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This is being planned. Yes, guys. They are planning our future without our consent. While "A french secretary of state just explicitly said on a french news channel that they are looking for ways to report fellow citizens for belief in conspiracy theories (https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/ylj858/a_french_secretary_of_state_just_explicitly_said/)", the WEF is working to implement a Global Social credit scoring system along with their Digital Identity imposition and their Smart Cities Governance (https://www.weforum.org/impact/smart-cities-governance-alliance/) scheme (which btw, they say it is to protect citizens). They hope to have this all playing out by 2030. Looks pretty scary to me...


"You will own nothing and you will be happy (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10153982130966479)"

And what are you going to do about it?

Will Bitcoin be a way to escape the Great Reset or will it perish?

It's been long proven and we'll known that anything produced in the AI space at the moment adopts the biases of its creator/developers (as they're the ones feeding it with their own judgements). If something like surveillance were to be done on a large scale and by AI it'd end up marginalising minorities.

In a way, I don't think this would lead to an end of things like bitcoin and other decentralised projects but it might lead to higher amounts of more restrictive regulation targetted at impaling the consumer but advertising it's in their best interest. Where such a system has been implemented in the past, China, a lot of companies have already left (especially tech startups) and I think this will be seen to be happening more and more in any country that considers adopting such systems. There's a difference between making sites warn they're unregulated and adding lots of barriers for them to be able to function - it seems more and more that regulation is geared towards conserving wealth and companies competitiveness without them having to compete with newer more efficient companies, but this might and probably will change at some point soon enough due to voting pressure (or market pressure - it's harder to regulate your borders information wise now - companies can function internationally without licenses/tax/fees if their host doesn't have them).

We're moving towards a pro-paternalistic and pro-surveillance regime, no doubt. I don't want to think pessimistically, and expect to have no right to speech, no right to choose, no right to my money, and no right to think, nor do I believe we're going in that direction absolutely, but I hold no doubt that we'll witness events such as social credit scores, repealing of physical cash, fall in private financing, etc., and generally sacrifice more and more freedom for comfort and social safety.

What I like about bitcoin is that it can help us resist without violence. All that's needed is a merchant accepting it, and a customer willing to pay with it. No elections, no promises, no outsider that can fuck with this simple process. It's as simple as handing over a dollar bill, only that this can't be purposefully debased. So, yeah. I think it can serve its purpose, even in a society that puts equality above freedom. I'm actually looking forward to see it working; that's undoubtedly going to be the great test.

I'll say yes to those conspiracies who believe climate change is not true, and those who believe conspiracies who cause trouble physically when they're trying to prove their beliefs without giving strong valid proof.

As long it won't be labeled as misinformation, it's no problem but if it going out of hand then that it will give much trouble and need for solution.

Well, i don't think anything that bitcoin will be affected by it. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency are back with math, and math don't lies.
Now if someone says that bitcoin will resolve anything in this world, now thats not about math, its conspiracy. Lmao.

To be fair, if we look at our past, freedom of speech is a lot stronger now. It helps that there is an online universe where people have a sort of an alternate existence. It has become more or less a safe haven for those who wish to keep their identities hidden while being candid with their opinions. There is also a growing movement now for the same freedom in strict countries like Iran or China.

Bitcoin will remain to be a symbol of resistance whatever happens. It can't be censored. Totalitarian governments may attempt to stop it, but they would never succeed.

2030 is just 8 years away, that is long but not that long. Bitcoin has faced its worst time with people and countries not believing in it until they started to believe in it and the adoption grows. Bitcoin offer a decentralized means of payment and a privacy and freedom means of holding it in a way to resist much pressure from government and regulators unlike fiat and other means that are centralized. Yet, even many of the government officials like how bitcoin is. This should not be a debate that bitcoin will still exist by 2030, if bitcoin won't exist by 2030 as a result of regulation and government, it will not still be existing by now, but its nice design makes it to exist.

Not all countries are open for freedom of speech, actually I don't think someone who make such conspiracy is actually a good thing, most people make a bad conspiracy who doesn't have any proof to back their own words.

I think we can still have freedom of speech on internet existence as long as we're not creating any account with personal information and using our real IP address to access a website. But Bitcoin will still become freedom of choice since it's decentralized and can't be shut down by government.

Freedom of speech and doings has come to stay, nothing would arrest it this time when more countries are adopting democracy as a system of government. As some governments introduce some unfriendly policies, freedom fighters will continue to spring up to counter them. Also, considering the links I read from the OP, I would not take those words seriously unless I could read them from trusted sites or hear them from a better news outlet.

Even at that, Bitcoin will not be affected by all of those, many countries have tried their worst but here is Bitcoin still standing and well appreciated by many.

It's not a lot of time left for 2030 and I personally don't think they can restrict us from speaking or believing anything.
I am literally shocked to know about the global social credit scoring system. I wonder how they are planning on to implement it.
Whatever it is, it must not be implemented because this kind of system will give the governments more power to control the people.
Moreover, we are not slaves so that can score us. I am sure there will be more manipulation, corruption etc.. as soon as this so called system is impelmented.

CBDC's are coming. Sunak is a strong supporter of digital currencies, and he might well be the first country leader to institute central banks regulated digital currencies in Europe. This is soon to be happening and our freedom will become extremely blurry and eventually fade away... Cointelegraph posted an interesting article (https://cointelegraph.com/news/cbdcs-are-a-declaration-of-war-against-the-banking-system-claims-economist) about it!

China and North Korea have been the first to implement that and these rich nations are just following what they've been doing over all of these years. They've taken the freedom of their citizens long time ago.

We've seen that there's no asset that have been able to skip the financial crisis since the pandemic has started. With all of the inflations and increase of the FEDs rate, everything perishes. But what's impressive to see is the stability of bitcoin. Imagine, this is a volatile asset and yet has been stable when most countries are dealing with high inflation rates.

Never forget that bitcoin is a currency that does not have a speculated time interval for it to exist despite it's limited supply, it's a currency that will always serve it purpose even after the whole blocks were mined, now should we get concerned about what some set of people assume for bitcoin? Bitcoin will remain beyond 2030 and over many generations to come as long as it has been already accepted for a means of making exchange for the payment of goods and services, it's also an asset the has appreciative value over time, if you truly knows the ideology of bitcoin you wouldn't be convinced about what others may say concerning it.

Imho for every change that's against the people (like the current Big Brother trend) there's a threshold. When the glass is getting full, the people will react, and badly.
For now, especially in the democratic countries, some politicians are testing the waters and others keep an eye on them. Sort of equilibrium that doesn't need to be taken too serious (everybody can declare anything, that doesn't mean it will actually happen).

So no, I don't think that bitcoin will perish that soon. It will even get bigger.
Plus, bitcoin can work with and without KYC, depending on what the user wants and his level of knowledge.

Actually this trend trends to even fuel the privacy oriented altcoins ...

Looking at the scenario unveiling itself step by step, I think it's past when one would say that they have no freedom of speech and control over resources. Many times the government wanted to control the citizens but it was met with stiff response from the masses. Freedom of speech would never and can never be a mirrage. Irrespective of the fact that there would definitely be some policies initiated by the government to control the people, it would only succeed for a short time but believe me you, the people would surely react fiercely against it. The world has gone far beyond the stage where individuals would be under control for a long time without a revolt. Come to talk of Bitcoin still in the space till 2030, I assure that it would stay far beyond that year as you have mentioned Bitcoin is just like you giving Power to the people so tell me how do you expect the people to throw away the power given to them recklessly, It's not possible. Bitcoin has been designed and built to stand the test of time. So OO I think you would tell it that Bitcoin has come to stay.

I don't speak French, and the short info provided in a Reddit post and in one news article that I found aren't enough for me to assess what was meant and what kind of consequences it can have. I also read the article on Smart Cities and digital identity is literally mentioned zero times there, while involving civil society and protecting privacy are mentioned in the article and in the video.
Not to mention that this is just an experimental project, basically.
So I think it's very far-fetched to say that freedom of speech will be over, and that it looks scary. To me, we're not there yet and there isn't enough information to claim that any major changes will happen by 2030 when it comes to privacy or freedom of speech, really.
Oh, and yes, I'm sure Bitcoin will be out there in 2030.

Bitcoin can be one of the proven way to avoid censorship coming from those in authority but I must say that this is limited to wealth protection and may not be protecting people's right to free speech as the world is moving towards authoritarianism in many locations. Free speech is something that is surely slowly being eaten and in may times legally by imposing restrictions on many things and by redefining many things to suit what those in power can be planning. We are all hoping that Bitcoin can be playing a role in protecting what the people should be enjoying, in the first place.

Total digitalization and, as a consequence, simplification of surveillance and identification of course leads to the fear of total control, including the restriction of freedom of speech.
But at the same time, we see that here and there local municipalities or county and state governments are beginning to legislatively restrict total surveillance of people with the help of surveillance cameras, for example, and although the world is moving towards a digital camp, but hope remains.
And I think that bitcoin is not in danger of anything, unless the greatly increased price makes it less affordable, but you can always buy not most of it.

These are just predictions so we may not know if it does going to happen or not. Imagine if we live in a country like China and North Korea that doesn’t have the freedom of speech. We would be living a miserable life where our decisions and future are being fully controlled by the government and other central entities.

The only one that I am most concerned about though is the first one “You own nothing and you’ll be happy”. I don’t know what they really mean though, maybe monetary related stuff like Bitcoin? Or maybe our real life assets, properties, etc.?

Regardless of the outcome, Bitcoin is here to stay and there’s no way the government or any central authority can control it ever and it will never perish.

Oh yeah as if there exists only one governing body and that’s French cabinet. I shook my head to this news and it’s the most unplanned scam of the government. Just go public, speak something out of thin air and claim that they will be doing this and that and just scare the public.

Do you guys even believe that this will have slightest impact on the global market? This is just news on the local channel and we don’t need to make it international standard.

Last week there something about Biden and before that there was SEC fighting over bitcoin securities and what not.

Slowly it all seems to be conspiracy itself from the government to shut the various operations on the other side. I don’t think it’s gonna make me scare.

Bitcoin will for shure be here in 2030, because this news are only affecting one country and can never affect all of the places on earth. Also even if there will be a period in the future where bitcoin is banned, there is no reason that it can not come back after that period ends.

The world is definitely becomingly increasingly authoritarian.  Although (slightly off-topic) France, of all places, is a fairly resilient populace who know their rights and are fully prepared to take to social disorder to uphold those rights.  Full respect to them.  Lawmakers will find it difficult to push that through there.

Other places I could definitely see sliding towards totalitarianism, though.

This is ironic taking in consideration the fact that so far with all the technological advancements free speech has actually become a reality and can reach thousands or even millions of people at once. But thinking that just in a matter of few years we will be in such a scenario where we won't be able to exercise this very power itself seems pretty scary to me honestly. I think one can't really do anything about it individually you just have to make sure you select the correct global leaders who advocate free speech instead of ones who merely pretend to advocate the same. Talking about bitcoin even the freedom of that would become like a mirage if such a thing takes place.

Freedom of speech has always been an illusion specially in democracies. Basically you are free to do or say whatever the regime likes and if you do anything they don't like (eg. choose an alternative money they can not control) they will treat you the harshest way possible.
The more their democracy modern dictatorship is threatened the more violent they are going to get. Look at what French authorities have been doing to the protesters (eg. Yellow Vests). This is even worse in times of crisis like an economic crisis that they are facing...

If you say especially in democracy in what system freedome of speech is better? I think you are a little bit blinded by the media, since yes the protests are being controls when they turn violent but still you can say what every you want in the media or in a peaceful way.

Totalitarian governments does not last long.... once people got used to freedom ..and it gets taken away, they start to fight back and that manifest in the form of riots. Dictators gets assassinated ...and people replace them with leaders that fit their purpose.

"The French Revolution was a period of major social upheaval that began in 1787 and ended in 1799. It sought to completely change the relationship between the rulers and those they governed and to redefine the nature of political power." - https://www.britannica.com/event/French-Revolution

I think "leaders" forget very quickly and then history needs to repeat it self.  ;)

Unfortunately I have not yet seen any system that has true freedom of speech. It is not about controlling protests either, it is about speaking about "dirty government" in which case you will be silenced if your voice starts to be heard (they don't silence every idiot on the internet that talks about such matters).
For the most recent example google "ABC news reporter home raided". He wasn't "violent" or "protesting" he simply talked about the dirtiness in US government regarding how they started Ukraine war so he was "deleted" immediately.

I can tell you that it is at least not the fault of democracy since for example here in Germany you can even read in the state news every few days stuff about dirty deals from the government. You can not spread lies without proof but if it makes sense there will be no way that you are stopped. This is mostly a result of strict rules from the post nazi era. So it is always what people make out of it, but for shure it is not a direct result of the political system.

Since freedom of speech is often associated with political circumstances, I honestly don't see that financial freedom will still be in one context or at least will interfere with certain political interests (within the remaining 8 years threshold). Isn't it even better to support a stream if they wanna realize the aspirations of the public, eg. if bitcoin is the most desirable thing?

bitcoin in my opinion will still exist, with the progress of the times like now, bitcoin will continue to grow and develop.
Internet users are increasingly crowded, as well as many digital transactions have been practicing.
and it's all bound to more or less lead
on progress.

the number of Indonesian crypto asset customers reached 7.5 million people late last year. The number has almost doubled compared to 2020, which was only four million people.

That's a significant feature and a positive thing for crypto/bitcoin.

Freedom of speech is doomed to be a mirage. I guess ever since the beginning,  freedom of speech has been more like a slogan which would never be achieved in reality. This is what we need to be clear of. Just keep in mind what we should say at the right time in the right place.