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Is there any gambling project that have a soccer game and horse racing game onboard? I believe that these two genre are not based on luck but skill that's why I ask this question, since most gambling projects have games that are based on luck like roulette and others.

I don't know about those project you are asking about but sports betting and horse racing are often mentioned as two types of gambling where someone with enough talent and effort to study the field, as well as good bankroll management, can win in the long run. I don't know about horse racing but it seems that sports betting has become more difficult over the years as the bookmakers have been adjusting the odds.

The other game you would be missing would be poker, where it is possible to win, but as in the other two cases it is not easy.

In the case of roulette and casino games, if you play, it is better to consider them as entertainment, because in the long term you will not be able to beat the House Edge, although you may get some jackpots in the short term.

In some games, there is some level of skills involved. Let me explain with two examples:

1) Sports betting or prediction: This is very much popular in my country and it has resulted in lot of companies or websites offering these games. It was challenged by some people in my country that it is like lottery and court gave decision in favor of websites. It was because court was of opinion that some skill is required to make these predictions. It is obvious that if you have done good research about the players and team involved, pitch conditions and many other things, then only you can make correct decisions.

2) Rummy: Same way as above, court also ordered that online rummy will be legal in my country as it depends on the skill of the players. That is why there are so many rummy sites are operating here that entertain millions of players.

why Only soccer and Horse racing? why not all the sports gambling ? or at least boxing, basketball , football and basseball?

yeah sports betting is more safer as there is a need in skills and familiarity about the game you wanted than luck base games that you are betting with 90% chance of losing.

and what project are you asking? or you mean gambling sites? then best to enter sites that has sports betting feature not only casinos.

I think we need to clarify something from a gambler and player.

If you are a player - that obviously requires skills like sports games
But, if you are just a gambler - skill is not necessary but luck should be possible.

Though we can't say not all gambling games are not based on luck. However, we ask for it to be with us and win. Because even in sports, even if you're team is strong, you can never say that all the time they will win, perhaps they still lost because they were unlucky that day. This is the same in gambling, even if you have skills, losing is inevitable.

Luck still works. I don't know of any project that has sports and horse racing game onboard but in regular gambling Soccer games and horsing luck also get in. Skills are needed too but sometimes games gets to complicated to predict, even big teams get poor performance too so many who win big get them through luck and less skill

I think you might be wrong about that. All gambling games are probabilistic to their very core. Which is why they are gambling games and not games which can be won by using complex computer algorithms like with chess. So what you call luck is really you being on the less "lucky" side than the actual gambling casino with their built-in house edge. But you definitely could raise your chances of winning if you are skilled enough. Even though you will never be "luckier" than the casino with mentioned house edge. Trying to cheat fate by calling something lucky or unlucky is just psychological. Not a good gambling strategy.

If it is with money it is a luck based but the difference is that you can have the chance to up yourself on your winning chances like analysing past games, statistics, goals , team fitness like in football and other field events. Some gambling games are based on luck because you have no skill, experience or anything that is attach to it if not to roll or play it which outcome doesn't depend on your research or the analysis that you do for it.

Sports betting. That's basically the sort of gambling you're in if you don't want to rely 100% on luck (I say so since there's still a factor of luck even in those types of events/activities). Outside of sports, I reckon Poker has some form of skill involved but unlike sports, luck is still a highly reliant factor.

You're not participating in the activity itself though just to note, cause if that's what you're looking for then it isn't a gambling site/activity you're looking for anymore, it's a tournament instead. You're not a gambler anymore, but rather a participant instead and you're the one being gambled on instead.

Are you really sure football and horse racing are really require skill in order to win? Can you bet on the next football and horse racing games with the odds more than @2.50, prove me if skill can make you to earn! Actually many people can bet on football and horse racing game, also they're already have their own analysis to judge the possible outcome of the game, but still most gamblers are lose more than win.

Well, in my opinion, i think one still need luck even in games that require skill to win, like in soccer and horse racing that you mentioned, the skill required is knowledge, the gambler have to know some vital stuff about the teams and how they play to be able to predict the out come of a match correctly, also i think knowing how a different teams perform under different weather conditions is also a vital asset as knowledge to have in sports betting.
But even with all this knowledge, you have need some atom of luck to win since knowledge is never enough, because after doing your best in betting with your knowledge, some things can change in the pitch that will utter the result of the game and your prediction.
So personally, i think the role of luck is still very much needed even in skill/knowledge based games/gambling.

The only game which require skill for me is Texas holdem poker and everything else is based heavily on luck despite a bit of skill is involved there too.In fact in sport betting you may know very well the teams,may have followed them through many years and you never miss for example a training session of your favorite team,this is skill but when the referee does not give a clear penalty and your team loses against a much weaker team then this is called luck and luck is heavily involved in sport betting because you do not rely on your own like in Texas holdem and for me the only games that cannot be luck based are the ones I take part myself.

if you now take 1$ and go buy a lottery ticket, you just arrive at the place where they sell the lottery ticket and buy the lottery ticket and then you just have to be patient and hope that you are lucky to win the jackpot

But if you take 1$ and enter a sports betting site, you will see many games and with different odds, you have the opportunity to choose the game and then analyze the game (which team had better results in the last 5 games and the worst team between the two teams that will play ) and you bet on the team that you think will win the game based on the analysis you made yourself, that is, if you win it was on merit, it was thanks to your skill and not thanks to luck

I play huge parlays which are the same as lotto tickets but more fun.

Indeed, not all gambling games are based on luck, but some are skill-based.
The more proficient your skills in analyzing a match, the greater your chances of winning.
But still, you need luck so that the results you predict can still happen because we have seen some matches can turn around beyond our predictions.
Maybe sports betting is a bet that is not based on luck alone but an analysis factor is also needed to be able to choose the right team.

I like to talk about horse racing its one of the hardest games to predict because of the many factors involved like handicapping, breed, condition of the horse before running, and who is riding the horse, it takes years of analysis and inside info, before you can accurately predict the winning horses or combination of horses that will win in a particular race, but it's worth it once you dig deep on these horses luck is just secondary and most of the times you can accurately predict.

If that's what you're asking then also the same thing with poker and sportsbetting. They don't really mostly rely on luck at all and there's really a big difference between those casino games and skill-based games.
What's good with sports betting is that you bet only with a few choices but depending on the game, they can put several options for you to bet with which will require you still with some guessing.

if you are looking for a sportsbook, the casino you are advertising is offering sports betting. though I agree that sports betting is not based on luck, you'd still need it since all you can do despite all the information you have is make an educated guess on what the outcome of the game will be.

Yes.. I totally agree with this very statement of yours, because in as much as personal skill and experience is a prime factor to winning a soccer or horse game, the presence of luck can't be overemphasized, as it also plays an important role. Moreover, at times you could be the best horse racer in the world, but if you are unlucky to pick an unhealthy horse during a race, irrespective of your skill you wont be able to win such match, and likewise will a good foot all club not able to perform very well without a favorable weather condition during a football match.

So both luck and skill is important

The last time i bet in horses it was virtual horses in Betnomi, they have soccer betting too, and if i'm not wrong, i think stake and roobet have them too.

As you mention those sports are about skills, but soccer is more than that, the good team work is a must to be success, and if a player is on any of those popular teams is because he is really good. I mean all the pleyers on the match have good skills, so, luck still an important fact for the win.

In the world of sport and converted in gambling then for sure it will make some good skills in order to win and if you have enough good skill than your opponent then probably you have the chance of winning and this must be the reason why in sport I'll choose the stronger team because we all know that stronger the teaam I bet for then It has a big chance of winning in the end of the game because of their skills .

Do you mean casinos with soccer and horse racing on their platform, there are so many casinos that have these sporting events check the casinos that have these two sports events I am not fond of sporting events but these are two popular sporting events so you just have to look or sign up on popular casinos which included these sports and you'll find them but why only soccer and horse racing are you a bettor of these events.

Sport betting in general requires analytical skill nothing else, you can't win a bet in a soccer if you're a good soccer all you need to be a person who analyse about which team has better chance of winning but the results are completely not in your hand so all you can do is hope for what you predicted will happen.

In casino games skills too needed for example poker, if you play blatantly you will be rekt much sooner.

what do you usually do when betting on horse racing or sports betting? maybe as you mean regarding soccer betting. analysis of the two teams? meeting statistics? several injured players? home and away factor? Maybe that's all you can do before you start betting. but we can't completely succeed in getting a win, even when the favorite team is against a team that is in the relegation zone.
for example, the game Cremonese vs Milan a few days ago. Milan ranked 2nd at that time and Cremonese ranked 18th in the standings, the match was dominated by Milan, but they could not score a goal. the match ended in a draw. How many gamblers think the game will end in a draw?
I still think that all gambling games require luck. although still skills are needed. like in a card game.

Winning in those are still based on probablility, as by insight and knowledge or a good math head you can make odds work for you. But even if there's a lower probability to lose, that probability is called luck by some people.

So no pure luck, but it's still luck. Compared to casino where you don't have real control, in real world sports or poker, you can control your changes by adjusting probabilities via your skills and knowledge.

Actually, both of the games you've mentioned are considered gambling games that depend on luck however, you can narrow it down depending on how you analyze the players. But if you and your teammates are the ones who are playing the game, it will be considered a skill-based game since the outcome depends on how you play the game.

This can also be applied to all sports betting, if you're a player, it's a skill-based game but if you're a just a gambler, then it's a luck-based game as you don't have anything to change the outcome of the game.

Soccer games and horse race gambling is not luck based nor skill based. As I understood it, both of them could have a mixture of luck and skill while slots are purely based on luck, and games like poker which requires skill and strategy. So if you are looking for games which are skill based and not on luck, you should try considering this type of game.

I don't think that the games you mentioned are not based on luck. In my opinion, I think it is both which requires skills and luck. Using your skills to possibly identify the winner but still the result of the game may be different than the one you came up with. Let's just say, I gather information about team A and team b which team b is most likely to win according to the data I have but after the match is finish, ehe results is opposite which team A won. I would say that you also need luck in these kind of games though casino games are somewhat more base on luck since you can make an analysis but still when you bet the result is not what you have expected.

I don't bet on horse racing, but it seems interesting to some people who like it. I tend to like slots or maybe sports betting even though both of these bets have their advantages and disadvantages. Soccer betting is interesting because I love football, but slots are also great for filling my spare time.

Slots don't require skill, that's true, but soccer betting would be very different because I would have a hard time picking a good team if it wasn't my team or some of the top teams in some leagues. But both are good for fun though not everyone agrees.

I believe that you are looking for a sports betting platform (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5319239.0) because they can cover these two games you are looking for.

Soccer is more based on skills because you can analyse the team that are playing and also other circumstances like if they are playing on their home town or not because this can also affect the performance of the players while for the horse racing game, I think it will be hard to analyse this one so maybe there is a luck element involved in it but we can try to look for the past statistics of the horse involved. We can go on the horse which has a more winning record and maybe they will win again on their next upcoming games.

Yeah, there are alot of sports casinos and it contains all this genres as you mentioned above.
Yeah, I don't think SPORTS are based on luck because you'll have to gather up different match statistics -- of the two teams in question, of a different team that each of this competitions have faced, of their head to head, of their positions on the table; with these, one who's deeply consistent in the round-leather game would bet upon a good experience. Except if they'd have to compare VIRTUALS CASINOS; then it'll need a bit of luck as the game's is logically programed. It can give a turn for some sudden winning but would change afterwards to magnanimous claims.

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Does horse racing require skill from the person who's betting? Does football? You really chose a strange example!

When it comes to gambling the most skill based game is poker but other card games also require some skill. Sports betting is best if you have some knowledge but knowledge is not skill.
Luck based games are those where you just press the button like slots. Roulette also has some skill involved because the best players don't only bet on red or black but also clusters of numbers. I think that you can beat red/black by knowing how to bet with clusters.

The OP is certainly wrong in choosing an example of a gambling game that requires skill.
About games that require poker game skills or card games to become games that make us think about choosing the right card when playing, requires skill or knowledge of players in processing the cards obtained. I don't even really understand card games. I tend to prefer slot games because they don't need to think about anything. but the risk will remain the same, you can lose anything if you don't have a strategy and self-control in managing finances.

Winning is based on skills when it is you that controls that game. Video game gambling where you have the sole responsibility of controlling the game demands skills to win. But when it is based of probabilities and predictions it depends on both skills and luck. I have seen people that see gambling as their full-time job and they are surviving on it. They have become skillful in the act of prediction due to experience and knowledge but sometimes these predictions are wrong making them lose sometimes. Hence, skills and luck are very important in gambling.

In my opinion I think that all gambling games are firstly need luck and then some of them also require skills. Because I thing that, tricks and also skill about sport knowledge is use for those kinds of gambling platform. But always keep in mind that it's not that kind of easy that gambling is depend only skill. without luck there is no chance to win in any gambling  site .

OMG man, It's like you're trying to say something but don't know what, so you say a bunch of words and hope that they'll look like a meaningful sentence. Keep it going and somebody might say that you're a shitposter ;)


Here you go OP, here's a list of sites where you can bet on horse racing with crypto. Have a blast.
https://www.cryptonewsz.com/gambling/betting/horse-racing/

Side note, it took me 10s to research. Next time don't make a thread about something like that. It's a waste of space.

Skill is to raise your luck chance.

If you know what the bet you're doing, then you have a high chance luck. Example like "Blackjack" with card counting and other sport-bet, that's why on Blackjack casino can back you off or sportsbook limited your gambling bet size.

Any game with the player who have some skilled analysis, is always being limited by casino.

Do you mean betting? Bet on a soccer match or bet on a horse race?
No one stated that betting is a purely luck-based game, dude.
Betting requires certain skills or the ability to analyze the game, you can't bet if you have no idea about the game.
Even if the luck factor is also a part of betting, we can't classify betting as a luck-based game since the result is determined by our analysis too.

By the way, I believe most gambling sites have betting, it is one of the favorite games.
Check this for an example https://freebitco.in/site/online-betting/.  ;)

*Read this article to know the difference between luck-based games and skill-based games: https://coinclarity.com/luck-vs-skill-based-games-crypto-casinos/

Gambling is based on the skill and more comparative then a luck.When the money involved with a game, it obviously need of luck.Many people lost their funds, by playing the game with blind luck.So gambling is based on the luck and skill.Both is essential one for the good wins from the gambling.At the very first you need to learn the game.Without playing the game, you can't learn the game.The game like dice is random through, but if you keep on playing the dice.You can form the pattern from it.After finding the pattern of the dice game,you can play many games.This is to find the technique is working or not.If the game follow the pattern,you can make use of that technique in many games.

Well said, even when you're highly skilled to make a prediction it doesn't bring win. The prediction wins only if you've got luck. Just an example, lets take cricket. Even the experts believed India to win the Match against England in the semifinals. 70% of the people and cricket followers believed, but the reality is completely different. This is how things happen with horse racing and soccer.

If you doesn't have luck then you're gonna loss the bet. If doesn't matter how good is your prediction and how precise you've analysed collecting more information about the players as well as the team's past performance. Both luck and skills is must in sports betting.

Sports betting are not a game of luck, it will be based on your analysis and there’s a lot of site offer this kind of services.

Though when it comes to gambling games that operates by an automatic system, that machine are more about your luck but it is still fun to play. Having a good skills to analyze where to bet and even on a card get can increase your chance of winning, luck may also be there with you at is still plays an important role with your sports betting.

I think that poker can be considered a gambling game that requires skill above all else. This is true if one player with a high level of play is playing against beginners or intermediate players. But what if only highly skilled players play poker? Then whoever is the luckiest will win the game.

I can agree that with poker game, you need to have skills and this one doesn't rely purely on luck.
You have a point, if you are playing with highly skilled players like in tournaments, then, you need your luck in this case. :)
Also, sportsbetting for me, requires knowledge to increase your chances of winning. The more you are familiar with the sports, the better for your odds.
Soccer or horse racing, you can easily check it on any sportsbooks. The OP can start checking the sportsbooks page of the known gambling sites in the forum.

Sport betting is in fact one of the gambling games in which your skill counts, and if you are good at it you could even produce profits, there are many casinos which offer it and which are reliable so you only need to look at the gambling section of the forum to find good casinos which can offer the service that you want, however make no mistake, even sport bets are highly dependent on luck and even if you have a good system you can still lose money if you are not careful.

It's generally known to most gamblers, so I guess it's no longer really important to get much discussion.

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OP, it would be better for you to lock this thread instead of opening it without good moderation. I've tried reporting it for locking in case you probably don't, I hope this will give you a little more time to start the thread with more quality content.