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Title: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Famous Grouse on November 03, 2022, 12:43:08 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: nutildah on November 03, 2022, 01:14:56 PM
That's if everybody pays, and they won't. However, if just 10% of them paid, then that would be 122.2 months to make $44 billion, granted the subscriber base stays steady, and that's still not too bad, given how much they make in advertising & other revenue. The real number will be closer to 1-5% I'm willing to bet.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Maidak on November 03, 2022, 01:45:17 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

From $20 and then dropped to $8, and it is facing a lot of backlash from users. I think if he really applies that fee then people won't pay to stay, they're willing to quit this social network and find another. Social networking is not a monopoly, it is facing stiff competition and we have a lot of free social networks. Although twitter is the most popular social network, that does not mean it cannot be replaced.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: lepbagong on November 04, 2022, 11:40:02 AM
I have to admit that when it comes to calculating profits for a company, Elon Musk is very smart and indeed he is an expert on that.
but if the paid implementation that will be carried out will indeed occur, do all the active users really want to pay?. If everyone really wants to pay, it's clear what the op calculated will definitely happen, Elon Musk will easily get his capital back.

but I don't believe it will be easy, that active users will want to pay. because the funds that will be issued by each active user are quite large and definitely not cheap.
where on the other hand there are still many social media networks that are still free, although it must be admitted that Twitter is very popular because of its simplicity.

there are always good and bad sides to every new implementation, but we will see in the future whether this will work as expected or there will be another mechanism.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: livingfree on November 04, 2022, 12:13:52 PM
Well, I guess he's expecting to have that ROI for years and I mean a lot of years as that's a huge amount of money. But since Twitter is a user-base company and not that exact will pay for that monthly.

He's a businessman and he's got some plans on it. Maybe he has thought that many are even encouraged to pay for a subscription on onlyfans with $20 or so, I don't know how much exactly is subscription there.  :P


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: coin-investor on November 04, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
That's the wrong calculation and assumption Elon Musk cannot guarantee that all its users will pay every month to remain verified not all people, especially those living in a third-world country have $8 to pay their monthly dues, I rather buy groceries than spend $8 monthly than keeping my Twitter account verified and besides many celebrities and rich people hate Elon for charging which was once free, now freedom of speech has a price now for Elon, I will not be a part of this.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: MAAManda on November 04, 2022, 12:43:08 PM
Sorry in advance if I interrupt your discussion @nutildah, @Maidak, @lepbagong, @livingfree & @coin-investor , but I don't think this discussion has anything to do with Altcoins in general. I know that Elon is deeply connected to the crypto world and specifically the altcoin $DOGE, but I don't see that here. You're just talking outside the context of altcoins.

For the OP, you better move this topic to the right board. For example to the economics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=7.0) board


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: evichi on November 04, 2022, 01:42:52 PM
Elon Musk is probably in a hurry to recover the money he spent in acquiring Twitter. Formerly, verification does not require payment (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63478854), it is more of an integrity thing. I think he should take it easy, at least twitter makes a lot of money in adverts. He should know that there are emerging social media platforms, so his quest to recover his money quickly can make people to change to other platforms which have the capability of impacting twitter negatively.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: o48o on November 04, 2022, 02:02:49 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
If they don't choose the easier way and just move for Bluesky Social (https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-jack-dorsey-launches-beta-bluesky-social-app-2022-10?r=US&IR=T).

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if ton of people would left from it. I've seen so many official accounts pondering that they should they leave twitter without even having an alternative, that it have left be baffled.

If most key people would leave it, it would eventually die, as most of officials and firms saw that they woudn't NEED to be there.
And it would mean Elon had bought $44B worth of bots, trolls and fanbois. I admit that would be funny as hell.

Edit: And then there's the fact "Elon Musk says Twitter has had ‘massive’ revenue drop as advertisers pause spending" (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-says-twitter-has-had-massive-revenue-drop.html). I an not sure how genius move this was.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Jackl87 on November 04, 2022, 02:54:39 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

It would be interesting to know how many of those verified users are staying with twitter and how many are leaving. I would guess though that the overwhelming majority will stay and then you are absolutely right with your statement that this was a great deal by Elon Musk if everything works out as planned. I think though that those verified users don't really have a choice here. I would guess that they make their money with twitter and therefore they need to be verified and there is no other platform that has the same reach as twitter. I know that mastodon is becoming a little bit more popular at the moment but it is still nowhere close to twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: XEN_Protocol on November 04, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
It's certain that not everyone will be able to afford that 8$ per month, most twitter users aren't making money off the platform so this 8$ is only going to be compulsory for influencers and marketers on Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Lagduf on November 04, 2022, 03:35:42 PM

I don't even think all of them will pay and what about the percentage of BOTs from those potential monetizable active users? There are bunch of bots in twitter and it can't even be counted.

There are some influencers dislike that idea to make twitter becomes a monthly subscribtion. They may also leaving twitter if such monetization will be implemented. that's pretty much the same like a monthly bill that came from twitter lol. Elon is not a genius but he was seeing an opportunity from what he has bought. I hope that bluesky that owned by dorsey may become a new solution for that.

The fact that if that would be only 30% from total potential monetizable active users that will regularly paying for monthly subscription and that's profitable enough for elon. You pay money to get free of speech. Nothing is free. I rather call it as pay for speech.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: uneng on November 04, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
Currently verified users won't pay 8$ to keep their blue seals. Many of the currently verified users belong to the mainstream progressist beautiful people who have already shared their negative feedback regards this feature. They had the blue seal as a conquest that could be achieved by few. For them it's a shame any common user can have the same seal they carry.

On the other hand, the main trick here is that the monthly subscription can be paid by any scammer pretending to be a celebrity like they have already did before.

The black market of verified accounts inside twitter already exists for a long time, now Musk is attempting to profit with this market as well, because many scammers will pay the 8$ in multiple accounts to execute their schemes. I expect the incidence of scams through sealed accounts to increase considerably after this monthly fee introduction.

But who cares? The important is that Elon Musk is a smart guy and will hit ROI really fast! 8) ::)


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Cling18 on November 04, 2022, 04:16:13 PM
Well, I guess he's expecting to have that ROI for years and I mean a lot of years as that's a huge amount of money. But since Twitter is a user-base company and not that exact will pay for that monthly.

He's a businessman and he's got some plans on it. Maybe he has thought that many are even encouraged to pay for a subscription on onlyfans with $20 or so, I don't know how much exactly is subscription there.  :P

He will surely implement rules that will benefit his business. He's actually taking action as the new CEO of the said platform by firing thousands of its employees. According to the news, he's planning to replace the manpower with bots. Seems like he wants to decrease his ROI period. Verified users won't pay that amount just to continue using the platform. It will surely backfire on him because users can easily switch to another platform just to avoid charges.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Accardo on November 04, 2022, 07:09:44 PM
Before Elon bought twitter I'm sure of services that charged 2k - 4k dollars to get a twitter account verified! Brands, celebrities and influencers didn't hesitate to pay for this kind of service. Though it was a one time payment where the money is used for press release to meet the requirements of getting a twitter blue tick. Some used the blue tick to stand out while others utilized it for illicit businesses. Now Elon is charging 8 dollars per twitter verification to fight bots and people are complaining. I think influencers feel bad to have a twitter where anybody can get a blue tick. He wants to determine real members from bots using this method. Unless business men move ahead to purchase a subscription for their bots which will add more funds to Elon's bank account. However, He owns twitter and nobody should tell him how to do his business as it won't add up, he doesn't care.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Captain Corporate on November 04, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
First of all, not all users are users, some of them are just multi accounts and thats why there isn't half a billion twitter users, do not be hopeful about it. Secondly, there won't be enough people paying 8 bucks per month to keep that blue tick, it would be more like 50 million dollars a year at the very best guess.

Also lets remember that ads were the only way of making money for twitter before this, and right now twitter is getting a huge damage to their ad income as well since Elon took over, its clear that people are disliking Elon more and more everyday, and many companies do not want to be assosiated with him.

Just look at this;

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588538640401018880


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: eaLiTy on November 04, 2022, 08:32:57 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
Implementing money for advanced perks and the verification is a genius move and everyone who wants to keep that status will be paying him. But the idea behind the implementation is to have total control over the platform rather than depending on the advertisers who will have certain demands of limiting certain users and in order to avoid them, it is kind of necessary but the valuation you just gave is not correct as not everyone of these will paying money to use Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Xal0lex on November 04, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

Some strange calculations. You should not count from the number of all users, but from the number of users who use the service. I'm sure that a full-scale conversion of all users to a paid service will end in failure for Twitter. Many users, including me, would rather leave the social network than pay $8 a month for a useless tick that an ordinary Twitter user does not need.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Jating on November 04, 2022, 08:56:57 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

It's not that easy though, not sure if everyone is willing to pay that much.

But obviously, this is the business side of why he wanted to acquire Twitter itself, to make more money isn't it. Maybe it will not be just a year that he will get his money back, maybe it will at least take a couple of years. And not sure if mMAU = blue badge, because that is what the initial news is. They are going to charge for those who are verified and have that blue badge under their names.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: tvplus006 on November 04, 2022, 11:24:56 PM
I think that Elon Musk looks more realistically at the period of return on investment and, accordingly, does not expect to return the money spent on the purchase within one year. But there is no doubt that we will see the introduction of various paid services, as well as an abundance of advertising.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: dothebeats on November 04, 2022, 11:45:25 PM
It's a huge IF. Those people will always have the option to not pay and still use the features of Twitter as is, they just won't have that blue badge displayed beside their name. We already saw a lot of verified users that are against this. They might just be another cheapskate or they just don't like the idea that a capitalist owner wanted to charge them for just a blue check mark. Whatever happens, I doubt Elon can easily recoup the sale in 1 year, and besides not all profit would even go to him anyway


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: romero121 on November 04, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
It's a huge IF. Those people will always have the option to not pay and still use the features of Twitter as is, they just won't have that blue badge displayed beside their name. We already saw a lot of verified users that are against this. They might just be another cheapskate or they just don't like the idea that a capitalist owner wanted to charge them for just a blue check mark. Whatever happens, I doubt Elon can easily recoup the sale in 1 year, and besides not all profit would even go to him anyway
Someone who could create a platform providing similar service by the time will make more people move towards it. He's a businessman and he does it accordingly. Nothing to point him as wrong. The blue tick is just the indication of verified user. If the users doesn't pay, the blue tick gets removed and there is no other service removed from the respective user account, which is good. In the long term surely this too could change.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Dimitri94 on November 05, 2022, 01:33:14 AM
Elon Musk's policy has received mixed reactions regarding on twitter. His announcement of $8 per month amortization for the blue check mark will tell what the future holds for Twitter. Meanwhile, the Binance CEO said 90 percent of the work will not be implemented at this point. So we have to wait what Elon musk done for it.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Humility4sure on November 05, 2022, 01:42:32 AM
I feel Elon musk was too fast in effecting the change on Twitter. Several persons are not happy about this development. He should focus on earning from other discreet sources while waiting for the appropriate time to bring the monetization scheme. It's obvious that social media is a game of numbers and he needs all the numbers he can get to keep Twitter competitive.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: adzino on November 05, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
Not everyone will be willing to pay the $8 (trust me, all those blue tick people are capable of paying monthly, but they just won't because they can't stand Elon Musk and hates him just because everyone is hating him), so your calculations are off I guess. Would take more than 13 months. They got to pay to the bills too! So two or more years unless Twitter actually does get more profitable by attracting more users. Since they are going to relaunch vine and also likely to reward content creators, more users might actually join the platform increasing the revenue from ads and sponsorships.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: royalfestus on November 05, 2022, 06:52:00 AM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
Earlier yesterday, I saw this figure on the number of Verified users, but it wasn't at 1 million. The number is in the range of 450k, not 450 million. The Guardian reports that there are 450k verified accounts on Twitter, which is 1% of all Twitter users ( https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/31/elon-musk-charges-twitter-users-verified-accounts-vine ). He used the whole week to explain the reason for the payment with $4 million loss daily. Even though he is trying to make money through the app, he might not be able to make all of it in a year or two


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: danherbias07 on November 05, 2022, 07:21:23 AM
$8 VIP treatment. Hmmm.
But we cannot say that everyone will subscribe. I mean, a lot of social media users love Facebook because they are not paying anything for clips and posts of their favorite streamers.
There's a chance some of them will be switching to another social media platform to avoid this kind of payment or they might as well just do the normal usage even if it's bombarded with advertisements.
That calculation might not happen after all.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: sulendra12 on November 05, 2022, 07:28:59 AM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
The whole idea to pay few bucks to get "verified badge" in your profile is really stupid. I think I have seen quite few Youtube videos that said this idea is beyond garbage. Although there is one point that is really promising if they done it right which is "the creators could get revenue in twitter", if the buyers could make return for this then it's okay. But the whole benefit of paying this is not worth it compared to other social media.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Maestro75 on November 05, 2022, 09:08:40 AM
That's if everybody pays, and they won't. However, if just 10% of them paid, then that would be 122.2 months to make $44 billion, granted the subscriber base stays steady, and that's still not too bad, given how much they make in advertising & other revenue. The real number will be closer to 1-5% I'm willing to bet.

We know that there is no possibility of all of them paying but that only 10% of them will pay from your guess will not likely also be possible. The percentage of those who will pay will be more than what you are speculating. I think around 50% will pay because the charge of $8 monthly is not much. Twitter is a very active platform for businesses to generate adverts and get traffic. Those who need Twitter and are serious about using it will not see the amount as too big


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: The Cryptovator on November 05, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
If Elon weren't genius then why will he buy Twitter at all? But regarding the blue tick, most likely he followed Telegram. Because recently telegram implement premium package where you can use emojis as you want. It would be blue tick as well. He bought twitter to make money, not to lost money. So definitely he will make a profitable company. But we are curious to see if he accept crypto for blue tick and which crypto accept. It would be a good Crypto adaption. But I am not sure about regulations allow it anyway.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Ayers on November 05, 2022, 10:37:52 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

I don't know what he's planning, but it looks like he started the fee idea despite everyone's objections. I don't know how many people will agree to pay for this service but I know TW is a favorite social network for a lot of people even though people often complain that there are too many annoying bots on it. He is an extremely intelligent person, he is not a decision maker without careful calculation and now let's wait and see how people react to it.
https://i.imgur.com/udSxj3p.png


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: royalfestus on November 06, 2022, 06:08:28 AM

I don't know what he's planning, but it looks like he started the fee idea despite everyone's objections. I don't know how many people will agree to pay for this service but I know TW is a favorite social network for a lot of people even though people often complain that there are too many annoying bots on it. He is an extremely intelligent person, he is not a decision maker without careful calculation and now let's wait and see how people react to it.
Asides the authenticity of an account that verification provide, what other benefits does it provide? In the long run, this will lead to the loss of so many accounts. In the end, it won't be about the money, but about the benefit and unending payment. It would have been better to have an outright payment and a yearly price than a monthly one. There are other ways to earn money than this, especially through advertisements. He has not shown intelligence with this decision.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Vaskiy on November 06, 2022, 11:29:43 PM
The policy can be in the form of coercion to subscribe behind that there are several advantages or benefits that users can get who subscribe or have a blue tick on Twitter.  very useful for content creators.  As for me, I don't mind because I'm not one of them.  $8 maybe they don't mind, maybe in the future Elon will accept payments with dogecoin
Agreed, this isn't beneficial for everyone. Most of the content creators will be benefiting out of the blue tick added to the user list. All of the sudden $8 for the service that's been used for a long need to be considered.

Few weeks back Twitch restricted the live streaming of gambling related contents. Following is the development of Kick which is being used for live streaming. It wasn't that good and crashing, but it'll grow as an alternate. Having an alternate to Twitter will stop Elon Musk from providing these kind of payment for services offered.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Jaered on November 07, 2022, 06:45:11 AM
I told my crypto friend about Elon Musk's plan. He knew creating a new social media app to compete the top dogs of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter would take millions of dolls and time, so he decided why not buy one of the top dogs? And he's gonna turn it into a serious cash cow


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Wexnident on November 07, 2022, 07:04:33 AM
I'm actually down for improvements with the blue mark he wants, maybe a premium like Discord nitro, but having everyone just pay to get the blue mark might run contrary to what it really should be. Maybe only allow the current blue mark to stay, but make another level above which needs payment and has all the implementations they could ever want (animated pfp, banners, fewer ads, basically whatever Elon wants to add plus some good cosmetic-ish stuff) if he really wanted that payment mechanic.

Right now though I don't think a lot of people are supporting him, it's not a matter of how much is being asked but rather the reason why it's being asked in the first place.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Saisher on November 07, 2022, 01:12:12 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

The biggest question is will you, I'm living in a third-world country and I only have Twitter to check the latest news and current events, $8 is big money to me I prefer to buy groceries with it, than stay verified and there are millions like me, those who will stay verified are celebrities and Elon supporter, he can still make a profit but not what you projected that he will make in 13 months, it's far from it.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: maydna on November 07, 2022, 03:08:32 PM
That's assuming all Twitter accounts pay a fee of $8 per month, but if only a small part pays, Elon won't make much money, although it's still extra income for Elon. I'm not sure many people will agree and pay that monthly fee, and maybe they'll move on to other social media that doesn't have to pay any fees. Yes, Elon is a genius, but unfortunately, he uses his genius for his own benefit.

Hopefully, not many will pay the monthly fee, so Elon doesn't get a lot of extra income ;D


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: o48o on November 07, 2022, 03:27:22 PM
I don't know what he's planning, but it looks like he started the fee idea despite everyone's objections. I don't know how many people will agree to pay for this service but I know TW is a favorite social network for a lot of people even though people often complain that there are too many annoying bots on it. He is an extremely intelligent person, he is not a decision maker without careful calculation and now let's wait and see how people react to it.

"Priority ranking" on that picture sounds like that non-paying users will be filtered out from feeds. Basically it's going to be making twitter commenting impossible if you don't pay. You can comment but no-one will see that. Which is the same thing.

I can't believe how quickly he messed this service up. First he kicked essential staff, then advertisers left, then this. I am already looking for alternatives. Too bad i had a cool account in twitter. I am starting to check analytics of my tweets to confirm if amount of  "impressions" drop, because seems like it like it's already in effect. I need few days to confirm that.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: crwth on November 07, 2022, 03:42:11 PM
He is a genius. He wouldn't be one of the world's wealthiest men if he weren't one. It may be a year or more, depending on the number of people who would pay, but holding Twitter is already a feat that would lead to a better investment opportunity in the future. He could make it even more valuable and beneficial to everyone and recover his investment faster.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: sana54210 on November 07, 2022, 08:34:49 PM
I'm actually down for improvements with the blue mark he wants, maybe a premium like Discord nitro, but having everyone just pay to get the blue mark might run contrary to what it really should be. Maybe only allow the current blue mark to stay, but make another level above which needs payment and has all the implementations they could ever want (animated pfp, banners, fewer ads, basically whatever Elon wants to add plus some good cosmetic-ish stuff) if he really wanted that payment mechanic.

Right now though I don't think a lot of people are supporting him, it's not a matter of how much is being asked but rather the reason why it's being asked in the first place.
I think the "noise" that was made about the 8 bucks is not the real reason why there is a bit of a controversy about the new path they are taking. It’s about the fact that anyone could do it. If you are willing to pay 8 bucks and get it, then what’s going to be the difference between a famous celebrity and a regular person? Both would have the blue tick.

Now that may sound great to you because you may get it just like a celeb, but at the same time it means a scammer could also get it, or if someone is willing to pay 80k dollars a month, they could have an army of 10 thousand blue ticks at the same time. That blue tick meant something as in someone who is known, not some random person who may even be a bot.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: WalkerIVIV on November 07, 2022, 08:48:49 PM
he is billionaire for a reason, the fact that he choose to own twitter means he has seen the potential in it, therefore I guess this was all part of his plan since i'm sure that even before he owned twitter officially he has already calculated this, even though I doubt it's gonna be that fast in term of elon gaining his money back, even if it takes more time than you just stated still really good investments. there is so many potential for twitter in terms of generating profit I guess.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: o48o on November 07, 2022, 09:03:30 PM
He is a genius. He wouldn't be one of the world's wealthiest men if he weren't one. It may be a year or more, depending on the number of people who would pay, but holding Twitter is already a feat that would lead to a better investment opportunity in the future. He could make it even more valuable and beneficial to everyone and recover his investment faster.

Rich ≠ Genius. Far from it. Sounds like you haven't been following what the twitter workers are saying. The fact he had to call workers back immendiately after kicking them tells a lot. If i would be one of them i sure would be wanting huge raise from new lead before joining as they totally screwed me over.

And the fact it was carefully balanced game theory so it can be free. So that anyone anywhere could directly have dialog with their representatives, and for famous people to interact with their fans. For people asking tips from experts etc... With current system, only fraction of these people will be seen.

Sure there were trolls and bots and now we shall see if they want to pay to continue scamming people. As far as i know they can afford it easily so i am not sure what this is supposed to fix. So scammers can buy themselves in but impersonating Elon for halloween has already caused lots of permabans for some big celebrities too.

There's a reason Facebook or Reddit didn't ever try to asked for money. It would slowly turn to ghost town and NO ONE would use it in the end. It would have been so much better if they had just sold nft avatars like reddit, or collectable handles like telegram and stuff like that.

There was no real alternative for twitter so far as everyone thought there wouldn't be need for one. Twitter was working just fine and had net effect that's hard to compete with. I am guessing this will change soon as there would be a huge market for it again.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: JoyMarsha on November 07, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
It's easy to think that way. Let's not forget there are bots accounts on Twitter and many accounts are not quite functional as well. If the $8 charge is fully implemented, don't be surprised that he won't even get one-quarter of the amount he spends on Twitter in more than a year. There are other social media platform options. By the way, the former Twitter CEO is building another social media platform



Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: bittick on November 07, 2022, 10:21:42 PM
even though it seems like easy like you mentioned I think it's definitely isn't that simple, indeed elon could easily recover back the money but I think it will requires more than one year, but I'm sure that this $8 subscription for twitter is just the beginning, surely eventually elon will implements further charge for other features and could possibly implements other new features, maybe integrating with cryptocurrencies making it possible for him to get back his money in short term.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Piesel on November 07, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

From $20 and then dropped to $8, and it is facing a lot of backlash from users. I think if he really applies that fee then people won't pay to stay, they're willing to quit this social network and find another. Social networking is not a monopoly, it is facing stiff competition and we have a lot of free social networks. Although twitter is the most popular social network, that does not mean it cannot be replaced.
I am One of the persons who are against the monetization of Twitter subscribers and even though the $8 monthly fee for verified Twitter user accounts may look small to those who have a lot of marketing and endorsements to promote on twitter.

The majority of other Twitter verified users may simply look for an alternative to Twitter especially if their account is not used for commercial purposes and does not yield any income monthly.

Even if this work, it will only lead to more centralization of Twitter, and in time to come other rules may be added to the Twitter policy.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: monineklutak on November 07, 2022, 11:42:00 PM
even though it seems like easy like you mentioned I think it's definitely isn't that simple, indeed elon could easily recover back the money but I think it will requires more than one year, but I'm sure that this $8 subscription for twitter is just the beginning, surely eventually elon will implements further charge for other features and could possibly implements other new features, maybe integrating with cryptocurrencies making it possible for him to get back his money in short term.
Regarding Elon Musk's policy, in fact, many people are against it because it has to incur costs that shouldn't be necessary.
it's certainly still early to judge it and I really hope there will be interesting new features,
the possibility of integrating with crypto looks like it can happen and let's see


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: jostorres on November 08, 2022, 06:14:41 AM
I told my crypto friend about Elon Musk's plan. He knew creating a new social media app to compete the top dogs of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter would take millions of dolls and time, so he decided why not buy one of the top dogs? And he's gonna turn it into a serious cash cow
I think building a website from scratch can cost less and for the time, I don't think it will take long for it to be on the level of Facebook, Twitter and other top social media sites because everyone knows who is Elon Musk and he can use his popularity to gather users asap but he didn't think of doing it. Maybe his plans is not for the competition but it has to do of owning Twitter.

Glad that Twitter owners do also sell their creation but who would be when you are being with offered huge amounts of money? And for them, maybe money is more important. Elon has other businesses and they can earn more than what he can get in Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on November 08, 2022, 12:36:55 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

As for you, my friend, your calculation is unrealistic. How sure are you that 450M users of Twitter will pay 8$ per month? You should always base your computation on the worst-case scenario. Then Based on my research the active users per month of Twitter is at 290.5M

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/303681/twitter-users-worldwide/


I don't know where you got the 450M users, Besides that you say that Elon Musk is a genius, that's normal because he is a businessman. And as far as I can see, he doesn't care about people, if it helps, he will get his money back. Elon Musk can be said to be one of those shrewd businessmen who will not allow himself to lose in his investment, he always thinks ahead. This is just my assessment.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Bananington on November 08, 2022, 01:03:54 PM
Besides that you say that Elon Musk is a genius, that's normal because he is a businessman.
Do you mean all business men are geniuses?

And as far as I can see, he doesn't care about people, if it helps, he will get his money back.
If you have a blue tick that is some amount of fame, it is expected that fame comes with money, the $8 should not be an issue if you love twitter. Even if the fee was $2, you will still hear people complain about it simply because they are not used to it. We pay monthly subscription fees for other services already, so people can get used to it. If you love twitter, it is something to adjust to. I only just hope that they take extra precaution and make it difficult not to allow scammers easily get a blue tick with their $8.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: eightdots on November 08, 2022, 05:16:45 PM
When it comes to making money, Elon is the best in the business. What if he says he will give blue ticks to many people, not just celebrities? People will line up to get blue ticks. I know that he can earn many times more than the money he deposited. We're going to see a lot of different things on Twitter. I'm sure of that. Let's watch and enjoy.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: sulendra12 on November 08, 2022, 07:53:07 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
Isn't this statement even makes the whole userbase declining its value? Sure if they pay it all, but I'm pretty sure most of the users in twitter don't even bother with virtual badge in their profile. Basically everyone can just have it with $8 to get it, it's not even make you special where everyone can get it or I can say it's a Pay 2 Win scheme for just half-good benefit it offers.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: drwhobox on November 08, 2022, 10:18:03 PM
I admit Elon Musk is a genius and all the members are not paid, Elon needs time to get back his investment.
As you said Elon is a genius he will use Twitter for generating more money, and influence.



Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on November 09, 2022, 03:15:40 AM
Do you mean all business men are geniuses?

  - You know Sir that we are only talking about Elon Musk here, I did not say that all businessmen are geniuses.

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If you have a blue tick that is some amount of fame, it is expected that fame comes with money, the $8 should not be an issue if you love twitter. Even if the fee was $2, you will still hear people complain about it simply because they are not used to it. We pay monthly subscription fees for other services already, so people can get used to it. If you love twitter, it is something to adjust to. I only just hope that they take extra precaution and make it difficult not to allow scammers easily get a blue tick with their $8.

  - You have a point in what you said friend, that when a person is important to Twitter, he doesn't care if he has to pay a monthly fee for it, but what I'm saying is that the total active users of Twitter are 290.5M users, high the chances are 50% or 1/4 of its number can be left. But of course, let's see what happens in the future.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: BENSON F on November 09, 2022, 04:02:46 AM
I don't think he will put this money in his eyes at all. What he sees is his control over the media and his right to speak, and the bigger strategic issues are the key to his entry into Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: iv4n on November 09, 2022, 07:23:25 AM
I don't think he will put this money in his eyes at all. What he sees is his control over the media and his right to speak, and the bigger strategic issues are the key to his entry into Twitter.

I also think that it's not just about money, there are certainly some other interests, but in the end, everything Elon does brings insanely high profits. Which is quite normal, with a 44 billion investment he will probably hit many flies at once.
It's hard to figure out Elon's moves, he is getting better and better at manipulating the masses with his words and actions. What his end goal is is probably something only he knows, he surprised many of us many times, so I guess only with time we will see his real intentions.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: FanEagle on November 09, 2022, 06:24:45 PM
I told my crypto friend about Elon Musk's plan. He knew creating a new social media app to compete the top dogs of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter would take millions of dolls and time, so he decided why not buy one of the top dogs? And he's gonna turn it into a serious cash cow
I think building a website from scratch can cost less and for the time, I don't think it will take long for it to be on the level of Facebook, Twitter and other top social media sites because everyone knows who is Elon Musk and he can use his popularity to gather users asap but he didn't think of doing it. Maybe his plans is not for the competition but it has to do of owning Twitter.

Glad that Twitter owners do also sell their creation but who would be when you are being with offered huge amounts of money? And for them, maybe money is more important. Elon has other businesses and they can earn more than what he can get in Twitter.
Elon Musk doesn't have a name to gather users, in fact he has a name that loses money. Isn't that the problem he has? When he joined twitter the "free speech" thing was his selling point and we have seen how horrible that backfired. Right now, twitter is actually losing more money than before, and there are less and less people who spend money on ads at twitter too.

Right now, you could literally do ads that would go 2x more with the same amount of money all because there are less people spending money on it. Because when Elon took over, people left and advertisers left as well, people do not like Elon as much as he thinks people do.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: russselcarri on November 10, 2022, 06:57:22 AM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.


He is not only a genius, but also has the fastest dissemination speed, the largest influence, the largest audience in the world, the most instructive, timeliness, and even the most easily spread false media --- TEITTER.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: jaberwock on November 13, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
I don't think he will put this money in his eyes at all. What he sees is his control over the media and his right to speak, and the bigger strategic issues are the key to his entry into Twitter.
I also think that it's not just about money, there are certainly some other interests, but in the end, everything Elon does brings insanely high profits. Which is quite normal, with a 44 billion investment he will probably hit many flies at once.
It's hard to figure out Elon's moves, he is getting better and better at manipulating the masses with his words and actions. What his end goal is is probably something only he knows, he surprised many of us many times, so I guess only with time we will see his real intentions.
First of all, twitter was worth something around 15-20 billion, paying 40+ billion means he overpaid like crazy and that means it wasn't about money right away, from the moment he offered it. If it was ever about money, he would have just offered a good number like 10-12 first, and negotiate to get it for whatever it is worth, if he paid more than double what it is worth, that’s a big problem to begin with.

Secondly, we all know "free speech" and media control and controlling the narrative was his whole idea with twitter. He has been working towards that for a while now and I am sure that he will be making twitter a cesspool for sure and it will be unbearable. I can see another website growing bigger soon.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: tvplus006 on November 14, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
If you have a blue tick that is some amount of fame, it is expected that fame comes with money, the $8 should not be an issue if you love twitter. ..

On the official Trust Wallet Twitter page on November 10, a mysterious message appeared: "$8 for Twitter, $0 for Trust Wallet." - https://twitter.com/TrustWallet/status/1590804736646725633 It was with this message that the rapid growth of the price for TWT began. Perhaps he points to the imminent integration of the Trust Wallet wallet into Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: NNRR on November 14, 2022, 01:18:59 PM
If you think about the user side of Twitter, many users are desperate for Blue Mark but they didn't get Blue Mark so easily but when Twitter bought Elon mask, there is a news coming that Blue Mark can be bought with few dollars. In this case Elon mask may have planned. Part of the money he spent to buy Twitter may come up through the Blue Mark sale, in this case Elon mask may also benefit but at the end of the day the real benefit is our Twitter users because getting Blue Mark will be much easier now.



Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: virasisog on November 14, 2022, 03:29:36 PM
If you think about the user side of Twitter, many users are desperate for Blue Mark but they didn't get Blue Mark so easily but when Twitter bought Elon mask, there is a news coming that Blue Mark can be bought with few dollars. In this case Elon mask may have planned. Part of the money he spent to buy Twitter may come up through the Blue Mark sale, in this case Elon mask may also benefit but at the end of the day the real benefit is our Twitter users because getting Blue Mark will be much easier now.



Elon Musk have planned everything even before he completely bought and owned Twitter. He smartly knows how to make money from it and to maximize his assets. He won't buy something where he couldn't return his investment in the period that he has set. He's always business-minded and for sure, he will always make money through the platform's features and would also use Twitter to broaden up his influence to manipulate all the coins that he wanted for his own benefit as well.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: BigBos on November 14, 2022, 03:37:18 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.

It's too early to jump to conclusions about Twitter's pretty tough monthly revenue of $44 billion over 13 months going into Elon's pocket. This value is the accumulation of the overall revenue earned from the monetization of the social media company, excluding advertising. while twitter must pay employees, operations, taxes, directors, and others. so I can say $44 billion is not Elon Musk's net income.
The Tesla CEO only owns 9.2% of his total stake in Twitter, so it took him several years to recover his capital from his shareholding in Twitter.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: tvplus006 on November 14, 2022, 08:34:23 PM
...The Tesla CEO only owns 9.2% of his total stake in Twitter, so it took him several years to recover his capital from his shareholding in Twitter.

9.2% of Twitter shares were acquired by Elon Musk in January 2012 for $2.64 billion. After the completion of the deal in October 2022, which cost Elon Musk $44 billion, Twitter became a private company. Thus, Elon Musk became the owner of social media Twitter, buying 100% of the company shares.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: nimogsm on November 14, 2022, 09:39:26 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
According to my observations, users are in no hurry to buy blue marks on their profile,so your calculations are incorrect.Most of the profits will be from advertising,so it has always been and will be.And even if they introduce a cryptocurrency (which is still unlikely),he will not receive a tangible profit.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: milewilda on November 14, 2022, 09:45:26 PM
Twitter's mMAUs (monthly Monetizable Active Users) stands at 450 million. If they pay $8 per month, that gives Elon $3.6B per month. It will take 13 months to make $44B - the purchase price QED. Elon Musk is a genius.
None of our business on how short or how long he would Roi out but the fact that this man is a billionaire then it isnt something a position that you could attain if you dont have that kind of mindset.
Of course you wont really be buying something that wont really be able to benefit you out.It would really be just normal that he would be finding ways to utilize Twitter that he had recently bought or owned.
Doesnt matter if it would take 13 months or 2 years or so on as long he could break even or make huge passive income then its his idea or plan on the very beginning.
This is where we could really say that rich becomes even more richer since they do really have always have the advantage.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: asyakashi on November 14, 2022, 10:17:38 PM
it is quite natural for the richest man in the world to get back his assets very quickly because besides being rich Elon Musk does have a great way of doing business, he has a great influence in the world, he has a tesla. It is not difficult for him to experience a little loss.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: WalkerIVIV on November 14, 2022, 10:51:21 PM
it seems after twitter goes private the platform revenue from ads are significantly decreased this is the reason elon is pushing the subscription features in his platform instead of relying with the advertisements, after all he has spend so much money in acquiring this company and it seems pushing the subscription is the most logical way in recovering his money slowly but sure, but I doubt elon could make recovery in his money just in a year, it will definitely took him few years in recovering his money back again.


Title: Re: Elon musk have Just a year to make back his money🙆
Post by: o48o on November 14, 2022, 11:22:03 PM
He just keep messing things up. Latest would be the fact that he saw unnecessary microservices and dealt with them:

https://i.imgur.com/2c1xD7d.png

And that caused 2FA to break (https://www.androidauthority.com/twitter-sms-2fa-3234698/). Now i am in danger of losing my account permanently. So thanks Musk!

The fact that people are considering him as a genius blows my mind and this little stunt shows his coding skills as well. I shouldn't mind as it's his business and he can burn it to the ground if he wants and looks like he does. But the reason why i am angry is because it was a good platform. And now we have probably have to find a new one or build it again as this is obviously not working.