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Title: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: KiaKia on September 26, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: jackg on September 26, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
If they can't even be bothered to write their own whitepaper then it might be an indication they're not in it much but I don't think it's a red flag.

A lot of projects copy others' utilities and just do it under a different team - especially bigger projects that want to sell their skills further or revive the price of their token/currency for their investors. If you've got a better way of determining if a team is good (except a whitepaper - such as functional or well written code) that might be enough to invest in a project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 26, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?
What's a big project? If a project has no real value and only uses hype to attract investors, it's still a sham and newbies should avoid it
If a project has tried out a certain utility successfully, why copy their framework, and if they did it unsuccessfully, why copy a failed project?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
A whitepaper is meant to give all information regarding a particular project, a team should have the originality to create their own design, and if the can't, they should be avoided.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: 348Judah on September 26, 2022, 06:27:41 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

People were just used to this stupid stuff called plagiarism, why will they copy others work without coming out with thier own idea of something new, as for me i will rather assume a higher percentage on those kinds of project as scam, and you need to know how you research upon their kinds because they know how to hype and manipulate reviews, if they can do that with their whitepaper then nothing being whiite or transparent again about them than manipulating skills, they can go to any length in doing that using different methods.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 27, 2022, 05:23:56 AM
If the idea is copied, and it also happens that team members are copied, or fake photos are added to team photos, to which the organizers later explain that fake photos are for privacy, all this suggests that this is a scam. 
At the same time, copying, and even a partial change, speak only of the impending scam. It happened many times. To collect money from future investors, scammers do not disdain anything, add strangers to the team, and copy other people's ideas.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: noorman0 on September 27, 2022, 06:59:04 AM
Today there are many "impromptu developers" who don't even know how to describe what they're building. A common reason is that they hire WP writers, that's after they've been caught plagiarizing.
I can't remember the last time I checked the WP of a project, but I think my time was too valuable to study the current projects that are on average no improvement over existing projects. Let's just say it's all a scam.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on September 27, 2022, 07:54:19 AM
What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Actually copying concept or idea from others are allowed or let say playsafe cause most projects didnt have different agenda from one another, what is wrong is the lazyness to copy word for word and in every rules its prohibited and subject to a crime.

Plagiarism is a serious offense and once you do it here on forum there are corresponding sanction.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Despairo on September 27, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
Alright please mention the big projects that copying other project whitepaper you've above.

When there's a project which have a goal to make a decentralized currency and doesn't need a third party, why it's needed to create another project to create decentralized currency and doesn't need a third party in the first place? Of course the project only want to make a project that's really successful and the goal is to get money.

I'd say any fork or copycat projects are scam.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Zaguru12 on September 27, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
The red flag one could actually find out from a project's white paper is, if  the project promises to solve a particular technical problem of other projects that ideally does not need any solution then there is every tendency that the project will fail.

Price and Allocation of Token : if the project's market cap is very high after token supply and pricing then that projects looks suspicious because ideally it is best to have low token supply.

Roadmap: one should should look strictly into the technical development of a coin. Most important info should be about the mainnet. If its delivery is promised with few months without the development starting long before the ICO then its a suspicious project


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: examplens on September 27, 2022, 09:36:53 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

You got one thing wrong, plagiarism is not an undesirable behaviour among newbies. this applies to everyone, regardless of experience. I don't mean only this forum. that is not desirable in any industry, why would it be acceptable in crypto?
even if the idea is very similar to an existing business, it can always be made to be unique with an emphasis on the improvements it offers. if someone can't even put in that much effort, I would say that the whole team deserves a red flag.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Eternad on September 27, 2022, 09:48:48 AM
Some scam project still copy other project whitepaper because this the hardest part of the project if they will do it genuinely for just the sake of scamming people. Investors rarely investigate for a possible plagiarism which is why scammer still not being cautious about this. They sometimes just use some rephrasing app to dodge plagiarism detector appbut a serious investigator will surely spot the similarities if he is familiar with other project whitepaper.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: mk4 on September 27, 2022, 10:16:18 AM
If a "big project" does copy a whitepaper, then stay away regardless if it's big or not lmao. A project being "big" and having a lot of publicity doesn't automatically make it a legitimate/viable project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Taskford on September 27, 2022, 10:22:33 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

Actually yes since if they cannot give any detail explanation towards where there project heading in the future then maybe we can conclude that the owner of the project just want to rush things and plan to scam people. Because they will not give any trash contents to their investors if they are serious on their created products and its roadmap.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: BlackBoss_ on September 27, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects?
One of biggest red flag because it's plagiarism and why team members do this?

Because they don't have ability to write their own white paper, own concept and do you think they will build good products?

It can be because they are lack of resources for writing a good whitepaper. It means their team are very thin and probably weak, incapable.

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I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?
Heard?

Could you give me examples of big projects you heard like that, please.

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What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
If you find plagiarism in a Whitepaper, you should not invest in that new project. There are many projects that have years here and you will be safer to invest into old projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Kelvinid on September 27, 2022, 01:21:00 PM
Yeah, you're right OP. Scammers do a copy from successful projects and use this for their project making to believe that they can trick people and yes, many investors got it because they are lazy to read the whitepaper and that was the truth, only a few bothered themselves and spend time reading it. But, those critics make use of this to detect projects that are less potential and close to scams. Grammars and spelling are one of the common things to be found to an unreliable projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: aysg76 on September 27, 2022, 01:42:22 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
How come both the projects have the same idea realisation until they are one? Suppose two projects are working towards a common goal but their way of working should be different from others otherwise which one you will choose? The proof of concept is your own and if it's original it can never be same so it's definitely a red flag for those projects.

You can have some references from others while framing one of your own white paper if you don't have idea about it but as you say copy paste then what's the advantage of those projects who can't clearly conceptualize their own idea and framework? So have some other options.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: hichamito37 on September 27, 2022, 02:36:24 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

To evaluate a project, you need to consider many factors, not just the whitepaper but once you have plagiarized, stealing other people's ideas is no longer believable. Even the whitepaper they can't create, they certainly don't intend to develop the project seriously. You should stay away from them without further consideration.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: hyudien on September 27, 2022, 02:55:05 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
The whitepaper of projects that have the same essence shows that the project does not have its own characteristics. Because the whitepaper is a reference for investors regarding the objectives and functions to achieve the program, so when investors are interested in the project because there are things that distinguish it from other projects. Well, this is where the original value of a project can be seen from the whitepaper. No wonder there are so many projects that copy whitepapers from other projects the results don't last long. My suggestion is that the project should have an advantage that distinguishes it from the others even if it is only 1% difference, it will still be a reference for others to be interested in.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: hugeblack on September 27, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
It is an indication that the project will be a failure. If the white paper is weak, the project has nothing new to offer.
On the other hand, a well-written white paper does not mean that the project is successful or that it will achieve many profits.
In general, it is considered one of the indicators in addition to various factors.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: hd49728 on September 27, 2022, 03:20:06 PM
It is an indication that the project will be a failure. If the white paper is weak, the project has nothing new to offer.
Whitepaper is a tip of iceberg. If a tip is bad, others should be bad too.

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On the other hand, a well-written white paper does not mean that the project is successful or that it will achieve many profits.
However if a tip is good, it is not enough to conclude others are good too.

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In general, it is considered one of the indicators in addition to various factors.
True. Investors must need and use more indicators to assess a project. One of them is token distribution. Is it fair distribution? Is the token controlled by a few whale wallets?

It should be signal to consider about scam, rug pull and potential dumps on market later.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TheUltraElite on September 27, 2022, 03:32:07 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects?
Why just newbies, it is a red flag for anyone having interest in the project.

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I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?
Bullshit whoever told you that or if you made that up. Projects doing a similar objective will fail because they always have some or the other mainstream competitor and crypto is a niche cult, not able to nudge that.

Copying words and copying whitepapers is not the same.

The second one is plagiarism and is unethical, which in this sphere only means one thing: SCAM.

Copying a few words seems like the bullshit that such scams feed its possible investors. Do some language checkup of possibility of translated language and you will find out that word spinning was done to fool users. This is very common among scammers.

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What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Always a scam. Not an ounce of doubt here.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: crwth on September 27, 2022, 03:40:21 PM
Do you even know what the whitepaper is for? I don’t know where you got that information from where it doesn’t matter much anymore, but it’s the soul of projects in which you would know what the project’s objective is for. This should also have some related literature in which you should have a supporting study to improve the project.

Do not invest in something plagiarised or just duplicated of one because that’s probably something that isn’t ready and worthy. Imagine investing in a class B that is just a copy of the original. Do you think it is worth it?


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Coyster on September 27, 2022, 03:49:43 PM
What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Mind you that even these days projects that have original whitepapers written by themselves from scratch are more often than not scam projects, not to talk of a project whose team is so lazy that they can write out what the objectives of their project is by themselves in their whitepaper, but have to copy and paste that of another project, that is definitely an obvious sign of a scam project that will either run away with people's money, or produce worthless coins that would be useless even right from the moment of distribution.

Having said that, a whitepaper remains very crucial in an investors assessment of a project and its potential, though there are also other things to look out for, and even if it is practically impossible to know if a project is/will be good/bad, it's much more better to avoid those that look so shady from the beginning.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Myleschetty on September 27, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Yes, the whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and its team because the level of the project team's enthusiasm for what they are planning to present to the world will be showcased through the whitepaper. Besides, the whitepaper is like a parking slot for a project among others.
People who are guilty of whitepaper plagiarism are always teg by the DT member.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: vv181 on September 27, 2022, 06:37:27 PM
A whitepaper is a representation of a whole idea, the unique selling of the platform/product, and the pain point of the customer or market. The essence is a manifestation of a goal about the project, where it was from and where it is goings. The problem is, even if the utilities/type of some project is closely similar, there will always be that differentiate between those two.

Suppose projects trying to solve a similar problem, surely they won't also do it in a similar manner. So it should be a red flag if some project just won't bother to write a proper and professional whitepaper, it doesn't solely guarantee how successful it is, but it does could indicate the quality of the person who runs the project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Anonylz on September 27, 2022, 07:10:03 PM
Let's be honest, how many investors of crypto that spend time reading the whitepaper or invest because of what is written on whitepaper?
If whitepaper was an important factor in the past I don't think it is anymore. What am saying is, WP is no longer a necessary factor to invest in a project,  with or without it, any serious team will deliver.
Lots of failed projects with flamboyant whitepaper,  if was the backbone of a project, they won't end up as failure.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Jackl87 on September 27, 2022, 07:26:52 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?
What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

I would say a copied whitepaper is definitely still a huge red flag for everyone that is considering to invest in that project. I mean if the team behind that project did not even take the time to write a good and detailed whitepaper, then this automatically means for me that the project itself is also not to be taken seriously. A whitepaper needs to explain what the project is trying to achieve and also give information about the tokenomics, the team behind the project the roadmap and so on.
Of course if you are investing into meme-coins (shit-coins) then the whitepaper does not matter, as the project will be dead again in a few days anyway.
Good projects still have good whitepapers though.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: decodx on September 27, 2022, 08:06:34 PM
I think the whitepaper is one of the core components of a good project. You could use whitepaper as a good first step in deciding whether or not to invest in a project. Or, you could use whitepaper as just another piece of information in your final decision-making process. Whatever choice you make, make sure that it serves your purposes best.

In the end, you will have to decide what a whitepaper means to you as an investor. But one thing I can confidently say is that if you see a whitepaper that is plagiarized, inaccurate, has grammatical errors or poorly written in general; then it's almost certain that the team behind the project are not serious about their project at all.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Oasisman on September 27, 2022, 08:17:48 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

If it's a copied whitepaper, it is not necessarily a scam or a red flag. However, you might not want to engage in it because the fact that they can't even create their own unique whitepaper, regardless if they have similar goals, utility, and anything like that. What's important is the sincerity of the devs and the team behind the project to make things happen positively and to bring their project at the top of the crypto market. Now, the first indicator for that is the whitepaper.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Quidat on September 27, 2022, 08:48:26 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Always look for the original and never ever consider out on investing into projects who do copy out whitepaper on other projects which i do always have that impression
that they arent really that good to invest on because they arent really that serious into the project which it would really be just right that they should create on their own
despite on having similarities on other projects but it wasnt really that good thing for you to copy out on others write ups, specially if we do speak about
white paper which is really a very crucial object on a particular object.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: batang_bitcoin on September 27, 2022, 08:52:12 PM
It's still one big factor so, if they have copy pasted it from somewhere else then it's a big red flag. You don't want to invest into projects that can't even make their whitepaper because it's like where everything is written together with their plans, so, you want to make it easy by finding it out that they've got really plans or they've just copied it.
What do you say with that? You want to invest into a project that has just been copying others plan or those with an actual plan and does their own thing?


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Stalker22 on September 27, 2022, 09:11:17 PM
One of the most popular altcoin or ICO-related question in today's time is whether whitepapers matter. Well, it does matter.

Whitepaper definitely shows that the team behind it has already thought through the process of their project and how they want to bring it to life. Making a good whitepaper is not a simple thing, but having one just makes us believe in the project much more than if there's no whitepaper at all, or even worse, if it was copied from another project. White paper is the first step that a project team can do to expose their idea to the public and if the white paper is copied, it would be the first signal of scam alert. If a project says that they can do what hundreds of other projects have failed to achieve, then they need to offer something unique and not simply a whitepaper that comes from a template. That whitepaper is worthless.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Fatunad on September 27, 2022, 09:40:06 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

If it's a copied whitepaper, it is not necessarily a scam or a red flag. However, you might not want to engage in it because the fact that they can't even create their own unique whitepaper, regardless if they have similar goals, utility, and anything like that. What's important is the sincerity of the devs and the team behind the project to make things happen positively and to bring their project at the top of the crypto market. Now, the first indicator for that is the whitepaper.
I would say the same thing which if they dont have time nor put up some effort on making their own whitepaper then you can already presume out that the project team arent really that serious in towards their project
and as an investor then this is something which isn't really that appealing into your eyes.Just like the rest then i would simply skip out and find another project for i am able to invest which is something you could
see that they had put up effort and not copying WP but you should bare up in mind even though its unique or they made up themselves it wont automatically means that you would be successful
into that kind of funding or investment.There's no assurance since every project could turn out to be a scam.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: coin-investor on September 27, 2022, 10:54:49 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

You can hire people here and on Fiverr to create a whitepaper for you and investors will be impressed with the whitepaper. Still, it's not only the whitepaper that can make your project good in the eyes of the investors, the team composition and their past experiences and their partnerships is a significant factor, but we have also seen a lot of copy paste or edited whitepaper, a legit project will not do that, they have a concept on their own, not something that they take out from the other projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Rengga Jati on September 27, 2022, 11:29:47 PM
The whitepaper is one of the elements that we can analyze to reach a project. From the Whitepaper, we can see the concept of their project clearly, the roadmap, technology offered, schemes, team, and also other important information commonly written on the whitepaper. If the originality of a whitepaper is true and the authenticity can be verified, at least, we know that the team is serious about making their project wth their own WP. At least, they tried to do the least element of a project that should have clear and exact WP.
But once more, WP is not only the element that is important to cosnider. We must also know and analyze whether the WP also confirm and inform about what utility and use case of the proejct. ALso, the development of the project whether it is suitable with their roadmap or not. The development and progress of a project is very important to know how serious and hard the team is trying further.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: X-ray on September 27, 2022, 11:37:40 PM
Whitepaper has been representing the future vision by the team yet this is not a good indicator to think if the team is legit or reliable compared with another team. The fact that if this time so many people aware about the team can use the whitepaper as a way to make sure people believe in their vision when reality will always be the opposite thing from what already stated in the whitepaper. I personally never take whitepaper as a serious thing for that. In my opinion if whitepaper is not a reliable indicator anymore.
It's still matter to the people who trying to invest but it's not a thing that guaranteed if that project will not be a scam. I see that so many projects dead even they have good whitepaper.
There are so many copy paste whitepaper as well.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: harizen on September 27, 2022, 11:43:45 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects?  

I think a newbie can even answer this. Obviously, a copied whitepaper is a red flag. How come these project owners can run smoothly their projects if they can't even work to make their own whitepaper? Regardless if the use-case is almost the same, it's a shitty move for them to just copy another project's whitepaper.

Where's the seriousness?

I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

Can you give us the names of those "big projects" that have a copied whitepaper from others?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

After doing some research about the basic factors to look at a new project, lurk on their discussion group to see the pulse of other people there about that project. I'm sure you know the difference between real users and shillers there.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TimeTeller on September 27, 2022, 11:48:15 PM
Whitepaper has been representing the future vision by the team yet this is not a good indicator to think if the team is legit or reliable compared with another team. The fact that if this time so many people aware about the team can use the whitepaper as a way to make sure people believe in their vision when reality will always be the opposite thing from what already stated in the whitepaper. I personally never take whitepaper as a serious thing for that. In my opinion if whitepaper is not a reliable indicator anymore.
It's still matter to the people who trying to invest but it's not a thing that guaranteed if that project will not be a scam. I see that so many projects dead even they have good whitepaper.
There are so many copy paste whitepaper as well.

I have the same sentiments as I've seen comprehensive whitepapers and yet, they ended up bad.
Much better, if you will check their use case and their objectives. Will it attract great number of users long-term?
Or do they have working app or services already? Because even if the concept is very noble,
it is still up to the team how they will implement it in real world.
Thus, whitepaper is not the ultimate reason why a certain project can achieve success.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: dansus021 on September 28, 2022, 01:00:19 AM
as far that i know that whitepaper can show what the real purpose of the coin and of course this will make what the future coin will be is it good or not but i usually compare it with roadmap and their achievement


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TravelMug on September 28, 2022, 01:31:14 AM
as far that i know that whitepaper can show what the real purpose of the coin and of course this will make what the future coin will be is it good or not but i usually compare it with roadmap and their achievement

Well you can just look at Bitcoin's whitepaper and tell us what it wanted to achieved and that should be the content of the current whitepapers that those project that we have right now. The problem is that whitepaper now are also being abuse, many have been copying each other and change the name and claim to be theirs. And if that is the case I wouldn't trust that project. Because the mere fact that they hire someone to write a whitepaper for them (and this person just simply copy and paste), is not a good sign for the people behind that project. So I say that it is very important to read the whitepaper and digest everything first.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: budi691 on September 28, 2022, 01:44:51 AM
this whitepaper is very important for investors, how the project will run or we can't see from the whitepaper, but how the project will succeed if the whitepaper is the result of plagiarism, they just want to deceive investors,
and for now it's a bit hard to see real and fake WP because they all look the same


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Silberman on September 28, 2022, 02:59:34 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
I do think this is a red flag, now I get that similar projects may have similar white papers as the technology behind the coin is similar or even exactly the same, however if a project that is supposed to be serious and is asking for millions of dollars from their potential investors is not willing to take the time to write something as important as a white paper then this makes me wonder, in what other places they have decided to cut corners? And as such I will never invest in a project like that.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Cuda911 on September 28, 2022, 05:39:20 AM
There are many projects with crappy team members that just want to make money and do nothing, they are the type that enjoy stealing someone else work and rebranding to their own, it's a very bad act and such projects are considered a red flag if you detect any of these bad acts.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: bitzizzix on September 28, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
In the past, a whitepaper was a written thesis that was presented to academics for review and possibly publication.
But since the anonymous cryptographer published the bitcoin whitepaper, that all changed.
and now whitepapers are nothing more than a bunch of meaningless technobabbles, stuffed with as many keywords as possible, and usually new projects are mostly copy-pastes of other whitepapers or good whitepapers replaced with just a few words. And the goal is to give investors confidence in the project that the developer is really smart, so that they can't distinguish or judge that some of the content of the whitepaper is a copy.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: abel1337 on September 28, 2022, 01:34:14 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.
Idea is normally copied even outside crypto though having a copied whitepaper is a red flag for most of us knowing that the team don't put much effort in producing their plan and thinking about their utility. Most copied projects are just the improvement of the original one but they hardly beat the other one because of the way of the implementation and the way that the original team build their project. Original project ideas won't go down easily compared to those who are just copy cats.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TribalBob on September 28, 2022, 02:16:00 PM
I think the white paper is an initial proposal for a project so that investors can understand it, so if the white paper they provide results from a copy and paste from a previous project without any changes, we can say this project is an incorrect / scam project where introducing products by taking from the project other


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 28, 2022, 02:41:34 PM
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To answer your question, whitepaper is the brain of every single project so I think the contents of the whitepaper will show if the project has weakness.

Overall, I think that whitepaper is big deal still. I mean yes I don't invest into new projects anymore but even though a project has a very good whitepaper and it is a legitimate project, there is still a chance that it will scam those investors. I can't remember the last time that I read a whitepaper in full because I'm not into new projects anymore but more of top coins right now.

Whitepapers nowadays are being copied. Whenever you see a project that has same utility as other project then for me, it isn't worth it to read the whitepaper anymore. Well, we have different opinions and there might be some investors here who are still reading the whitepaper of a project whenever they are picking a project to invest their money with but for me, it isn't that important anymore.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: len01 on September 28, 2022, 04:49:08 PM
I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too
big project? what do you mean big project?
big projects will never do something like this by copying whitepapers or teams to add to their project lists. if that happens it's not a big project but rather it's a scam


if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?
have in common do not have to copy from other projects, it's not good if done it's like just deceiving investors for personal gain and only to get money after that just leave the project.
despite having similarities the team or CEO should be more creative in every way to make things look different from other projects.
and if it only has something in common after that copy everything from another project it's clearly something wrong and don't need to follow


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: |MINER| on September 28, 2022, 07:32:58 PM
I think the white paper is an initial proposal for a project so that investors can understand it, so if the white paper they provide results from a copy and paste from a previous project without any changes, we can say this project is an incorrect / scam project where introducing products by taking from the project other
Yes I am agreeing that, already many who has arrived in forum for scamming those was  get red tag for this coping reason. And this is what op means by weakness. I think to build a potential project I think this side is one of the most big fact . Where their goal, description about the blockchain technology . So this side can also be a weakness for invent planer.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: lalabotax on September 28, 2022, 09:54:52 PM
If a project copied another project's whitepaper, it should be a serious sign to stay away. It is very clear that the project has no professional teams, and they are not serious to run a project for a long time. Most of the cases of the copied whitepaper, end with scams. So, we can assume that the projects that copied other project's whitepaper, only target to gain instant money. When they already get enough money from fundraising, they will disappear.



Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: CuriousGeorge on September 28, 2022, 11:03:05 PM
as far that i know that whitepaper can show what the real purpose of the coin and of course this will make what the future coin will be is it good or not but i usually compare it with roadmap and their achievement
It's not showing the real purpose. Whitepaper can be changed anytime and the roadmap is still easy to be changed by the team. There are so many projects changed their roadmap that already mentioned in the whitepaper. Whitepaper is not viable anymore to be considered as a good indicator to know what will be the real purpose by the team and how team can achieve it. This must be removed as a good indicator to make sure people aware about this.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on September 28, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
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I mean newbies would not be able to still see the red flags of a copied WP just yet since they have not read so much WP that they do not even know if the project is a copypasta of an existing one.
I believe you're wrong with "because projects do the same thing too", since they would not be a so-called "big" if they were crap.
Small projects could copy bigger projects though for obvious reasons though can we blame them if they have little to no idea what they're doing with in crypto.

Try to avoid those projects that have copied WP. It is okay to make inspiration of another projects, but to hell make another copy out of an existing ones drives me nuts.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: nurilham on September 28, 2022, 11:53:30 PM
Yes I am agreeing that, already many who has arrived in forum for scamming those was  get red tag for this coping reason. And this is what op means by weakness. I think to build a potential project I think this side is one of the most big fact . Where their goal, description about the blockchain technology . So this side can also be a weakness for invent planer.
Plagiarism must have this. How can a team considered as a professional team if they are doing plagiarism on the Whitepaper? If I know about it, I will not put my money into the project, because they may be turning int scammers or projects that will be shit projects.

It may not be easy to determine which project that is actually very promising, because mostly, many scammers and also shit teams also have the ability to create a project on the whitepaper seem to like too good to be true. However if they support certain hypes, well, this may be very harmful to newbies.

But in this case, we don't need to only look and analyze a project based on their Whitepaper only. there must be certain other reasons why we decide to invest in certain projetc.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on September 29, 2022, 01:18:02 AM
At the bare minimum a new project should have an original whitepaper. If it is plagiarized then I would have no confidence in it being a legitimate project. There are even some websites where you can hire someone to write a whitepaper for you for very cheap. There really is no excuse for copying a whitepaper.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Nazmul012 on September 29, 2022, 11:25:49 PM
Plagiarism whitepaper can't be expected from professional them. Stealing others work, will never bear succesful for them. In Addition, i haven’t seen any big project yet that got succesful with having Plagiarism whitepaper. This kind of behaviour aren’t good sign for any project. Thats why its better to highlight those project and tag with red flag, so that others can be careful and not being cheated


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: dothebeats on September 29, 2022, 11:31:20 PM
Yes.

One can easily do a search and compare wordings on different whitepapers. Most of the time, whitepapers from new projects are just rehashed version of other whitepapers from other projects. They just change the words and technical terms but the style is mostly consistent all throughout the document. If the team can't create their own whitepaper outlining their project in every detail, I guess that should be an indicator for you to not invest your money on this project at all.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TelolettOm on September 29, 2022, 11:47:56 PM
Plagiarism whitepaper can't be expected from professional them. Stealing others work, will never bear succesful for them. In Addition, i haven’t seen any big project yet that got succesful with having Plagiarism whitepaper.
You are right, mate. If a project plagiarizes whitepaper, we can suspect they are scammers or have low-quality teams. It is enough reason to ignore the project, don't think to join the project because the project won't be successful. I also never saw a successful project that plagiarized a whitepaper, it never happened. There are already many projects now, better to choose a project that has no issue with a plagiarism whitepaper.



Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Silberman on October 01, 2022, 02:10:14 AM
Plagiarism whitepaper can't be expected from professional them. Stealing others work, will never bear succesful for them. In Addition, i haven’t seen any big project yet that got succesful with having Plagiarism whitepaper.
You are right, mate. If a project plagiarizes whitepaper, we can suspect they are scammers or have low-quality teams. It is enough reason to ignore the project, don't think to join the project because the project won't be successful. I also never saw a successful project that plagiarized a whitepaper, it never happened. There are already many projects now, better to choose a project that has no issue with a plagiarism whitepaper.


It is just common sense and yet some people do not get it, as an example will you accept the advice of a doctor which later was found out that he cheated his way through medical school? The answer should be no, as suddenly there is no guarantee that he posses the necessary knowledge to be able to help their patients while at the same time they do so without damaging their patients, so at least to me the very same logic should apply to those which plagiarize the white paper of other projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: JangoUnchained on October 01, 2022, 07:31:49 AM
I am not so into a whitepaper anymore, this is what newbies still do, me I will just look into a whitepaper to know what the team have in plan for the project or to understand the projects tokenomics but whitepaper will never be the reason why I pick or reject a project, there are other more factors to look into than whitepaper.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Wiwo on October 01, 2022, 09:48:20 PM
If the idea is copied, and it also happens that team members are copied, or fake photos are added to team photos, to which the organizers later explain that fake photos are for privacy, all this suggests that this is a scam. 
At the same time, copying, and even a partial change, speak only of the impending scam. It happened many times. To collect money from future investors, scammers do not disdain anything, add strangers to the team, and copy other people's ideas.
A copied whitepaper is a total turn off for any investor, I can't take any project that copy others whitepaper even if it just a portion of the whitepaper that is copied from other project is still a red flag. If a project can not take the time to right their own whitepaper then it shows that there is no seriousness in them and also show that team project is just a potential scam waiting to happen. Most of the altcoins projects are guilty of this copied whitepaper scam and that is why we have so much scam projects around the altcoin market today.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Oilacris on October 01, 2022, 09:56:06 PM
If the idea is copied, and it also happens that team members are copied, or fake photos are added to team photos, to which the organizers later explain that fake photos are for privacy, all this suggests that this is a scam. 
At the same time, copying, and even a partial change, speak only of the impending scam. It happened many times. To collect money from future investors, scammers do not disdain anything, add strangers to the team, and copy other people's ideas.
A copied whitepaper is a total turn off for any investor, I can't take any project that copy others whitepaper even if it just a portion of the whitepaper that is copied from other project is still a red flag. If a project can not take the time to right their own whitepaper then it shows that there is no seriousness in them and also show that team project is just a potential scam waiting to happen. Most of the altcoins projects are guilty of this copied whitepaper scam and that is why we have so much scam projects around the altcoin market today.
Due to lots of projects in the market then there's no way on whose project or the origin of the said whitepaper which is something a very tough challenge if you do really tend to trace up its origin and find

the original ones.We know that there are lots or most of project creators would just simply copy out someones projects Whitepaper which is really that shit, there's no originality.

Its really hard to tell which one to believe yet everything almost identical.There might be some alterations or changes made up but it would be that
obvious that they are just copying into each other.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: decodx on October 01, 2022, 10:33:38 PM
Sometimes there are some crypto projects that have almost the same white paper as other projects or in other words, they partially copy it from the previous project. And it turned out that unexpectedly, the project was actually a success in the market. The success of the project is not due to the white paper it has, but depends on the team and the goals of the project.

I have never come across a project with a plagiarized whitepaper that was ultimately successful. Can you give us an example of such a project?
I mean, if the team wasn't competent enough of writing their own whitepaper, what are they really capable of anyway?


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: capedbaldy on October 01, 2022, 10:45:40 PM
I have never come across a project with a plagiarized whitepaper that was ultimately successful. Can you give us an example of such a project?
I mean, if the team wasn't competent enough of writing their own whitepaper, what are they really capable of anyway?
Actually not projects with plagiarized whitepapers can be categorized as successful projects but one of them many projects may be lucky to experience high price increases due to the effect of fomo news to influence the community, so the category of successful projects for long term development and currently no successful projects / top projects copying whitepapers are found from other projects or other sources without mentioning the source.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: meser# on October 01, 2022, 11:03:31 PM
Yes i think it shows their weakness or their quality. If there is any copied part i wouldnt waste my time to on it. And if team make revision or update on their whitepaper i consider them worth to examine. I said that because in my opinion they are trying to be transparent on their job. If so that, they are worth to follow. With this attidude my failure rate is so low.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Yamifoud on October 01, 2022, 11:21:29 PM
Well OP, not totally the basis to say if that project or that whitepaper itself is the basis to say it was a scam project but if we can find out that is was a copy from other projects, it is pretty obvious that was a scam. But why there are so many people into scam projects? And that is because we all not bothered to read each whitepaper of all projects, that is why we don't know if that is a copy or not, or if there is a part of it that wasn't easy to remember.

It was not a weakness of the project but this serves us a hint that this project can't be trusted nor is worth trying for this is an indication of a questionable project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: harizen on October 01, 2022, 11:27:12 PM

Since the creation of this thread, OP is still not mentioning those big projects that somehow copied a whitepaper.

The fact that OP used the word "big projects", should be supposed to be popular by now or successful on their run.

Still waiting for those sample big projects that did this copied whitepaper scheme.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TastyChillySauce00 on October 01, 2022, 11:35:47 PM
At the bare minimum a new project should have an original whitepaper. If it is plagiarized then I would have no confidence in it being a legitimate project. There are even some websites where you can hire someone to write a whitepaper for you for very cheap. There really is no excuse for copying a whitepaper.
A project that used plagiarized whitepaper was a scam project and it doesn't matter how excuse already made by the team. So many scammers are not creative in creating the whitepaper. that's why they were trying to take or hire someone from internet to create whitepaper for them. The only problem is those scammers didn't even aware if someone who already hired by them were doing copy paste with the whitepaper that will be used by scammers lol


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: chaser15 on October 01, 2022, 11:55:29 PM
It should be common sense, a project copying a whitepaper shows not capable of running a project.

A whitepaper should be its own work. If they will copy a whitepaper, that's a red flag.

If that simple thing can't properly execute, how more the future of the project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Outhue on October 02, 2022, 06:09:56 AM
Most times a project Whitepaper revealed it all, either good or not good enough or even a scam project you can find it all in the whitepaper but I have seen very few projects that later work on the whitepaper, or let me say upgrade their whitepaper and they are doing fine since then.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Slow death on October 02, 2022, 06:28:30 AM
this is an issue that people need to start not to ignore the fact that a whitepaper should not be copied, even if there are some parts it should not be copied, we have to ask ourselves the following:

There were 1 and 2 world wars. right? and how many books are there in the world about world war? There are thousands of books, but each historian went to the field to do research, he sought to know the version of a survivor and told this story in the book, the historian cannot copy someone else's book and sell it.

with altcoins it should be the same thing, the person must sit down and create their project and after creating that project the person explains everything in detail in the whitepaper, no need to copy from other people. now when the person copies, then that person did not sit down to research the project, the idea is not his, with that it is clear that we are facing a scam project. in the past a guy who plagiarized whitepaper said like this: "I copied some stuff from the altcoin Z whitepaper because I'm forking this altcoin so no problem", I told him I had a problem because he was forking because he wanted to improve something that altcin and his altcoin was new altcoin and he had to have his own ideas and put that in the whitepaper


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: panjay on October 02, 2022, 08:03:32 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

well if it's a plain copy paste it's bad then..

imagine raising a project and in the process, people know your project just copy paste some shit, and you will lose trust in people who support the project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Jeger.Kiting on October 02, 2022, 11:12:31 AM
For things like this, there are indeed many projects that use white paper only to be copied in a few sentences, the vision and mission is the same, it looks like a fraudulent project. Especially now that we are in a bear market condition, many people are competing to make projects by copying white papers and correcting and then replacing some data that they think is important for making projects. If you look at the project with the white paper copy, this is clearly a scam project they just want to take advantage of a damn project like this and it will definitely not make this project a success in the future. So basically if you really see it better go and leave or you can do something to let everyone know this project is a scam and don't forget to provide any important evidence you saw in the project.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: pawanjain on October 02, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

Ofcourse yes. The potential projects will definitely work hard to make their whitepaper define the actual potential of their project.
They would want the people to understand what they are making and they will want people to support them.
If a project is having a whitepaper which is matching with other projects then it is mostly a scam project.
Besides that, if there isn't anything new to bring to the table why would people invest in that project anyway.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: posi on October 02, 2022, 01:11:19 PM
At the bare minimum a new project should have an original whitepaper. If it is plagiarized then I would have no confidence in it being a legitimate project. There are even some websites where you can hire someone to write a whitepaper for you for very cheap. There really is no excuse for copying a whitepaper.
A project that used plagiarized whitepaper was a scam project and it doesn't matter how excuse already made by the team. So many scammers are not creative in creating the whitepaper. that's why they were trying to take or hire someone from internet to create whitepaper for them. The only problem is those scammers didn't even aware if someone who already hired by them were doing copy paste with the whitepaper that will be used by scammers lol

There would be no excuses to listen to in this situation, if they were really serious about developing a project, they wouldn't need to go for plagiarism. Build projects from the ideas that come to their mind so they are fully qualified to create something unique and create their own personality. Once they copy, plagiarism shows they don't have any idea or plan for any project they are just trying to scam people.

Scammers often don't want to think much, just go and steal ideas and say it's theirs to scam. In short, once you come across projects like this, you should stay away from it and give warnings to the community to remove it as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: tvplus006 on October 02, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
A project that used plagiarized whitepaper was a scam project and it doesn't matter how excuse already made by the team. So many scammers are not creative in creating the whitepaper. that's why they were trying to take or hire someone from internet to create whitepaper for them. The only problem is those scammers didn't even aware if someone who already hired by them were doing copy paste with the whitepaper that will be used by scammers lol

If a project is created with the sole purpose of raising money from gullible investors, then the organizers try to minimize their costs. In this case, as a rule, a free domain is registered, from which the design is copied, and a whitepaper copied from another project is also presented.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: serjent05 on October 02, 2022, 10:02:09 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects?

Definitely, that is a red flag.  It only shows how scum the developer is.  Plagiarising other's whitepaper is a serious crime and is considered theft.

I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?



It does matter, ever seen a project being busted when their whitepaper is discovered plagiarized?  We have several of them on the reputation/scam accusation board.  Those project that got caught with plagiarized whitepaper often ends up badly due to the members review in this forum.

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

It is simple, stay away from projects that has red flags.  and if ever you find out one, you can point that out and announce it in this forum to get support from the member in busting these kinds of scam projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: RealMalatesta on October 03, 2022, 10:21:31 AM
this is an issue that people need to start not to ignore the fact that a whitepaper should not be copied, even if there are some parts it should not be copied, we have to ask ourselves the following:

There were 1 and 2 world wars. right? and how many books are there in the world about world war? There are thousands of books, but each historian went to the field to do research, he sought to know the version of a survivor and told this story in the book, the historian cannot copy someone else's book and sell it.

with altcoins it should be the same thing, the person must sit down and create their project and after creating that project the person explains everything in detail in the whitepaper, no need to copy from other people. now when the person copies, then that person did not sit down to research the project, the idea is not his, with that it is clear that we are facing a scam project.
Unfortunately that is not the case for 99.99% of the projects. I have seen too many people with basically the same exact token and they just didn't do enough improvements on it and then say go with utility instead, create literally the same token and use it in a different name and then add a utility is not the way to go.

Original works are no longer available in crypto, there are a few, but they are unique and rare which means that it is really hard to find them and even when you do, they may not have the funding to keep going and they may fail. This is why I believe that it is going to be a lot better for everyone involved if we could end up with a better return with the coins we already know at the top.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Lagduf on October 03, 2022, 10:24:44 AM
White paper to me is just a copy pastes writing or a written words that disclose more about a project and we should not be mislead by what we see. Many of the rug pull projects I have seen had interesting white paper that are very convincing enough to capture investors mind making them lose huge funds because of what they read and promises about the project.
that's not more than a way for the developers to telling the story about the imagination to develop the project. I rarely seen projects that fully following the roadmap. They were always taking the opposite decision. The fact that if so many times people have aware if dev change their roadmap at the middle of development progress. WP is just BS from the team right now. Im only interested to read it caused by tokenomic and no more


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Natalim on October 03, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
in the whitepaper, it is clear how the development of their project in the future. in the whitepaper, their vision and mission must be clear. In addition, you need to clearly see that the whitepaper follows what project, if it is a large project, it might be useful and develop in the future, but they need to differentiate with more advanced project development. however, if it's a whitepaper from a failed project, then it's best to stay away from it.
After all, Whitepaper is the thing they will do in the project. if they really don't really care about their project, then they will show weakness in the whitepaper.
Not really the thing I consider when choosing the project because there are a lot of things that we need to see. In fact, a whitepaper can be full of lies, you can't just simply think that it will be followed, not even the roadmap. This is not actually the basis to tell the weakness and strength of the project but rather rely on the output of their developments. Because it was useless to see and read such a promising whitepaper but lack of executions as it will still end nothing.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Ayers on October 03, 2022, 12:20:03 PM
as you say it's a big project, meaning serious and methodical investment projects to prepare for a long working process, why can't they create a whitepaper of their own? but have to go copy someone else's. their very actions tell you that they wanted to scam you in the first place, because those things are not theirs but they claim to be theirs

such type of project is not worth considering let alone investing in it. don't believe any excuses from scammers, they are just trying to trick you and have no better intentions

in the whitepaper, it is clear how the development of their project in the future. in the whitepaper, their vision and mission must be clear. In addition, you need to clearly see that the whitepaper follows what project, if it is a large project, it might be useful and develop in the future, but they need to differentiate with more advanced project development. however, if it's a whitepaper from a failed project, then it's best to stay away from it.
After all, Whitepaper is the thing they will do in the project. if they really don't really care about their project, then they will show weakness in the whitepaper.
what you said about the whitepaper is true even though they are incomplete but it looks like you are just reading the title of the article and not the content of the OP's article


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Victorik on October 03, 2022, 06:15:17 PM
Projects with copied whitepaper is already a red flag for me. If a team is truly serious about their project, they will take out time to come out with their own whitepaper even if they have similar ideas.

Some just go ahead and copy other projects whitepaper verbatim and only change the name of the project. That's bad and a sign that the team has dubious tendencies.

In academics, we oftentimes use previous literature for our personal work, but then, make sure you give credit to the original author, hence you get fined for plagiarism.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Silberman on October 05, 2022, 01:37:35 AM
I think what matters most is the technical and implementation of the project, they could be very well using the same generic templates like any other but if they couldn't be comprehensive in the technical then it seems that's red flag and their project could be just a scam.
While it is true that at the end the only thing that matters is the execution of the project, at the same time this is not something we can ignore, since if they plagiarize the white paper from another project then how likely do you think it is that those developers will actually work hard to make their promises and their vision a reality? And to me this is not very likely at all, and as such people need to avoid a project which does something like this.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: deathcode on October 05, 2022, 03:56:35 AM
I think what matters most is the technical and implementation of the project, they could be very well using the same generic templates like any other but if they couldn't be comprehensive in the technical then it seems that's red flag and their project could be just a scam.
what you say is true, but it might be difficult to analyze the technical and implementation of a new project. maybe it will be good to apply to projects that have been running for a long time in the market. of course when they already have a trade.

Unfortunately, there are still many new projects that even copy whitepapers from other projects. That's what makes it difficult for investors to believe in new projects.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: libert19 on October 05, 2022, 04:11:13 AM
Imo, most projects don't even follow wp anyway, they just do their own thing or worse project gets abandoned.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: JustEducated on October 05, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

I don't believe in project that uses Plagarised whitepaper.
Most of the times they end up only scamming investors money. It's rare to see a project which uses Plagarised contents.

If the project isn't original then I see no reason to participate or take part in it.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Wiwo on October 07, 2022, 02:06:00 PM
If the idea is copied, and it also happens that team members are copied, or fake photos are added to team photos, to which the organizers later explain that fake photos are for privacy, all this suggests that this is a scam. 
At the same time, copying, and even a partial change, speak only of the impending scam. It happened many times. To collect money from future investors, scammers do not disdain anything, add strangers to the team, and copy other people's ideas.
A copied whitepaper is a total turn off for any investor, I can't take any project that copy others whitepaper even if it just a portion of the whitepaper that is copied from other project is still a red flag. If a project can not take the time to right their own whitepaper then it shows that there is no seriousness in them and also show that team project is just a potential scam waiting to happen. Most of the altcoins projects are guilty of this copied whitepaper scam and that is why we have so much scam projects around the altcoin market today.
Due to lots of projects in the market then there's no way on whose project or the origin of the said whitepaper which is something a very tough challenge if you do really tend to trace up its origin and find

the original ones.We know that there are lots or most of project creators would just simply copy out someones projects Whitepaper which is really that shit, there's no originality.

Its really hard to tell which one to believe yet everything almost identical.There might be some alterations or changes made up but it would be that
obvious that they are just copying into each other.
We have hard some issues as regards plagiarized whitepaper and the projects were tagged appropriately because that is a clear violation of some terms in this space, there is no thought fact that some other projects steal whitepaper from already established projects just to ride on those project credibility but then it won't be long before this too will be discovered, we have some sites were one can easily put a whitepaper into plagiarism test and if the whitepaper is copied from any such it will be dictated. So obviously there is no free market for scums who don't want to put in the hard work to develop their whitepaper.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: evichi on October 07, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
IMO, it is not absolute that copied or partly copied website of a project is a scam, however, it is an indicator that can make us to raise eye brows and become more suspicious and at alert. Basically, in my observation, most scammers want to act fast and are impatient, so they are not likely to exercise patience to make a proper preparation of documents like whitepaper, so there are chances of copying/plagiarizing.
The whitepaper can be an indicator of how viable a project can be and presents opportunity for constructive criticism. It s an important tool to access a project and can indicate the intention of a project when viewed objectively.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: JahriMeayer on October 08, 2022, 08:31:21 PM
whitepaper of any project reefers, it contains pros & cons, all information regarding that project. If two project have same idea and goal, then let them explain them with their own words. How could anyone trust a project who refuse to write their own whitepaper while they have long to go! If they represent themselves as weak, lazy, unprofessional team, then that sign of scammer. So better avoid them


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Tony116 on October 08, 2022, 10:02:50 PM
imitating the layout or basic whitepaper in my opinion is okay because all whitepapers are on average the same in the same order as whitepaper. what distinguishes them is how the content in the whitepaper, this should not be plagiarized, they must be purely written based on their own project.
yeah but this will be only coming from a legit project with real developers behind it. There are bunch of services that offering whitepaper writing but these services are also shady as fuck caused by they were copying content that already published or created by the real developers who have been writting it. I will never ever trust whitepaper until it comes from the legit developers based from my DYOR

This is new to me, I have never heard of whitepaper offering service. If you are really serious about developing a project, why hire someone else to write the whitepaper when the idea was created by us, not someone? Although to evaluate a project we need to consider many factors such as project team, idea, invested VCs...but I think the project has a good idea, no matter how potential it is, but if even the whitepaper can't create it's own then it's really not worth trusting such people. We have hundreds of new projects every day so I will choose to ignore the projects that are not clear, intend to scam in the first place.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: serjent05 on October 08, 2022, 10:10:50 PM
imitating the layout or basic whitepaper in my opinion is okay because all whitepapers are on average the same in the same order as whitepaper. what distinguishes them is how the content in the whitepaper, this should not be plagiarized, they must be purely written based on their own project.

Imitation is in no way an ok subject.  It is stealing someone's idea, design, or art.  What it is there to imitate on the layout when the layout is a simple task to do.  If a project cannot create its own layout then what more on the more complicated matter?

whitepaper of any project reefers, it contains pros & cons, all information regarding that project. If two project have same idea and goal, then let them explain them with their own words. How could anyone trust a project who refuse to write their own whitepaper while they have long to go! If they represent themselves as weak, lazy, unprofessional team, then that sign of scammer. So better avoid them

Whitepaper isn't a review thing.  It contains not the pros and cons but rather the detail on how the project will proceed.  It contains a road map, definition, idea, the problem it will tackle, the innovation, the team, the glossary, and many more.

IMO, it is not absolute that copied or partly copied website of a project is a scam, however, it is an indicator that can make us to raise eye brows and become more suspicious and at alert. Basically, in my observation, most scammers want to act fast and are impatient, so they are not likely to exercise patience to make a proper preparation of documents like whitepaper, so there are chances of copying/plagiarizing.
The whitepaper can be an indicator of how viable a project can be and presents opportunity for constructive criticism. It s an important tool to access a project and can indicate the intention of a project when viewed objectively.

Isn't it already scamming when they plagiarized the content of their whitepaper?  They already stole the idea of the original writer and selling it to the investors.  Isn't selling other idea without the person's content already a fraud?


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: LastKiss on October 09, 2022, 01:54:59 AM
For newbies is a copied whitepaper still a red flag for projects? I heard they don't matter much anymore because big projects do the same thing too, if two projects have the same goals or utility one can copy the other, change some few words here and there?

What advice can you give me based on this? Is it right to say, yo any project that has a whitepaper that looks like another project is a scam or  bad for investment.

At least they are serious when they decide to make a new project, a project that has a similar whitepaper and a similar website indicates they only want investor money without any real effort for their project, if they lazy make the unique one then they will lazy to continue developing their project. I stay away from a project like that moreover if I want to invest there.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: Punakawan on October 09, 2022, 07:15:42 AM
I can say that, in my opinion Whitepaper is the first thing that investors will see, a good project is certainly very concerned about Whitepaper, the first impression when seeing Whitepaper is not professional so investors will be difficult to believe and invest.


Title: Re: Can whitepaper still shows the weakness of a project and their team
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 13, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
I can say that, in my opinion Whitepaper is the first thing that investors will see, a good project is certainly very concerned about Whitepaper, the first impression when seeing Whitepaper is not professional so investors will be difficult to believe and invest.
This is why most projects will attempt to fake their whitepapers in whatever way possible instead of trying to make it weak, then over time they will gradually reveal their weaknesses but by then every enthusiastic investor would already have invested enough to not pull out early. Therefore a lot of disappointment follows up such investments.

Truely every project that tries to copy a mainstream business but the only difference being the use of crypto, ends up not being able to sustain the project and therefore a lost in the depths project.

Moreover if the whitepaper is copied, then it is an immediate sign of a scam. Majority of the above mentioned cases are scams and they are only trying to keep their backs covered by being a weasel.