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Username crzy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1151196)
Bitcoin Address: bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7 (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7)


I sent him a PM regarding this on 31st August and I didn't get an answer yet. So, Let's discuss it publicly. I am not sure if it's sufficient to prove the connection. He is on Duelbits signature campaign for two years. Every week, He receives his payment to this address bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7 (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7). After receiving the payment, He sent it to this address every week (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/7626ca9113ea769ca08e223097453d4d8bcf9844207d91314074f6fc01d630e6). 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh)
Which is used by banned users. Three of them are banned and one of them gets signature banned until 2029.


I believe they are alt accounts and evading bans. Because he received his payment every week at his address and sent it to another address on weekly basis. What do you think about it? If you think it's sufficient proof. I will post it on Ban evading thread.

most likely the @crzy account is indeed an alternative to the banned account. but the proof of transaction that you provide will not be enough to penalize the @crzy account.

It seems that the Mod is also more careful in handling cases of account ban reports compared to cases of plagiarism.

So you have to provide data matching from the banned account with the active account. and of course, the post is still on the forums. it hasn't been removed by the user, as @Xal0lex said.

That address belongs to a wallet from coins.ph - Philippine crypto exchange. So he sends coins every week to exchange for cash. This means that @crzy is most likely an alt of other accounts or part of a farm of accounts that all used that same deposit address.

Wow, this is a new one for me, I had no idea. Any reason why they don't consider data from third party archive sites?

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OP, have you tried reporting this case of ban evasion to the mods? If not, please try and do so. Maybe they just didn't see the post. Personally, I think the blockchain evidence gives enough proof.

These transactions cannot be considered as proof that the accounts are owned by one person.
In the country where I live, there are local sellers who only have wallets on the exchanges where they have a single address that they can't change and they take all the bitcoin they buy at one address. Which means that if there are many transfers that reach that address, there is a hypothesis that the banned member is a reseller who buys Bitcoin from the suspicious member every week. As long as this hypothesis exists, it is not possible to confirm the connection between the two accounts based on transactions only.
Of course, almost all of us are sure that the two accounts belong to one person, but from the point of view of the moderators, all possible assumptions must be taken into account so that no one is wronged.

I don't really know why some users ignore PMs relating to accusation, but later on when things are getting serious you see them show up with some excuses/reasons/defense.

A simple PM reply stating that the address they send btc to is an exchange or a corporative address (if something of that exist), would have solved this problem.  Now, you have made it public, I believe he will have to reply. Maybe he is waiting to see the forum reactions first before he will clear the air.

I understand that concept, but does coins.ph only give out one address for many individual members to use?  If that is indeed the case, then there's no merit to OP's suspicion. 

Even if it isn't true, sending coins to someone's address every week doesn't necessarily mean they're alt accounts.  There could be any number of reasons someone would do that, and to hand out negative/neutral trust based on that evidence alone would be unfair IMO.

I disagree. Nobody owes you an explanation in such matters. If you can't make your case using only post history + blockchain, then you don't have a case.

Privacy-invasive behavior should be discouraged.

This type of inquisition is the lowliest approach to merit farming.

This is what I notice for several newbie account who want to get merits they usually do this action and create controversy just to create attention on there post to capture some merits from curious people who read their post.

We need to be careful on this type of users because for sure they do this to accumulate merits and after that they also target to became a DT member and this will create another toxicity on this community.

No. No exchanges give the same address to several users. Whenever you create an account and verify. You will be able to generate an address. On Some exchanges, You don't have to generate an address. It will be rendered once you create an account. I might be wrong, Nah?

I believe this is his account on coins.ph and that's why he sent his coins every week. If it's not your exchange wallet, You won't do that every week. You may sell coins anywhere else at least once.


At first, I thought, why not ask him? But he didn't reply. So, it raises suspicion, and I am here with a Question mark from the beginning of this thread. So, What's wrong? If others think this is insufficient to prove the connection, it is absurd to report it to Mods.

He don't have obligation to explain anything to you and anyone has his own right to remain silent.

And who are you by the way to oblige him to respond on what you are claiming here?

Everyone doesn't owe any explanation to you so maybe he doesn't respond because he find this thread irrelevant.

I do not think so. According to WalletExplorer, there are over 2.7 million addresses with at least one transaction on that wallet: Wallet [00000dd86b] addresses (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00000dd86b2f6402/addresses)
I think we can safely assume that every user of the coins.ph exchange has their own unique deposit address. And, from what I understand, coins.ph is a very popular exchange there because it allows users to link their bank accounts so that all crypto deposits are automatically converted to local currency without any additional fees. Perhaps someone from the Filipino community can confirm this?


True, that does not necessarily mean they are alt accounts (although occam's razor says the simplest explanation is most likely true). But sending your weekly paycheck to someone else's account does not make much sense, either, unless it is a very close friend or family member or you know them very well and trust them with your money.



He does not have to do anything. But, since the suspect account is connected to a group of greedy scammers and bounty cheaters (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg52549638#msg52549638) who, by the way, have already been banned from the forum, I think it would be wise for him to come forward and explain the situation.

Another account from this forum also regularly sends transactions to this address. I think they are both alternate accounts. But I don't see any violations, both accounts participate in signature companies from different sponsors.
OP, can you say something about the second account? Maybe he breaks some rules?

https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1q2d0nu5dya2x963mzn3l4hqurhkmtl4wv4fqcek

I won't dare to say anything else about another account since the current one is insufficient to prove the connection. About other rules, I know you have better knowledge than me. By asking this, You only test my skill. I can only say that both account posts on the Philippines local board are sig spammers.

I can confirm that you will get your unique address for your account personally. You can see the highlighted part in their support thread that says

Each account has a personal account and a unique address for each user. Applicable as well to the coins mentioned above.

I Confirm that I received your message last August 31.
I choose not to reply because I don't know if this is how you accused people here cause it looks like you already have your own conclusion. Wondering as well why do I need to contact you in telegram. Nevertheless, here I am now responding to your accusation.

That's a service wallet, where they offer a service to cash out your Bitcoin in exchange of paying them of 10% service charge. With my current situation and the KYC requirement of our local wallet, it's not easy to convert your BTC into fiat money. There's a lot of services like this here in our local and I don't see that as a problem. Just to clear things here, I'm not connected to those accounts and will never be involve into this kind of activity. I'm still on the process of making my own wallet because KYC in coinsph is very strict, they are asking almost every month for the update and not just for a valid ID, they are also requiring proof of income and proof of address which is not easy to attain especially if you are just working online as a freelancer and still have no capacity to provide those requirements. Hope I make things clear here.

This is really confusing. So you claim it's not your coins.ph account but you sell your BTC to someone for fiat every week? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Is it someone you got in touch with through the forum or in some other way? Do you know him personally?

Its not confusing at all. You have no authority here, and they owe you no answer.

If you feel this person committed a sin of some kind, either report them to the mods or leave the appropriate feedback and move on.

Iron Fist's questions are sounding like exactly backing up OP. Most chance are there for this account to be OP's alt or friend or something because this is their 1st post on this reputation board on the exact same day when OP is inactive.

This actually should be the best approach to every problem or cases of cheating in the forum. But the irony of the matter is some of the accounts hunting for alt accounts are actually alts who might want to rank-up in a more smart way. Again, if they report to moderators, moderators will surely dismiss the report as bad because the evidences presented are not clear enough. When they decide to tag such accounts, the feedback won't have effects because they are not on DT.

I believe this is the reason they create topics upon topics for similar cases trying to drag the attention of DT members to do the tagging. I saw one the other day who has not made any other post than commanding DT members around to do the investigation and tagging for them.

How odd OP is trying to busted users here when in fact, he just came back out of nowhere after a year of being Inactive?
Also have a 57 deleted post, most probably he deleted all the old post either from the real owner or a spam post coming from him?
Is there any way to know those deleted post?

https://i.imgur.com/td4JNpY.png
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2851213

I've seen a lot of criticism on how OP is trying to accused many users here, if you think OP you're right then you can always report that to moderator but of course don't expect that much especially if the supporting details are not good enough and I doubt on this one. You can also refer to this thread and follow their suggestions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5412326.0

You can use ninjastic.space to see all posts made by the OP.
The specific link for him is this : https://ninjastic.space/user/id/2851213

You actually need to check each board one by one as I do not see a section to see all the post a use made.

Something similar to it has been suggested already but OP decided to walk to his own chosen path.

I am sorry but you are wrong here. You misunderstood the BPIP information. Posts deleted by moderators: 1. Post made per post deleted: 57. That doesn't mean my 57 posts were deleted. As BitcoinGirl.Club already said You can see all my posts scraped on Loyce.club. You can check all the posts there. About Inactivity; I was unable to post since my Registration day because of the IP ban. Loyce Helped me to get white-listed.

Okay, I was intrigued so I spent some time researching the blockchain transactions associated with these addresses.

Let's start with the address: 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh
Walletexplorer.com shows that the address is part of the wallet [00000dd86b] (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00000dd86b2f6402/addresses) and, as other members have already pointed out, this address is supposed to be from the coins.ph exchange.

I found through ninjastic.space that the address was first used by member Seeker01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=980244) [banned] in the GoGoOption Signature Campaign: [archived (https://ninjastic.space/post/19158675)] [spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vftaXx55FdQu5ihXT0ptHB6WQlVwqrDanMF6PeJezr0/edit?usp=sharing)]

https://i.imgur.com/DAxPwj1.png

In addition to Seeker01, the same address was also used by creeps (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094167) as previously exposed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg52549638#msg52549638) by Veleor back in 2019. Seeker01 was banned back in 2018, and creeps has been inactive since August 2019.

Now for the really interesting part. At the end of 2020, this same address started to receive regular payments from these four members:

1. samcrypto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1218995)


from address: bc1q4xpngfl49vy5e9x2rfr7eqzvcc96asge0m84js to address: 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh
2020-09-07 13:29:15 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/5b303c059c503d2365404a24dbf15e2621e5cc1841df64bb28aec674cbd0dd30)
2020-10-09 13:47:38 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/8d586377e83a38db60f306d0a65ab530dd0a8522f228c1208d8b0a90255f83a9)
2020-10-18 03:37:01 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/564b148cde4b855fce8433a92cc7754618c0339aa169a9c223678029ab63e509)
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2021-02-08 00:21:08 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/d4c759a8fb9541b1df8a5eacb51cb66306f06d5a2c862cdfc3f3e6cd110efe78)

2. Johnyz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1713234)


from address: bc1q2d0nu5dya2x963mzn3l4hqurhkmtl4wv4fqcek to address: 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh
2020-10-13 22:14:56 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/1e6c46955a0a98d2f85f744ae83e84729812a29ea4b9cc143611f94fdfd0937b)
2020-10-18 03:37:01 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/db7526d0efb22186faff592819a1f6998242d4d9ba30c58e459a9d491dad729e)
2020-10-22 03:51:55 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c33e196ffca12c9014df281c1dafea77f103d0dd426e42e2853604a711fcdf41)
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2022-08-28 04:01:00 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/086eea4b448256f1fce71b4841815bb5a01ea48a318c60c88eea55f8e48c5d09)

3. crzy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1151196)


from address: bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7 to address: 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh
2019-11-18 00:13:49 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/41dbf331434925c4930fd42419cd38c74337c195de785f99c1408e9b14222337)
2020-11-29 01:19:46 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/cbe8c565d7ea20d3c3a0e54afb897a55c6f143c9e1f6425541718c53fe250cce)
2020-12-01 19:00:07 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/2c23eafd05182db85cdd88a360d5baa673f8564e7b4b399cb9a7d0c40e1d118b)
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2022-08-30 00:21:22 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/7626ca9113ea769ca08e223097453d4d8bcf9844207d91314074f6fc01d630e6)

4. goaldigger (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1181447)


from address: bc1quzqr2sf09d4840yl68v694e9yupjxc7v36rnwk to address: 35fB61PKCR1a1PTuLwjCk7WkCi2WY6wLEh
2020-12-22 05:30:27 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/9c0beade93cfaef077e11b7baad0747cca71576403b2b0df6a821622905a9ce6)
2021-02-14 12:35:35 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/23809a53fca4fd91cb9fb0ab7617c8276782b3cf06ab6b9ce394e9e715739f51)
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2022-03-10 00:56:04 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c5b2bee17b13389ebda0d1c3c4bcd5fb09d0bed9a132a08d64b0439d3fc212e1)

(To keep things simple, I've only shown the first few and the last transaction.)

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The next address to look at is: 3MAKgGphHQKY5zykCJyH6jb2M68eRcJNsH
Walletexplorer.com shows that the address is also part of the wallet [00000dd86b] (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00000dd86b2f6402/addresses), that is, coins.ph exchange, but this address was also used on the forum by member goaldigger.


Looking at the transactions, we can find multiple deposits from the following addresses:

from address: bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7 [crzy] to address: 3MAKgGphHQKY5zykCJyH6jb2M68eRcJNsH
2021-07-16 23:14:14 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4fe57ff3c2fa6911e638aa6cd5dba1272b9b3f5ea1331dd79b4b2b0f237de5a2)

from address: bc1quzqr2sf09d4840yl68v694e9yupjxc7v36rnwk [goaldigger] to address: 3MAKgGphHQKY5zykCJyH6jb2M68eRcJNsH
2022-04-21 04:26:57 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/f82cf2b3b30e7c13bbac5f4f50dc2ab6032588f7ae2d7850b4de8230459addd1)

from address: bc1q4xpngfl49vy5e9x2rfr7eqzvcc96asge0m84js [samcrypto] to address: 3MAKgGphHQKY5zykCJyH6jb2M68eRcJNsH
2020-12-29 23:55:21 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a36f5751dcc98e617d394cddfa677feb252429865ee330740bf662765481de99)

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The next address that links these four accounts together is: 1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1
As per glasschain.org (https://glasschain.org/btc/Address/1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1), this address belongs to the wallet W-0128635145 and is part of the Binance exchange.

Looking at the transactions, we can find multiple deposits from the same four addresses:

from address: bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7 [crzy] to address: 1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1
2022-05-04 22:26:39 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a5bb975d4870fca39833b47e7f0508337971251964e4974818c45fe6af8aabe9)
2021-08-03 00:00:20 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4c436650e99616c90280ae6a4460383b297a16a1e71c11c386dfd5d1cbc11309)

from address: bc1quzqr2sf09d4840yl68v694e9yupjxc7v36rnwk [goaldigger] to address: 1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1
2021-06-05 02:02:36 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/5678903439d083085ff4ff64b4e3e8bdc38cb56a33d4b19d919487e10a35f11b)
2021-05-22 12:26:24 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/b6122e01b090d714e3391da6a356bcf46df9b743430d1625cce3c4a582049165)

from address: bc1q2d0nu5dya2x963mzn3l4hqurhkmtl4wv4fqcek [Johnyz] to address: 1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1
2022-08-14 03:02:36 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a740dea23c5efc01227d248794f9069789494e51253077a166dddba1dee1649c)
2021-05-30 03:08:37 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/06f4e025e55e7f19fc56c3426b85ba593021c29655ccc31c6e1d43033114eec9)

from address: bc1q4xpngfl49vy5e9x2rfr7eqzvcc96asge0m84js [samcrypto] to address: 1J7fFdjEpDX5YNwAjjAw6k9gET4gACJcB1
2022-09-01 05:05:32 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/a7d822ecc647fc5f5e02640ec61a440a9256589282bd9553621add1cc5aacaef)
2022-08-24 09:16:08 Txid (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/d6b2714850f1aab13bffe8d1f5fab23ad5e32d7f97113bb2867a217903641c60)


Since this is my first investigation into blockchain transactions, I would greatly appreciate the opinion of senior members. Is this a sufficient amount of evidence that these are related accounts?
@nutildah, I appreciate your input. I understand that I have no authority here and, as a young member, I still have a lot to prove. This is not my first forum experience as I am also a member of some other online communities.

No.

Being related through blockchain transactions is ALLOWED as per DT practices of this community. So, do not waste your time on this.

Right now I see you have 61 posts and on Ninjastic.Space it's 63 so the different is only two posts. I am not sure if Ninjastic.Space has scrapped all your posts and if it does then the difference is very normal. Only two posts were deleted no matter how.

Anyway Crypt0S0ul, I think you should listen some of the users suggestion.

@Crypt0S0ul, I think you might be on to something here, but, as I replied to _BlackStar in a similar case (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407126.0), there is no doubt that these accounts are related in some way. However, blockchain transactions alone may not be sufficient to prove ownership of the accounts by the same person. In order to prove this, you will need additional evidence, even circumstantial.

I didn't go through all the transactions because there are a lot of them, but the addresses you posted are definitely connected, not just by sending coins to the same exchange addresses, but also with some direct transactions between them. For example, here is a transaction linking crzy (add:bc1q94fzl2e920xe8eepq3m2m7qx4khszt0ahshhy7) to Johnyz (add:bc1q2d0nu5dya2x963mzn3l4hqurhkmtl4wv4fqcek):
https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/6da5e456116edfdaaed1fe1e7ffb5cb606c097f5f1ad0602a544a23295e027be

In a funny ''coincidence'', both crzy and Johnyz won the Winz.io Cheetah Mascot Competition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391785.msg60046347#msg60046347), winning first and second place, respectively. If it is proven that they are indeed alt accounts, they cheated in the contest and thus unfairly won the prize in the total amount of $4,500 to the detriment of other participants.

What are the odds that both of them are such talented artists. Maybe they took art classes together?  ;)

One post was deleted by myself. Another one was deleted by Mods.


Yes, I will listen to those suggestions.

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First of all, Thank you very much. 2nd, Look like my opinion doesn't matter anymore since my last two accusation doesn't have enough proof. My further posts will only increase the drama. Which I don't want. Even though I could not prove it, I hope some of you understand what's going on.

@crzy, I apologize if you were innocent. Only you know better who you are and what you are doing.

I am going to lock this thread now.