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Title: Global famine
Post by: gweb1996 on August 22, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
I can confirm that it is major drought, i seen it with my own eyes

Corn zero harvest this year
Sunflower zero harvest this year

Pff... we are f..ked !


Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYUWBwzIfXY

France
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ_yarUrgVQ

Italy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMvfterWnM

Romania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAFMW0I-jxs

China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12CrnET3wTo

USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyQp5-Bu6lI


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Vaskiy on August 22, 2022, 10:23:19 PM
People are suffering for food all around, and in some countries people have come to the streets and fight against the ruling government. It have happened in Sri Lanka and more than ten countries line-up on the list. Anytime scenario could turn worse on those countries.

The major reason is connected with the war between Russia and Ukraine who were the major exporters of wheat. Another thing is the oil supply shortage which resulted in the increase of all basic needs. In my country the production is quite good, and particularly in my state the wheat production during this time have increased alot and farmers are very happy about it.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: gweb1996 on August 22, 2022, 10:46:04 PM
People are suffering for food all around, and in some countries people have come to the streets and fight against the ruling government. It have happened in Sri Lanka and more than ten countries line-up on the list. Anytime scenario could turn worse on those countries.

The major reason is connected with the war between Russia and Ukraine who were the major exporters of wheat. Another thing is the oil supply shortage which resulted in the increase of all basic needs. In my country the production is quite good, and particularly in my state the wheat production during this time have increased alot and farmers are very happy about it.

Don't be to happy ... emigrants will come visit your country very soon if you have food...


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: edgycorner on August 22, 2022, 11:30:06 PM
I guess it's time to rewatch interstellar  :D I will never stop loving this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcB0RjGNG8

It's always entertaining to watch the civilization's demise on a screen, but perplexing when it's happening around you in the real world.

You will still find people, even after all this evidence, who will continue to deny climate change. These people includes the affected farmers from these countries(farmers in US will vote republicans for dumb reasons; and don't forget about ongoing Netherlands farmer protests too :) ). Strange world.



Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: autumnleaf on August 23, 2022, 02:23:00 AM
I think the world government should give priority to agriculture and mass production of corn, beans, rice even seeds. We seldom find to see news development about agriculture even it has it is only minimal and only affect local or small provinces and that is not enough to produce for our needs. Most Billionaires focus on technology, evolutions and research on galaxies and finding aliens and new planet. I understand that it can be helpful to us about history and future, but if they can produce billions of dollars on this matter why not share and fund it to help government or initiate plan to address this serious situation that will greatly affect humanity.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: bittraffic on August 23, 2022, 02:39:29 AM

Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Dave1 on August 23, 2022, 04:15:30 AM
Yeah, I just saw some local news report and the Heat wave in Europe is really devastating, Danube River and any other major  waters are drying up. So it's a bit scary when I saw that news and in the next 15 years the glaciers will melted totally causing more global catastrophe. On the other side, here in our country, we have storms coming like 2-3 every month, so the world is really changing.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: avikz on August 23, 2022, 04:49:04 AM
It's just starting to happen! EU is now understanding that global warming is real when many Irish people had to buy a fan for the first time in their life. A lot is changing. But we are human race and we have been through couple of extinction cycles already and we won everytime. So this time we will also win.

But some drastic changes will be seen in coming years. Our daily lifestyle will have to be changed. Deforestation has to be stopped. Plastic usage will have to be stopped completely, dependency on fossil fuel needs to be shifted to alternate sources etc. It's our responsibility to make it good. Be the change you wish to see!


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Ozero on August 23, 2022, 05:44:52 AM
Yeah, I just saw some local news report and the Heat wave in Europe is really devastating, Danube River and any other major  waters are drying up. So it's a bit scary when I saw that news and in the next 15 years the glaciers will melted totally causing more global catastrophe. On the other side, here in our country, we have storms coming like 2-3 every month, so the world is really changing.
We are witnesses and participants of global climate change on our planet. Instead of uniting in front of the growing threat, humanity, as always, only strives to bring the catastrophe closer. First of all, I mean Russia's large-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Now environmentalists are sounding the alarm because of the constant explosions in Ukraine, which threatens the environment and can pollute the soil with heavy metals for a hundred years, and the air with harmful emissions.

In addition, the Russians have seized the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, and are blackmailing the world with a nuclear threat. The United States and Great Britain have already officially warned Russia that if the threat of an accident and the release of radiation becomes real, they will take preventive measures and Russia will cease to exist. In any case, this will not add to the normalization of the climate. The threat of starvation is nothing compared to the madness of the Putin regime, which is also dragging the world into a nuclear aoina. I am surprised at the stupid calmness of the Russian people, who, it turns out, are indifferent to their future. After all, they put Putin's imperial ambitions above their own existence.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: jossiel on August 23, 2022, 05:54:34 AM
Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?
Global climate change has something to do with these massive droughts. I can't imagine that this is happening for real right now. Yeah, the world is 3/4 of water and yet, we're experiencing droughts.

In some countries in Africa, I've read the news that it's around millions of people that are experiencing famine. This is for now, and not the past stats included which are being romanticized by international news outlets.

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.
Yeah, water and food shortage is happening. That's why it will depend to the leaders of the world if they will participate to at least mitigate this crisis.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: odunybiz on August 23, 2022, 08:35:22 AM
I can confirm that it is major drought, i seen it with my own eyes

Corn zero harvest this year
Sunflower zero harvest this year

Serious famine and great economy downfall. Agricultural products are raw materials for most industries. If this raw materials are not available, it will cause alot of issues to the world economy. This include:

1. Famine
2. High standard of living: Less produce with high demand will lead to increase in price of goods.
3. Unemployment: Since industries couldn't find raw materials to produce, they will definitely lay off some of their staffs.

It is high time various Government leaders of each country go back to agriculture. Irrigation can be done to solve this problem. Although cost of irrigation may be high for most farmers in some countries. Government of each country have a key role to play here, these include:

👉 Providing loan for citizen who which to invest into agriculture
👉And also encourage citizen to invest more on agriculture.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Ucy on August 23, 2022, 09:52:48 AM
I guess it's time to rewatch interstellar  :D I will never stop loving this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcB0RjGNG8

It's always entertaining to watch the civilization's demise on a screen, but perplexing when it's happening around you in the real world.

You will still find people, even after all this evidence, who will continue to deny climate change. These people includes the affected farmers from these countries(farmers in US will vote republicans for dumb reasons; and don't forget about ongoing Netherlands farmer protests too :) ). Strange world.



Climate change as defined by the world can't be blamed for the problem. If you want your farm to do well move to somewhere else, possibly within your country but far away from people whose farms are failing... the issue is with the way of life of such people not the farms. Then you can gather people whose farms are doing well to live with you & let them guide you or possibly learn their good culture and never look back at the bad. Once you produce enough food you can give to the needy ones who can't produce enough/atall and make sure they learn your new way of life.  The new way of life has to be based on the Word of GOD which basically teaches Love for the CREATOR of all things and love for humans. If you love the CREATOR, you will not misuse/abuse HIS Creations, you will do things that pleases HIM and things will go well for you.






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Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Yatsan on August 23, 2022, 01:18:34 PM
Really observable especially to third world countries. Cost of living indeed increased; from the price of oil up to the things we are using on our daily lives. Simply shows how world economy is being affected by the changes. If I would be asked for the reason, it is i guess over population. The minerals or raw materials we are harvesting from the nature or even to agricultural sectors are becoming limited and lacking to the number of consumers which yields to vast increase with the prices. What's sad is that, to some countries, inspite of shortage with daily needs, governments are still not giving enough attention to this problem. They are more focused with tourist spots and technology leaving behind the necessities.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: naira on August 23, 2022, 01:45:04 PM
I think the world government should give priority to agriculture and mass production of corn, beans, rice even seeds. We seldom find to see news development about agriculture even it has it is only minimal and only affect local or small provinces and that is not enough to produce for our needs. Most Billionaires focus on technology, evolutions and research on galaxies and finding aliens and new planet. I understand that it can be helpful to us about history and future, but if they can produce billions of dollars on this matter why not share and fund it to help government or initiate plan to address this serious situation that will greatly affect humanity.
What world government do you mean? how can it be implemented if every land in this country is used up to build tall buildings that soar to the sky and then the greenery is neglected? Don't expect to get global attention when the natural resources in your own environment don't really reflect that they are well cared for. In particular, waterways, drilling, and factory waste are everywhere and now environmentalists, agricultural and so on, have nowhere to voice their opinions.

Talking global is easy, but believe me, it is based on the environment in every region of the country that has sufficient agricultural land to grow wheat and corn.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Husires on August 23, 2022, 03:24:11 PM
On the other hand, floods and torrents have swept parts of areas that were not affected by these torrents. All that is happening is climatic changes that humans are responsible for in one way or another, and humanity must take solutions for that.

On the other hand, the energy crisis will put solutions that pollute the environment first, and therefore the poor and poor people in all countries are the ones who will pay


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Fortify on August 23, 2022, 06:02:10 PM
I can confirm that it is major drought, i seen it with my own eyes

Corn zero harvest this year
Sunflower zero harvest this year

Pff... we are f..ked !


Climate scientists have been predicting these scenarios for a long time and it is finally catching up to us. You can only abuse the world for so long before eventually you start to make in uninhabitable - in reality once these "runaway train" situations get going it might be past the point of no return. You'll see the North and South ice caps disappear, sea levels rising further and the most extreme ends of the weather occurring more frequently. If we continue to heat up the planet via all our activities, then it's possible that the atmosphere.. a few hundred years down the line will not support human life without assistance. Another tragedy is that all the plant life, insects and animals will also find it very hard to adapt fast enough to these changes so we will see vast drops in diversity.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Moeda on August 23, 2022, 06:21:42 PM
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Crop failure only occurs in certain countries, as you have mentioned. There are most other countries where there is no dry season that can produce abundant harvests. But unfortunately the global crisis occurred in its entirety, this was caused by the high price of fuel.
We know the largest oil exporter is Russia, but because of the war between Russia and Ukraine and the Nato intervention, it is difficult to supply oil to other countries. Nonetheless, Russia remains in an advantageous position. Every day they spend 1 billion dollars on war costs, but get 6 billion dollars from the sale of oil. So they get a profit of 5 billion dollars per day. This they do by selling oil below the market price.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Anonylz on August 23, 2022, 08:11:57 PM
These countries @op have mentioned above are not exactly affected by the war so I can't seem to understand the presence of femininity in countries like china which is among the top powerful country in the world. I don't think farming corn is a problem in china, as a technological advance country with the right tool for farming there shouldn't be a problem. so I don't find the info above very authentic.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: South Park on August 23, 2022, 08:42:01 PM

Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.

It may seem difficult to believe but this is the reality we have to face, most likely the armed conflicts of the future will not be because of oil but because of water, some countries which have cold climates like Canada have huge reserves of fresh water they can always try to exploit, but the rest of the countries depend on the water it comes to them with rain and the water that is below ground, however there has been an over-exploitation of the water going underground so a reduction in our harvest capacity seems like it is inevitable, increasing the problem of famine around the world in the process.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Hydrogen on August 23, 2022, 11:55:42 PM
Deforestation is part of it. Trees suck water out of the ground by their roots and evaporate it from their leaves producing water vapor. This later becomes rain. Chopping down forests reduces global water evaporation and rainfall. Another element to it is rising human population. Which results in greater water consumption.

These two trends combine to produce a double whammy of reduced rainfall and increased consumption. Which is also known as "drought". Reducing carbon emissions won't be enough to reverse the trend.

Communal gardens are one option for famine. Government subsidized farming programs are another. The state typically holds many acres of land in trust. Some of which can be converted into farmland. Volunteer farming programs to teach food growing and farming for free could find corporate sponsors to fund them. There are steps which could be taken to address global famine.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: bittraffic on August 24, 2022, 01:44:53 AM
Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?
Global climate change has something to do with these massive droughts. I can't imagine that this is happening for real right now. Yeah, the world is 3/4 of water and yet, we're experiencing droughts.

In some countries in Africa, I've read the news that it's around millions of people that are experiencing famine. This is for now, and not the past stats included which are being romanticized by international news outlets.

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.
Yeah, water and food shortage is happening. That's why it will depend to the leaders of the world if they will participate to at least mitigate this crisis.

Yet the news they were telling us years ago was that the ice in the north and south regions are melting and they are speculating the earth is sinking. Kind of the opposite might happen.

Did you know that world leaders are also expecting us to eat insects?
It's what they have been discussing also to solve hunger/famine. Yes. You will eat insects and be happy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVxhgHGBgg


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: amishmanish on August 24, 2022, 03:46:30 AM
I read sins of fathers are bestowed upon the sons.. the global warming caused by human actions has started to wreck hovac on us.. we have entered Holocene, an age of extinction. We need serious science to overcome these challenges. We need brilliant minds to come together and save us


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 24, 2022, 06:07:01 AM
Global Warming, Climate Change, Food shortages, People protesting.
I think we can say that we are near to the end of the world already. :-\ JK

War must be stopped. Deforestation must be stopped. Governments must focus on the agriculture right now. We need to help each other so that we will survive.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Nhazwrath on August 24, 2022, 10:53:49 AM
Deforestation is part of it. Trees suck water out of the ground by their roots and evaporate it from their leaves producing water vapor. This later becomes rain. Chopping down forests reduces global water evaporation and rainfall. Another element to it is rising human population. Which results in greater water consumption.

These two trends combine to produce a double whammy of reduced rainfall and increased consumption. Which is also known as "drought". Reducing carbon emissions won't be enough to reverse the trend.

Communal gardens are one option for famine. Government subsidized farming programs are another. The state typically holds many acres of land in trust. Some of which can be converted into farmland. Volunteer farming programs to teach food growing and farming for free could find corporate sponsors to fund them. There are steps which could be taken to address global famine.

deforestation is currently not a thing.   .  a century ago yes.   now.   2/3's of all farmland has already returned to forest. 

If you Know the news is lying to you about bitcoin.   why would you think they aren't lying to you about just about anything else?

Evaporation?   almost ALL evaporation comes from the oceans?  70% water surface area and all that.   


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Asiska02 on August 24, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
I read sins of fathers are bestowed upon the sons.. the global warming caused by human actions has started to wreck hovac on us.. we have entered Holocene, an age of extinction. We need serious science to overcome these challenges. We need brilliant minds to come together and save us

There have been many ideas for solutions, but the government is once more the problem. The most affected regions' governments should take a more active role in this. If the government doesn't offer a long-term remedy, it will undoubtedly produce chaos shortly. I've read that there are famines happening all over the world, but I just can't imagine what the residents there are going through. It hurts a lot to have money to buy food but still have nothing to buy. Especially those nations whose whole economy relies on exports. Globally, this can be resolved by working together, but until we have each other's best interests at heart. I'm hoping a long-term remedy may be found shortly.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Kakmakr on August 24, 2022, 12:02:39 PM
Russia and Ukraine together account for nearly 30% of the global wheat trade. So almost a 3rd of all wheat produced are coming from two countries.  :o  Source : https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country

Now, we have a double whammy... with the Russian Federation being the largest sunflower producer in the world with 15,379,287 tonnes production per year and the Ukraine coming in second with 15,254,120 tonnes yearly production. (These two countries are currently at war)  ::)

People use Wheat as a staple food and they use cooking oil that are derived from Sunflowers to cook their food and to bake their bread.  :P


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: stompix on August 24, 2022, 01:59:29 PM
Russia and Ukraine together account for nearly 30% of the global wheat trade. So almost a 3rd of all wheat produced are coming from two countries.  :o  Source : https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country

You're mistaken trade with production. The source you're mentioning says clearly it's 30% of the trade but it's only 16% out of the top 9 wheat producers considering the Eu is the second largest as a whole with 126,658,950 tons, so bigger than Russia and Ukraine combined, and their actual size is less than 8% considering global porduction.

Also, rather than clickbait titles about famine and the end of the world
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/german-farm-association-expects-bigger-winter-wheat-crop

Quote
Germany's 2022 winter wheat crop will increase to about 21.8 million tonnes from 21.0 million tonnes last year, the DBV association of German farmers said on Tuesday. The hot weather was an advantage in some areas, allowing a rapid completion of harvesting of up to three weeks earlier than usual, the association said.
The harvest of grains of all types is expected to increase to about 43 million tonnes, up about 2% from last year, DBV said.

Oh crap, the end of the world and world famine won't come this year either, what a letdown for some grave robbers!


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Argoo on August 24, 2022, 02:06:58 PM
Global Warming, Climate Change, Food shortages, People protesting.
I think we can say that we are near to the end of the world already. :-\ JK

War must be stopped. Deforestation must be stopped. Governments must focus on the agriculture right now. We need to help each other so that we will survive.
I agree that humanity must now unite to solve the pressing problem of global climate change. And even more so deliberately and on a large scale not to harm the environment, as Russia is doing now, having arranged the genocide of the Ukrainian people and systematically fires thousands of shells every day from all types of weapons across the territory of Ukraine. This is very harmful to the ecology in the center of Europe, littering the valuable black soils of Ukraine with heavy metals for a hundred years. Because of this, productivity in Ukraine will fall and the problem of hunger in the world will only worsen.
How to stop this war now, when the Putin regime understands only the language of force?


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: $anounimus$ on August 24, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
However, the Global Recession is a very real threat. Both Famine and lack of food and water are major threats that we as a civilization face on this planet and it seems that very few are aware of these threats or deny the very real dangers. The three key questions we need to consider are together. Will there be food scarcity, Will this shortage lead to worldwide hunger And if famine does occur, how will we survive?

If possible prepare for the worst while hoping for the best for a period of 1-4 years later if it lasts for some time.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Mometaskers on August 24, 2022, 06:09:16 PM
Time to eat bugs I guess, just as the Emperor wills it LOL. But really, if it all comes down to dying, we'd probably end up eating bugs while the rich would still manage to have access to steak. You will eat bugs and you will be happy.

Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.


If only we can cheaply desalinate as much as we want without much environmental impact, no? Maybe that would become a thing for many countries in the future, not just desert countries.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: jossiel on August 24, 2022, 06:39:25 PM
~snip~

Yet the news they were telling us years ago was that the ice in the north and south regions are melting and they are speculating the earth is sinking. Kind of the opposite might happen.
I still remember about the melting of big ice rocks. And it's always the reason why there are increase in sea levels.

Did you know that world leaders are also expecting us to eat insects?
It's what they have been discussing also to solve hunger/famine. Yes. You will eat insects and be happy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVxhgHGBgg
Exotic.

I have seen people eating insects but those that are proven to be clean and really edible ones. But if it's like just random insects and due to the famine there's really no option and we're like going to the point of apocalypse.

People will really have no option and there's much worse to it but, I'll let you take the guess.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: virasisog on August 24, 2022, 09:29:15 PM
However, the Global Recession is a very real threat. Both Famine and lack of food and water are major threats that we as a civilization face on this planet and it seems that very few are aware of these threats or deny the very real dangers. The three key questions we need to consider are together. Will there be food scarcity, Will this shortage lead to worldwide hunger And if famine does occur, how will we survive?

If possible prepare for the worst while hoping for the best for 1-4 years later if it lasts for some time.

This has been happening for a long time but the situation now is quite getting worse because the agriculture of most countries is currently affected by the global crisis as well as climate change. I guess it's time for everyone to look for alternatives and find another source of food for us to survive. We can't rely everything on the government.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Gyfts on August 24, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Global warming has little to do with the food shortages that the globe is currently seeing. The expectation that a modest rise in global temperature over the next 100 years would cause famine, not factoring in mitigation efforts, is absurd. You'd cause more damage trying to limit oil/gas energy expenditures in exchange for renewables in terms of global food production. Don't let the climate alarmists fool you.

This is strictly about the war. Russia is a large exporter of fertilizers and I believe Ukraine might be involved in some chemical manufacturing related to agricultural industries. I'm not sure how large their global exports are, but Russia has sizeable exports that could cause famine if production/export ceased. Some countries are beginning to hoard food as a result.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Raflesia on August 24, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
This is getting worse and worse and indeed seeing Sri Lanka taking to the streets due to one of them from the food crisis is a notice and an early start that makes several other countries also wary.
Now hunger is everywhere and this of course will have so much impact that it is quite difficult at this time to say that the world is doing well because the facts are not like that.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: STT on August 24, 2022, 11:59:31 PM
Global warming means new areas will be used for growing and old areas no long as useful.  I can see an accelerated rise to fertilizer all the various types as important to establish these new areas, Ive been bullish on commodities overall for a while. We'll probably see demand vs supply ensuring  higher prices for the next decade, weak currency only helps emphasize that effect.
  Global warming, war and just a large world population requiring more food production all will equate to higher volatility in markets, we have less agrarian economies so those that do produce must achieve more, global commerce becomes more important when nations become more industrialized.
   There are possible break throughs that are not being mentioned, technology has enabled faster better more efficient growth of food.  We have the possibility of bio diesel also, not just the known types of fuel but new production via algae growth; at present these hybrids are too fragile for mass production.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: bittraffic on August 25, 2022, 01:01:13 AM
~snip~

Yet the news they were telling us years ago was that the ice in the north and south regions are melting and they are speculating the earth is sinking. Kind of the opposite might happen.
I still remember about the melting of big ice rocks. And it's always the reason why there are increase in sea levels.

Did you know that world leaders are also expecting us to eat insects?
It's what they have been discussing also to solve hunger/famine. Yes. You will eat insects and be happy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVxhgHGBgg
Exotic.

I have seen people eating insects but those that are proven to be clean and really edible ones. But if it's like just random insects and due to the famine there's really no option and we're like going to the point of apocalypse.

People will really have no option and there's much worse to it but, I'll let you take the guess.

Cambodia and Thailand have these delicacies already and they culture crickets in massive production because they were eating these insects for a long time including tarantulas. Easier for them to adopt. But for some culture, it may not be acceptable especially if they come from an abundant place and only knows burgers and hotdogs.

Global warming means new areas will be used for growing and old areas no long as useful.  I can see the rise of fertilizer as important to establish these new areas, Ive been bullish on commodities overall for a while. We'll probably see demand vs supply ensuring  higher prices for the next decade, weak currency only helps emphasize that effect.
  Global warming, war and just a large world population requiring more food production all will equate to higher volatility in markets, we have less agrarian economies so those that do produce must achieve more, global commerce becomes more important when nations become more industrialized.

Corn will be easier to plant in drought, it doesn't need much water but its fertilizers today are the problem because it's also affected by inflation which farmers couldn't afford.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Darker45 on August 25, 2022, 02:08:41 AM
People are suffering for food all around, and in some countries people have come to the streets and fight against the ruling government. It have happened in Sri Lanka and more than ten countries line-up on the list. Anytime scenario could turn worse on those countries.

The major reason is connected with the war between Russia and Ukraine who were the major exporters of wheat. Another thing is the oil supply shortage which resulted in the increase of all basic needs. In my country the production is quite good, and particularly in my state the wheat production during this time have increased alot and farmers are very happy about it.

I guess OP is talking about a developing global famine in relation to a severe drought. It is basically a phenomenon of food shortage which is primarily brought about by a changing climate more than anything else. The invasion of Russia is also definitely contributing to food shortage in one way or another but it is only artificial. It is not due to climate change. It is basically due to some crooked imagination.

My country is also affected by climate change in many ways. Severe floods, extreme heat, and stronger typhoons are also wreaking havoc to our agriculture and overall food production. The rest of Southeast Asia must have also felt the effects of climate change in food production.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: SirLancelot on August 25, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?
I didn't feel it. Maybe it wasn't critical as food shortage because as you said the world is made up of mostly water and the ones that has a water problem are away from the bodies of water but no worries because they receiving a help from different countries. Often times we will see celebrities going on those dry places and they are building up a water system.

People can endure without electricity for days to months but without water and there is a food crisis, it's really that bad for what's coming yet we are very close to WW3.
This is what my parents are saying that it is better to live without electricity than to have no water because there was once a storm here and it causes for the water and electricity to stop functioning. Luckily there are well's from a far where we can get some water. When it comes to food crisis, I think that it is possible to survive as long as you are not lazy because you can always grow your own crops on your background.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: ningrum on August 25, 2022, 03:15:41 PM
This is getting worse and worse and indeed seeing Sri Lanka taking to the streets due to one of them from the food crisis is a notice and an early start that makes several other countries also wary.
Now hunger is everywhere and this of course will have so much impact that it is quite difficult at this time to say that the world is doing well because the facts are not like that.
I think we have to accept the fact that the world is not doing well and there are a lot of serious problems,
famine, inflation, and also in Europe experiencing drought,
It can be said that the problems that occur are quite complex


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: be.open on August 25, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
Russia and Ukraine together account for nearly 30% of the global wheat trade. So almost a 3rd of all wheat produced are coming from two countries.  :o  Source : https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country

You're mistaken trade with production. The source you're mentioning says clearly it's 30% of the trade but it's only 16% out of the top 9 wheat producers considering the Eu is the second largest as a whole with 126,658,950 tons, so bigger than Russia and Ukraine combined, and their actual size is less than 8% considering global porduction.

Also, rather than clickbait titles about famine and the end of the world
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/german-farm-association-expects-bigger-winter-wheat-crop

Quote
Germany's 2022 winter wheat crop will increase to about 21.8 million tonnes from 21.0 million tonnes last year, the DBV association of German farmers said on Tuesday. The hot weather was an advantage in some areas, allowing a rapid completion of harvesting of up to three weeks earlier than usual, the association said.
The harvest of grains of all types is expected to increase to about 43 million tonnes, up about 2% from last year, DBV said.

Oh crap, the end of the world and world famine won't come this year either, what a letdown for some grave robbers!

The European Union has more than twice the population of Russia and Ukraine combined. That is why the European Union produces a lot, but exports relatively little.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: edgycorner on August 25, 2022, 09:32:42 PM
I guess it's time to rewatch interstellar  :D I will never stop loving this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcB0RjGNG8

It's always entertaining to watch the civilization's demise on a screen, but perplexing when it's happening around you in the real world.

You will still find people, even after all this evidence, who will continue to deny climate change. These people includes the affected farmers from these countries(farmers in US will vote republicans for dumb reasons; and don't forget about ongoing Netherlands farmer protests too :) ). Strange world.



Climate change as defined by the world can't be blamed for the problem. If you want your farm to do well move to somewhere else, possibly within your country but far away from people whose farms are failing... the issue is with the way of life of such people not the farms. Then you can gather people whose farms are doing well to live with you & let them guide you or possibly learn their good culture and never look back at the bad. Once you produce enough food you can give to the needy ones who can't produce enough/atall and make sure they learn your new way of life.  The new way of life has to be based on the Word of GOD which basically teaches Love for the CREATOR of all things and love for humans. If you love the CREATOR, you will not misuse/abuse HIS Creations, you will do things that pleases HIM and things will go well for you.

It's anything but climate change. Thanks to our selfish and greedy lifestyle, the climate has changed for worse. The rain isn't where it's supposed to be.

Sure, way of life of first world dwellers is to be blamed since it's the CAUSE of climate change. I agree with you.
You are basically arguing for a sustainable change to our ways. The only difference between you and me being, I am not a creationist but a pragmatist.



Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: dark1234 on August 25, 2022, 10:15:17 PM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: TimeTeller on August 25, 2022, 10:27:42 PM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues

We can also contribute in our own little ways how to address this climate change.
Plant trees around your area. Recycle as much as possible.
Lessen your carbon footprint by being aware what are you doing in your every day life.
Just for instance, if you can use large packaging vs. per sachet of your needs.
As you can lessen your plastic usage, practice it also in your other activities.
We know, we can't totally rely it from our government, the awareness of this issue starts from ourselves.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: coupable on August 25, 2022, 11:26:44 PM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues
Apparently, climate change has become an excuse that politicians invoke most of the time to justify the failure of their programs and their failure at the head of their governments.
Economic policies may be inconsistent with the climate situation, but this cannot justify their failure. Conflicts, for example, in many third world countries that cause famines have nothing to do with climate change, and the cause of them is the one who fuels them and benefits from them, and I mean in particular the arms dealers and the wealthy of crises .


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: wxa7115 on August 26, 2022, 06:19:54 AM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues
Apparently, climate change has become an excuse that politicians invoke most of the time to justify the failure of their programs and their failure at the head of their governments.
Economic policies may be inconsistent with the climate situation, but this cannot justify their failure. Conflicts, for example, in many third world countries that cause famines have nothing to do with climate change, and the cause of them is the one who fuels them and benefits from them, and I mean in particular the arms dealers and the wealthy of crises .
I hold same opinion, even if we are charitable and admit that climate change is indeed a force that can play against the policies of the governments in a significant manner, didn't the governments had decades to prepare themselves for what was coming?

As such in my mind they have no excuse at all about what is happening all over the world and the issues we are having with the increase on the price of food, the fact that a great deal of the food that we consume travels for thousands of miles was not sustainable model no matter how we look at it, historically people consumed what they could locally harvest, but that policy was abandoned long time ago and now we're suffering the consequences of it.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: DrBeer on August 26, 2022, 07:31:32 AM
What surprises you so much about the current situation?
1. Climate change has ALWAYS been. There were droughts, there were cold temperatures, there were high temperatures, there were floods, ... This is nature, these are global processes, they have been and will be. They were before the appearance of man on earth, they will be after the death of mankind.
2. Lack of food. Well, it's not enough for everyone. It has always been that way, and likely always will be. Like it or not, there are many reasons for this. Do you want to change them? Please:
- the presence of terrorist and anti-human states, such as Nazi Germany, the bastard regimes of Pol Pot, modern Russia, etc. Moreover, if Germany reasonably grew and aimed at world domination, then the ex-socialist or communist regimes - their ideology is to destroy everything, poor life, the minimum human needs. None of these states created anything for themselves, but only destroyed those who want to live better. What we are seeing right now...
3. Uncontrolled birth rate and lack of social responsibility in many countries. No offense - I traveled a lot around the world, and I saw that in some countries, and these are exactly the countries where they are most hungry, the population thoughtlessly produces children, absolutely does not want to work and change something, they are used to and already simply demand from the whole world "give we are going to eat immediately, we are poor and unhappy, but we will not do anything ourselves, to change the situation, support us!!!

Tell me - why many countries, without having, for example, luxurious agricultural lands and conditions, can provide themselves and others with food, and many do not want to do anything, and only demand that they be served everything ready, and at someone else's expense?

As long as the listed problems exist (you just have to accept and adapt to the first), you can’t dream of any normal and average normal life on earth! :)


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Furious 7 on August 26, 2022, 08:33:15 AM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues
Apparently, climate change has become an excuse that politicians invoke most of the time to justify the failure of their programs and their failure at the head of their governments.
Economic policies may be inconsistent with the climate situation, but this cannot justify their failure. Conflicts, for example, in many third world countries that cause famines have nothing to do with climate change, and the cause of them is the one who fuels them and benefits from them, and I mean in particular the arms dealers and the wealthy of crises .
Rationally, this can be the only reason they can say apart from the impact of Covid because none of them feel that they have failed so they are looking for other reasons so as not to be impressed that they failed in carrying out their duties.
It's really difficult to solve things like this because if we look at the past few years, hunger like this has already happened but the media and the government are covering this up and it's as if there is no problem in their country.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Davian144 on August 26, 2022, 08:37:32 AM
Climate change that can't be predicted at this time is not only happening in Europe in other countries also so, it also causes crop failure and of course this is a result of global warming caused by an environmentally unfriendly industry which is still a homework for every community in the world. . and I hope the government provides assistance and solutions for them so that the economic balance continues
Government efforts in every country that has non-environmentally friendly industries are urgently needed, but if some of those non-environmentally friendly industries can still benefit the state and can still provide income for the state, then the government will definitely find it very difficult to close such industries, unless by looking for more effective ways so that the industry can be more friendly to the surrounding environment.

Because every country clearly needs an industry that can process raw materials in its own country into a product that is ready to be used by citizens and can also be used by everyone outside the country. Because it can also really help the economic cycle in the country and can also trigger the presence of investors from other countries to enter our country.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Obito on August 26, 2022, 10:06:53 AM
A global famine isn't going to happen really fast, I am pretty sure that a miss in harvest for one time isn't going to easily cripple the supply chain, also there's probably millions of tons of grain storage so we might not feel the famine quickly. Unless every bit of the supply chain is crippled, then we won't have anything to worry.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: tygeade on August 26, 2022, 05:02:19 PM
Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?
I didn't feel it. Maybe it wasn't critical as food shortage because as you said the world is made up of mostly water and the ones that has a water problem are away from the bodies of water but no worries because they receiving a help from different countries. Often times we will see celebrities going on those dry places and they are building up a water system.
Unfortunately, that’s not the case, as we all know Africa is a huge continent all surrounded with water, and even places near the water is having trouble for 2 main reasons. One of them is the fact that water is not clean, meaning it could make you sick if you drink it and that means there would be a lot of people dying because they drank water that was bad for your health.

Second reason is that even though there are water sources near them, they can't really walk that much and come back every day, meaning there needs to be infrastructure, I mean not everywhere in EU has water too, but they have pipes bringing water to them, so Africa needs that too. This is just a common thing people don't know about.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: justdimin on August 27, 2022, 11:08:42 AM
Maybe it wasn't critical as food shortage because as you said the world is made up of mostly water and the ones that has a water problem are away from the bodies of water but no worries because they receiving a help from different countries. Often times we will see celebrities going on those dry places and they are building up a water system.
Unfortunately, that’s not the case, as we all know Africa is a huge continent all surrounded with water, and even places near the water is having trouble for 2 main reasons. One of them is the fact that water is not clean, meaning it could make you sick if you drink it and that means there would be a lot of people dying because they drank water that was bad for your health.

Second reason is that even though there are water sources near them, they can't really walk that much and come back every day, meaning there needs to be infrastructure, I mean not everywhere in EU has water too, but they have pipes bringing water to them, so Africa needs that too. This is just a common thing people don't know about.
That type of building pipelines everywhere and then keeping that pipeline clean and maintained would be a very difficult thing. I am not saying that it is impossible because most of the developed world constantly has that and there isn't a situation that should be wondered "how", they just spend a quite good amount of money for that infrastructure.

But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't really expect Africans to have the same type of deal. Doesn't mean that we will have that type of thing would cost a lot for poor nations, it is not just about building, like let's say billionaires end up paying for all the pipes, that still wouldn't be kept clean and eventually be bad after a while.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Cryptock on August 27, 2022, 06:25:40 PM

That type of building pipelines everywhere and then keeping that pipeline clean and maintained would be a very difficult thing. I am not saying that it is impossible because most of the developed world constantly has that and there isn't a situation that should be wondered "how", they just spend a quite good amount of money for that infrastructure.

But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't really expect Africans to have the same type of deal. Doesn't mean that we will have that type of thing would cost a lot for poor nations, it is not just about building, like let's say billionaires end up paying for all the pipes, that still wouldn't be kept clean and eventually be bad after a while.
These days we have flood in our country - there is food crisis - and people are homeless.
Lots of people lost their homes, cattle and lives - I hope this gets over soon, lots of agricultural land are submerged in water. Very sorry site.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: blue_hurricanger on August 27, 2022, 07:42:01 PM
Hard to believe we have a water crisis when 75% of the world is made of water. But there are droughts everywhere. How they are going to make things better when fresh water is very limited?
I didn't feel it. Maybe it wasn't critical as food shortage because as you said the world is made up of mostly water and the ones that has a water problem are away from the bodies of water but no worries because they receiving a help from different countries. Often times we will see celebrities going on those dry places and they are building up a water system.
Unfortunately, that’s not the case, as we all know Africa is a huge continent all surrounded with water, and even places near the water is having trouble for 2 main reasons. One of them is the fact that water is not clean, meaning it could make you sick if you drink it and that means there would be a lot of people dying because they drank water that was bad for your health.

Second reason is that even though there are water sources near them, they can't really walk that much and come back every day, meaning there needs to be infrastructure, I mean not everywhere in EU has water too, but they have pipes bringing water to them, so Africa needs that too. This is just a common thing people don't know about.
I think the problem of water shortage because of climate change and drought could be lessened by different means and not just 'you have to find a water source. For example, Israel's agriculture technology is way ahead of other countries that still follow the traditional method in which any drought decreases the crop yield. Technologies and innovations in the agriculture sector = lower the need for water, less affected by drought.

But of course, to have that technologies and innovations, you will need money which many Africa can't afford. This becomes a cycle where Africa will likely come out worst compare to the others if the lack of water and drought from climate change continue. Countries like EU and US, they've been applied a lot of those technologies to reduce the effect of water/drought.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Cryptock on August 29, 2022, 06:31:56 PM


But of course, to have that technologies and innovations, you will need money which many Africa can't afford. This becomes a cycle where Africa will likely come out worst compare to the others if the lack of water and drought from climate change continue. Countries like EU and US, they've been applied a lot of those technologies to reduce the effect of water/drought.
When will be world in a peaceful situation?
We come out of one situation and we feel into another. There was COVID - then came war - then came after affects of war and covid now there is feminine and we are hit be natural disaster as well. What a world we live in!


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: South Park on August 30, 2022, 09:15:19 PM
A global famine isn't going to happen really fast, I am pretty sure that a miss in harvest for one time isn't going to easily cripple the supply chain, also there's probably millions of tons of grain storage so we might not feel the famine quickly. Unless every bit of the supply chain is crippled, then we won't have anything to worry.
That is only true for the countries that are rich and that also can produce enough food to feed their own population, for the rest of the world things are not going to be so easy, now the countries that still have some money could buy some food, but what about those countries which cannot produce enough food and also do not have money to buy? That is where the problems are going to concentrate and it would not surprise me at all if in those countries we saw massive protests against the government because of their inability to solve this crisis.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: boris singer on August 31, 2022, 02:21:50 AM
A global famine isn't going to happen really fast, I am pretty sure that a miss in harvest for one time isn't going to easily cripple the supply chain, also there's probably millions of tons of grain storage so we might not feel the famine quickly. Unless every bit of the supply chain is crippled, then we won't have anything to worry.
That is only true for the countries that are rich and that also can produce enough food to feed their own population, for the rest of the world things are not going to be so easy, now the countries that still have some money could buy some food, but what about those countries which cannot produce enough food and also do not have money to buy? That is where the problems are going to concentrate and it would not surprise me at all if in those countries we saw massive protests against the government because of their inability to solve this crisis.
Even with rich countries, things like this seem difficult to avoid but it is very rare to be exposed because in this case when it comes to the surface, it is clear that this is a disgrace to the country itself, especially for a country that is very rich.
I think hunger today is something that is difficult to just let go, no matter how strong a country is, things like this will still happen in their area, it is even possible for every country to feel it.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: amishmanish on August 31, 2022, 03:10:21 AM
Global famine will certainly not happen. But we need to understand that we need a lot of prudence for achieving food security. We can't rely on non sustainable methods. We need to take up green farming seriously. We need to take up hydroponics and urban farming as well to achieve sustainability. We can't just live our modern lives in comfy homes and expect that farmers will supply our food.


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: bittraffic on September 01, 2022, 06:42:31 AM
Global famine will certainly not happen. But we need to understand that we need a lot of prudence for achieving food security. We can't rely on non sustainable methods. We need to take up green farming seriously. We need to take up hydroponics and urban farming as well to achieve sustainability. We can't just live our modern lives in comfy homes and expect that farmers will supply our food.

I think there is a need for companies to stop also producing like CocaCola which needs millions of cubic meters of water to produce a carbonated drink that we don't need in our bodies. These companies by the way partnered with companies who have water rights as well  from the government.

Imperial Irrigation District (IID) in Colorado for instance have water rights from the state which provides water irrigation to a wide desert planting grass only to be shipped to China. While at the same time, Colorado is experiencing drought.

Just example https://www.alamy.com/desert-irrigation-in-southwest-arizona-for-farming-with-colorado-river-image4955677.html


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: Moneyprism on September 01, 2022, 08:45:13 AM
this is the reason why my country refuses to export rice to asian countries,,, even when it would bring huge profits to the farmers .. this is done by the government to prevent a food crisis that will occur in 2023 .. our government has even started ordering farmers to grow other food sources such as cassava and several other varieties ..
being too dependent on one food ingredient is very dangerous, therefore from now on we must get used to eating with variety, for example with rice, sweet potatoes,, or wheat


Title: Re: Global famine
Post by: wxa7115 on September 02, 2022, 05:57:09 AM
Global famine will certainly not happen. But we need to understand that we need a lot of prudence for achieving food security. We can't rely on non sustainable methods. We need to take up green farming seriously. We need to take up hydroponics and urban farming as well to achieve sustainability. We can't just live our modern lives in comfy homes and expect that farmers will supply our food.

I think there is a need for companies to stop also producing like CocaCola which needs millions of cubic meters of water to produce a carbonated drink that we don't need in our bodies. These companies by the way partnered with companies who have water rights as well  from the government.

Imperial Irrigation District (IID) in Colorado for instance have water rights from the state which provides water irrigation to a wide desert planting grass only to be shipped to China. While at the same time, Colorado is experiencing drought.

Just example https://www.alamy.com/desert-irrigation-in-southwest-arizona-for-farming-with-colorado-river-image4955677.html
While it is a good point it is almost impossible that something like this is going to be done, there is simply too much inertia built into the system and we must remember that the owners of those big companies have huge political influence all over the world so they are never going to allow this to happen.

So what could be needed so as a society we decided to be way more careful in the way we exploited the resources that we have at hand? And the only way in which I could see something like that happening is if the current economic system collapsed and a new one had to be put in place.