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Title: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Imran232 on September 07, 2022, 12:35:11 PM
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The news (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/) comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
News source. (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/)


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: worldofcoins on September 07, 2022, 12:51:03 PM
The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 

Well, that's tragic for these people, I think cops arrested those in money laundering then after doing more digging on these people they found them enrolling in bitcoin trading which is illegal in Bangladesh as you stated.


Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 

I don't understand how they're scamming people if they're doing the illegal trading, which are 2 separate things.
Is it possible they all were a part of the same group?


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: ultrloa on September 07, 2022, 12:58:39 PM
They are been arrested due to money laundering and scamming issue and not for illegal trading since I think if I'm not wrong there's no really illegal trading we call if we do it on legitimate exchange by ourselves only. They provably use that as a reason to convince people that they are profitable and they can get percentage if they invest on their trades. We see this already happen everywhere so this kind of crime is not surprising and good job for authorities to sue this people since this is good example for criminals to stop what illegal things they do.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: rhomelmabini on September 07, 2022, 01:03:06 PM
Well the thing is, it's already illegal yet they risked by engaging on it and they should know the consequences through it. I think money laundering was the main case here and the Bitcoin p2p was just the thing they use. Those who know what Bitcoin is knows well that it was just used as an instrument but for some people that still lacking that knowledge might attribute Bitcoin as scam and that saddens me tbh.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: stompix on September 07, 2022, 01:14:01 PM
Ok, forget bitcoin and other things there is one more important issue here..
Am I seeing this right, on the right side there are a bunch of phones and on the left side of the picture, are those mice and a keyboard? They actually had nothing to pull on that table and said let's dump a few more pieces of "evidence" of the crime? Cables and keyboards?  ;D


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but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method.

This is not money laundering, this is an outright dating scam, probably pretending to be some rich sexy asian girl that lures men into investing in some business she knows and runs, we've had tens of those scam reports here with tens of people still falling for it.





Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: bitcampaign on September 07, 2022, 04:49:58 PM
bitcoin is a means of payment including money as a means of payment, but if we see people using something illegal by using fiat money payments will people blame fiat money? they don't seem to be blaming fiat money, well it's the same with bitcoin if something happens that's illegal to use bitcoin it's not because bitcoin is to blame but goes back to the people who use it


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Findingnemo on September 08, 2022, 11:07:10 AM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: tranthidung on September 08, 2022, 11:30:50 AM
those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering.
News can be true or over exaggerated, we don't know.

Trading when Bitcoin trading is illegal is bad already. Using Peer to Peer trading method on a good platform is a good choice but if you do this, trade with old and trusted (high reputation point) trade partners. Trade with them, you are safer because their money are more likely from clean resources, not from money laundering resources.

If you intentionally do money laundering, you know of the potential ending. Worse you also bring troubles to your trade partners.

With Peer to Peer trades, follow two rules
  • Don't trade with newbies
  • Choose old and trusted trade partners (with good trading volume in the past, good account age, high reputation point, good feedback from past trade partners)


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Jawhead999 on September 08, 2022, 11:41:08 AM
This is not money laundering, this is an outright dating scam, probably pretending to be some rich sexy asian girl that lures men into investing in some business she knows and runs, we've had tens of those scam reports here with tens of people still falling for it.
I think that was the main problem about this case, they got arrested because of scamming, not trading Bitcoin in illegal country. The subject of this thread should be "4 scammers on dating apps using Bitcoin got arrested"

Though it seems like a bad news to Bitcoin, but if we look on the bright side, Bitcoin actually help the police or blockchain analysis to find those scammers. If they're use Monero and trade it on decentralized exchanges, they would be safe ;D


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: BlockChainMentor on September 08, 2022, 11:48:10 AM
This people were doing money laundering and scamming people so they are arrested but we can not blame bitcoin for this arrest...If any country banned bitcoin then it is illegal but in some countries Bitcoin exchange is legal


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Whiteness on September 08, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Well the thing is, it's already illegal yet they risked by engaging on it and they should know the consequences through it. I think money laundering was the main case here and the Bitcoin p2p was just the thing they use. Those who know what Bitcoin is knows well that it was just used as an instrument but for some people that still lacking that knowledge might attribute Bitcoin as scam and that saddens me tbh.
they probably thought they'll never get caught which is true some time for small and individual traders. thousands of people in bangladesh are trading bitcoin without any issue.
but these are not normal traders they are a Gang of traders and probably also involved in money laundering.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: rdbase on September 08, 2022, 12:52:08 PM
Ok, forget bitcoin and other things there is one more important issue here..
Am I seeing this right, on the right side there are a bunch of phones and on the left side of the picture, are those mice and a keyboard? They actually had nothing to pull on that table and said let's dump a few more pieces of "evidence" of the crime? Cables and keyboards?  ;D


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but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method.

This is not money laundering, this is an outright dating scam, probably pretending to be some rich sexy asian girl that lures men into investing in some business she knows and runs, we've had tens of those scam reports here with tens of people still falling for it.
You saying that got me thinking of the early days of these cat-fishing scams running rampant. With those emails people receive saying they can get money sent to them from a nigerian price. Atleast those sending the emails wouldn't get caught.
These guys were doing this in a country which completely banned the use of bitcoin a couple of months ago from what I recall reading about Indian banks (Bangledesh specfically) for anyone doing these kind of transactions to and from their bank accounts.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: goldkingcoiner on September 08, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
The news (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/) comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
News source. (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/)


Had they been more careful with their opsec then they never would have gotten found out. Lazy, sloppy security is what got them caught, in the end. So I am guessing they are complete amateurs and by their clothes they are obviously not rich. Whatever money they were trading was probably small amounts. Nonetheless they got caught because their oppressive anticoiner government wanted to make an example out of someone in order to spook the rest of the population away from Bitcoin (and cryptocurrency in general).

Its too bad. But it just goes to show why we need Bitcoin. Its regular people who get made an example of, its regular people who lose their money and its regular people who have to suffer financial slavery.

Bitcoin is financial freedom. Thats why I hope this story will create more coiners in Bangladesh.




Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: worldofcoins on September 08, 2022, 01:12:36 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Exactly. Just by doing btc trading, it's hard for the authorities to detect bitcoin trading unless these people were caught for something shady other than bitcoin illegal trading.
I also think these people were a part of the same group, and 1 of them getting caught lead to the arrest of all 4 of them.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: so98nn on September 08, 2022, 01:23:47 PM
@stompix, nah actually those might be the devices they were using to do the scam. Usually such scams happen in rented apartment or some cheap quarters without any documentation. This gives more privacy and such peeps turn into their so called action Center to do all the illegal stuff. Usually they are always photographed with whatever things collected from the criminal spot. But yeah it looks funny.

I think they were using dating sites to collect the payment in the form of bitcoin or it’s even possible they were only distributing the money by sending to that site. So turning it into Money laundering process eventually. Anyways, news should have shaded more light to see whether it was serious matter or just some another funny scam.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: taufik123 on September 08, 2022, 01:28:34 PM
Trading cryptocurrencies including bitcoin is indeed prohibited in Bangladesh, but the focus of this case is the practice of money laundering that uses bitcoin as a bridge. Cryptocurrencies have been declared illegal let alone use for money laundering, then the perpetrators will be charged with multiple articles.

When a country has raised a flag that prohibits the use of cryptocurrencies, there is no loophole to use it, it is better to obey it and live in peace.
The regulations provided by Bangladesh and other countries that are against bitcoin or crypto will not forever ban them, they just are not aware of the importance of implementing cryptocurrency even though it is only limited to commodity regulations.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Natalim on September 08, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
That was the case when trying to fraud others. Many people are taking advantage and they believe that they can hide from the authorities by running illegal transactions, yet they have no escape at all.
Maybe they are not totally smart or just beginners which is why they easily got caught. But it was very fortunate that they got traced by the authorities and stopped their illegal operation and no more victims. I really appreciate how these cops are doing and I hope this will serve as a mirror that nobody could really just live doing this (as a scammer) forever, they will still be caught someday.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: KaliLinux on September 08, 2022, 01:32:51 PM
They are been arrested due to money laundering and scamming issue and not for illegal trading since I think if I'm not wrong there's no really illegal trading we call if we do it on legitimate exchange by ourselves only. They provably use that as a reason to convince people that they are profitable and they can get percentage if they invest on their trades. We see this already happen everywhere so this kind of crime is not surprising and good job for authorities to sue this people since this is good example for criminals to stop what illegal things they do.
You are right and I believe the other offenses would have actually been the cause of their arrest. OP said,
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though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh
for the RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) to also confirm that they were into Bitcoin trading which I believe he is referring to as "illegal" could have made the news more attractive. However, we understand that with Bitcoin involved it would most likely be the one that would be blown out of proportion.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Esther C on September 08, 2022, 01:35:09 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/jSsLSQM4/Screenshot-2022-09-07-181438.png

The news (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/) comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
News source. (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/)

This should be a good thing I guess. Lots of people just involve themselves in shady acts and find a way to bring Bitcoin into it thereby making Bitcoin in itself feel like a fraudulent activity.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Silent Sam on September 08, 2022, 01:45:01 PM
If we are talking about Bangladesh here there are many things to say like Bangladesh Bitcoin is not completely illegal it is kept at a neutral level now there are some people who think that dollar transaction is money laundering, I can see this in front of them keyboard mice there are many things in fact they are not criminals only if they have it. It has been seen many times in the past that people who used to sell dollars by p2p method have been caught by the police many times and objections have been raised against them that they are doing money laundering however the current situation seems to be Blockchain will be implemented in Bangladesh very soon let's see what happens.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Nrcewker on September 08, 2022, 01:45:42 PM
Please update the title of the thread OP, it should be 4 Bitcoin traders arrested due to money laundering.
Seriously these types of threads really leaves bad impression on newbies.
Nevertheless those who do crimes they should be punished.
The bitter truth is that the criminals are using Bitcoins for these ill deeds.
Let’s now share news only which covers great things done with BTCs.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: pawanjain on September 08, 2022, 04:19:34 PM
Bitcoin is famous and journalists like to portray bitcoin as a negative influence on people.
Have you ever seen any positive news about bitcoin on TV ? Mostly no right.
So whenever bitcoin is involved in any crime the journalists put the limelight on bitcoin as if it is because of only that the crime had happened.
People should understand that it's because of the negative mind of the criminals that crimes happen.
All the other things are just a catalyst.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: worldofcoins on September 08, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
Bitcoin is famous and journalists like to portray bitcoin as a negative influence on people.
Have you ever seen any positive news about bitcoin on TV ? Mostly no right.

Not all journalists like to portray bitcoin as a negative influence some do.
On the news however, it's a different thing but I've seen Negative, positive, and neutral info regarding bitcoin on the news, mostly negative when bitcoin was under 1k.

So whenever bitcoin is involved in any crime the journalists put the limelight on bitcoin as if it is because of only that the crime had happened.

It's not only on bitcoin, but the majority of the news is shown in a way where it's supposed to intrigue the audience and what's better than bitcoin.

People should understand that it's because of the negative mind of the criminals that crimes happen.
All the other things are just a catalyst.

Criminal and not criminal. In the case of this thread, those 4 were involved in money laundering, which could've been due to the use of bitcoin, most likely they used some mixer and the authorities came to know about it when they got the physical components of their computer on which they were doing this.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: stompix on September 08, 2022, 05:01:20 PM
@stompix, nah actually those might be the devices they were using to do the scam. Usually such scams happen in rented apartment or some cheap quarters without any documentation.

I know those were the devices used but really, look at the situation, they grabbed the mice and keyboards and power cables and put them on a  table, I understand the mobile phones and the laptops as proof since obviously there are way too many phones for 4 individuals, but the power cables? Why not grab the chair and table they were sitting on while doing the scam? Why not grab the sockets from the wall and the copper wire which enabled the scam also?
My point was only on the stupid show-off, like when you have a murder and you proudly present a knife in the picture, of course, labeled "knife" since not everybody knows how a knife looks. This is just stupid!

You saying that got me thinking of the early days of these cat-fishing scams running rampant. With those emails people receive saying they can get money sent to them from a nigerian price. Atleast those sending the emails wouldn't get caught.

A lot of them get easily caught, the only problem in finding them is that they reside in countries where they don't really give a damn about scams, it's not about the traceability but the share unwillingness of the police to do something.
I'm pretty sure these guys would have got away just as easily if, and I'm 100% sure we will find just a few weeks later, woundn't be spending money like crazy and buying tons of stuff while being probably unemployed. What's stopping them from leaving Bangladesh, going into a foreign country with BATM, withdrawing or dealing on the local market and getting all the fiat they needed? They don't even need to come back!


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: boris singer on September 08, 2022, 05:51:26 PM
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but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method.

This is not money laundering, this is an outright dating scam, probably pretending to be some rich sexy asian girl that lures men into investing in some business she knows and runs, we've had tens of those scam reports here with tens of people still falling for it.
News like that won't be too crowded to visit if the focus is on direct dating scams but it's a different story if there are elements of Crypto, especially bitcoin, which is the main focus lol.
But indeed in this case again and again news about bitcoin being targeted as if this is the worst thing there is because scams are always Crypto related.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Hypnosis00 on September 08, 2022, 10:35:25 PM
They got arrested for violating the rules - it was money laundering and for sure those who got caught will certainly be put in jail.
I'd see scams, money laundering, and any form of criminal activities are immensely growing this time. It may be people had really seen that these doings can make them rich instantly without thinking about the possible results and yeah, getting into jail is what they really end up with. More and more people who love doing these things will soon be found and face the consequences of their wrongdoings.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Baofeng on September 08, 2022, 11:05:52 PM
And the thing with this criminals, is why the hell they will want to involved themselves in bitcoin? to hide their illegal money? It will be a double whammy if they are caught since it is illegal in their country. So I guess this case is just pure scamming about their fake dating sites and nothing directly related to bitcoin, they should used Monero  :). Put them criminals in jail asap, for their almost perfect crime.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: adzino on September 08, 2022, 11:49:43 PM
Bitcoin was illegal in their country. They knew about this. They were still using bitcoin and trading with it. They are breaking the laws, so they were arrested. Based on what you wrote, it looks like they were also scamming people through dating sites and was using bitcoin to hide those money and launder it. So it looks like they were actually targeted for committing mass scam, not trading bitcoins.
At least they got caught when they thought no one could catch them if they used bitcoin!


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: erep on September 09, 2022, 05:46:47 AM
I think the media exaggerates the related side of Bitcoin for bad news headlines because India has banned Crypto activity, if we analyze all news content then the influence of crypto should not be related because it is the fault of the perpetrators to deceive others under the guise of illegal dating service sites and operate fake business investments. . In conclusion, without the involvement of Bitcoin then they are still perpetrators of fraud, but what if they use fiat currency, then should fiat be banned?

We see other reports for different cases, The Rapid Action Battalion has arrested 4 perpetrators for being involved in illegal Bitcoin transactions in Bangladesh, just stop there and we will see further facts, The four perpetrators buy videos from "dark" porn sites and then sell them and they are experts at hacking credit cards to buy bitcoins. And again, it has almost nothing to do with Bitcoin, so it's all just an effort to pressure people to avoid using crypto.


https://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/crime/2021/06/20/rab-arrests-4-for-bitcoin-trading


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: justdimin on September 09, 2022, 07:22:06 AM
Please update the title of the thread OP, it should be 4 Bitcoin traders arrested due to money laundering.
Seriously these types of threads really leaves bad impression on newbies.
Nevertheless those who do crimes they should be punished.
The title is fine because money laundering is still an illegal activity. They trade dirty money for a clean one only to get away with their crimes but luckily they are still caught. I don't think a thread/news like this will give btc a negative impression as long as the reader will understand what they are reading properly. It is clearly said arrested for illegal trade and not arrested for doing a normal/legal trade but even if the 4 guys didn't do money laundering, what they did is still wrong because it's already declared that btc on their country is banned but they didn't obey the rules.

The bitter truth is that the criminals are using Bitcoins for these ill deeds.
They use btc because it's online and it's also kinda anonymous so they think they won't get traced by the authorities.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Rockstarguy on September 09, 2022, 10:44:22 AM
comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering.
They were not arrested because bitcoin is illegal in the country where they come from. The main reason why they were arrested is because they are using bitcoin in a wrong way, because if it was fiat they were using for the same purpose they will still be arrested because it still scam they committed. They should not blame bitcoin for their arrest but put the blame to themselves for their crime comiited.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: buwaytress on September 09, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
Look at what they were doing first before getting in a twist guys. You do shady things, you attract the eyes of the law. Probably tens of thousands of Bangladeshi using BTC and the law isn't batting an eye at them (even though it is technically illegal to even hold).

But these four were laundering money, and that's really what they were caught for. So let's not get ourselves all wound up about police hunting down Bitcoin users, because that's not the right headline.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: GiftedMAN on September 09, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Please update the title of the thread OP, it should be 4 Bitcoin traders arrested due to money laundering.
Seriously these types of threads really leaves bad impression on newbies.
Nevertheless those who do crimes they should be punished.
The bitter truth is that the criminals are using Bitcoins for these ill deeds.
Let’s now share news only which covers great things done with BTCs.

The bitter truth is that when people come across any bad news like stealing or money laundering Bitcoin is always seen as the bad guy this is because the government has influenced the media to always spread bad rumors about Bitcoin so that people will be discouraged to use Bitcoin for their transactions. As a Bitcoin believer and as one who is on Bitcointalk, I think the op can discourage this news by updating the title of this thread so that the plans of the government and media to destroy the good and usefulness of Bitcoin will not be achieved. Fiat currency has always be used by drug dealers and politicians to do their illegal transactions but the government has not hated it the way Bitcoin is hated in their sight.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Kelvinid on September 09, 2022, 02:11:12 PM
comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering.
They were not arrested because bitcoin is illegal in the country where they come from. The main reason why they were arrested is because they are using bitcoin in a wrong way, because if it was fiat they were using for the same purpose they will still be arrested because it still scam they committed. They should not blame bitcoin for their arrest but put the blame to themselves for their crime comiited.
And they'll think they are safe enough to use Bitcoin illegally and it was unfortunate that their actions made them to regrets their whole life.
This will imply that the authorities are aware of the situation that Bitcoin can be a tool for money laundering and they know that many people will take advantage of this but too unfortunate that these people got arrested in time before they find another victim. No way these scammers will tend to move freely and trick innocent people, they all got caught and receive their penalties.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: minairia3 on September 09, 2022, 02:38:44 PM
comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering.
They were not arrested because bitcoin is illegal in the country where they come from. The main reason why they were arrested is because they are using bitcoin in a wrong way, because if it was fiat they were using for the same purpose they will still be arrested because it still scam they committed. They should not blame bitcoin for their arrest but put the blame to themselves for their crime comiited.

No, the main reason they get caught is doing a scam involving fake dating sites and unfortunately for them, they are using bitcoins to trade and launder money, bitcoin is banned in their country. Their crimes will become more serious.
They deserve to be arrested for their deceptive behavior and bitcoin accidentally fell victim in this incident, also they should not use bitcoin to transact because bitcoin is banned in their country.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: noorman0 on September 09, 2022, 03:13:44 PM
This is not money laundering, this is an outright dating scam, probably pretending to be some rich sexy asian girl that lures men into investing in some business she knows and runs, we've had tens of those scam reports here with tens of people still falling for it.

As of the original news article, no fraud attempts have been made. The four of them actually act as crypto p2p traders via a dating app (maybe they have more customers coming to that app). And what the authorities consider criminal here is that they evade taxes.
Quote from: thbangla.com
বিক্রয় এর মাধ্যমে বাংলাদেশ সরকারকে কর ফাঁকি দিয়ে অবৈধভাবে কোটি কোটি টাকা হাতিয়ে নিচ্ছিলেন।

translated: He was illegally grabbing crores of rupees by evading taxes from the Bangladesh government through sales.
And here's the funny point, how does one file a tax on a crypto transaction if it's illegal? In essence, they just started the business in the wrong country. If they comply with the tax rules, they will still be arrested.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: kryptqnick on September 09, 2022, 04:14:56 PM
I don't think financial crimes should normally be a huge offence (because no person is getting hurt from that), and not paying taxes shouldn't be a big enough crime either. What is going to happen to these people? How big of an offence is it in Bangladesh? In my country, when someone's arrested and it makes it to the news, the article from the law under which a person is prosecuted and what punishment that article entitles is usually provided. Is it a big fine? Probation? Community service? Perhaps even prison time?
If it's not just money laundering/tax evasion but something like a dating scam, though, it's another thing and I don't have much sympathy for those engaging in such stuff.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: mk4 on September 09, 2022, 04:25:19 PM
I know those were the devices used but really, look at the situation, they grabbed the mice and keyboards and power cables and put them on a  table, I understand the mobile phones and the laptops as proof since obviously there are way too many phones for 4 individuals, but the power cables? Why not grab the chair and table they were sitting on while doing the scam? Why not grab the sockets from the wall and the copper wire which enabled the scam also?
My point was only on the stupid show-off, like when you have a murder and you proudly present a knife in the picture, of course, labeled "knife" since not everybody knows how a knife looks. This is just stupid!

Precisely, this was just to say to the public — "look how much stuff we confiscated!". I'm guessing that the typical non-techie person will look past it — since for some people, when you say "computer", they'd think mouse and keyboard.

Really though, they should've just locked up the place where their operations are being ran, and added some yellow crime scene tape. That would probably be a more "dominant" display.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: amishmanish on September 09, 2022, 04:26:39 PM
I see in countries where law is not able to control rogue elements properly, crime do happen. I doubt if Bangladesh is a safe place international travellers as well. There is lot of mafia activity of different sort. Chit fund scams among other financial crimes, so there is tendency to resort to easy money making tricks, whether it's fiat or crypto. Yes this time these thugs tried their hand on crypto


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Leviathan.007 on September 09, 2022, 04:29:22 PM
We cannot be sure about what they do because as far as I know in Bangladesh the police started to raid the exchanges and take hard on the bitcoiners and cryptocurrencies-related activities, As I understand it, we can't just rely on the news that we read about these scammers, but I think we should be happy to see them arrested if they are scammers who use cryptocurrencies for a bad cause. Unless, of course, they are doing p2p deals, and if they have been arrested just for doing so, I hope there will never be another case like this where people are arrested because they have chosen not to involve the government in their deals by not paying taxes. By the way and according to what we see in these articles they were not bitcoin traders.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Marykeller on September 09, 2022, 05:17:24 PM
By looking at what they arrested them with. You would strongly believe that they are into internet fraud. They brought the arrest up themselves. They are aware that bitcoin is illegal in their country and they went ahead to be using bitcoin which is prohibited. They just think that by using bitcoin they can't be traced. Anyway, Internet fraudsters are very fond of asking their client to pay in their bitcoin address


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: teosanru on September 09, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/jSsLSQM4/Screenshot-2022-09-07-181438.png

The news (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/) comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
News source. (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/)
The problem with the news website or any country's website is that it will always speak in favour of the government of that country. As Bitcoin is banned in Bangladesh, they have put the whole case as if they are doing illegal activities as they are trading bitcoin. I personally think this became this big of a news also only because bitcoin was involved otherwise such small level money laundering generally go unnoticed.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: suzanne5223 on September 09, 2022, 07:49:05 PM
though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh
I don't support what these guys did but if Bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh. Why would the government expect the suspect to pay tax?

According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
If I get this information correctly, they seem to be involved in a romance scam, converted the victim fund into cash using the p2p method, convert the cash to BTC and later convert the BTC into their local fiat currency using the p2p method. Isn't it?

Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
The guys in the picture are mature people and they should be responsible for their actions there is no reason whatsoever BTC should be blamed for this.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: livingfree on September 09, 2022, 08:25:38 PM
So, they're not just illegally trading but also scamming people over the dating sites. I guess that they're pretending to be women so that they're easily given money when they ask to their prospect target.

They are probably doing that for long and have found some way to do and hide their transactions into bitcoin. But how they were tracked and traced?

Well, they deserve that and those people that they scammed and fooled didn't know who they were talking to and now the arrest has brought justice to them.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: n0ne on September 09, 2022, 08:46:26 PM
It is the term bitcoin that attracts the common public to read the news. Even you could've passed the news as it is common to see such news of money laundering and illegal transactions. Just because of the term bitcoin, you read it and understood the real news. For now we can't blame the journalist or the news collector/editor. It is our responsibility to educate people to understand the real meaning of bitcoin. So, that even when such news gets circulated people won't get panic.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: stomachgrowls on September 09, 2022, 09:34:22 PM
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.

Most of the time whenever these kind of news that do attached with Bitcoin then it does really give out that kind of bad impression towards Bitcoin specially to those people who hadnt much knowledge about bitcoin but directly make out their conclusion or impression would end up on being negative without even realizing that fiat had been always used on these illegal things.
Anyone would really be arrested if ever someone do commits out violation and laws of a specific country.If bitcoin is banned on your place then it would be just common sense that you would
really be avoiding it as much you could because you are much aware that on what would happen if ever government do knows or caught you on using it and it would be just normal that they would
impose those cases against you.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: darkangel11 on September 09, 2022, 09:42:51 PM
4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading.

That's a funny one. They needed a whole battalion that has a name like it's a SWAT unit, to arrest some crypto traders. Talk about overreacting. They called an army to step on some ants there. Pathetic!

I bet they charged them with guns screaming "lay on the ground! hands on your head!"
-We got you you dirty traders. Wanted to exchange our beloved fiat money, a government property, into some worthless electronic money? Next time you decide to pay for something online know we're watching. Real money should be exchanged for real things! ;D


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 09, 2022, 09:44:13 PM
The main mistake that can ensnare them is the case of money laundering which is prohibited in any country. I don't think this is the first case of a bitcoin trader being arrested for money laundering, but this is the umpteenth case in my opinion.

Money laundering is the reason the government has been reluctant to legalize bitcoin so far in some countries, but I don't think bitcoin is to blame for that case because bitcoin is a medium that has just been abused. I won't believe if media that blames bitcoin unilaterally when it's actually the culprit.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: ChiNgadOr on September 09, 2022, 09:45:28 PM
So, they're not just illegally trading but also scamming people over the dating sites. I guess that they're pretending to be women so that they're easily given money when they ask to their prospect target.

They are probably doing that for long and have found some way to do and hide their transactions into bitcoin. But how they were tracked and traced?

Well, they deserve that and those people that they scammed and fooled didn't know who they were talking to and now the arrest has brought justice to them.
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Now I get the gist of the whole matter. These guys are actually scammers that use the tricky in the name of females to scammer people then recieves the funds in Bitcoin which is later sold through P2P trading. They do trade Bitcoin for cash later cash to Bitcoin but the source of their is through illegal practice.
They are real scammers and we don't have to see them as Bitcoin traders because they were not actually a trader but scammer which was very surprising to me at the first stance.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: ololajulo on September 09, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
If we are talking about Bangladesh here there are many things to say like Bangladesh Bitcoin is not completely illegal it is kept at a neutral level now there are some people who think that dollar transaction is money laundering, I can see this in front of them keyboard mice there are many things in fact they are not criminals only if they have it. It has been seen many times in the past that people who used to sell dollars by p2p method have been caught by the police many times and objections have been raised against them that they are doing money laundering however the current situation seems to be Blockchain will be implemented in Bangladesh very soon let's see what happens.
Am confused with the information,maybe the information is not complete. Money laundering to me may not be scamming people so we might need some clarification as well, I also observed that those in Government are more into laundering than the regular citizens, so the allegation sometimes looks targetted. More so how did the P2P pay on dollar not the local currency, that's not proper as well.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Oceat on September 09, 2022, 11:29:20 PM
By looking at what they arrested them with. You would strongly believe that they are into internet fraud. They brought the arrest up themselves. They are aware that bitcoin is illegal in their country and they went ahead to be using bitcoin which is prohibited. They just think that by using bitcoin they can't be traced. Anyway, Internet fraudsters are very fond of asking their client to pay in their bitcoin address
Who knows what happens?

Ah, I see, I've read the replies above it seems that these people are doing some nasty thing that isn't acceptable cause they were scamming people through the other site. They may try to cover their tracks by trading in Bitcoin to hide who are they but they can't hide when they start scamming people from the site since their IP are present.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Smartvirus on September 09, 2022, 11:40:45 PM
My nation is not bitcoin friendly as well and still, we rank as one of the highest bitcoin adopters world wide. A trade once sue a government agency over a fraud case involving the trading of cryptocurrency and after providing all the evidence as per accurate records, the individual won against the agency following court rulings.

The point I'm trying to highlight here is, though bitcoin may be banned deonst mean its trading is also banned. Banning bitcoin might be subject to its use case for an acceptable currency for exchange within the country but trading it against other currency in the currency market is different or just my thoughts.

Another point in this is, the trades weren't illegal and the trader ensured accurate book keeping on his activities.

After reading the case in OP, it appears its an entirely different case. A case of fraud, using bitcoin. Unfortunately, the government are not going to relay the story the way it ought to be said.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: budi691 on September 10, 2022, 01:58:42 AM
but why Bitcoin is always blamed in every news related to the use of Bitcoin, surely these 4 people are breaking the law in this country, so it's only natural that they are arrested, whatever the problem is related to money laundering or fraud using Bitcoin, it doesn't mean Bitcoin is wrong but the wrong person is using it. Bitcoin


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: livingfree on September 10, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
So, they're not just illegally trading but also scamming people over the dating sites. I guess that they're pretending to be women so that they're easily given money when they ask to their prospect target.

They are probably doing that for long and have found some way to do and hide their transactions into bitcoin. But how they were tracked and traced?

Well, they deserve that and those people that they scammed and fooled didn't know who they were talking to and now the arrest has brought justice to them.
I
Now I get the gist of the whole matter. These guys are actually scammers that use the tricky in the name of females to scammer people then recieves the funds in Bitcoin which is later sold through P2P trading. They do trade Bitcoin for cash later cash to Bitcoin but the source of their is through illegal practice.
They are real scammers and we don't have to see them as Bitcoin traders because they were not actually a trader but scammer which was very surprising to me at the first stance.
That's what likely they do.

The money they're getting from scamming people over dating sites are being transferred into exchanges or P2P websites for them to convert it into a non-trackable transaction.

Yes, they're real scammers and only does trade when they're about to convert the money they've scammed from those victim of theirs over dating sites.

Well, who knows how much they've collected from doing this. They seemed to be not new to this.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: lucates on September 10, 2022, 04:08:34 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Money laundering was common even before bitcoin. Maybe it's easy to use crypto currencies. Money laundering and terror financing is unknowingly happening even though we have all these strict laws and punishments. Among countries without any proper coordination and acceptance of crypto-currencies, how can we expect their misuse will be stopped?


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: Findingnemo on September 10, 2022, 04:18:36 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Money laundering was common even before bitcoin. Maybe it's easy to use crypto currencies. Money laundering and terror financing is unknowingly happening even though we have all these strict laws and punishments. Among countries without any proper coordination and acceptance of crypto-currencies, how can we expect their misuse will be stopped?
The laundering and funding for the anti government organisations will never stop because they are stuck with many old traditional methods than going with updates so the laundering by small groups of people are common and it is not really considerable when we calculate the crime rate of same with fiat money so this is just for the flashy so it will get more attention.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: FanEagle on September 10, 2022, 05:42:03 PM
I think the media exaggerates the related side of Bitcoin for bad news headlines because India has banned Crypto activity, if we analyze all news content then the influence of crypto should not be related because it is the fault of the perpetrators to deceive others under the guise of illegal dating service sites and operate fake business investments. . In conclusion, without the involvement of Bitcoin then they are still perpetrators of fraud, but what if they use fiat currency, then should fiat be banned?

We see other reports for different cases, The Rapid Action Battalion has arrested 4 perpetrators for being involved in illegal Bitcoin transactions in Bangladesh, just stop there and we will see further facts, The four perpetrators buy videos from "dark" porn sites and then sell them and they are experts at hacking credit cards to buy bitcoins. And again, it has almost nothing to do with Bitcoin, so it's all just an effort to pressure people to avoid using crypto.
That is what my approach has always been about and people do not see that. They say bitcoin is used to buy drugs, well dollars are used to buy drugs too, they say bitcoin is used to hire killers, well so far it was dollars that people used, they say it's used for money laundering the most, well how did people launder money before 2009?

Moreover, people could say that bitcoin is being used for bad stuff but we all know it is currency that is used for it somehow, even without bitcoin there will be people who will use fiat and still do the bad things and that will not be okay with me neither, hence do not ban the crypto world, ban the bad peoples work.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: boris singer on September 10, 2022, 07:36:03 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Money laundering was common even before bitcoin. Maybe it's easy to use crypto currencies. Money laundering and terror financing is unknowingly happening even though we have all these strict laws and punishments. Among countries without any proper coordination and acceptance of crypto-currencies, how can we expect their misuse will be stopped?
Things like this are difficult, because as you said, money laundering has existed for a long time, so things like this are ingrained not only in one region or country, maybe even in almost all countries like this.
Stopping this kind of thing is impossible especially when there are several high-profile and vested people involved. why things like this especially laundering through bitcoin are always the most highlighted, because this is a medium to bring in money because when money laundering is reported, it's actually quite different when there is "Crypto" or "bitcoin" in the news.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: TimeTeller on September 10, 2022, 11:25:45 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Money laundering was common even before bitcoin. Maybe it's easy to use crypto currencies. Money laundering and terror financing is unknowingly happening even though we have all these strict laws and punishments. Among countries without any proper coordination and acceptance of crypto-currencies, how can we expect their misuse will be stopped?
Things like this are difficult, because as you said, money laundering has existed for a long time, so things like this are ingrained not only in one region or country, maybe even in almost all countries like this.
Stopping this kind of thing is impossible especially when there are several high-profile and vested people involved. why things like this especially laundering through bitcoin are always the most highlighted, because this is a medium to bring in money because when money laundering is reported, it's actually quite different when there is "Crypto" or "bitcoin" in the news.

That is very right, as the media can highlight the role of bitcoin in yet another illegal activity.
But the fact is, money laundering is out of control also when it comes to fiat.
The bad thing here in this news is, these people may really had scammed people via btc.
But if they are just maybe trading for personal reasons, they may not be captured by their authorities, even if we say, crypto is banned in Bangladesh.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: KennyR on September 10, 2022, 11:49:23 PM
Newspaper or the whole media world will go with the title which is more attractive so they will get more readers and engagement respectively but in the article if they mentioned the actual reason for this arrest is kind of shady activities involved not only for doing trading with cryptocurrencies.

Money laundering was common even before bitcoin. Maybe it's easy to use crypto currencies. Money laundering and terror financing is unknowingly happening even though we have all these strict laws and punishments. Among countries without any proper coordination and acceptance of crypto-currencies, how can we expect their misuse will be stopped?
Things like this are difficult, because as you said, money laundering has existed for a long time, so things like this are ingrained not only in one region or country, maybe even in almost all countries like this.
Stopping this kind of thing is impossible especially when there are several high-profile and vested people involved. why things like this especially laundering through bitcoin are always the most highlighted, because this is a medium to bring in money because when money laundering is reported, it's actually quite different when there is "Crypto" or "bitcoin" in the news.

That is very right, as the media can highlight the role of bitcoin in yet another illegal activity.
But the fact is, money laundering is out of control also when it comes to fiat.
The bad thing here in this news is, these people may really had scammed people via btc.
But if they are just maybe trading for personal reasons, they may not be captured by their authorities, even if we say, crypto is banned in Bangladesh.
Yes, these people should've involved with some form of scam in the name of bitcoin. All around the world more such traps and scams are operating. We need to be careful while dealing with such kind of investment schemes. In my region the people who doesn't have basic understanding are spreading and canvassing to get into cryptocurrency investment.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: cheezcarls on September 10, 2022, 11:49:56 PM
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The news (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/) comes from Bangladesh that 4 people were arrested by RAB-5 (Rapid Action Battalion) for the purpose of illegal bitcoin trading. The news I read is in Bengali, and if I translate the news, then according to the news sources, those 4 people who are placed in Narshingdi are arrested not only for using bitcoin, though bitcoin is illegal in Bangladesh, but they are also being arrested because they are doing some kind of money laundering. According to the news, they first use some illegal and banned dating websites, then from other countries' people take dollars, then they convert those dollars into cash through the p2p method. Finally, they convert that cash into bitcoin again through the p2p method. So Bitocin is illegal, which means they did not pay taxes because of the p2p method, and RAB suspects they are involved in money laundering. So that's the overall news.
 
Now my closing statement on this matter is that no doubt this arrest is a good job because these guys are scamming people and laundering money, but in this case, the news portal highlights bitcoin that it is illegally traded. What I do think is good. Because they choose illegal paths like dating websites and money laundering, but you can't use balmebitcoin for this. That's my opinion. What do you think about this news? Please share it with us. Thank you.
 
News source. (https://www.thbangla.com/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95/)

Bitcoin has been used as front for various ponzi schemes, scams, money laundering, etc. It's just sad that when misinformed or uniformed people have heard about Bitcoin, they are one sided instead of looking at its positive use cases and fundamentals.

It's also sad that countries like this along with a few have outlawed the use of Bitcoin whether for trading, holding, mining, etc.

At least these money launderers got caught in Bangladesh though. They deserve to get punished for conducting illegal activities to scam and victimize people. But it would be a different story if they got arrested for trading cryptocurrencies in exchanges like what we are doing nowadays.


Title: Re: 4 Bitcoin Traders Arrested Due To Illegal Trading
Post by: boris singer on September 11, 2022, 08:50:59 PM
Things like this are difficult, because as you said, money laundering has existed for a long time, so things like this are ingrained not only in one region or country, maybe even in almost all countries like this.
Stopping this kind of thing is impossible especially when there are several high-profile and vested people involved. why things like this especially laundering through bitcoin are always the most highlighted, because this is a medium to bring in money because when money laundering is reported, it's actually quite different when there is "Crypto" or "bitcoin" in the news.

That is very right, as the media can highlight the role of bitcoin in yet another illegal activity.
But the fact is, money laundering is out of control also when it comes to fiat.
The bad thing here in this news is, these people may really had scammed people via btc.
But if they are just maybe trading for personal reasons, they may not be captured by their authorities, even if we say, crypto is banned in Bangladesh.
As I said before when referring to money laundering in the form of Fiat this will only be considered normal because this is something that has been happening for a long time and it is so entrenched that it is very difficult to stop.
As for when you re-read the link that the OP put in the thread, indeed in this case there is some context about laundering through Crypto but on the other hand we also get something else not because they commit fraud through illegal and forbidden dating sites, then from other countries take dollars from this but this is not the main focus because it is certain that bitcoin is the thing that will be the main focus in this case.