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Hello, I'm organizing a billion-dollar class action lawsuit against Telegram and the Founder and CEO Pavel Durov for not deleting "Pump and Dump"-Groups despite repeated requests. This is aid to market manipulation. I'm looking for people who have suffered damage as a result.

"All social media has this kind of group" is a strange justification. You think because everyone is doing it, is it legal? If no one does anything and everyone thinks like you, nothing will change. And "Just do your part to report all the groups to moderators"? Did you read my text? "... despite repeated requests.". And yes, I'm going to fund the attorneys fee personally. Since Pavel Durov is often in Berlin, I can also file the lawsuit here in Germany. In this case, the costs are small. And I've already found a lawyer to take the case.

You have asked yourself this, why do we, who have never lost money from such signal groups? while you are being the victim of such cheap scams. Is it because you are too greedy? don't want to work but still want money, or do you want to get rich quickly?... you should read all the rules when using any app or social network. Don't try to blame others when it's your own fault.
I think you should sue apple, google and microsoft for licensing telegram to work on their platform. Without the permission of these tech companies, the telegram would not appear anywhere. LOL

You should not only read the text, but also understand it before you answer. I was never part of this group. But after a pump, prices fall below pre-pump levels, and you, the obvious layman, should understand that. Furthermore, it doesn't say that I've made a personal loss (I haven't either.), but that I'm organizing the lawsuit. I also wonder how you know how much I work. But to reassure you, I don't have to work anymore thanks to cryptocurrencies.

The problem was guy like you believe on this pump and dump group that’s why they are still existing keeps multiplying. Telegram is a free to use social and it doesn’t promote scam. They will obviously delete or mark them as scam if the group is reported and proven. Blaming them for the loss that people themselves did was a lame excuse to justify poor judgement and wrong decisions on participating to groups like this.

bunch of internet trolls yelling what shitcoin to buy and sell is against the law now?

u can try if u have a lot of free time and money but it won't make a difference.

I think it would be more useful to start a class-action lawsuit for Telegram not deleting the accounts of known scammers.

No, I haven't suffered any damage from pump & dumps, because I was never a victim of one. I was fortunate enough to stay out of that stuff in the first place.

For not deleting the pump and dump groups?

Not saying that it's legal. There may have many victims but if they joined the group, they are classified as willing victims. They know the risk but they are willing to bet to make money if there are few who are just right there to invest for long term, they are really lost somewhere in the desert.

If you can provide pieces of evidence where you can link the accounts, it may just be sensible. Many would have done this long before you, especially the victims who lost entire savings or those who actually borrowed money in order to invest.

Which of my words did you fail at? I said I DIDN'T TAKE PART, I just have something against these groups and that's why I want to get rid of them.

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It's not about the people in the groups, it's their own fault. It's about the damage a currency takes after the pump. And that affects the people who previously bought these currencies without prior consultation in groups.

You can have a good course or reason that telegram is allowing pump and dump accounts exist but your reason can only find some base or support only on morality but not in legal way because those account are only advising "greedy" people come for the kill but the revise happen as they are killed financially by losing where they are hoping to gain. I don't think investors get forced to put in money into a coin. When you are asked to buy, you can choose to or not.

Why belonging to such group in the first question? Someone that is looking to get rich quick is greedy and a greedy person can take what is not their own. Realise that while trying to get what is not rightfully your own then you can be hooked.

Telegram not the only social media that having call group or followers, tweeter, Facebook, YouTube, Reddit have some account that are followed for investment. Your legal chase can be stopped on the road for no justification, losers are not force to but they decide to belong to such group and not want to leave.


A shit is a shit. If you have something against the groups what about developers of shit coins that give open opportunity for the pump and dump of the project. If they have good coin pumping is difficult. How much do you need to pump bitcoin and how much do you need to pump a low value shit coin, so you can see the difference.

I don't doubt that there are tens of thousands of such people all over the world, but even if some of them read your message, few would decide to go public and admit that someone deceived them in such a naive way. In addition, it would be good to read all those fine letters written by the army of lawyers paid by this Russian billionaire before starting any kind of battle with him.

I know that Telegram is a paradise for scammers, but all those gullible users are also to blame for what happens to them - and if Telegram manages to delete all such groups and block their owners, they would find another platform.

So I think you should also file a lawsuit against Messenger, What's app, Viber and other messaging apps that those pump and dump groups are using. Those messaging apps also don't make a single move against these scam groups, at least telegram is giving warning to people about groups. Messaging apps isn't promoting scams it's just that they are one of the tools that the scammers use and conveniently, Telegram is one of the most favorable for scammers which I think telegram is not the one to blame on.

Op should be ready to file more law case because this fight should be for all social media. Apart from pump and dump, social media is the means that people are getting scammed from scam email that when you click it takes you to the scammer site. People drop link everywhere that you get into trouble after you click. I think he should put effort to orientate people that nothing is free and being careful not to involve in things you don't labour for. Falling for those pump and dump is not the fault of the group but people falling for it.

Every social media have this type of group or channel and I never study the Tos of Telegram nor did I think they have one that's against the pump and dump.
Although Telegram was said to register as a company under the British Virgin Islands and as LLC in Dubai but is hard to sue a company owned by the person that was said to moving from country to country. Besides, I believe the company never had an office or any form of legal entity.

You can report those channel/groups on  abuse@telegram.org or dmca@telegram.org instead of the lawsuit.

Many social media platforms have that kinds of groups, channels, and pages. People have the freedom and privilege to create their own groups as long as they are not violating the TOS of each platforms. We can't question Telegram which actually has lots of pumps and dump groups because users can easily create their own channels without any hassle. It's more convenient and easier for scammers to pursue scamming in Telegram but we should be aware of that. It is our personal responsibility to get rid of scammers and filing a lawsuit against Telegram alone wouldn't be enough and will be unfair since other top social media platforms have that kind of feature as well. We only have to be fully equipped with the knowledge to get rid of scam pages and avoid suspicious groups.

Telegram, Facebook, Discord, and probably other platforms are filled with such signal groups. Why would anyone, in their right mind, follow them? Anyone joining these kinds of groups is accepting the risk of getting scammed, tricked and ending in a loss of funds. In my opinion, becoming greedy and thinking that easy money exists is the reason why these groups exist, and OP, you sound like one of these people who go by this moto.

Good luck to you, but you won't manage something even if you actually sue Telegram, which is highly unlikely that you will.

I dont know if there is a policy that shields telegram from this sort of law suits but, if this could bring any good result, I suppose they could give it a try. There are pockets of these groups everywhere on social media and having them effectively deleted could minimise the damage.
Wth OP to have state that, he or she had effectively reported reported few to be investigated and deleted with no response (I suppose OP followed steps to prove the fraud been done though), it doesn't harm no one to put the word out and raise concerns for the Telegram team to be more involved on the activities done on its network.

It would be interesting to have victims come out and not shy away from the wrongs that have been done against them with a motion to halt it, even slightly at play. Though others would come up to replace the formal, let it be that something is been done when discovered and not allowed to linger.

You can’t get rid all of these groups but telegram can definitely do better when it comes to handling scams. I've personally never dabbled with such groups but I've noticed when it comes to battling scams in general, they are falling behind (but this could just be an isolated case). I wouldn't be surprised if scams are put on low priority.


I can't see what you're trying to do as anything but extremely tough battle so good luck.

I am with you in the sentiment that Telegram should at least take action against not only market manipulators teeming within their application but against scammers and spoofers as well who make Telegram a hostile place for people who are new to the platform. But then again it will take a humungous effort not only from telegram but from the people within its servers to implement such parameters which I guess is what contributes to the reason why no action until now is made.

You see socialization whenever you're using telegram but the owner sees business opportunities and ways to generate revenue whenever they look at it. Those are too different intentions. The pump and dump groups you want expunged (I also don't like them), could be the cash cow for the telegram owner, Pavel Durov. You never can tell.

If you want you can do it but it is never going to work, this is the equivalent of suing a telephone company because someone planned a crime using a phone or suing a company which makes cars because someone used their car for a robbery, telegram is a platform and they are not responsible for what their users post there, now if they were promoting those groups to their users you may have a point but since this is not the case you will never succeed on this enterprise.

Doubt that the Op will get good attention from the members of this forum.
What happened to telegram is not perfect telegram's responsibility but also each person who has been involved or experienced fraud because of such a group.
Moreover, no one can control it, if it is reported and closed, the opportunity to re-create such a group is open.
But is there in telegram t&c that such groups are banned? if there is no then this actions is waste time

It's not just telegrams and I found out that Facebook, Whatsapp or any other social app contains scam groups. You can't fight scammers by suing these apps, apart from scam groups, these apps are creating a lot of extremely productive working environments for teams. They make us useful products and what they are used for is up to the user, can't blame them. These groups exist because of our greed, if you get rid of your greed, I believe you will never fall into these traps. Make money by your own ability, don't expect someone to bring you free food every day.

And even if they get successful with this, pump and dump can still happen on other platforms but don't tell that you are also going to do the same thing with them? Well, good luck on that plan. If that became a success, well your efforts will surely paid off because many people are going to praise you for this and maybe you will receive a special award.

My personal view about these is that pump and dump are normal and they are a part of the crypto game. Without them, I think crypto will become less exciting or fun. It's not the fault of telegram imo. It's a public app so anyone is permitted to use and create a group there. It was only the responsibility of the joiner, whatever happens to them.

He should do such actions against pretty much all modern means of communications, from telephony and IRC to the more recent Telegram and Discord.


You should wake up and acknowledge you have 0 chance for this to succeed. Telegram is just a tool. By your logic the knife makers should be responsible for a lot of murders, just because people don't use them only for their food.

I don't really know if Telegram are taking down pump and dump crypto groups but I noticed recently that after some people post in groups, I always see deleted account at the top of the post, so I think those people have been reported multiple times that's why they delete their accounts, also like few months ago I noticed scammers always create Telegram group which a legit project's name, which if the group have been reported by multiple people, the Telegram group will be tag as SCAM which everyone will be seeing it at the top but I don't know if they are still doing that. To be honest I haven't seen Telegram deleted any group before, and I believe we all know Telegram is full of scammers so whenever you are added to any group by unknown user, you should just remove yourself from the group. I don't know how the OP is trying to win the case but am sure most people that have fallen victims are not even on forum here.

Admin/admins can remove anyone from the group, he/they is managing a group! When a group is reported multiple times for valid reasons with some profs telegram admins will block the group! Simple as that!

Anyway this "class action lawsuit against Telegram" sounds funny! Nobody forces anyone to follow and be a part of any telegram group, even less nobody is being forced to follow "some signals" from some certain group! OP is guilty because he trusted in a quick profit, when that didn't happen he decided to do something even crazier! A much better solution for OP would be to revise his actions and learn something from his mistakes... crying over spoiled mill will not get him anywhere!

Telegram is just full of fake groups, I don't really know Telegram do ban scam groups that have been reported multiple times, but am sure they can't take down all scam groups because immediately they ban a group, multiple groups will be created immediately.
Maybe the OP have fallen victim for scam crypto signal, but I think the OP should just focus on creating awareness about crypto signal groups, he should discourage people from joining crypto signal groups(pump and dump groups), am sure lot's of people are still looking for signal groups, they are looking for pump and dump coins to trade because they believe that's the place they can easily make cool money. I don't know if the OP can win the case.

his complaint is hard to validate as most of them can easily delete their groups. how is he going to attach valid proofs if the group is nowhere to be seen anymore? this is why there is option in telegram that you can delete or report the group. it is now on your prerogative if you will take the bait of these scammers. any socmed has scammers, now it is on you how you will protect yourself from these fraudsters.

As much as I want to support this but I think every social media have a pump and dump group, it will be hard to get this file into the court but if there’s already a report and Telegram didn’t make any response for that then I guess it’s ok to try. Pump and dump group is not illegal though, many are doing this the right way, this might be hard especially on looking for someone who will support this call.

You just don't need to bother yourself and go do other things that will help make money or shift your attention from telegram and focus on other things that cam bring good funds to you. Taking an action against telegram could be a big waste of time and resources that could end up in vain. Telegram has there own terms and conditions which I hope you read well before coming here to look for people that will support you and sue telegram since you haven't taken a look and what there terms indicate.

Since they are so stubborn to delete pump and dump group on telegram after do much awareness and alarming duties carried out by you, don't you waste too much of your time making cases and protesting. It's best you start advising people to stay clear and also avoid the group for mis-information countless occasion. That doesn't add more Satoshi to you wallet right, please do better be productive.

Dream on :) you cant never ever fight against world elite most wealthy ones.
You only fool yourself it's all Mafia good connections and wealthy well known people inside.


Everything not pmp dmp groups some groups Are really honest and helpful.

How long are you been in crypto? Do you experience a big loss from these so-called pumps and dump groups?

In the first place, why did you end up joining those? Even if you are not aware of these groups, it's your responsibility to do some research if such groups really exist for good. Can't believe you just invest or put money on that without doing research?

Move on, I should say. As much as I don't want to blame people who fall into that scheme, it's really your fault to end up like that. That's the problem when a person doesn't like to work smartly to earn money. Don't rely on other people to do it for you as that was totally nonsense.

You need to have army let's say you win lawsuit then how you do it ? You going against russia ? Do you have army ?
Do you think anyone Will fight for you ? USA ,?
Off course not

This, there are limits to what we can do to prevent those people from losing their money, even with a lot of information on the Internet and this forum about the dangers of following those groups people still decide to take their chances, but just as they are free to take those risks they are also required to accept the responsibility for their actions, suing telegram or any other platform is simply an attempt to try to shift that responsibility away, and it is unfair to do so.

yes everything is working properly, if your or your team's account gets reported multiple times they will tag scam right on your account. scams are everywhere, not just telegrams and we cannot sue platform providers. instead of blaming them, learn to protect yourself from scammers. try to educate yourself, don't rely on anyone and think they can help you make money, stop looking for groups that provide signals, they are just scam groups, nothing more and nothing less.

Until you learn how to use social media properly, you will be wasting your time running after such pump and dump groups. I understand you came up with this idea to deter scammers, but it's not really going to work. Because if you do research, you will find that every social media platform has these pump and dump groups. So it makes no sense to put all the blame on Telegram.

I can tell you pump and dump groups, they are everywhere on every social networking platform, not only on telegram, if you use whatsapp, discord you will also easily find similar groups. Don't blame the app platforms but check for yourself, why do we let ourselves fall victim to them, is it our greed? Do we just want to make money by relying on others? If you are aware that no one else can help you but yourself, I think you will not be in this situation.

Too wide area to complain about. I don’t think you are going into the right direction with telegram. They have millions of users and hundred thousand groups at least on which they run the whole thing. They generate revenue from the premium sticker set to premium features which can give you some good looking avatar and bots. I don’t think pure telegram has done anything wrong if people are publishing bad groups, luring you into something which can scam you etc etc

That’s the policy. You should know what you going into. Telegram is just a platform nothing else.