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When i started gambling in 2014 the crypto casinos was divided by On-Chain and Off-Chain, and the difference was big:

On-Chain:
This was a betting engine where users place bets by sending bitcoin or other coins to the betting address, this kind of casinos didn't need users or accounts to let people gamble:

*Your bet was placed with a transaction.
*The profit was received on the betting address.
*Users had to wait for 1 confirmation to avoid double spends.

Off-Chain:
This are the kind of casinos we see nowadays, where you make a deposit and you can withdraw, but you need an account.

The On-Chain games are not longer available, and for the Off-Chain now the rules has changed. So, it would be nice to have a new ways to catalog the new casinos. Some ideas i have are:

*High Rollers Casinos.
Those casinos who allow users to make withdrawals bigger than 10BTC.

*No License Casinos casinos.
Those casinos that has been operating for years but without a license.

*Traps casinos.
This are those casinos who offer big deposit bonus but in their TOS they only allow small amounts on the withdrawals each month.

which category would you add?

Onchain would been preferred most but it also has its own disadvantage, from your explanation your deposit address must be the withdrawal address and if it happened you don't want to send back your withdrawal to that same address, does it mean your withdrawal might declined?

Then on offchain, we know these are account which might likely required kyc to withdraw a bigger amount and most users who gambles are afraid of releasing their personal information to such sites more especially those who wants to make deposit of BTC in large volume does not want to undergo lot of kyc process for security.

Thought they all have their benefits and both are really essential in terms of comparism.

KYC Casino:
Casino which have mandatory KYC on their TOS, even the gamblers can deposit, play and withdraw without need to complete KYC for many years, but the casino has a right to ask KYC on anytime.

No KYC Casino:
Casino without KYC rule on their TOS, this mean the casino wouldn't ever ask KYC even though you've break many rules on their TOS. Usually No KYC Casino will terminated or closed the fraudster account.

If talking about KYC, and you are referring to online casinos, which means centralized casinos, we should not fool ourselves. You can go to the no KYC casinos and read their ToS to know what I am talking about. They will still indicate that they can require any of their users to to KYC at any time. Also no KYC casinos can just one day make KYC mandatory.

Oh, I liked the on-chain casinos when it was still a thing. I remember playing in Direct Bet, if anybody remembers it As well. I have placed multiple beds there, and I also managed to win some. It was straightforward and at that time, it’s direct to your wallet with your winnings. I’m not sure why it’s closed, though. Was it because of licensing or something? If anybody remembers

I remember a lot of them being labelled scams (especially provably fair ones that relied on server timestamps as part of their provably fair system) or because it relied too heavily on being instant, autonomous and accurate which is quite hard to achieve all at once.

Perhaps some also gave way to casinos that can now function on the lightning network instead of on chain. Some casinos also offered zero confirmation deposits which might've caused the death of some of these too (providing an rbf flag was added - I don't know if they're still a thing either).

True, this was the main problem for that kind of casinos, most of them allow users to place bets without confirmations, and that ended with a double spend attack making those sites loose tons of coins.

In the end those sites didn't have more option than make users wait 1 confirmation for their bets, but the problem comes when users pay low fees and their transactions get stuck waiting for multiple blocks. i see some users waiting up to 6 hours and more for one bet. That wasn't cool at all.

Hybrid casinos?  ;D

Accepting Both fiat and crypto payments or options for gamblers on whatever they do prefer on using up.Both options are available.
Also hybrid means, integrating Sportsbook and casinos is also available on the said platforms.

Dont know if this one fits on that category but this is what i do commonly see nowadays.

Profit Shared Casinos

A few casinos have released their own token and those token holders get a portion of the casino's profits. I guess casinos that also offer bankroll investments fall in this category since it's the same thing but instead of having tokens, you risk your own money and it'll be used as a bankroll by the casino.


I'd say that's a good addition since not all crypto casinos stick to crypto payments and we even see other crypto casinos accept skins(in-game items).

It's what had been conceptualized to be decentralized in the past. It should be possible for it to still be a "Thing" because of LN. Sadly no one is launching this kind of casino. The secondstrade was the best that I have played in the past where we could instantly get the amount upon winning.

With regulations, there is offchain. Off-chain is where the possibility that we can't withdraw our coins when a casino looks at your account.

Include there the decentralized casinos, where the entire operation of the casino can be carried out by a smart contract, from the handling of payments, generation of random numbers, bonuses, and others. The advantage is that this method reduces the transaction cost, increasing the security and integrity of the casino.
Eliminating the middleman for processing payments and likes also makes it possible for the player and casino to interact without having to provide any information other than the wallet address.... Goodbye KYC

Yes, I think one of the reasons why they stopped with the on-chain betting was the increase in the unnecessary congestion on the Blockchain and the higher fees that it generated as a result of this congestion. (That was with the original Bitcoin ... but I think it will work better with side-chains like the Lightning Network)

I will suggest that you add a category for sites that have only Casino games and one with a added Sports betting side. That way, people do not have to signup for all the casinos, if they want Sports betting Crypto casinos too.  ???

I was literally thinking about it before I saw your reply. I would like to add here that Hybrid casinos are those which will have KYC and licenses as they were the first fiat-based casinos and slowly integrated crypto into their payment and it all started in 2012 with Bitcoin being the first accepted as payment.

That's KYC casinos, not NO KYC casinos since you can still find a rule about KYC on their TOS.

This is the reason why you shouldn't gamble on untrustworthy casinos because they will do shady thing when there's a lucky gambler hit the jackpot.

If you worried if one day the casino make KYC mandatory rule, this is why you should leave your coins on casinos, similar like you shouldn't leave it on centralized exchanges. Send, gamble and withdraw at the same day.

Reading through the topic, my observation is that there has been an evolution in the casino sector, and it must have been necessitated by some events which I predict where not all good. I guess maybe the On chain was taken advantage of by individuals or maybe it wasn't so profitable for the casino's hence the change. Regardless, it is a good thing that the casino business is where it is today, and from your cataloging, even though I cannot really contribute to it, I would say it is worth the category a casino falls under before use.

In my opinion On-Chain this is the category of casino that is most profitable for gamblers that should still exist today, but unfortunately it is not. I remember the fees of withdraw is free because it will be paid by casino, instant withdraw if win was a good point that almost all gamblers were looking for in those days. For now, the category most looking for by middle-lower gamblers is bonuses, the more bonuses and competition events etc, the more popular regardless of KYC or not.

What about Bullcrap casino?

Casino that is known scammer but still freely operating and have a daily customer being scammed. They can still use the forum for marketing despite they are already proven scammer with a lot of proof available and with ruined reputation/ active flag. This kind of casino has thick skin to ignored all valid scam complain and operate as normal business day.  :D

In the end, the casino wants to know which of their members prefers to use bitcoin/crypto over fiat to gamble. Currently, crypto casinos also require their users to do KYC. Although it has not been fully implemented but it is possible in the future, this will be implemented for all members.

And now licensed crypto casinos are more trusted by their members because if members have a problem, they can report it to regulators. But I don't know because we see that there are still cases going on.

Dividend-based casinos like Betfury, Chips, TrustDice, Starsbet, and Owl. I guess there are others, but I don't know about similar casinos outside the forum, to be honest, I didn't bother to search much because I think the ones active here on the forum are enough. Definitely, there is something interesting and unique about dividend-based casinos that can make a difference when people choose where to play!

I like the Hybrid casinos concept, i don't know if we can deposit fiat and withdraw crypto with them, but if it's possible that would be a great feature.


I like this term, and we have seen some of this casinos in the past. And day by day we see more of this. That's why i call the trap casinos, because didn't want to use hard words for them but in the end the right term could be "Full of Bullshit casinos"  ;D

they are still among the offchain which we do deposit. but they are claiming decentralized casinos, i guess this is one of a classification which they have tokens for dividends. no very different to others but we can bet by connecting metamask.

The Predatory KYC casinos I've seen will wait till the user hits a large withdrawal and then force KYC. Some of the shady casinos, now defunct, went down this path and would happily allow users to deposit funds and lose them without ever requesting verification. If the player won, they wouldn't honor the withdrawal.

I generally only categorize casino's legitimacy by allowing anonymous withdrawals. If there is a clear limit that's established before a player deposit before KYC is enforced, I'm okay with that too as long as the player is made aware.

you need to check their terms when it comes to withdrawal. because most casinos that i've seen, you can withdraw with the same coin you deposited. but for sure, there are casinos which are accepting fiat and you can withdraw crypto. mostly, you can have this service from these casinos which have their own internal exchange as i created a thread about this -

 Gambling sites with internal exchange  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282289)

need to update the list though as there are some new casinos that may have internal exchange and other changes with those listed casinos/bookies. also, do take note that some of them have minimum amount before you can exchange it to other alts.[/list]

Responsible casino?

Many casinos still don’t have this kind of option, they didn’t care if their players will experience some problem handling their finances as long as they continue to gamble the site will still allow them. This might be one of a good category to look for, especially if you see yourself to become more addict so you might want to play on a more responsible casinos that can give you a lot of option to help you with your gambling addiction.

They have a link for responsible gambling and also have the self exclusion implementation. 


Though they have the reminders and links needed for people who wanted to know about responsible gambling, I think casino isn't aggressive on implementing this.  They just let the player decides their gambling course which is reasonable enough since players are tagged as mature enough being an adult to manage themselves. 

Can we consider Directbet as an on-chain crypto casino? For those who are not aware, Directbet was once a popular bookie here because of its no-account registration feature and winnings will be received right away at user's betting address automatically,

You are right that casinos like that are no longer exist and I doubt if a new one started, it's hard to trust those nowadays aside from the fact that crypto gambling sites are now turning slowly into regulated bookies.

I guess more likely is those casino does allowing their users to make a deposit because of the bonuses and after you are winning a large amount of profit they will not allowing you to make a withdrawal unless you will process their ID verification of KYC so you can withdraw and at the same time is not getting anonymous as would you like.

On Chain casino had easy way to scam people.Because after sending money,if the website is scam one.It’s full chance of playing peoples.Now 7/10 gambling sites are scam one,So it’s essential one to check background about the project.Now,we are using Off Chain Casino,where we can deposit and withdraw.The On chain casino was complicated to the current situation.The big whales use to play the High Roller casino,because they had huge amounts of bitcoin from 2014.Many casino was the No license one,they easy to scam like a On Chain casino.The legal scam casino is traps casino,it allow only to withdraw less amount.Now huge website with good feedback is their for Crypto casino.Many real casino was closed by the regulations activities by the government in many of the countries in the world.

I think this one is valid. It's true that some casinos are like this and the number of them is growing continuously because cryptocurrency and online gambling are now being known in this era. Pretty interesting how crypto casinos evolved. From the very basic one and now they are starting to be more complex but they need this kind of innovation. It's for them to be more successful.

Speaking about the hybrid payment methods, many fiat based casinos and sportsbetting sites are also venturing into cryptos. They are now supporting bitcoin and few altcoin. It's nice that they are also welcoming us crypto users to try their platforms.

The qualities of the on chain gambling is what new gamblers are looking for. If only they knew that there are such thing as that on the past but it's unfortunate that they come to an end. The saying is really true that all good things must come to an end. What we have now are the off chain gambling and this is the opposite of on chain gambling but despite of this, many gamblers are still playing on them.

Maybe they don't have a choice and maybe they started to like it over time because there might be features in an off chain casinos that didn't exist on an on chain casinos. When it comes to categorizations, we have review sites that differentiate them. Each ann threads here do also highlight if which type of casino they are.

I think I've seen an onchain type and that's a lottery. Since there could be something to add, then the latest could be in the form of web3.

We're starting to see some casinos that apply it and they have that option to connect, web3. But they're not living the typical off chain type of gambling because it's still the most preferred these days.

Some of us may be open with new tech and adoption but some will prefer to stay using as is and the current system.