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Economy => Reputation => Topic started by: xtraelv on September 13, 2022, 12:50:41 PM



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Post by: xtraelv on September 13, 2022, 12:50:41 PM
Edited since I think I misunderstood the request.


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: mocacinno on September 13, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
--snip--

I've never posted feedback on. wwzsocki. The only user that contacted me a few months earlier was     ziyush.

He's probably talking about your trustlist instead of negative feedback on his trustpage:
https://loyce.club/trust/2020-08-22_Sat_05.07h/897509.html

But when he says he has contacted you before, but you have no record of such a PM might be an indication of being an alt... Whether or not it's sufficient proof: i have no idear...


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 13, 2022, 01:23:41 PM
Considering they are alt (There are possibility that they may not be too)

It's absolutely fine to have alt accounts in the forum. If someone message you in private and if you feel they somehow exposed their alts then isn't it better to keep it that way? At least I would keep it private by any means unless I find they are practicing unofficial forbidden things like working in signature campaign from the both accounts if the campaign manager has strict rule not to enroll alt accounts. I will message them privately first to give them a chance before I bring it in public.


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: Eternad on September 13, 2022, 01:31:08 PM
It's absolutely fine to have alt accounts in the forum. If someone message you in private and if you feel they somehow exposed their alts then isn't it better to keep it that way? At least I would keep it private by any means unless I find they are practicing unofficial forbidden things like working in signature campaign from the both accounts if the campaign manager has strict rule not to enroll alt accounts.

Account Ziyush has a negative reputation for running scam service while user wwzsocki is a trusted user here in the forum. The OP will not gonna waste time posting this thread if both accounts has a clear reputation. Probably to warn other user that dealing on the other account if the connection is valid.

I doubt that this enough evidence to connect 2 accounts here base on the typical guidelines of investigator here in the forum.


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 13, 2022, 01:46:02 PM
I am trying to understand the situation.

Account Ziyush has a negative reputation for running scam service while user wwzsocki is a trusted user here in the forum. The OP will not gonna waste time posting this thread if both accounts has a clear reputation. Probably to warn other user that dealing on the other account if the connection is valid.
I just had a quick look on Ziyush's trust page. It seems OP and Ziyush had issue with Cryptopia. OP was arguing in favour of Cryptopia and Ziyush was arguing against it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3247456.msg33903978#msg33903978) Is this the result of the two feedback left by OP (https://i.postimg.cc/nhjpWdKn/Screenshot-2.png)? To me it seems it's the result of the argument. Please correct me if I am wrong.

On the other hand Ziyush sent a negative feedback to OP (https://i.postimg.cc/RCHY2jys/Screenshot-3.png) which also reflects issue with Cryptopia.

Clearly it's between two guys who did not have common interest and wanted to protect each others project or project they like.

The other feedback on ziyush feedback page is about nothing but a dead project. In 2017/2018 we had so many of them.





Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: coupable on September 13, 2022, 03:24:54 PM
OP, You have the right to publish whatever you want on the forum as long as you do not violate its rules. But, frankly, I do not see a good reason for you to publish these suspicions to the public, as long as the two accounts are not involved in suspicious activities. Given that having more than one account on the forum is allowed, the desire of the owner of both accounts to keep this a private decision, I think it is good for the rest to respect it.
This is in addition to the difference in the situation that you encountered with each of the two accounts. I don't think you are posting this just for defamation. Or maybe you want the rest of the members to search for stronger connections between the two accounts just based on suspicion .


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on September 13, 2022, 07:21:47 PM
It would be worth looking into the profiles that tried to leave ziyush what seems to be fake positive feedback. perhaps, the person had no idea how the trust system works and thought he would manipulate it using a bunch of alts that were not on DT

olkah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881806)    2018-11-12        Good
Bitexlive Info (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2072395)    2018-11-12        its safe to use bitsum telegram wallet
Destek Bitexlive (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1058190)    2018-10-05        I see this money holder working for the project. I find her reliable.
Floo1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1172049)    2018-04-15        I've been using this coin in telegrams for 4 months. It's convenient. BITSUM has a fast growing community and excellent tools.
idrisalomagold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1143715)    2018-04-14        Anyone rating bitsum negatively is assumed to be paid to do so. Bitsum is very reliable, trustworthy and hardworking in delivering as promised.

The project is growing fast and making waves. I and my downlines have never had any issues with it.
Jewel2895 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1857252)    2018-04-14        Bitsum telegram wallet is safe to use.
zool2003 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1620294)    2018-04-14        You can have your own wallet which can operate on your own machine completely independent of the telegram app and when mining the coins can go into a wallet that has nothing to do with telegram so you can transfer what ever amount you would like there. I think your reason is floored tbh if you were involved in the coin you would be in the telegram group with the benefit of more information.
combat007 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1014505)    2018-04-11    Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2952864)    awesome coin to mine. meseenger is the future and coins associated with them are fortune..
ranchi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1892629)    2018-04-10    Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2952864.0)    Bitsum have personel telegram wallet and that is controlled by user,





Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: examplens on September 13, 2022, 07:54:19 PM
If I understand correctly, user ziyush complains about the negative feedback you left him, while wwzsocki talking about you being added to your distrust list. He clearly cares about being a DT member.
there is not much connection here to connect as alt accounts, the only thing that is similar is that they sent you some kind of request via PM.


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: yahoo62278 on September 13, 2022, 08:57:31 PM
If I understand correctly, user ziyush complains about the negative feedback you left him, while wwzsocki talking about you being added to your distrust list. He clearly cares about being a DT member.
there is not much connection here to connect as alt accounts, the only thing that is similar is that they sent you some kind of request via PM.
Even if there was enough to connect them, why does it matter? Alts are allowed.

OP if you think these 2 are alts, then post in the user generated alts thread. Maybe someone there would be interested in investigating.


Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: Stalker22 on September 13, 2022, 09:00:17 PM
Maybe unrelated, but wwzsocki was already suspected of having an alt account: crypto mania (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1774842).

Accounts connected: wwzsocki (uuid = 131333) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131333), crypto mania (uuid = 1774842) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1774842)

Reason: using multiple accounts, trading merit, self-talking, account hacking, same ethereum addresses

ethereum address of wwzsocki  (https://web.archive.org/web/20190525221545/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2401960.msg24614361)
ethereum address of crypto mania (https://web.archive.org/web/20190525221732/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1774842)
trading merit beetween wwzsocki and crypto mania (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1774842.html)
self-talking (https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131474.msg50691833#msg50691833)
trading trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1774842)

All addresses
0x389Fd36aDe499b71da9FD651D092e6a167eb3cEc

More evidence here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147367.msg51218281#msg51218281) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147367.msg51221479#msg51221479).

Do you share the same email with your friend?

Quote
SIGNATURE
Bitcointalk username: crypto mania
Forum rank: member
Starting post count: 203
Email you used to register on Dominium: ofertyww@gmail.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4678695.msg42980785#msg42980785

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#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Bitcointalk Username: crypto mania
Telegram Username: @emoneyabc
Campaign Participated: signature, Facebook, Twitter, blog/article
Email you used to register on Dominium: ofertyww@gmail.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4976561.msg45125137#msg45125137

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I’m an active and high rank member of Bitcointalk, altcoinstalks.com, no links to another forum forums. [...]
Contact:
Email: ofertyww@gmail.com
Telegram: @EmoneyABC
or send PM here on AltcoinsTalks
http://archive.is/Fpef0#selection-577.0-558.27



Title: Re: wwzsocki suspected alt of ziyush
Post by: Timelord2067 on September 14, 2022, 01:25:58 AM
Even if there was enough to connect them, why does it matter? Alts are allowed.

OP if you think these 2 are alts, then post in the user generated alts thread. Maybe someone there would be interested in investigating.

I rather something more than the OP possibly forgetting they deleted a PM from a random, then months later trying to weakly connect two seemingly random UID's.

Stalker22 has dug that little bit deeper which is what the OP should have done first.