get instant profits
- Don't want to analyze when buying, only lay the result based on luck
- Choosing with hype only

All this forest of words just to advertise your shady project and tokens? What a shameless dirtbag.
The only thing that will make one's life here is them believing your crap project that is probably scam

Dude, do you want to discuss that we gamble or trade? Or do you want to explain probit global trading volume?  ???

From your own perception, you have answered that we don't gamble in trading. We consider it not only based on trading volume but also consider it based on the fundamental theory of trading itself. Gambling is totally based on luck, while trading is based on the knowledge and experience we have. Success in trading depends on how good our knowledge is. The knowledge can be derived from reading articles or watching videos about how to trade properly, also we get some knowledge from our experience of practicing trading for some months or years.

And the thing is, the OP is promoting his site, Lol, Lots of garbage post and even have a clickbait topic about gambling and trading. At the end he then inserted the website, tricky but we have seen this before.

But regarding the topic, this has been discussed so many times already in this community:

• ★ Gambling vs Forex vs Crypto Trading ★ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112126.0)
• Can trading be likened to gambling and how so? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406259.0)
• Do we gamble or trade? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410582.0)
• Gambling vs. "leveraged" trading (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4473010.0)

I didn’t read the whole context because I know the purpose of this is to advertise a site, the moment I saw the link I knew its meant for that since this has been the strategy of many, trying to make topic but in the end they just want to advertise their site. Well, for the purpose of this topic gambling and trading are different, you can’t call trading as gambling especially if you do your analysis it can only be gambling once you failed to do research. There’s a higher possibility to make money in trading compare to gambling, though both have their own pros and cons.

From the beginning, the goal was to advertise the site by creating a topic first to attract attention,
Basically, trading and gambling are two different things so they cannot be equated,
Gambling is like just speculating and it is clearly different from trading where it requires analysis to make further decisions

Even if you are doing fundamental and technical analysis, there is still no guarantee that you can now predict the movement of the coin accurately, therefore trading can still be linked with gambling. Trading without a proper knowledge in trading is still called trading but the risk is much higher.

I think those who engage in trading, whether a newbie or not, are knowledgeable because if they aren't then they won't be able to buy a crypto and step in the trading arena but the knowledge that a newbie trader have might only be small although it is very possible for them to earn something as long as they know how to buy low and sell high.

There is a very thin line between gambling and trading. Most traders don’t think themselves as gamblers but they are gamblers and they don’t realize it. Just because you are a trader, it don’t mean that you should trade every day or every week. You can become a trader even if you make one trade in a year. You just have to make the right trade. The casino has a house edge and the exchanges have spreads. Both are pretty much the same thing for you. The more you trade or gamble, the more money the house/exchange makes money.

In some cases, trading is considered gambling when you enter a trade without knowledge or experience and you trade with a bad luck mindset. But no so it can be said that they are the same, in gambling, we can only guess the outcome by chance and without any specific knowledge of gambling, it's just the experience that you accumulate. With trading, you just need to study hard, you will be able to analyze the upcoming trend in the market.

If you trade and think you will get profit because you hope you will get luck and get profit as consequence of luck, you are gambling.

Gambling means chance to win or to lose is out of your control and because most of traders are losers, your chance to gamble and get profit should be small.

Many newbies join the market and gamble with their trades, without learning, knowledge about the market, technical or fundamental approaches, without practice. They are stupid gamblers and unhappy endings are waiting.

When you are calling yourself as a trader, you are considering trading is your job. Because it is a job, you should have knowledge and skills to do it. By this meaning, it is not a gambling.

If major exchanges can manipulate the trading volume on their exchanges, then small exchanges will not be separated from that activity too, in fact, they will become easier to manipulate, but unfortunately, small exchanges like Probit will not be targeted because their impact is small on crypto trading, and if you just want to avoid manipulation of major exchanges by switching to smaller exchanges is much more dangerous because they are much less trustworthy.

In gambling you are making a less chance of winning and a high risk reward scenario in trading you are using all of your assets and knowledge to execute and perform a position where to buy and sell at the same time the person is the one who manage the risk unlike gambling. And if you are not using a trusted exchange there's a chance you get manipulated with their platform the reason I always use a reliable and trusted exchange to make sure my funds is safe at the same time.

Using trusted exchange takes us away from the kind of issues. Although binance is seen as cex but to a greater extent still reliable. Binance have not been having such allegation, maybe they might have but I think on large scale. But it is clear that trading is different from gambling when you do trading in the right way and using the strategies of analysis, calculations, using your indicators. Being able to determine the outcome of your profit with take profit is not relying on luck or gambling.

The manipulation of numbers that the exchanges might do I think is most visible in exchanges with small trading volumes. some exchanges have also been exposed to using trading bots on the exchange to continue to run trading volume for assets that are not heavily traded. I think everyone is aware of that.

I don't know if this will be a big problem for traders or not. or the problem with a project listed on the exchange. but I'm sure until now we are all aware of all this.

Trading and gambling are completely different. In trading you can take high risk there you can have good profit or loss but it will not be completely exhausted. But taking a high risk in gambling can be lost forever. So from my point of view I don't see the two things as the same. Trading may take big losses but that has no relation with gambling.

Is this a discussion post or an advertisement? I know these major exchanges do portray fake volumes, they have market-making bots that artificially create buy and sell walls as well, infact some exchanges have been responsible for scams as well, But the truth is that no exchange unless it is one unified centralized exchange will be enough to give enough genuine volume to all the buyers and sellers, moreover never have I ever experienced a major scam of such fashion by any big exchange in which atleast 1-2% users of that exchanges were affected, this means the probability and impact of such smalls scams on anyone is pretty low. So trust your luck and trade, You are gambling your money the moment you put it into the bank account itself forget about crypto markets and exchanges.

do not equate traders with gamblers, trading requires knowledge and of course you have to learn,
but gambling does not need knowledge and just chooses what it likes, for example choosing who wins,
and choosing long or short without knowledge, yes it is gambling, but traders smart will not gamble!, remember that

The risks are high in trading too, and there is a less or low chance of getting it right many times, you can only be right sometimes and fail at other times, just like gambling. Do you know that some gamblers call themselves experts just the way some traders think the are experts too, in fact some gamblers feel it is their knowledge or one ritual superstition they normally do that makes them lucky to win often. Trading and gambling may not be exactly the same thing, but honestly the difference isn't too much, the two are almost like predictions that can go right, when it does the player is a genius, or go wrong, then there is an excuse to be made.

What are you saying??? You might trade or gamble in any trading sector whether holding, spot, future and many more, it does not matter. What matters is the knowledge and strategy you are playing it with. You will trade when you have good plans that are time proven and you do what you know carefully without emotions. But you gamble when you deviate from your trading plans or do what you do not know or plan for.

You are making sense here but did not explain it well. Mind you, trading and gambling could be done by a well-learned person/trader. The only difference is that a trader will have a plan and actualize it, while a gambler will not due to many factors in which lack of learning, good plan or emotion might be involved.

You are so wrong about this, you might take a high risk and not gamble, and you might take a low risk and gamble. The difference between gambling and trading is just that in trading you are well informed about what you want to do and have the right plans to achieve the goal. You don't just dabble into things in trading, unlike in gambling.

I don't really think much about data manipulation from the exchange because I think it really does exist. Exchanges can manipulate data publicly to show that their site has high trading volume and active traders. But if the exchange is new, I don't think the data will be real and we don't need to trade there. In addition, we already know an exchange that has a reputation and is a place of exchange for many traders so we don't need to use anything else.

So if we can choose a place of exchange and in trading, we can also use good analysis, we don't gamble because it's just guessing but we really try to find the best moment to enter the market. But all of that can be a gamble if we don't have much information about where the exchange is and what coins we trade.

It's been years since we all know about this issue of false volumes, this is nothing new, now what I didn't understand with your post is about this issue of comparing trading with gambling when you know very well that they are different things and I don't understand where what volume Are fake exchanges related to gambling? I confess that your post and the title don't seem to be the same thing

As Baofeng has mentioned above, it seems the OP just want to promote his site.
Anyway, as we've seen this before many times, even the topic of comparing trading vs. gambling.
What we can deduce from this is that, some people are still looking at trading in the gambling perspectives.
At the end of the day, it depends on the user where he wants to risk his money but trading is less risky if you know the coin itself.

Most of us are already aware that fake volume still exists until now. Some projects are still doing the same strategy to deceive traders and to make their projects look alive. It's something that even newbies should avoid up to now. Trading and gambling both have risks but they work in different ways. We can't compare them because their common denominator is just the risk that we're taking.

Although trading and gambling are two different things but they could be same in some cases like when you invest your money into shitcoins without having research for them and blindly follow some so called influencer advice then it's pure gambling and you tend to loose that money always but if you are doing proper research and having strategy to invest in particular coin that's trading not gambling.So you have to choose which category you belong to.

We trade not gamble in the market, because those that gamble in trading find it difficult to earn more incomes like those  that have the knowledge on when to buy and trade in the market to make a good income at the end of the market. Don't gamble whenever you are trading your coins in the market, because it will not help you to enjoy what potential traders are enjoying from their professional trade than to make you keep losing in your income. Try to hold in this bearish season because it will really help you when the price increase higher before you can trade to make a good income from the market.

Depending on your perspective in this regard, when we are aware of the current state of trading which is not very good and when we understand how to read movements and do research first before doing this then maybe I will say this as trading because it uses analysis there.
But when we can't do analysis and that is done only in guesswork I classify this as gambling because it relies solely on luck.

But as we are going to trade meaning that we are trading, not gambling in general. Well, we can say sometimes we ask for luck in trading but most of all we do analysis to work it well and make ourselves a trader, not like a wild guesser or something like using the crystal ball to see what might happen next.
Indeed, trading requires knowledge and skills in order to become profitable and much more we know how to make TA based on the market situation and price chart.

With a mountain of competition in the trading industry of cryptocurrencies, I bet they will do this just to gain fame and possibly snatch some big traders from the popular ones. This is where reputation will be a big factor, although there are instances traders are forced to use what is in front of them because of country restrictions from the popular one.
Even if they want to use the trusted trading platform, they just can't because of the restriction and this is what new exchanges are taking advantage of.

Perhaps, it was not a new thing hearing such manipulative trading volume just for the sake to gain fame and attention to the crowd, it was just like using a good bait to catch a huge fish. They are doing this so we would think that they are reputed and trusted exchanges due to their huge volume but behind that numbers, it was lies hidden. 
And do we think they can be trusted? As the majority are aware of this game, they will just fail.
That is why we should be careful when choosing an exchanges and we don't just focus on the volume but also consider their feedbacks.

A trader naturally has to work hard. He has to constantly keep track of the entire world economy. When a project get down or who is rising and who has more potential etc. things need to be keenly observed. Those who are able to do this are considered as traders and those who are on the contrary and depend on luck without knowing anything are said to be as gambling.

You misjudge and misinterpret between 'gambling and Trading.

Elon doesn't gamble, he buys crypto and does big buy and sell trades, he buys crypto cheaply at the time, of course trading has risks, if indeed the price of the crypto he bought went down, why did he keep it, of course he had to release it whenever he wanted, that's the common way of trading people, including Elon.

On the other hand, by gambling, you can't buy crypto there, at a low price and selling a high price scale, you need to deposit and bet, if you're lucky, of course you win, you need to know that if you gamble, you can't control your assets, trading you can still control your assets, I think you understand how to define gambling and crypto trading.

Trading is very difficult to manage and get profit in long run.

You can trade and get profit in one day, one week but in long run, you will likely have loss. Most of traders have loses.

Gambling is when you open your trading position arbitrarily, no stop loss, no reason why you buy it or just because someone, some groups shill you about that. It's gambling.

If  you are luck, you can gamble and win but in long run, your luck will not be enough to give you profit.

Trading is profitable if a trader has the the potential to reduce the risk and has the tendency to enhance the chances of his victory. It can be done with the maximum knowledge a users acquire as well as the person who desires to enhance his gain should do work hard and do not examine trading as a type of game. Take it serious otherwise it will be difficult for you to get cash back.

Not totally that a hindrance or completely stop considering that major or known platforms nowadays are accepting on different users around the globe or simply having no restriction which does simply means that

having problems about this one isnt really that common.Speaking about local exchange platforms then people do tend to make use of these things because it is much simpler to convert crypto into their fiat money

and other services that it could really give out which is solely focused into the country which they do live which does really give out that kind of convenience which other platforms cant really give
and this is why we do really see some local platforms which do get some sufficient or considerable traffic or users.

Agreed, it is the truth about trading. Even the expertise trader will experience loss. With cryptocurrency that too very difficult to predict the market. Our focus will be towards profit making, but it won't work all the time.

Trading turns to be a gamble based on the user minds. At times they go for coins that doesn't have good market, and out of luck or some manipulation the market bounces and gives good return. This won't happen every time and with everyone. This is where you need to be lucky to make profit same as gambling.

Trading isn't just all about cryptocurrencies. There's trading in stock markets, forex markets, and even in the normal supermarket, there's literally trading that we do.

For fun or for profit, that's the reality of gambling. We take the higher risk there because of what we can project in our minds of how much we can make. Sadly, many poor people are relying their fortune through gambling and that makes them more prone to losing because it's the way they think that will save them from poverty.

As I said, in this case, if it is analytical and really knows about it, then it can indeed be said to be a trade even though it is only speculation because it is not necessarily what we do in the analysis that can actually happen.
Unlike people who randomly choose whether it's good or not when they enter a trade because indeed it is the same as us guessing in gambling who only really hopes for luck.

More important than that is how a trader can analyze the market and find the right coin to trade.
Reducing risk is something every trader should do to increase the chances of profit.
But unfortunately, every trader must also learn more about market movements because the market is always changing and not all traders can do it.
Trading is not a gamble when we really analyze the movement; if we are wrong in the analysis, we should know that we still have a lot to learn to make a profit.

you are right, the most important thing in trading is choosing the right asset. because choosing assets to trade will be different when we analyze long-term investment planning.
In a market analysis for trading, choosing an asset is the most difficult it seems. because it uses several tools for analysis, I think it's still lacking. those without experience will find it very difficult to choose assets. what happens a lot is bigotry in choosing a few assets to trade only.

Analyzing is important in every trade they have to be able to find the right thing to choose but if you analyze it anyway then it will be a good advantage of our trade, actually there are many types of analysis, it just takes skill from it all for us to do that most importantly don't be careless when trading nonsensical coins.

The crypto market is very volatile so analysis is very important even though nothing is 100% accurate but I believe with the analysis we do it will reduce risk and get profit, many experts do that and we follow it.
I never considered gambling trading, but rather a skill that must be mastered.

Probit isn't an exchange I would advise anyone to place their funds in. Its trust rating isn't good at 6 over 10. I feel I should just let you know, in case you're keeping your funds there.

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Trading isn't gambling. Only those who treat trading as a mere guess work without guaging it with trading tools and analysis such as indicators will be liking it to gambling. Again, in gambling what's traded? Nothing! In trading, there are instruments and assets traded and exchanged for another.

Yeah I remember yobit. It was going really hot in the initial years and it was not so later when many of us figured out something is fishy in that zone. Soon after that exchanger got into trouble due to such acts. Slippage is not best way to manage any exchanger it’s just one of the reason to hide the bull shit behind the curtains. I am also concerned about the way you are publishing all these things. This ain’t that much professional. You should “hire” someone to reciprocate your agenda and then enter into the market. This looks more fishy when you post randomly from such new account.

Trading is entirely different from gambling, because gambling is just mere guessing of which coin that would pump without calming down and doing the proper research on the particular coin he or she wants to buy. While traders take their time, to carry our research and understanding the charts, the candle sticks and down and uptrends of the market. Trading is the best tool to gain profits from the market, unlike gambling that can one liquidate account.

Gambling and trading in cryptocurrencies go hand in hand.There is no such thing as experience required for gambling. But you must have enough analyzer and knowledge to trade.To trade you must be good at it and stick with trading all the time otherwise you can't be 100% successful from e trading platform now.And gambling is totally a matter of luck if your luck is good then you would definitely get something good from the gambling department.

When you do tend to look up on the given link above by OP which is https://ariinv.com/ Then this one basically shows up Aristo Token
which this is just some side topic or talks for at least on making some exposure of their sale.

As for Yobit platform and other similar which have done those shady acts and there's no doubt on how these places had been frowned upon by the users of this forum or
to those old people who do have the experience and awareness about on how these platforms been doing.

It's people who does not comprehend the rudiments of trading can directly said that trading is gambling. When you are predicting the feature's and the roles of gambling, you will comprehend that gambling has its strategic method to be equated with trading. Trading is base on proper understanding the future of Bitcoin and the movement of other cryptocurrencies used in trading. It's not like gambling predictions or games. The only factor while some people said that trading is equivalent to gamblling, is risk taking that's attached to it.

Choosing this asset will not be easy because if he chooses an altcoin, he will have to analyze every coin on the market to find the right coin.
All the altcoins on the market can increase suddenly without any warning, and if he can't gather a lot of information, he can fall behind in making a profit.
It's different if you only trade bitcoin because with the current bitcoin price ups and downs, it can give him an advantage and if he can do it as often as possible, the profits will be even bigger.

That's why every trader should be willing to take the time to learn more so that he has the opportunity to improve his ability to analyze market conditions.
It's not easy but worth it, especially if he wants to profit from trading.
The crypto market can provide huge profits, especially with so many coins on the market, it will provide opportunities for them.
So if their analytical skills improve, they can analyze the state of the market and find the right time to trade, not gamble.

For me crypto trading is a kind of work and in another angle it can also be your own business, it depends on how you manage it correctly. Besides that, in my few years staying here in the world of cryptocurrency I also found out that there are actually other exchanges that exist here that make fake volumes, so that maybe they can attract traders who will buy their tokens that are listed on their platform, this is always a business and maybe this is also one of their strategies for the sake of profit.

The ARII token you mentioned is obviously new to the crypto space industry. If I look at his volume in the probit exchange in the equivalent of our currency, he is at 2M plus, but in terms of dollars, it can be said that he is moderate. But even so, there is still a risk attached to any investor there, in short, we can get income and we can also lose our capital, it's that simple.

Indeed, in trading knowledge and skills in analyzing are important to have,
because without having both I think it will only be a waste of time and the results of our trade will most likely lose,
so when compared to gambling it's definitely different because it just takes luck

Why we said gamble. This word meaning is very different. Gamble means after sometimes a game is shorted out like betting on cricket or tennis. In some hours you will win or loose that's definit after loosing that you can't take your money back. Now come to trade. This is is now gamble because sometimes a trade which is going in loss can come with big profit in future.

Cryptocurrency trading can be classified as a business but can also be considered as a form of gambling due to the risk involved and how the big players manipulate the market for their own selfish gain.
Having said that, in the early days of the crypto market I am talking about 5years ago. All the existing crypto exchanges as guilty of fake volume and including the CMC and Binance but they are somehow careful now that the SEC appears to pay attention to insider manipulation of the market.

You also need luck when trading. You probably missed the big profit in just matter of second because you didn't aware with it or buy/sell it at the wrong time so it does quite luck to trade to even make something big. It's not just on trading though, people will luck also have a chance to get something not limited to trading also on real life aspects as well.

that's the point we have to learn about technical analysis, if not then that's what happens!,
don't know when to buy and don't know when to sell, and just based on luck? haha I think it's like gambling

Everything does involved pure guess and acting out basing on some hunch and intuition without applying the basic principles of trading then this is where you could really called that  you are going gambling.

Trading isnt something that you could just simply put up some position and wait up for the money to come on because thats not how it works and thats not how the market behaves.If you do really have that kind of

wrong perception in mind towards these things then you would really be surely comitting lots of mistakes which is something that you are trying out to surpress when you are doing trading with crypto.
Minimize the risk as possible and learning up technical analysis and other aspects is pretty basic factor which you do mainly needed.

To solve that problem by OP, then why not just consider doing trades on top exchanges and platforms like Binance? I know they are also prone to fake volumes and not a perfect tradinf platform but we can bet that's not the case there most of the times. If not preferred using Binance, then another top exchange like Kucoin. Not saying Probit exchange is not that good but since OP wants to avoid the gambling part in doing trades, which can't be avoided, then focus on reputable trading platforms like I mentioned in order not to encounter fake volumes trades.

Either way, it's not always the trading platform as the reason why you will lose on trade but rather your own strategy.

I learned most of the exchange faking volume even reputed exchanges. Actually, exchanges themselves don't necessarily do that. Exchange just provide zero trading fee accounts to the project to increase their trading volume. It is called MM (market making) account. This volume was also reported to the CMC.

Regarding your title, if you know technical analysis then you are trading. If you don't know anything about how the chart works and technical analysis like me then yea we are gambling.

Alright. We should understand that volume manipulation is already part of the trading ecosystem. Nothing we can do about it.

It was being intentionally done especially at those low marketcap coins to somehow attempt to build a good liquidity of that coin and attract traders to test the waters there. If that's the concern of some people why they think trading is gambling then they are not ready yet to trade.

Stick with top coins for the meantime as a better option. These coins are not prone to fake volumes regardless of the exchange in most cases.

It's not an easy task to really have that analysis technique down. I mean I have seen people (me lol) who studied the mindset of how to read charts, do fundamental analysis, and many other stuff and people still ended up losing a ton. This is why I have to say that the best thing to do right now would be letting people understand what's going on, and move on with it. This isn't really the important part, if you fail then you fail and nothing is important. What I care about however is that if you fail because you didn't even do it, then it's wrong.

I fail all the time, I am in profit but I do not have 100% rate, I do have wrong trades all the time, but it's not because I didn't study, so that part is important.

indeed, Crypto trading will exactly be a work or a job or a min full-time job if someone is really serious about trading. This will be day-trading or other types of trading in which done by the trader itself seriously, regularly, and wisely. Each person may have different strategy to cover their activities in trading. But as long as they have understood the risks, have great willing to never stop learning, d=having good emotional management and control it will be okay for somoen to seriously making tarding as a job. But once more, trading is not a joke because thsi is very risky.

Some of my friends have made crypto trading a full-time job, and it can be done by people who are experienced in the crypto world. The problem of
crypto trading is not suitable for everyone, therefore more people fail than people who succeed. Because it is not easy to be a successful trader,
it takes patience and hard work to achieve success. I myself have been trading crypto for 5 years and I have lost more than I made profit.
That's why I only make crypto trading as a side job. Based on my experience trading crypto the hardest thing to control our emotions, sometimes
greed makes us make wrong decisions. Then I agree that crypto trading has a high risk, so don't take crypto trading something easy. Many things
we have to learn to become a successful trader, the conclusion is crypto trading is different from gambling, if we have good analytical skills and
have experience, crypto trading can be a promising source of income.

Why to complicate and mix things? It can be understood or learnt in a better way right?
Trading id investment of money, where risk involved is less.
But whereas in the case of gambling, the risk involved is very high.  Keep in mind that more the risk more is the profits.
So when you trade with high risk for high profit, it can be claimed as Gambling your money.
Actually the thinking procedure of the same thing changes from person to person, so yes for me when we trade with high risks, it is considered as gambling.

You should realize that trading is not gambling because there is something you should learn before you start trading. Even if you just glimpse the price movement, you are trying to conclude something so that on that basis, you will decide to enter the market or stay for a while. And if you do further analysis, you will find other information that is more useful in making decisions. But if it is gambling, you will not make an analysis but only decide to enter the market based on news that you do not know is true or false. It's a gamble because you don't analyze to find out more about what's going on in the market.

Trading can only be gambling if you don't have any knowledge on what you are doing. There are people that buys a particular coin only because of hype and not doing any research about it where in the end many of them lose money because they bought at peak.

Trading also has less risk because there are things like charts and candlesticks that can help you analyze the risk before executing a trade unlike gambling where you just rely on your luck if you are going to win.


Fake volumes only happens on low cap cryptos or usually shitcoin, trading those can be a gamble because those coins can pump or dump very quick so if you want to be conservative trader, it's better to stick to cryptos that are already popular.

In gamble there is 100% risk,if you play to get profit after some your all money gone, & in trading very less risk just Hodl to get profit.

That depends on how you trade. If you trade without preparation or a trading plan, then you are gambling.Trading involves proper planning and research. When you gamble, you think of being lucky and somehow make money.

I'd just do trading because I know how to do it and certainly don't rely on luck, unlike gambling. If this is what we have in our minds, I simply don't think that anyone who is in trading will ask about this.
And that is because we are performing trading, therefore, we are certainly in trading.

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I think OP needs to clear his mind about what he gonna do. because if he thinks he is in trading, then have to prove that he is really doing it well and use all the resources that he has in order not to rely upon luck and still lose.

I can somewhat agree, Gambling is more termed towards trying your luck or going for a EV- scheme. While trading needs backside research and homework to be able to place a spot trade, while leverage means more relying on luck. The boundaries between both might merge at some point but those who trade safe often know their limits.

Keeping yourself limited to spot trading means you are minimizing the amount of gambling you might be doing. That too on the long term scale would mean an even safer process.

Sport betting, Poker are something that needs skills and these have comparatively less dependency on luck. Trading can be risky too if you are going for those futures and options.

just hodl? I think hodl for a long time was just a high risk, just like gamble,
because we don't know the future, and only predict? obviously it's the same as gambling!,
it's better to trade on a daily basis and of course by using technical then you will not feel like gambling

At the moment, there are enough exchanges that already have a positive reputation, confirmed over the years, in order to choose a more comfortable one for themselves. Therefore, when choosing an exchange for trading, you should not consider options that lie outside the TOP-20 of the Coinmarketcap rating.

I don't see anything wrong with that, if you know what you are doing just holding your coins can be extremely profitable, to give you an example even with the current price anyone that bought their coins before 2021 is at minimum breaking even.

Only those that have bought their bitcoin recently are experimenting losses, and even those people can still obtain good profits as long as they hold their coins long enough, and if they still have some money to spare they could even use a dollar cost averaging strategy so they can begin to get profits even earlier.

When you bet, you are taking a risk with an undetermined consequence. A dice may provide you with varying degrees of confidence and uncertainty because you do not know the outcome, and you may lose all you own, but trading is a different story. When we trade, we make sure that risk is adequately handled, and you can always withdraw your money if the trade is not profitable, you can terminate your trades the instant you realize that you are losing money, but in gambling, your account will become empty the moment your outcome is untrue.

I wonder why he said that in trading, we just hold. So, are we trading or holding?  ;D
And yes, holding itself needs certain analysis, especially in which coins we are holding. For, not all coins are available for holding, they may be dead in the future or very soon. That is why this is only for the valuable coins enough.

What makes difference between gambling and trading is how we are doing it. In gambling, we may only do trading as we like, without any consideration, or analysis, and also only follow our friends, signal trading, or others. So, we are only based on luck whether we will take profits or not. But in trading, we must have certain analyses to make us aware of what coins we trade and we must also use certain strategies. This is also high risk, but fewer than gambling.

in case of some scam trading platforms. some make gambling features like futures trading. maybe that's a beginner's assumption about gambling and trading.

as you said, this is indeed something different. In terms of the chances of winning or losing, we can know that gambling has a greater risk. what is in gambling in my opinion is just luck.

but in trading skill and experience are very important. and that can determine the profit opportunities that we can get. We will determine whether to lose or gain.

This is the main difference in between gambling and trading which one is purely basing on luck and one does really require sufficient knowledge and skills for you to deal with but just like been said by most

people on here is that whenever you do make out some trades without having any sufficient knowledge or how trading works then you are really simply doing gambling considering that you
are dealing on something which you do really need those things and without those things then you are taking up a very huge risk.

Two are different things but it do really come into a point that you are already doing gambling basing up with your actions.

Depends on the coin that you hodl. If you hodl a new coin for a long time then that was risky because it was a new coin anyway and we are not sure yet if they are trusted but if you are going to hodl an old coin (say btc) for a long time then that was less risky.

Gambling is high risk because it's based only on chance, not only that but the house has the advantage over the players. You think hodling and gambling involves predicting but what about trading? Actually trading too. Sure you can use technical analysis but that isn't enough and there is still a chance that your trade is going to fail. Trading was in fact much riskier than in investing so it is more close to gambling.

if you play in futures trading, I can say it's gambling, because futures trading is very easy for you to lose your capital,
even I'm sure 99% of traders are always subject to liquidation, yes if you don't want to trade gambling,
you have to trade in the spot market, even if the price goes down, of course it can still recover if the market is bullish again

This issue of exchanges manipulating trading volume just to lure traders to pump and dump projects has been a serious case of concern in the crypto space. Most projects could go has far as paying some exchange to get their tokens listed on their exchange and also manipulate the trading volume to suit different interest. If buyers demand for trading volume from proBit its for the interest of their funds so the don't fall into failing projects. Crypto investment is more technical than it used to be in the early days of crypto currency now gradually manipulation is becoming a norm.

Assuming CMC had a red flag strong enough to warn potential buyers and investors of a project on how correct their information on the CMC are it would have been far better. But instead CMC only warns and still won't bring down those projects to avoid scams or pump and dump project

I guess OP doesn't mean literally gambling but this "take risky action in the hope of a desired result", this is the other meaning of the term "gambling", or to simplify it we could use the term "risk"(ing). Trading and the literal gambling however is exactly not the same thing, for me which I agree with. Gambling is simply on a different level that does not require any possible knowledge to defeat the odds of the game in which the house made. Therefore gambling that is luck-based should not be compared to trading, and not even the rest of it.

Trading is much more profitable if you will put extra effort on things that you should know before risking your money on trade, especially in futures trading. Trading is much easier for me than gambling, that's just my opinion.

Trading is gambling itself, take note of that. Future trading is risky, and a trader can easily gain and at the same time lose heavily if he or she don't trade with caution. I'm fully into futures trading, like yesterday, where I made a $100 profits on BNB with futures, but greed didn't allowed me to stop but kept on opening positions with BNB, thereby giving me more opportunities to make little gains from it. This morning, I got my account liquidated because BNB dump to 275 which I longed from 280. I was so angry but I've learnt my lessons not to jump into opening positions which you guessed.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts when reading this post. ''What the hell is Probit'' and what the...... is Geegoopuzzle (latest listed coin on there)?

My advice is the same: stay away from this stuff.

Depends on how much you know and how ready you are. It doesn't mean if you win or lose, because a newbie could just pick a coin they saw on twitter and profit and yet they gambled, just like how you can win when gambling. But even if a professional trader end up losing, they did everything right and the market was just volatile enough to make them lose and that wasn't gambling, thats just trading and you have losses in the trading world. So all in all, if you are a great trader that knows what they are doing and spent time learning what should be done in what situations, that would be trading, if you are just trading based on some tweets then you are gambling.

I don't think there is a problem with Probit, the problem in my opinion is that there are a lot of projects listed there that end up being scams,
even new projects with bad fundamentals can also be listed on Probit, that's why if you want to invest make sure the platform has a good reputation

Theirs something we have to understand concerning future trading. Because it do bring profit when you know exactly the criteria in this. What i want to let you know is that trading is different thing from gambling because with what I'm seeing right now many people is attaching trading as gambling.

A variety of cryptos are bought and sold on cryptocurrency trading platforms. Where a trader has to be skilled in the light of knowledge and experience. There are thousands of cryptocurrencies on the market, not all of which are viable. There is some shit coins that sometimes raises the hype to the highest level and at one point it is lost forever. In this case, many consider trading as gambling. Again it is true that many people compare future trade as gambling.

Yes, there is a clear difference between trading and gambling and I think the view that says both are the same needs to be straightened out,
trading is very complex it requires knowledge and skills in analyzing,
gambling is like relying only on luck

Some people doesn't believe that their is a huge difference between gambling and trading. But they seem it as something that have to deal with chance of luck. In the normal circumstances trading deals with calculated measure that deals with precaution and at that same vain it directly goes with your wisdom of understanding it, by reading and examine the chart, so the interpretation of chart will make you to know the tendency of making profit in trading. So that's the elementary thing a trader study to be successful. But gambling is not skill like trading. So their is difference between them.

We gamble and we trade...both are similar and involves risk taking. I will not be wrong if I say it is the same. I will give you an example. There are gambling sites that gamble on the price of crypto, what do we call them, casino or exchanges. That is a perfect example where gambling meets trading

On the thing you had been said is about into those binary type options kind of thing where you could eventually see on other gambling sites that we do have today where you could bet on bitcoins price movement and

other altcoins as well but since you cant really move or put up some indicators then it would really be hard to put up some analysis directly plus having that small scale timeframe then it is really hard
to make out some analysis in short time which means that it is really risky compared when you do really make trades on certain exchange platforms.
Gambling is totally different in level of risk compared to trading and you could definitely in between things.

There seems to be no clear solution to this problem yet. Many have suggested more transparency on how the exchange works, such as the exchange order book maybe even publishing their full order book for all to see (if this is possible) so as not to disappoint investors and users on the platform.

More importantly, maybe we need a better crypto exchange that takes security more seriously and has more safeguards to protect investors from unexpected losses. After all, as traders, our goal is not to predict the market, but rather to take advantage of existing price inefficiencies to make a profit, not a stalemate.

Both Hodling and trading carry risks. We just anticipate the price movement which might get wrong due to any of the reasons.

Actually, any form of trading is clearly related to speculation and it is unavoidable and not only futures trading will use speculation, even though it seems wrapped in analysis, but does not close by doing speculation that will happen.
there is a very thin line between trading and gambling, everything is of course with speculation that will be carried out although sometimes it seems that there is an analysis that needs to be done but does not rule out speculation.
In the end, it's all up to yourself in revealing what you're going to do, as long as it's for profit purposes.

But, despite how risky it was, still we have a way to minimize losses. Like, if we do trading, we don't have to rely on luck. Perhaps, doing it better and enhancing our knowledge and skill helps a lot more than speculating the market.
We have to be clear that trading is really different from gambling. Gambling was just 50/50 chances of winning, unlike trading which we can increase it by working it hard and pushing ourselves to the highest level.

Without knowing the fundamentals of market and cryptocurrency then you are not trading you are gambling and if you are investing your money wisely with all the knowledge then you are real trader

Trading will be different from gambling. because trading is not just a result of luck alone. there may be a new trader who trades from his luck alone. yes maybe it exists, but it's not necessarily owned by people.
Gambling is simply betting on the outcome of luck. there is no analysis, although it is possible to calculate the odds of winning and losing. but we can't control the bets we've made.
will be different when traders want to sell or keep holding the assets they have. control of the assets traded is 100% in the control of the trader.

I never said it's solely based on luck. Please read my post again.
You need luck alongside of research if you want to be successful in trading, especially on some occasions. Sure, if you have enough knowledge on trading analysis but having bad luck with how you open/close your trade then yea it's just bad anyways. You need a bit of luck on your side and you can't deny that, it matters on real life as well.

Yes indeed tide is one thing and trading is another thing. There is no question of trading with gambling.To trade we really need to know a lot about trading. If we are not well informed about trading then we will lose a lot from our trading platform.And gambling is where you place bets. Gambling depends entirely on luck.

Similar to gambling but we're not only relying on luck. As you have point out if you know and learn about crypto market and the fundamentals then you're using your knowledge to have a positive result on your trades.

On the other side, if you know nothing about crypto and not taking time to gain knowledge and make your own analysis then it's like gambling since you're relying on luck to gain, even you dont exert much effort as a trader.

in trading before we make a transaction, of course we have made a trading strategy, so when we make a transaction then if the market moves not according to plan, we already know the risk of losing. and of course this will be the same in determining the target, so there is no greed that will actually make us panic because the market reverses direction. so trading is not gambling. but many people trade by gambling

Gambling definitely doesn't need to learn anything and isn't as complex as trading,
i totally agree that gambling depends on luck and that is the fact,
trading requires knowledge and skills

You could really make out some differentiation on the time you do able to experience both things on which you could really able to find out on what are the main things needed and what are the things
that they do differ in terms of risk.If we do make trades then of course it would really be requiring some skills and knowledge unlike when you do gamble then it isnt really just too complex
to understand unlike trading which it does really require long time of experience and engagement before you do able to hone up those skills personally or on your own.
Lots had been trying out on making their trading skills to be more precise and effective but achieving this wont really be that easy.

Trading like gambling will most likely to resort into losses, so better stay away in trading if you are not even sure of yourself if you are capable on it. But even if trading is very risky, as long as you always prepared for it and you have the skills and strategies to combat the risk, then the result will not end up like gambling as you are likely to gain profits than losses.

These exchanges who are guilty of fake volume may be somehow controlled but stopping them would be hardly possible as they are also gaining good amount from it. So as much as possible, never trust new exchanges. DYOR first so that when you see red flags, then you will never end up compromising your money and lose them quickly just because you trusted a bad exchange or platform.

Depends on the type of gambling games. For me I find it difficult to place a bet in sports betting because every platform that I visit seem to be the same. The interface or the menu is so confusing but even if I figured it out, I still need a good knowledge on how the team plays so that I can increase my chances of winning. I can say that the complexity in sports betting can be the same with trading.

Sports betting again doesn't totally rely in luck, same with trading but you need a tiny pinch of luck in order to be successful in difficult situations. When we trade or play gambling, we gamble money but trading and gambling are both different activities.

The exchanges that fake volume may appear to be hard to control but once it's a CEX, not DEX, the exchange will have a price to pay now or in the future when the insider man manipulation is exposed and they have to choose either having a problem with the law which would cost them their reputation or let the market operate fairly.

I agreed with what you said about never trusting new exchanges because I was once a victim of one which end up as an exit scam but it's hard to foresee the red flags of crypto exchange unless the SEC intervenes.

That's it, in trading, you need to understand the whole thing and the market for you to make a difference and earn from it. While in gambling, there's also the same thing you need to do but it's for particular games.

But to gamble wholly, you don't need that much to think of what you must do because you can just sit down and play those games that are basing the results on luck.

We can't change that fact and every gambler and trader knows it.

Probably those included in the list have good reputation and would not do anything to ruin their own reputation, but still when buying crypto assets, we should still be cautious and mindful all the time. It’s the only way where we can avoid failures that resorts into losing our money and eventually lose everything. The reason why we should never trust exchanges the moment red flags setting in.

Those people who are confused between trading and gambling doesn't have a good grasp of what trading is and also have a little knowledge on gambling stuff.  There is a huge difference between the two, though there is a very thin line separating the two activity.

The huge difference between the two is the level of risk and the risk management approach.  Trading risk can be easily manage if a person is well verse with technical analysis and fundamental analysis while in gambling there is nothing to help us in avoiding the risk of losing since gambling relies on chance or luck to win.

The thin line separating the two is the preparation of trader during his trade.  If the trader just blindly putting buy order and sell order on a random asset without knowing or researching about it then that trader is making a gamble of his money.

People will react on this with the level of their understanding, because their is difference between gambling and trading, i know that the two embraces risk. But one thing i find out in gamble is that it's a game someone else will determine if you will lose or you will make a profit. Why trading is like institution where you will learn different methods of ways to make it, if you understand the primary things concerning trading, you can skip the forms of getting lose everytime. You can control your risk according to the last comment of someone here.

I agree with you saying both embraces risk. But gambling is more risky than trading because gambling is that you can lose everything you invest, it cannot be control when losing. Trading is controllable in times of losing or making profits. Please go for trading it will give you relief and scene of reasoning.

Trading is something complex, where there are several factors that can influence it. many of us are looking for the right method for ourselves to make a profit, and besides that we are required to remain calm and disciplined with the plans that have been made previously, because in many cases we actually experience panic when trading so this has a bad impact on decision making at the end of trading

Not really because you can also lose all the money you are trading with of course that is the situation. Gambling and trading are losing inclined.

Gambling can be controlled when you control yourself from staking more after losing initial bet  ;D


If you understand it but if you don't, you can stay away .

Well, I guess not. As long as you know that you are in trading, it is for sure you are acting to trade and do your best to make things right without thinking that you are gambling. In fact, it was too obvious to differentiate the two and we know that trading needs knowledge and skill, not LUCK, unless if you are gambling.
In the case that panic arises, you'd better stay away from trading as this is certainly not for you. We can't rely on LUCK in trading or else, we are putting our trades to 50/50 chances of winning which in fact, we can make better than that.

Its indeed complex but there are people who do really thought that it was really that simple on dealing with this market and on the time that they do able to face up the reality and been committed lots of mistakes

then this is where they do realize that this isnt something simple to deal with.You would really be just able to find out on the time that you do able to engage on.Trading would really be ending up on being like a

gamble if you dont know on what you are doing.Trading does really require knowledge and skills on dealing with it because doing steps without having knowledge is just simply a gamble.

Trading will come easier for us if we know how to lessen the risk and create more chances of winning or making profits. That is why when we trade, we should be more like professionals instead that are trading with good strategies in the market and with good market analysis. Otherwise, we end up like gambling if we always take for granted every time we decide to trade.

I don't think we gamble, but I suppose we trade. To my knowledge, gambling entails placing money on something so that if you lose, you lose it all, and there is no way to recover what you have lost. However, when it comes to explaining trade, it also involves whether we win or lose, but there is a high likelihood that we won't lose everything when trading, and there is also a good chance that we will gain in the future. Let stop comparing the two words even both risk and luck.

Winning gambling is under probability that the results is not certain,  it is totally different thing from trading. Trading is about training,  learning to make profit.  Though trading and gambling are risky but gambling is more risky than trading because it can't be controlled.  We can reduce the risk in trading by learning more. When a trader lacks knowledge in trading,  then trading can be as gambling because the risk involved will be exactly just as gambling.

People have that understanding when you take risk, you're gambling. And that's why for those people that don't really gamble and trade, they're having that belief that both are just gambling no matter how good or bad you are in both of it.
You place trades, they'll think that you're gambling. You gamble and then they won't think that you're trading, so that's the difference in that thinking but otherwise, they think of it as the same.

Trading can never be gambling both are different from each other. It can be compared to gambling when a trader trades without proper knowledge. Just as there is a certain amount of risk in trading without understanding, there is always a risk in gambling. So just only trading does not make you a real trader, that is why proper knowledge is required which a trader has to acquire before trading.

If one think that crypto is a gaming then it will be onerous to get best sum from crypto although there are multiple of gaming projects in crypto but crypto itself is not just like a game. Always concentrates and think seriously about your profit and loss. May be due to riskier nature of crypto people consider it as a gambling but trading in crypto often requires much attention than any other money generating mechanism.

Not really, it  depends on the way we trade. Betting is always a losing game and you will lose as long as you bet against the house, and even if you play games like poker the house always wins because of the rake and the money in the middle will go to them if you play long enough. That means we are going to always lose when gambling no matter what the game is.

However, when we are trading if we are a good trader then we will make a bit of a profit, but if we are a bad trader or a newbie one then we are going to lose money as well. So, it is not the same thing if we know what we are doing, but could be considered same for a newbie who is just starting out.

Gambling or trading depends on our approach. Trading is done with proper analysis and risk management whereas gambling has nothing to do with analysis or risk management. Gamblers either win or lose their entire capital.

You indeed said that gambling is always a matter of luck, that's why many people rely on luck, and most of them have taken years or even decades to practice gambling but not they still achieve the luck they long for to get the jackpot.

Whereas the practice of trading here in cryptocurrency can be compared to what an employee does, you just don't have a boss and time chasing that's the only difference, because it requires knowledge and skills, you can't be without it, not like gambling in crypto is not like that.

Yes, we trade in the market to ensure will achieve something reasonable that will make us feel good, and to attract more people to know how important trade is to humanity in the community. Those that gamble in crypto trading, always find it difficult to get it right by earning well from the market than to feel bad in the market because they gamble the market price without listen to their personal trading strategy. since we are still in the bear market, don't gamble by releasing your coins to the market in this bear season, because you will not earn a good profits from the market.

It depends on your strategy and action. If you are trading without any strategy, you are gambling. Also, if your strategy is to listen to everyone's opinion and take actions based on those is considered to be gambling because technically you are not listening to anyone at all.

If you have a strategy, you must be consistent with it. It's not just you think I will do this and that. It will be based on certain market movements and actions based on different circumstances.

In trading, of course, it is very important to have your own strategy.
indeed it is not an easy thing to find a strategy that suits us because it takes time to try several strategies,
if we just trade without a clear strategy it can be said to be gambling

When you are dealing with things which does require strategy then it would really be just right that you should really have one rather than on proceeding or going on without having any preparations is something that
can really be called as gambling.When we do make out some trades then we should really be needing to have strategy.It would be a never ending kind of search and learning considering this market is really
truly that unpredictable and there's no such thing about precise strategy that would assure out profitability.When we do trade then we should really make ourselves that prepared.
Its a never ending trial and error on finding out on what strategies would suit out on different conditions that you might encounter.

Be prepared for all things that will happen and including the risk of loss that must exist. Ordinary people who start to get into gambling are sometimes only mentally prepared but not for the knowledge of trading, this is a gap that will make these beginners practice gambling more than trading.
Knowledge of trading will be beneficial to find out what suitable strategies can be combined with several indicators and the like.
if you don't understand thoroughly, at least understand the basics of trading and the difference between real trading and trading that looks like gambling.

Indeed. The strategy has a big role to determine the success of trading. Without a strategy, you only gamble your money. But if you have a strategy, you must use certain ways to increase the chance of success in trading. The success always refers to gaining profits for sure.

To find a proper startegy sometimes you need to have a lot of experiences.
You may know a proper strategy after you failed using some strategies previously. So, a proper startegy is obtained from a learning process, it is through mistakes or failures.

My professional way to earn money is trading.But I had some good times with some fun on gambling.Gambling is not a easy one,we should learn it.The time need to learn gambling is 3 times more then a trading.In crypto trading,we had huge signals.We had some paid signals also,by that we can earn a decent profit from the trading.But only in gambling we can had fun using over money.Trading we do by the way to earn some money from it.But only the true gamblers know,gambling is full of entertainment.So gambling is not the earning platform.If you had a idea to do gambling,kindly do it as for the fun.Don’t expect any money from the gambling.It may leads to disappointment by the expectations.

You could really do both things.

Gamble is to entertain yourself and Trade is for investment purposes.We know the differences and we know on what we do need.There are indeed times that we do really just put up too much focus
on something which might result on for you on getting distracted rather than on making yourself get focused specially on trading. Its not bad to have these kind of activities or investment movement
as long you do benefit out and make you feel better and at the same time you do make money then its just common sense on reacting whether things turns out to be good or bad for us.
Just know the risk level involved and deal up according on what you could able to bare out.

What you have said is true. It is a never-ending learning period. The market evolves over time and provides a unique situation where we had to rethink about our strategy and take action based on our own minds. Experience and knowledge help in this kind of situation. So we must need to keep our strategy tested in every kind of situation we face and change it where needed.

Depends on how good you are isn't it? This has been talked before and I have said this before but it’s a common topic apparently. If you are trading with absolutely no idea what you are doing that’s called gambling, if you have been a trader for a decade and have made 20%+ yearly return on average for that period of time then you are doing the right thing.

There is really nothing wrong with what we have, it’s not that much of a trouble and if you are not certain then just make sure that you are not at the veteran profit level yet and be careful, because if you are at that level and know what you are doing then you wouldn't be uncertain of what you are doing and will be confident enough.

But most gamblers don't do it for fun, but they want to make money. It is an indisputable fact whether you admit it or not.

In some types of luck based gambling games, you don't have to spend hours learning how it works. But in trading, everything becomes difficult even if someone tells you it is easy. I know what the difference is and which is the best for making profit between gambling or trading. So of course there will be differences of opinion about which one is best for himself.

I very much agree with your opinion, a lot of people always focus on betting, it's easier, everything is left to chance and simply if you lose or win there will always be someone to blame for the reason you didn't win, and it's very difficult to learn of a bet, while in trading things are different, most of the responsibility lies directly with the same trader in question, and there the luck factor does play a role, but not as important as in betting, for trading sometimes luck is a factor that from 1 to 100%, for me it is 10%, the rest is due to knowledge, of course, it is my way of thinking.

That establishes the fact that, some games that are gambled upon is being studied too.

The thing is, one can actually gamble trades but when you do, you've got to understand that it is you testing your luck and it could always go anyway. You've got zero edge when you gamble but when you do some good analysis, you can have some idea over the market and not follow blindly.

Anyone could watch a game for something and has an idea on how to gamble on it but, just watching the chats without some in depth studies on what is to trading, your still going to be left without an idea.