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What happened::
Yesterday i tried to find person to exchange me BTC -> LTC and i found @alterra57 sent him 500usd worth of bitcoin and got blocked

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3453976

Reference Link:
idk whats that

Amount Scammed: 500 BTC/$500
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bf44f3b65573b3c8e975eb0f68e991a77621e037ff4492856e4c126d5c27222

PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/6xlEsBS
Additional Notes: I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.

Address to refund : MTdv4cXkj98MtZ8NEjHnc9oXiqpnmfX56X

You are saying that the member scammed you, I think we should listen to that member's side also. Because there is a lot to discuss in this matter, it is clear from a post of that member. If you have any more proofs please share them here, so that everything becomes clear and the member can be called a scammer.

This post should be read further:- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410573.msg60787610#msg60787610

How can he achieve the truth if users, using their authority, accused him of scam? Even if he sends all the evidence, they will yell that he is a scammer, just like they did to me

There is not enough evidence to prove that the member is actually a scammer. It doesn't seem worth arguing with you, because the state of your profile makes your reputation irrelevant. I would like to know if the OP actually sent the funds or not, because I have doubts about the op after seeing @alterra57's post. So more discussion is important.

Your case was, you were trying to sell some coin that does not worth $1 against USDT. So clearly you were intentionally trying to scam people. There are no point to yell. You need to learn to move on.

Can you sign one of the input address of the tx? This will prove that the coin were sent from your wallet.

Reading your conversation, I am going to tag the accused party. I hope they come and defend in their support.

He himself admitted to scam - read for yourself:

Please don't! If you read the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410573.msg60787610) started by alterra57, you will realize who is the real scamper here.

I'll just comment on this:
OP, from the screenshot you posted, in one of your replies you said this: "Give me proof  it's me and take money I m not dsadsa and I don't know who is this".
I'll give you a proof. This is the transaction ID sent by dsadsa: https://mempool.space/tx/c306113746b9cf78d6823ee75260ad311d612f0ae3c145207bccf71b2fdb5e44
Which was replaced by this one: https://mempool.space/tx/e5e783122e3c2dcd3b4ec3b1ed5533fe3b0438512c5597625351d0f108737c7f
The coins were sent to this address: bc1qtey6w27temcjdsv5uaglfa97d3a56flfv6w7eh which was used as input in the transaction you shared as proof of payment (it's your address)

So, can you explain why someone you don't even know who he is (sdasda) sent you $500 worth of bitcoin?

amazing  :D

Now let's find out that alterra57 = Deonnn.

Just kiddin'

Thank you very much for this. I will never forget this. Please send me your USDC address on Solana, I'd like to send you 50 USD, for a beer.

F**k you! LOL. Good Job.

After finding out the connection I do not think Deonnn should have an answer. I am going to remove the tag from alterra57 and will request him to send the difference back. As I assume he received higher amount than the amount Deonnn / his alt wanted to scam.

@alterra57, sorry bother for misunderstanding.

Should I send the difference back or punish this little scammer for what he did? I cannot be the first victim, nor the last one. I think I'll send 50 USD to khaled0111 and donate the rest to an animal shelter or something.

Now you're going to use the stolen money to buy beer for your friends? Return $500 immediately!

You will not get any good results by trying this. Because the Op did something that if proven would get the tag on the op's own account. If alterra57 has withheld the op's funds even after receiving the funds, that's something to think about. It is important to discuss information from both sides here. Because if op has sent funds and alterra57 refuses to return his funds then he must be tagged by community members. So waiting is a good move now.

OP was connected to the scammer, the "extra" funds that he sent he sent to gain my trust and scam a lot more in the future from me. That or something went wrong and he couldn't double spend like with the previous account. His money will be donated.

Yes you should. Because you are not a scammer like him. After deducting the amount he scammed you, the rest are his money not yours. So, from moral point of view I will suggest you to send the money back to his wallet and move on. His account is already tagged so at least from this account he can not do any trade.

16xypjnxlrew = Deonnn  ??? ::) :D

I see, right now I'm 100% sure the money he sent me he scammed from someone else so I have decided to donate those money to an animal shelter (I love cats). If I send the coins back to him he will keep on doing what he does best, scam people out of their hard earned money.

There are no problem if you donate money that your own but it's not your own (remaining). Technically it's his money so if I was you then I would return the difference back. I don't need to care where from the money came. That's his business.

You have no evidence that he is the same person! He believed you - and made a deal, and you robbed him! Now all your friends, including BitcoinGirl.Club, are screaming that you are honest, and he is a scammer

Learn how to read troll.

Don't twist your dick, dickhead.

I don't have $500, only 100 UST and $100 futures

Since you don't own the money, and the op actually owns the money, I think donating the money might not be the right decision. So think again what you want to do, because everything depends on your decision. Scammers won't even stop their operations, they'll use the same trick on someone else later.

check your IP and IP of Deonnn  :D

Stop writing bullshit!

I think alterra57 shouldn't return anything to him because this scammer tried to manipulate all of us

Don't you love the blockchain? :D

Now that's an interesting ethical question I don't have a direct answer for.

Do you know how long it took between the transaction and confirmation? We've had many blocks (https://www.bitrawr.com/difficulty-estimator) recently, and double spending isn't a guaranteed game indeed.

I'd say don't refund him yet. Maybe you'll be able to find earlier victims if you trace back where the funds came from. Refunding them is much more satisfying.

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@Deonnn: Since you so clearly got busted with on-chain evidence, do you mind playing open cards here? Be honest, come clean, share your experiences as a scammer with the Bitcointalk community. I'd love to see inside a scammer's mind!

Took less than 2 minutes for the first confirmation to take place, it surprised me as it was really fast but it's Saturday today so the chain isn't as crowded as it is during week days. His "calculations" did not have that in.

Thank you for the suggestion, I will try and identify the victim/s if they are members of this forum which I doubt, he probably scammed someone in a Telegram group as that is how a lot of these scammers operate.

And Deon, share your inner workings with us, I too am interested in learning how rotten someone has to be to steal money from people.

Will you move your topic to the scam accusations? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Nice work.  As soon as I realized there were two conflicting scam accusations I figured the blockchain could shed some light on the truth.



Stealing from a thief is still stealing.  It's been proven that he stole from you, and now you've recovered that money.  If there's a way to prove the remainder was also stolen, then it should be returned to it's rightful owners.  Otherwise, no matter what noble cause on which you propose to spend the money makes it any less theft on your part.

When we find out that Deonnn got the 500 bucks from let's say user ABC.
How much should alterra57 send ABC  ::)

Ever hear of subtraction?  It goes something like this:

500 - 170 = 330

Refund me atleast 330 how staff says it

Maybe fair and better?:

alterra57:
(170/670) * 500 = 127

ABC:
(500/670) * 500 = 373

The only person who mentioned the number 330 is me.  I'm not staff, and I have no say whatsoever what alterra57 does with the money.  You've been proven to be a liar and a scammer, so no one really cares whether you get the money back or not.

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Oooooh, ratios!?!  Who's the smart boy?

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What's the matter, did you gamble away the grocery money?

Lol, because you look like just another scammer sniffing around for a handout, Chahan.  Or should I say Maasdamer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.msg60791262#msg60791262)?

Why then did you support the scammer before?

See, these "proof of payments" are fucked. Nowadays people are not even using signed messages anymore, but blockchain transactions which could be theirs or could belong to some random person. Thus a person could commit fraud by producing an arbitrary transaction on a block explorer as a "proof of payment".

This "proof of payment" is only valid between buyer and seller, and meaningless to everyone else. There is no way (currently) to prove that you actually sent Bitcoins somewhere.

"Staff" has nothing to do with this. Maybe this is a good moment to ask for "source of funds", like a bank would do. I'm pretty sure you scammed the money from someone else.

True, but since the other party didn't contest it and more or less confirmed it in their own thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410573.0), I don't doubt this transaction happened between those two users.

Good find. While I stand by what I said in the other thread, that the chat logs alone were not enough to conclusively prove a link, this blockchain evidence is irrefutable that these two users are the same person.

It is completely justified for OP to keep the amount he was scammed. What happens with the remainder of the amount is up to him. Personally, I would probably return the remainder of the funds, although I can see the merit behind either donating them or trying to refund other victims of this scammer.

But he said that he received it so lol

Remember when you called me stupid Deon?  :-\

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My goal was to verify if the OP really sent BTC from the input address of the transaction he linked in the OP. People can take random ID from blockchain and claim that it's their transaction. But anyway, we already know now what happened. Thanks to khaled0111.

I don't add people, you can go ahead and add me.

I sent u invite

Don't send him anything, he will deceive others!